Man, I find it to be sickening that a woman can simply drop her card
off at her local Nazis' satellite, and she immediately gains the same
status and royal regard normally granted to missing kids.

I'd like to see that same protective concern on display for drug users
and the guys caught in domestic violence, who are also high risk.
Then, maybe my friend, Tom Smith, wouldn't be living on the streets,
and getting treated like scum where ever he goes.

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2005/01/20/edmonton-missing050120

Edmonton police add another name to missing women list
Last Updated Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:39:03

EDMONTON - A 27-year-old woman who worked as a prostitute has been
added to the Edmonton RCMP's list of missing or murdered women, after
having not been seen for eight months.

Corrie Ottenbreit (File photo)

INDEPTH: Edmonton's murdered women

Cpl. Wayne Oakes says Corrie Ottenbreit hasn't been in contact with
friends or relatives since May 9, 2004, when she disappeared off
Edmonton streets. She may have been wearing a black leather jacket and
jeans.

While there is no evidence of foul play, Oakes says the fact that she's
been out of contact so long means they have to consider the
possibility.

"We are still hopeful that Miss Ottenbreit has simply made a change in
her lifestyle, and after seeing this in the media will reach out and
pick up the phone and call investigators," Oakes said.

"But we have to face reality and observe the fact that there was need
to pursue other avenues of investigation along with this."

Shortly before she disappeared, Ottenbreit gave police her photo and
contact information, in case anything happened to her.

Ottenbreit becomes the 84th woman on the RCMP's list of woman who live
high-risk lifestyles who have gone missing or been found murdered over
the past 20 years.

The cases are being investigated by the RCMP's Project KARE task force.

Ottenbreit was last seen a month before prostitute Rachel Quinney
disappeared from downtown Edmonton. Her body was found in a wooded area
east of Sherwood Park on June 11, five days after she was last seen.

Quinney, who had worked in Edmonton's trade for at least three
years, was the sixth prostitute to be found dead on the city's
outskirts in the last two years.

Written by CBC News Online staff

- - -

The face of an angel, the charm of the devil ...the power of a god:

Turin

I have such sites to show you...
------------------------
http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Men_First/
------------------------

"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
burn in hell forever and ever...."

-----

From:	stormy_shells at yahoo.com
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	23 Jan 2005 02:09:00 -0800

Turin wrote:
> Stormy wrote:
> > Turin wrote:
> > > Man, I find it to be sickening that a woman can simply drop her
> card
> > > off at her local Nazis' satellite, and she immediately gains the
> same
> > > status and royal regard normally granted to missing kids.
> > >
> > > I'd like to see that same protective concern on display for drug
> > users
> > > and the guys caught in domestic violence, who are also high risk.
> > > Then, maybe my friend, Tom Smith, wouldn't be living on the
> streets,
> > > and getting treated like scum where ever he goes.
> > >
> >
> > Who would you say gets more vindication? The whore out on the
street
> or
> > suzy homemaker the crybaby who justly gets a black eye for having a
> > backdoor man? Pretty obvious I think.
>
>
> Oh, the crybaby. No doubt. The more valid the Man's reason is, the
> more they turn the woman into a martyr.
>
>
> > If men were smart they would
> > start kicking these miss muffetts out into the workforce where they
> can
> > cheat on their lunch hours all they like.
>
>
> I agree. Men can't keep letting a vocal minority of women like Jayne
> and Heidi - along with their subservient male counterparts, like
> Society and Greg - keep dictating an arbitrary set of off-the-book
> rules to them to live their lives by.
>

Queen bees, yecch! They want everyone to believe that they're gentle
little souls. It just so happens they can set the family's teeth on
edge. LOL! You know, there are the guys who know and the guys who
don't. You're one of those who do. You can always tell the ones who do
because they're more independent. More hmm.. y. Less domesticated.
They don't cut the mom figures any slack, 'cause they're not fooled by
the token effort. Who wants to sleep with their mom! Sick!! Today's
woman wants a man who stands up for himself without the domesticity.
It's a trap for both. In your debate with Jayne you did a nice job
exposing her hypocrisy on religion and women's rights. The guys like
society, Greg, connor and the rest are just lying to themselves.

> These behind-the-times weirdos always employ the same old strategy:
to
> play progressive one moment, and to run behind the shield of
tradition
> the next - when they get into trouble.
>

They do it to women too Turin. One week the bimbo who slept her way up
is marching around in everyone's face pretending to be busy in a tight
shirt that shows off her new tits, an' the next a young thing gets
hired that she can't compete with. Suddenly there are new memos about
dress codes being posted. Now the young girl has to retire her
uality while in her prime while the f*c*k'n wh*r* who SUCKED COCK
(sorry ..couldn't help myself :) has been squeezing every last drop she
can out of her tired old girls.

>
> Uh-uh. It doesn't work that way. We have modern laws now. The
> individual Man is under no obligation to upkeep a lazy housewife who
he
> can't order around, who doesn't have to have with him, and who he
> can't hit. It's simply a question of fighting to get them enforced
so
> that the freeloader is forced to reestablish the connect between
rights
> and responsibilities.
>

As a woman I don't want to be hit. OTOH I don't think it's
unconditional. It's not fair to a man to be expected to play an
outdated role with no enforceable authority where the freeloading
housewife with rights can run rings around anything he can do and
ballbust him into an early death. I simply wouldn't marry some simple
slob who wanted a mindless daily existence.

> If a Man is married and supporting a Miss Muffett, and she says to
him,
> "Not tonight, I have a headache", then Men have to get to the point
> where they reply, "Well, then. Sleep in somebody else's house
tonight,
> too." ...and then throw her off his property.
>

LOL. She better not come over here for sympathy! The next thing you
know she'd be recruiting me into her household dramas an' trying to pit
me against my own husband and kids. Her type has nothing else to make
her happy. I pity the men who take the route of trying to live with
these lazy homewreckers instead of shoving them into the welfare lines
where they belong.

Stormy.

>
> > I have no sympathy for the martha stewart who gets beat up by her
> > husband. Prostitutes do more to earn their own ways than do
> freeloading
> > housewives, an' they're tougher about little knocks.
>
>
> I agree. Politics is the problem. As long these phony baloney
> atheistic moderates can successfully hijack the system, then they can
> also keep getting away with using wishy-washy inconsistent moralizing
> stances to attack alternate lifestyles.
>
> Kind of like Cheney and his lesbian daughter. These people are
> ridiculous. If you're not 100% dogmatic about something then you
have
> no right to dictate it to others. ......That's what Jesus taught.
>
>
>
>
> - - -
>
> This has been another enlightening moment, with:
>
> Turin
>
>
> I have such sites to show you...
> ------------------------
> http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Men_First/
> ------------------------
>
> "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
> maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
> burn in hell forever and ever...."
>
> -----
>
>
> > > http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2005/01/20/edmonton-missing050120
> > >
> > >
> > > Edmonton police add another name to missing women list
> > > Last Updated Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:39:03
> > >
> > > EDMONTON - A 27-year-old woman who worked as a prostitute has
been
> > > added to the Edmonton RCMP's list of missing or murdered women,
> after
> > > having not been seen for eight months.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Corrie Ottenbreit (File photo)
> > >
> > > INDEPTH: Edmonton's murdered women
> > >
> > > Cpl. Wayne Oakes says Corrie Ottenbreit hasn't been in contact
with
> > > friends or relatives since May 9, 2004, when she disappeared off
> > > Edmonton streets. She may have been wearing a black leather
jacket
> > and
> > > jeans.
> > >
> > > While there is no evidence of foul play, Oakes says the fact that
> > she's
> > > been out of contact so long means they have to consider the
> > > possibility.
> > >
> > > "We are still hopeful that Miss Ottenbreit has simply made a
change
> > in
> > > her lifestyle, and after seeing this in the media will reach out
> and
> > > pick up the phone and call investigators," Oakes said.
> > >
> > > "But we have to face reality and observe the fact that there was
> need
> > > to pursue other avenues of investigation along with this."
> > >
> > > Shortly before she disappeared, Ottenbreit gave police her photo
> and
> > > contact information, in case anything happened to her.
> > >
> > > Ottenbreit becomes the 84th woman on the RCMP's list of woman who
> > live
> > > high-risk lifestyles who have gone missing or been found murdered
> > over
> > > the past 20 years.
> > >
> > > The cases are being investigated by the RCMP's Project KARE task
> > force.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ottenbreit was last seen a month before prostitute Rachel Quinney
> > > disappeared from downtown Edmonton. Her body was found in a
wooded
> > area
> > > east of Sherwood Park on June 11, five days after she was last
> seen.
> > >
> > > Quinney, who had worked in Edmonton's trade for at least
three
> > > years, was the sixth prostitute to be found dead on the city's
> > > outskirts in the last two years.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Written by CBC News Online staff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - - -
> > >
> > > The face of an angel, the charm of the devil ...the power of a
god:
> > >
> > > Turin
> > >
> > >
> > > I have such sites to show you...
> > > ------------------------
> > > http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Men_First/
> > > ------------------------
> > >
> > > "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with,
deleteth,
> or
> > > maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known
> shall
> > > burn in hell forever and ever...."
> > >
> > > -----

From:	lukne
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	23 Jan 2005 01:48:54 -0800

Turin wrote:
> Stormy wrote:
> > Turin wrote:
> > > Man, I find it to be sickening that a woman can simply drop her
> card
> > > off at her local Nazis' satellite, and she immediately gains the
> same
> > > status and royal regard normally granted to missing kids.
> > >
> > > I'd like to see that same protective concern on display for drug
> > users
> > > and the guys caught in domestic violence, who are also high risk.
> > > Then, maybe my friend, Tom Smith, wouldn't be living on the
> streets,
> > > and getting treated like scum where ever he goes.
> > >
> >
> > Who would you say gets more vindication? The whore out on the
street
> or
> > suzy homemaker the crybaby who justly gets a black eye for having a
> > backdoor man? Pretty obvious I think.
>
>
> Oh, the crybaby. No doubt. The more valid the Man's reason is, the
> more they turn the woman into a martyr.
>
>
> > If men were smart they would
> > start kicking these miss muffetts out into the workforce where they
> can
> > cheat on their lunch hours all they like.
>
>
> I agree.
Okay, then who will raise the children? Will you require both parents
to work while their little ones are in daycare 8 to 9 hours a week?

> Men can't keep letting a vocal minority of women like Jayne
> and Heidi - along with their subservient male counterparts, like
> Society and Greg - keep dictating an arbitrary set of off-the-book
> rules to them to live their lives by.
How is a law of nonviolence arbitrary?

> These behind-the-times weirdos always employ the same old strategy:
to
> play progressive one moment, and to run behind the shield of
tradition
> the next - when they get into trouble.
Staying at home to raise children isn't progressive or traditional --
it's a choice.
>
> Uh-uh. It doesn't work that way. We have modern laws now. The
> individual Man is under no obligation to upkeep a lazy housewife who
he
> can't order around, who doesn't have to have with him, and who he
> can't hit. It's simply a question of fighting to get them enforced
so
> that the freeloader is forced to reestablish the connect between
rights
> and responsibilities.
So, Turin, if a woman stays home to raise young children, then you deem
her a lazy housewife who is required to provide on demand and be
physically punished for any transgression. And raising small children
(before they become school age) is not work, because the mother is not
paid? Yah right. BTW, raising kids is the biggest responsibility that
anyone can undertake, male or female.
>
> If a Man is married and supporting a Miss Muffett, and she says to
him,
> "Not tonight, I have a headache", then Men have to get to the point
> where they reply, "Well, then. Sleep in somebody else's house
tonight,
> too." ...and then throw her off his property.
Most couples co-own their properties. But if the husband does throw
his wife out of the house for not providing on demand, then who
will look after the teething baby and rebellious todder?

> > I have no sympathy for the martha stewart who gets beat up by her
> > husband. Prostitutes do more to earn their own ways than do
> freeloading
> > housewives, an' they're tougher about little knocks.
>
>
> I agree. Politics is the problem. As long these phony baloney
> atheistic moderates can successfully hijack the system, then they can
> also keep getting away with using wishy-washy inconsistent moralizing
> stances to attack alternate lifestyles.
What do you consider "alternate" lifestyles? I'd love to know.
>
> Kind of like Cheney and his lesbian daughter. These people are
> ridiculous. If you're not 100% dogmatic about something then you
have
> no right to dictate it to others.
Hey at least their lesbian daughter isn't some lazy housewife who
denies her husband , and lives off his income while she's at home
watching Oprah! Right Turin?

.......That's what Jesus taught.
If Jesus could see how you distort his words for your own twisted
self-serving purposes, he'd never stop throwing-up.

>
>
>
>
> - - -
>
> This has been another enlightening moment, with:
>
> Turin
>
>
> I have such sites to show you...
> ------------------------
> http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Men_First/
> ------------------------
>
> "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
> maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
> burn in hell forever and ever...."
>
> -----
>
>
> > > http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2005/01/20/edmonton-missing050120
> > >
> > >
> > > Edmonton police add another name to missing women list
> > > Last Updated Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:39:03
> > >
> > > EDMONTON - A 27-year-old woman who worked as a prostitute has
been
> > > added to the Edmonton RCMP's list of missing or murdered women,
> after
> > > having not been seen for eight months.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Corrie Ottenbreit (File photo)
> > >
> > > INDEPTH: Edmonton's murdered women
> > >
> > > Cpl. Wayne Oakes says Corrie Ottenbreit hasn't been in contact
with
> > > friends or relatives since May 9, 2004, when she disappeared off
> > > Edmonton streets. She may have been wearing a black leather
jacket
> > and
> > > jeans.
> > >
> > > While there is no evidence of foul play, Oakes says the fact that
> > she's
> > > been out of contact so long means they have to consider the
> > > possibility.
> > >
> > > "We are still hopeful that Miss Ottenbreit has simply made a
change
> > in
> > > her lifestyle, and after seeing this in the media will reach out
> and
> > > pick up the phone and call investigators," Oakes said.
> > >
> > > "But we have to face reality and observe the fact that there was
> need
> > > to pursue other avenues of investigation along with this."
> > >
> > > Shortly before she disappeared, Ottenbreit gave police her photo
> and
> > > contact information, in case anything happened to her.
> > >
> > > Ottenbreit becomes the 84th woman on the RCMP's list of woman who
> > live
> > > high-risk lifestyles who have gone missing or been found murdered
> > over
> > > the past 20 years.
> > >
> > > The cases are being investigated by the RCMP's Project KARE task
> > force.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ottenbreit was last seen a month before prostitute Rachel Quinney
> > > disappeared from downtown Edmonton. Her body was found in a
wooded
> > area
> > > east of Sherwood Park on June 11, five days after she was last
> seen.
> > >
> > > Quinney, who had worked in Edmonton's trade for at least
three
> > > years, was the sixth prostitute to be found dead on the city's
> > > outskirts in the last two years.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Written by CBC News Online staff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - - -
> > >
> > > The face of an angel, the charm of the devil ...the power of a
god:
> > >
> > > Turin
> > >
> > >
> > > I have such sites to show you...
> > > ------------------------
> > > http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Men_First/
> > > ------------------------
> > >
> > > "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with,
deleteth,
> or
> > > maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known
> shall
> > > burn in hell forever and ever...."
> > >
> > > -----

From:	Heidi Graw
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:47:31 GMT

>"lukne" wrote in message
>news:1106464468.620138.180310@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

>laurann wrote:
> Staying at home to raise children isn't progressive or traditional --
> it's a choice.

Exactly. And whenever at least one parent can stay home, especially while
the children are still very young, they tend to grow into more secure and
confident adults. Much also depends on the parenting the child
receives...some really would do much better had they been in daycare rather
than sitting in front of the tv all day.

I spent much of my time with the children playing outside, going for walks
and taking them those parent participation early childhood education
programs. I never had time to watch any soap operas! ;-)

I also kept an *open house* for any neighbourhood children to come and play
with my kids. It was not unusual for me to have a small herd of 7 to 12
year olds playing with my 2 and 3 year olds. I found too many "latchkey"
kids whose parents weren't at home when their children finished with school.
So, for the price of juice and cookies, I had playmates for my children.
;-)

I think the best advice I ever got about parenting came from my
sister-in-law. Her two boys were already about 5 and 7 years old when hubby
and I got married. When we were talking about wanting to have children of
our own, she told me, "It's about building memories." And how true! That
comment was all I needed to ensure that we always bore in mind what sort of
memories we wanted our children to have. We wanted them to have happy
memories....and boy...over the years we loaded them up with all sorts of
interesting and happy memories. ;-)

Heidi

From:	Stormy
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	21 Jan 2005 21:47:03 -0800

Turin wrote:
> Man, I find it to be sickening that a woman can simply drop her card
> off at her local Nazis' satellite, and she immediately gains the same
> status and royal regard normally granted to missing kids.
>
> I'd like to see that same protective concern on display for drug
users
> and the guys caught in domestic violence, who are also high risk.
> Then, maybe my friend, Tom Smith, wouldn't be living on the streets,
> and getting treated like scum where ever he goes.
>

Who would you say gets more vindication? The whore out on the street or
suzy homemaker the crybaby who justly gets a black eye for having a
backdoor man? Pretty obvious I think. If men were smart they would
start kicking these miss muffetts out into the workforce where they can
cheat on their lunch hours all they like.

I have no sympathy for the martha stewart who gets beat up by her
husband. Prostitutes do more to earn their own ways than do freeloading
housewives, an' they're tougher about little knocks.

>
>
>
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2005/01/20/edmonton-missing050120
>
>
> Edmonton police add another name to missing women list
> Last Updated Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:39:03
>
> EDMONTON - A 27-year-old woman who worked as a prostitute has been
> added to the Edmonton RCMP's list of missing or murdered women, after
> having not been seen for eight months.
>
>
>
> Corrie Ottenbreit (File photo)
>
> INDEPTH: Edmonton's murdered women
>
> Cpl. Wayne Oakes says Corrie Ottenbreit hasn't been in contact with
> friends or relatives since May 9, 2004, when she disappeared off
> Edmonton streets. She may have been wearing a black leather jacket
and
> jeans.
>
> While there is no evidence of foul play, Oakes says the fact that
she's
> been out of contact so long means they have to consider the
> possibility.
>
> "We are still hopeful that Miss Ottenbreit has simply made a change
in
> her lifestyle, and after seeing this in the media will reach out and
> pick up the phone and call investigators," Oakes said.
>
> "But we have to face reality and observe the fact that there was need
> to pursue other avenues of investigation along with this."
>
> Shortly before she disappeared, Ottenbreit gave police her photo and
> contact information, in case anything happened to her.
>
> Ottenbreit becomes the 84th woman on the RCMP's list of woman who
live
> high-risk lifestyles who have gone missing or been found murdered
over
> the past 20 years.
>
> The cases are being investigated by the RCMP's Project KARE task
force.
>
>
> Ottenbreit was last seen a month before prostitute Rachel Quinney
> disappeared from downtown Edmonton. Her body was found in a wooded
area
> east of Sherwood Park on June 11, five days after she was last seen.
>
> Quinney, who had worked in Edmonton's trade for at least three
> years, was the sixth prostitute to be found dead on the city's
> outskirts in the last two years.
>
>
>
> Written by CBC News Online staff
>
>
>
>
> - - -
>
> The face of an angel, the charm of the devil ...the power of a god:
>
> Turin
>
>
> I have such sites to show you...
> ------------------------
> http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Men_First/
> ------------------------
>
> "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
> maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
> burn in hell forever and ever...."
>
> -----

From:	stormy_shells at yahoo.com
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	23 Jan 2005 00:56:51 -0800

From:	spooge
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	23 Jan 2005 04:47:12 GMT

"Turin" wrote in
news:1106279305.209757.30960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

> I'd like to see that same protective concern on display for drug users
> and the guys caught in domestic violence, who are also high risk.
> Then, maybe my friend, Tom Smith, wouldn't be living on the streets,
> and getting treated like scum where ever he goes.

Your friend Tom Smith gets treated like scum because he's a druggie wife-
beater.

In other words, he's scum.

--
Two essential soc.men FAQs:
http://www.insurgent.org/~alcatroll/Soc.men/faq.html
http://www.insurgent.org/~alcatroll/Soc.men/altfaq.html
"Women. What could you say? Who made 'em? God must've
been a fucking genius."

From:	Stormy
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	23 Jan 2005 01:36:48 -0800

From:	Stormy
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	23 Jan 2005 01:49:41 -0800

From:	lukne
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	23 Jan 2005 19:19:23 -0800

Jayne Kulikauskas wrote:
> "Turin" wrote in message
> news:1106432492.560226.115510@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> []
> > If a Man is married and supporting a Miss Muffett, and she says to
him,
> > "Not tonight, I have a headache", then Men have to get to the point
> > where they reply, "Well, then. Sleep in somebody else's house
tonight,
> > too." ...and then throw her off his property.
>
> I never refuse to my husband. I agree with you that I am obliged
to be
> available when he wants.
>
> Jayne

Even if you're not feeling well? Busy taking care of the kids? Even on
those rare occasions you want just a few minutes to be alone? What
about your husband: Is he allowed to refuse your advances?

From:	Heidi Graw
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:53:44 GMT

>"lukne" wrote in message
>news:1106536763.305229.29960@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Jayne Kulikauskas wrote:
>> I never refuse to my husband. I agree with you that I am obliged
>> to be available when he wants.

>laurann wrote:
> Even if you're not feeling well? Busy taking care of the kids? Even on
> those rare occasions you want just a few minutes to be alone? What
> about your husband: Is he allowed to refuse your advances?

Jayne doesn't make any advances on her husband. She likes the "dominant"
types. Her service contract has him as her client to whom she submits, obeys
and remains responsive to his ual advances. And since he provides her
with a roof over her head and money in her pockets, she is obligated to
service him when and if he needs it and demands it. I also doubt her client
would want when she's sniffling and sneezing with a cold. He may not
want to catch her germs during such times. We also don't know if he'll
leave her alone when she's on the rag. Some guys like wallowing around in
blood ... they think it's kinky and even more erotic. In any case, for
Jayne, is not something that is done voluntarily. Once she signed that
life-time service contract she became duty-bound to her client, aka, her
husband. She gets paid for the she provides. Not a bad deal..either,
if you're into whoring. Private whoring is also not a moral sin. Her
Church sanctioned her service contract.

Heidi

From:	lukne
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	23 Jan 2005 01:53:52 -0800

Turin wrote:
> Stormy wrote:
> > Turin wrote:
> > > Man, I find it to be sickening that a woman can simply drop her
> card
> > > off at her local Nazis' satellite, and she immediately gains the
> same
> > > status and royal regard normally granted to missing kids.
> > >
> > > I'd like to see that same protective concern on display for drug
> > users
> > > and the guys caught in domestic violence, who are also high risk.
> > > Then, maybe my friend, Tom Smith, wouldn't be living on the
> streets,
> > > and getting treated like scum where ever he goes.
> > >
> >
> > Who would you say gets more vindication? The whore out on the
street
> or
> > suzy homemaker the crybaby who justly gets a black eye for having a
> > backdoor man? Pretty obvious I think.
>
>
> Oh, the crybaby. No doubt. The more valid the Man's reason is, the
> more they turn the woman into a martyr.
>
>
> > If men were smart they would
> > start kicking these miss muffetts out into the workforce where they
> can
> > cheat on their lunch hours all they like.
>
>
> I agree.
Okay, then who will raise the children? Will you require both parents
to work while their little ones are in daycare 8 to 9 hours a week?

> Men can't keep letting a vocal minority of women like Jayne
> and Heidi - along with their subservient male counterparts, like
> Society and Greg - keep dictating an arbitrary set of off-the-book
> rules to them to live their lives by.
How is a law of nonviolence arbitrary?

> These behind-the-times weirdos always employ the same old strategy:
to
> play progressive one moment, and to run behind the shield of
tradition
> the next - when they get into trouble.
Staying at home to raise children isn't progressive or traditional --
it's a choice.
>
> Uh-uh. It doesn't work that way. We have modern laws now. The
> individual Man is under no obligation to upkeep a lazy housewife who
he
> can't order around, who doesn't have to have with him, and who he
> can't hit. It's simply a question of fighting to get them enforced
so
> that the freeloader is forced to reestablish the connect between
rights
> and responsibilities.
So, Turin, if a woman stays home to raise young children, then you deem
her a lazy housewife who is required to provide on demand and be
physically punished for any transgression. And raising small children
(before they become school age) is not work, because the mother is not
paid? Yah right. BTW, raising kids is the biggest responsibility that
anyone can undertake, male or female.
>
> If a Man is married and supporting a Miss Muffett, and she says to
him,
> "Not tonight, I have a headache", then Men have to get to the point
> where they reply, "Well, then. Sleep in somebody else's house
tonight,
> too." ...and then throw her off his property.
Most couples co-own their properties. But if the husband does throw
his wife out of the house for not providing on demand, then who
will look after the teething baby and rebellious todder?

> > I have no sympathy for the martha stewart who gets beat up by her
> > husband. Prostitutes do more to earn their own ways than do
> freeloading
> > housewives, an' they're tougher about little knocks.
>
>
> I agree. Politics is the problem. As long these phony baloney
> atheistic moderates can successfully hijack the system, then they can
> also keep getting away with using wishy-washy inconsistent moralizing
> stances to attack alternate lifestyles.
What do you consider "alternate" lifestyles? I'd love to know.
>
> Kind of like Cheney and his lesbian daughter. These people are
> ridiculous. If you're not 100% dogmatic about something then you
have
> no right to dictate it to others.
Hey at least their lesbian daughter isn't some lazy housewife who
denies her husband , and lives off his income while she's at home
watching Oprah! Right Turin?

.......That's what Jesus taught.
If Jesus could see how you distort his words for your own twisted
self-serving purposes, he'd never stop throwing-up.

>
>
>
>
> - - -
>
> This has been another enlightening moment, with:
>
> Turin
>
>
> I have such sites to show you...
> ------------------------
> http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Men_First/
> ------------------------
>
> "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
> maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
> burn in hell forever and ever...."
>
> -----
>
>
> > > http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2005/01/20/edmonton-missing050120
> > >
> > >
> > > Edmonton police add another name to missing women list
> > > Last Updated Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:39:03
> > >
> > > EDMONTON - A 27-year-old woman who worked as a prostitute has
been
> > > added to the Edmonton RCMP's list of missing or murdered women,
> after
> > > having not been seen for eight months.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Corrie Ottenbreit (File photo)
> > >
> > > INDEPTH: Edmonton's murdered women
> > >
> > > Cpl. Wayne Oakes says Corrie Ottenbreit hasn't been in contact
with
> > > friends or relatives since May 9, 2004, when she disappeared off
> > > Edmonton streets. She may have been wearing a black leather
jacket
> > and
> > > jeans.
> > >
> > > While there is no evidence of foul play, Oakes says the fact that
> > she's
> > > been out of contact so long means they have to consider the
> > > possibility.
> > >
> > > "We are still hopeful that Miss Ottenbreit has simply made a
change
> > in
> > > her lifestyle, and after seeing this in the media will reach out
> and
> > > pick up the phone and call investigators," Oakes said.
> > >
> > > "But we have to face reality and observe the fact that there was
> need
> > > to pursue other avenues of investigation along with this."
> > >
> > > Shortly before she disappeared, Ottenbreit gave police her photo
> and
> > > contact information, in case anything happened to her.
> > >
> > > Ottenbreit becomes the 84th woman on the RCMP's list of woman who
> > live
> > > high-risk lifestyles who have gone missing or been found murdered
> > over
> > > the past 20 years.
> > >
> > > The cases are being investigated by the RCMP's Project KARE task
> > force.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ottenbreit was last seen a month before prostitute Rachel Quinney
> > > disappeared from downtown Edmonton. Her body was found in a
wooded
> > area
> > > east of Sherwood Park on June 11, five days after she was last
> seen.
> > >
> > > Quinney, who had worked in Edmonton's trade for at least
three
> > > years, was the sixth prostitute to be found dead on the city's
> > > outskirts in the last two years.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Written by CBC News Online staff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - - -
> > >
> > > The face of an angel, the charm of the devil ...the power of a
god:
> > >
> > > Turin
> > >
> > >
> > > I have such sites to show you...
> > > ------------------------
> > > http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Men_First/
> > > ------------------------
> > >
> > > "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with,
deleteth,
> or
> > > maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known
> shall
> > > burn in hell forever and ever...."
> > >
> > > -----

From:	lukne
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	23 Jan 2005 01:47:53 -0800

Turin wrote:
> Stormy wrote:
> > Turin wrote:
> > > Man, I find it to be sickening that a woman can simply drop her
> card
> > > off at her local Nazis' satellite, and she immediately gains the
> same
> > > status and royal regard normally granted to missing kids.
> > >
> > > I'd like to see that same protective concern on display for drug
> > users
> > > and the guys caught in domestic violence, who are also high risk.
> > > Then, maybe my friend, Tom Smith, wouldn't be living on the
> streets,
> > > and getting treated like scum where ever he goes.
> > >
> >
> > Who would you say gets more vindication? The whore out on the
street
> or
> > suzy homemaker the crybaby who justly gets a black eye for having a
> > backdoor man? Pretty obvious I think.
>
>
> Oh, the crybaby. No doubt. The more valid the Man's reason is, the
> more they turn the woman into a martyr.
>
>
> > If men were smart they would
> > start kicking these miss muffetts out into the workforce where they
> can
> > cheat on their lunch hours all they like.
>
>
> I agree.
You deride housewives or women who stay at home. But who is to raise
the children? Should we require families to put their kids in daycare 8
to 9 hours a week so that both parents can work? You also don't seem
to understand that taking care of small children (before they're school
age) is work . . . it's just not paid work.

> Men can't keep letting a vocal minority of women like Jayne
> and Heidi - along with their subservient male counterparts, like
> Society and Greg - keep dictating an arbitrary set of off-the-book
> rules to them to live their lives by.
Arbitrary? Following the law of nonviolence is arbitrary?

> These behind-the-times weirdos always employ the same old strategy:
to
> play progressive one moment, and to run behind the shield of
tradition
> the next - when they get into trouble.
Jayne made a choice, Heidi made a choice. Why does that bother you so
much?

> Uh-uh. It doesn't work that way. We have modern laws now. The
> individual Man is under no obligation to upkeep a lazy housewife who
he
> can't order around, who doesn't have to have with him, and who he
> can't hit. It's simply a question of fighting to get them enforced
so
> that the freeloader is forced to reestablish the connect between
rights
> and responsibilities.
So, according to your logic, if a women stays home to care for her
children, then she's automatically a lazy freeloader. Thus she's
required to have with her husband on demand, and be subjected to
physical abuse if the husband deems it neccessary.

> If a Man is married and supporting a Miss Muffett, and she says to
him,
> "Not tonight, I have a headache", then Men have to get to the point
> where they reply, "Well, then. Sleep in somebody else's house
tonight,
> too." ...and then throw her off his property.
Not mentioning that most couples co-own their property, if the husband
does throw his wife out of the house, then who will take care of the
teething baby and rebelious toddler? Nannies are pretty expesive these
days.
>
> > I have no sympathy for the martha stewart who gets beat up by her
> > husband. Prostitutes do more to earn their own ways than do
> freeloading
> > housewives, an' they're tougher about little knocks.
>
>
> I agree. Politics is the problem. As long these phony baloney
> atheistic moderates can successfully hijack the system, then they can
> also keep getting away with using wishy-washy inconsistent moralizing
> stances to attack alternate lifestyles.
What alternative life styles? One of domination and domestic violence?
>
> Kind of like Cheney and his lesbian daughter. These people are
> ridiculous. If you're not 100% dogmatic about something then you
have
> no right to dictate it to others.
So Cheney should just kill his lesbian daughter? But at least she's
not a lazy housewife living off her poor husband and then denying him
.

.......That's what Jesus taught.
If Jesus saw how you completely alter his words for your own
self-serving purposes, he's never stop throwing-up.
>
> I have such sites to show you...
> ------------------------
> http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Men_First/
> ------------------------
>
> "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
> maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
> burn in hell forever and ever...."
>
> -----
>
>
> > > http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2005/01/20/edmonton-missing050120
> > >
> > >
> > > Edmonton police add another name to missing women list
> > > Last Updated Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:39:03
> > >
> > > EDMONTON - A 27-year-old woman who worked as a prostitute has
been
> > > added to the Edmonton RCMP's list of missing or murdered women,
> after
> > > having not been seen for eight months.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Corrie Ottenbreit (File photo)
> > >
> > > INDEPTH: Edmonton's murdered women
> > >
> > > Cpl. Wayne Oakes says Corrie Ottenbreit hasn't been in contact
with
> > > friends or relatives since May 9, 2004, when she disappeared off
> > > Edmonton streets. She may have been wearing a black leather
jacket
> > and
> > > jeans.
> > >
> > > While there is no evidence of foul play, Oakes says the fact that
> > she's
> > > been out of contact so long means they have to consider the
> > > possibility.
> > >
> > > "We are still hopeful that Miss Ottenbreit has simply made a
change
> > in
> > > her lifestyle, and after seeing this in the media will reach out
> and
> > > pick up the phone and call investigators," Oakes said.
> > >
> > > "But we have to face reality and observe the fact that there was
> need
> > > to pursue other avenues of investigation along with this."
> > >
> > > Shortly before she disappeared, Ottenbreit gave police her photo
> and
> > > contact information, in case anything happened to her.
> > >
> > > Ottenbreit becomes the 84th woman on the RCMP's list of woman who
> > live
> > > high-risk lifestyles who have gone missing or been found murdered
> > over
> > > the past 20 years.
> > >
> > > The cases are being investigated by the RCMP's Project KARE task
> > force.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ottenbreit was last seen a month before prostitute Rachel Quinney
> > > disappeared from downtown Edmonton. Her body was found in a
wooded
> > area
> > > east of Sherwood Park on June 11, five days after she was last
> seen.
> > >
> > > Quinney, who had worked in Edmonton's trade for at least
three
> > > years, was the sixth prostitute to be found dead on the city's
> > > outskirts in the last two years.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Written by CBC News Online staff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - - -
> > >
> > > The face of an angel, the charm of the devil ...the power of a
god:
> > >
> > > Turin
> > >
> > >
> > > I have such sites to show you...
> > > ------------------------
> > > http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Men_First/
> > > ------------------------
> > >
> > > "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with,
deleteth,
> or
> > > maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known
> shall
> > > burn in hell forever and ever...."
> > >
> > > -----

From:	Turin
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	22 Jan 2005 14:21:32 -0800

Stormy wrote:
> Turin wrote:
> > Man, I find it to be sickening that a woman can simply drop her
card
> > off at her local Nazis' satellite, and she immediately gains the
same
> > status and royal regard normally granted to missing kids.
> >
> > I'd like to see that same protective concern on display for drug
> users
> > and the guys caught in domestic violence, who are also high risk.
> > Then, maybe my friend, Tom Smith, wouldn't be living on the
streets,
> > and getting treated like scum where ever he goes.
> >
>
> Who would you say gets more vindication? The whore out on the street
or
> suzy homemaker the crybaby who justly gets a black eye for having a
> backdoor man? Pretty obvious I think.

Oh, the crybaby. No doubt. The more valid the Man's reason is, the
more they turn the woman into a martyr.

> If men were smart they would
> start kicking these miss muffetts out into the workforce where they
can
> cheat on their lunch hours all they like.

I agree. Men can't keep letting a vocal minority of women like Jayne
and Heidi - along with their subservient male counterparts, like
Society and Greg - keep dictating an arbitrary set of off-the-book
rules to them to live their lives by.

These behind-the-times weirdos always employ the same old strategy: to
play progressive one moment, and to run behind the shield of tradition
the next - when they get into trouble.

Uh-uh. It doesn't work that way. We have modern laws now. The
individual Man is under no obligation to upkeep a lazy housewife who he
can't order around, who doesn't have to have with him, and who he
can't hit. It's simply a question of fighting to get them enforced so
that the freeloader is forced to reestablish the connect between rights
and responsibilities.

If a Man is married and supporting a Miss Muffett, and she says to him,
"Not tonight, I have a headache", then Men have to get to the point
where they reply, "Well, then. Sleep in somebody else's house tonight,
too." ...and then throw her off his property.

> I have no sympathy for the martha stewart who gets beat up by her
> husband. Prostitutes do more to earn their own ways than do
freeloading
> housewives, an' they're tougher about little knocks.

I agree. Politics is the problem. As long these phony baloney
atheistic moderates can successfully hijack the system, then they can
also keep getting away with using wishy-washy inconsistent moralizing
stances to attack alternate lifestyles.

Kind of like Cheney and his lesbian daughter. These people are
ridiculous. If you're not 100% dogmatic about something then you have
no right to dictate it to others. ......That's what Jesus taught.

- - -

This has been another enlightening moment, with:

Turin

I have such sites to show you...
------------------------
http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Men_First/
------------------------

"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
burn in hell forever and ever...."

-----

> > http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2005/01/20/edmonton-missing050120
> >
> >
> > Edmonton police add another name to missing women list
> > Last Updated Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:39:03
> >
> > EDMONTON - A 27-year-old woman who worked as a prostitute has been
> > added to the Edmonton RCMP's list of missing or murdered women,
after
> > having not been seen for eight months.
> >
> >
> >
> > Corrie Ottenbreit (File photo)
> >
> > INDEPTH: Edmonton's murdered women
> >
> > Cpl. Wayne Oakes says Corrie Ottenbreit hasn't been in contact with
> > friends or relatives since May 9, 2004, when she disappeared off
> > Edmonton streets. She may have been wearing a black leather jacket
> and
> > jeans.
> >
> > While there is no evidence of foul play, Oakes says the fact that
> she's
> > been out of contact so long means they have to consider the
> > possibility.
> >
> > "We are still hopeful that Miss Ottenbreit has simply made a change
> in
> > her lifestyle, and after seeing this in the media will reach out
and
> > pick up the phone and call investigators," Oakes said.
> >
> > "But we have to face reality and observe the fact that there was
need
> > to pursue other avenues of investigation along with this."
> >
> > Shortly before she disappeared, Ottenbreit gave police her photo
and
> > contact information, in case anything happened to her.
> >
> > Ottenbreit becomes the 84th woman on the RCMP's list of woman who
> live
> > high-risk lifestyles who have gone missing or been found murdered
> over
> > the past 20 years.
> >
> > The cases are being investigated by the RCMP's Project KARE task
> force.
> >
> >
> > Ottenbreit was last seen a month before prostitute Rachel Quinney
> > disappeared from downtown Edmonton. Her body was found in a wooded
> area
> > east of Sherwood Park on June 11, five days after she was last
seen.
> >
> > Quinney, who had worked in Edmonton's trade for at least three
> > years, was the sixth prostitute to be found dead on the city's
> > outskirts in the last two years.
> >
> >
> >
> > Written by CBC News Online staff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - - -
> >
> > The face of an angel, the charm of the devil ...the power of a god:
> >
> > Turin
> >
> >
> > I have such sites to show you...
> > ------------------------
> > http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Men_First/
> > ------------------------
> >
> > "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth,
or
> > maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known
shall
> > burn in hell forever and ever...."
> >
> > -----

From:	Heidi Graw
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:49:17 GMT

"Turin" wrote in message
news:1106432492.560226.115510@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
(snip)

>Turin wrote:
> I agree. Men can't keep letting a vocal minority of women like Jayne
> and Heidi - along with their subservient male counterparts, like
> Society and Greg - keep dictating an arbitrary set of off-the-book
> rules to them to live their lives by.

What "off-the-book" rules are you talking about?

Heidi

From:	Jayne Kulikauskas
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:03:02 -0500

"Turin" wrote in message
news:1106432492.560226.115510@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

[]
> If a Man is married and supporting a Miss Muffett, and she says to him,
> "Not tonight, I have a headache", then Men have to get to the point
> where they reply, "Well, then. Sleep in somebody else's house tonight,
> too." ...and then throw her off his property.

I never refuse to my husband. I agree with you that I am obliged to be
available when he wants.

Jayne

From:	Heidi Graw
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:42:17 GMT

">Jayne Kulikauskas" wrote in message
news:35i3kpF4l24b7U1@individual.net...
>
>> "Turin" wrote in message
> news:1106432492.560226.115510@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> []
>> If a Man is married and supporting a Miss Muffett, and she says to him,
>> "Not tonight, I have a headache", then Men have to get to the point
>> where they reply, "Well, then. Sleep in somebody else's house tonight,
>> too." ...and then throw her off his property.

> Jayne wrote:
> I never refuse to my husband. I agree with you that I am obliged to
> be
> available when he wants.

Of course, 'cause that is the service agreement you entered into with your
spouse. In exchange for acting as that personal care attendant and
providing , he gives you shelter, food, clothes and a generous allowance.
He is your client...in return you respond to your client's needs, you
submit, obey and never say no to . There is no moral sanction against
such private whoring. The Church is often seen to promote it!

Heidi

From:	Stormy
Subject:	Re: Missing: Have You Seen This Whore?
Date:	23 Jan 2005 01:10:11 -0800