That taunt line knot really works!!

Our bed doesn't have any posts so the big loops were out of the
question for self tightening. So I put on my thinking cap and did it
this way. I tied a short rope around the foot of the bed at the head.
I tied a taunt line knot with it, over the middle of a long rope. The
long rope was long enough to go from the center of the bed down through
the taunt line knot at the foot of the bed and back to the center.
Then I did the same thing to the head board foot on the other side of
the bed. That will leave enough room to lie in the middle of the bed
on my back, tie both of my wrists, then have enough rope tail to pull
my wrists to the sides of the bed with the other hand. So I can tie
both wrists, put the tails in the opposite hands, and then tighten
myself by just spreading my hands. Am I clever or what!!

It's a king size bed so to raise legs toward the head corners I'm
afraid it will get painful in the hip joints pretty quick. So I tied
two sets of ropes (one for each ankle) to the frame under the bed near
the center. I think it will be easier to last longer with the legs
coming straight up and back.

But why test on myself when I know when he is coming home, LOL!! I hid
all the ropes under the bed, already tied with wrist loops. That night
in bed when he was lying on his back, I pulled one loop out and slipped
it over his wrist. Then I climbed over him and did his other wrist.
There was a lot of slack in the ropes and he was laughing. I pushed
his knees up to his shoulders and sat on top of his folded legs on top
of him with his ankles back over my shoulders. I leaned forward with
my breasts in his face and he loved it. I really did it to pull out
the other two ropes and tie to his ankles. They were real slack too,
so he thought it was funny. I reach down and pulled the two tails of
the two long wrist ropes. That immediately stretched his arms to the
sides of the bed. That surprised him!! Then I put my breasts in his
face again, which he loved (lol!!) and pulled the two long tails to
tighten his ankles up toward the head of the bed. He was surprised
again!! He was now mine!!

I played with his genital for a few minutes and got him really excited.
I told him what a surprise it was that his butt hole was facing up
while he was on his back. I lubed him and and forced him to relax.
Then I got out the toy I've been wanting to use on him: the vibrator
with the knob on the end. It was work at first, but by the time we
were done it was slipping in and out of him pretty easily. His hole
looked hungry for a strap-on someday!! LOL!! VBevilG!!
Thank you for your ideas. They worked!!

L

From:	StarGapper
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	22 Jan 2005 14:18:53 -0800

I see you have experienced locks with him. To answer your questions,
they work around the balls. A girlfriend used to do that to me. She
had two. One was a padlock with keys, which she kept hidden from me.
One was a changable combination lock, where she rarely let me in on her
little secret. Those were my most vulnerable times. You can mix them
with your other positions.

Get him, girl! Let us know how it goes.

-sg

Lynn wrote:
> That taunt line slipknot worked so well that he was
> assigned to buy some more rope (and other toys!!)
>
> So I have a "still a newbie" question for this group. What are some
> really REALLY vulnerable and exciting positions to tie your partner
> in (or be tied in, LOL)??

From:	Lynn
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	23 Jan 2005 10:39:03 -0800

Velvet Wood wrote:
>
>The condoms _will_ break if too much strain is on them, especially if
>they're ultra-thin ones like most people prefer for actual . I keep
>some thick polyurethane (for me) and latex (for him) on hand for such
>purposes. It's also good for using on benwa balls, giant benwa balls,
>and ice cubes. A trick: Take a regular nylon, kneehigh stocking. Put
>that over the dildo/vibrator, whatever. Then put the condom over that
>securely tie the neck tight over the end, around the stocking, leaving
>the longest part of the stocking hanging out. Little disposable rubber
>bands would probably work well for securing the neck so condom doesn't
>slip off. 'Why add the condom at all?' you may wonder...there are two
>reasons. One, even the silkiest nylon is very abrasive, especially in
>he ass, and two, if the nylon around the dildo gets snagged, it'll run
>just like it does on your leg and the dildo will likely come right out
>so the condom provides a bit of slickness for you, and protection for
>the stocking. Stockings are _way_ tougher and harder to tear than
>condoms. You can also get buttplugs with loops and/or flared bases
>designed to run a string or a strap through.
>
>Personally, I wouldn't put anything with a flat end inside all way
>well maybe if it were only an inch or so across) because the way
>the ass is designed, I'd think there'd be a non-zero chance that it
>could get _seriously_ stuck, necessitating a _most_ embarrassing trip
>to the ER. Buttplugs come in vibrating varieties, too, and are made
>for ease of insertion _and_ removal.
>
>I highly recommend using the stocking and condom trick appropriately
>sized oriental chime balls. I have one set that's about an inch and
>a half, and another set that's at _least_ two inches, maybe three in
>diameter. They feel....really freakin' neat in the vagina. Haven't
>tried the smaller ones in the ass, but I think they'd feel cool. Not
>going to try the big ones...they take enough work just to get in the
>pussy, and getting the bastards out again can be a bruising sorta
>thing. They'd probably feel really neat to any male fucking the other
>hole while they were in, too.
>
>Have fun,
>
>Velvet

What are oriental chime balls? You're past golf ball sizes and getting
into tennis ball territory. OUCH!!

Thank you for the nylon idea. That will be useful when we want
something out right away. For his next round though, he's going to
*experience* worrying that the condom will tear and he better be
careful. "But, Honey, it was YOUR idea!!" BTW, it's a skinny little
vibrator, and uses just an AA battery, but that's still a lot for his
tight little hole. "First an enema, then push, Honey, push!!" It's
payback equivalency.

L

From:	Lynn
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	22 Jan 2005 09:48:28 -0800

Brian wrote:
> Thanks for this, quite funny, but I guess you are for it soon....:-)
>
> "Lynn" wrote in message
> > That taunt line knot really works!!
> >
> > Our bed doesn't have any posts so the big loops were out of the
> > question for self tightening. So I put on my thinking cap and did
it
> > this way. I tied a short rope around the foot of the bed at the
head.
> > I tied a taunt line knot with it, over the middle of a long rope.
The
> > long rope was long enough to go from the center of the bed down
through
> > the taunt line knot at the foot of the bed and back to the center.
> > Then I did the same thing to the head board foot on the other side
of
> > the bed. That will leave enough room to lie in the middle of the
bed
> > on my back, tie both of my wrists, then have enough rope tail to
pull
> > my wrists to the sides of the bed with the other hand. So I can
tie
> > both wrists, put the tails in the opposite hands, and then tighten
> > myself by just spreading my hands. Am I clever or what!!
> >
> > It's a king size bed so to raise legs toward the head corners I'm
> > afraid it will get painful in the hip joints pretty quick. So I
tied
> > two sets of ropes (one for each ankle) to the frame under the bed
near
> > the center. I think it will be easier to last longer with the legs
> > coming straight up and back.
> >
> > But why test on myself when I know when he is coming home, LOL!! I
hid
> > all the ropes under the bed, already tied with wrist loops. That
night
> > in bed when he was lying on his back, I pulled one loop out and
slipped
> > it over his wrist. Then I climbed over him and did his other
wrist.
> > There was a lot of slack in the ropes and he was laughing. I
pushed
> > his knees up to his shoulders and sat on top of his folded legs on
top
> > of him with his ankles back over my shoulders. I leaned forward
with
> > my breasts in his face and he loved it. I really did it to pull
out
> > the other two ropes and tie to his ankles. They were real slack
too,
> > so he thought it was funny. I reach down and pulled the two tails
of
> > the two long wrist ropes. That immediately stretched his arms to
the
> > sides of the bed. That surprised him!! Then I put my breasts in
his
> > face again, which he loved (lol!!) and pulled the two long tails to
> > tighten his ankles up toward the head of the bed. He was surprised
> > again!! He was now mine!!
> >
> > I played with his genital for a few minutes and got him really
excited.
> > I told him what a surprise it was that his butt hole was facing up
> > while he was on his back. I lubed him and and forced him to relax.
> > Then I got out the toy I've been wanting to use on him: the
vibrator
> > with the knob on the end. It was work at first, but by the time we
> > were done it was slipping in and out of him pretty easily. His
hole
> > looked hungry for a strap-on someday!! LOL!! VBevilG!!
> > Thank you for your ideas. They worked!!
> >

He got me. It's payback time again.

Last night he tied down on the bed with my arms spread (quickly with
taunt line slipknots, I might add!!) and my legs back above my
shoulders. Then he used the vibrator with the knob. That was fair.
And he used it to stretch me some more. That was fair, too. When I
was enjoying it and not watching, he slipped a new vibrator in. It was
one of those shorter ones, with only one battery, with no strings or
wires. He shoved it ALL THE WAY IN!!!! It was out of reach up there.
But he said it was okay because he had a plan. He put it in a condom
and the end of it was still hanging out my butt hole, so I could pull
it out later. Ok, there was a way out, it felt good, and I enjoyed it.

After he untied me I was ready to pull it out, but it wouldn't come
out!! My rear end muscles were so tight that the condom just stretched
and stretched and stretched. I was scared to pull too hard or it would
tear the condom and who knows how far that thing would go in me. I
couldn't push it out either. It was only a few inches long and didn't
restrict my movement, so ok, we'll wait till it comes out "naturally"
(how naturally do vibrators pass?). It vibrated and vibrated and
vibrated, for hours!! So I relaxed and enjoyed it but didn't tell him.
The battery finally died this morning. When he went golfing with the
boys, I got it out with an enema.

Actually, it felt good and I may use it again. It wasn't gasmic, but
it did relax me to sleep. It was kind of nice but I'm not telling him.
There may be guilt jewelry in store here!!

It's payback time. What goes good up a rear end? Especially something
he can't get out easily. It will be put in place while he's tied has
to take it like a woman!!

tia,
L

From:	Wolf Whitewater
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:10:25 -0600

"Lynn" wrote in message > It's payback time. What goes
good up a rear end? Especially something
> he can't get out easily. It will be put in place while he's tied has
> to take it like a woman!!
>
> tia,
> L
>

Glad you didn't have any serious complications! For the future, to avoid
things like that I'd suggest never putting anything in that hasn't got a
wide base. That said, if you keep his hands away somehow I'd imagine any
butt plug would do. They have penis shaped ones, triangle ones, wobbly ones,
colored ones, big ones, small ones, expensive ones, cheap ones, etc. If you
want him to 'take it like a woman' I'd suggest starting with a smallish
plug, then lubing up a dildo plug that's the right shape/size and going with
that. Personally I always found that real dildos were too hard and my body
wasn't happy, but when I got plugs (especially the gel ones) designed for
the purpose I was much happier, and so was my body.

Whitewater

From:	LilKappa
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	23 Jan 2005 06:59:45 -0800

Lynn wrote:
> That one has potential for next summer.
> But just what kind of "friends" have you got??!!

Here's another idea with tent stakes next summer. Use them in a wide
open area for tying him down. And you'll need *5* stakes. You'll know
what to tie to the 5th one. It's fun to put that 5th one about 20 feet
away to see the look in his eyes. Make sure you don't trip over it
though. ;-)

My "friends" were close college friends, and it was a weekend escape
after finals. Unpacking for dinner, three of us (one guy and us two
girls) were sharing hazing stories we'd heard. None of us had ever
been tied before. I drew the short spagetti straw, making me the
spreadeagle guinnee pig. He hammered the extra tent stakes through the
tent floor, and she tied my wrists and ankles, and folded my clothes.
Done with that chore, they went out and started fixing dinner. When
the rest of the group returned and asked "where's Kat", they pointed to
the tent. I could see and hear all this through the mosquito net door.

One by one they poked their heads in and saw me. Rather than untie me,
they all came in and sat down. I became the buffet table for dinner.
The girls fed me, served me beer, and wiped me with a napkin. The guys
gawked, kept there distance and made no offer to untie me. My belly
button and nipple rings were the after dinner discussion. (That was
back during my pierced year.) The girls pulled on them, "doesn't this
hurt?". They talked about how to tie people up, and pointed to my
anatomy for examples.

Finally I had to pee. One of the guys put my shoes on me, and another
let me loose. One of the guys had locked the rest of my clothes in my
car. It was dark so I peed in the woods instead of the public
bathrooms. When I got back to the tent they said I was their science
project for the night and they hogtied me. It took about two seconds
to realize you don't want your ankles tied to you neck. The ME's
figured out how to tie my ankles to my shoulders. When I got sore, the
girls re-tied me spread, face down. In the middle of the night I was
sore again and yelled out to untie me, and they did. In the morning,
after a night like that, heck, why bother getting dressed. So I went
out and fixed breakfast in just my running shoes. When the public
campers started coming out, one of the other guys found my car keys so
I could get my clothes.

Lynn, you asked what was the most vulnerable? That was it. But if you
asked when was I most in control? That was it, too (except for my
clothes); they gave me everything and did everything I told them to.
(Gimme some chips! Give me another bite! Give me some beer! Wipe my
chin! I need a pillow! Scratch my nose!). Was it exhibitionism or
voyerisme? I don't know. But I won't forget it, and they won't
either.

Chicks rule,
Katie

From:	Philip_the_Foole
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:32:11 GMT

LilKappa wrote:

> When I got back to the tent they said I was their science
> project for the night and they hogtied me. It took about two seconds
> to realize you don't want your ankles tied to your neck.

Well, not unless you want to force the captive to slowly strangle as
their legs tire. Not that anyone would want to do that, of course.

Sometimes an unintentional choke can happen when the ankles are *not*
tied to the neck. I was once co-topping a lovely, hogtied woman who was
wearing nothing but a Japanese rope-diamond body harness and her leather
collar. We had tied her ankles to the body harness, intending to avoid
choking her. Unfortunately, as we got preoccupied in finding various
ways to keep our prisoner from becoming bored, she thrashed around a bit
in her bondage, and the front rope of the body harness slipped up under
her collar against her throat. None of us (including her) realized what
was going on until she suddenly passed out. Four highly experienced
tops *still* didn't immediately realize what had happened, even at that
point, since the rope that was causing the problem was concealed under
her collar. Fortunately, all of us were carrying either knives or
heavy-duty paramedic scissors. We shredded the rope harness in seconds
to cut her loose. She regained consciousness quickly, and was soon
ready to play again, but it was a mighty scary situation for a few
moments there.

Your Humble Jester,

Philip the Foole

"Well, here you are, naked and tied up with duct tape in an abandoned
warehouse, about to be tortured by a serial killer."
"Mmmmm. Right where I want to be."
- Ancient Kung Foole Proverb

From:	Kevin Craig
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:33:02 -0600

In article , Philip_the_Foole
wrote:

> Sometimes an unintentional choke can happen when the ankles are *not*
> tied to the neck.

Careful, now. Jay might be lurking out there, ready to debate judo and
choke holds. ;-)

Kevin

From:	Kevin Craig
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:35:24 -0600

In article <1106492385.862430.286330@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
LilKappa wrote:

> In the morning, after a night like that, heck, why bother getting dressed. So I went
> out and fixed breakfast in just my running shoes.

I'm guessing that bacon wasn't on the breakfast menu.

Or if you're more of a masochist than you realized, maybe frying bacon
was exactly what you had in mind. :-)

Kevin

From:	Lynn
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	23 Jan 2005 10:41:40 -0800

LilKappa wrote:
>
> If you want him to take it like a woman, use a tampon. Cover it with
> toothpaste. The tampon may come back out, but the toothpaste won't.
> Go for the burn! ;-)
>
> Chicks rule,
> Katie

That's a good idea. Those are always waiting in the bathroom cabinet.
Or someday when he owes me, I can say "Honey, bring home some tampons
for me. Oh, and some toothpaste, too!"

VBG!!

L

From:	Doug Scibor
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:24:29 -0500

Tampon and rectum are a really dangerous combo. Don't do it.

Since they are designed to absorb liquids, you could end up with
adhesions to the colon and tears internally. They also tend to expand
when they absorb making them difficult to remove.

Don't do it.

Doug

x-no-archive=yes/n"Lynn" wrote:

>LilKappa wrote:
>>
>> If you want him to take it like a woman, use a tampon. Cover it with
>> toothpaste. The tampon may come back out, but the toothpaste won't.
>> Go for the burn! ;-)
>>
>> Chicks rule,
>> Katie
>
>That's a good idea. Those are always waiting in the bathroom cabinet.
>Or someday when he owes me, I can say "Honey, bring home some tampons
>for me. Oh, and some toothpaste, too!"
>
>VBG!!
>
>L

Mobilesub (Doug Scibor)
-----------------------
"Heaven isn't beyond the clouds, it's just beyond the fear."
Garth Brooks, Sevens - "Belleau Wood"

From:	LilKappa
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	22 Jan 2005 05:38:18 -0800

Philip_the_Foole wrote:
> > So I have a "still a newbie" question for this group. What are
> > some really REALLY vulnerable and exciting positions to tie your
> > partner in (or be tied in, LOL)??
>
> Well, really the *best* way is to have a third person tie the two of
> you together.

For two people, you can also do a double g-string. First, find a
"traditional intimate position". Tie rope goes around both of your
waists. Then a second rope is tied from that one behind one person's
back, down between both pairs of legs, and up and tied behind the back
of the other person. If done tightly, he's not coming out. We wanted
to be sure it would last a while so we took it farther. We used two
collars and locked our necks close together, then put on handcuffs
about our head that were locked together. Then we couldn't reach down
to untie the double g-string. That's how we had to spend most of the
night. The key was in a frozen bottle hung from a high ceiling to drip
the keys into a bucket below. From an orgasmic perspective, the
g-string was too tight for him to get enough running room and I got
only part of a deep one. We should have tested how long it would take
for the ice to melt, because a couple of bad things happened. But it
was fun, and maybe more fun again one day now that I'm experienced at
it. ;-)

Chicks rule,
Katie

From:	Philip_the_Foole
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:22:50 GMT

LilKappa wrote:
> Philip_the_Foole wrote:
>
>>>So I have a "still a newbie" question for this group. What are
>>>some really REALLY vulnerable and exciting positions to tie your
>>>partner in (or be tied in, LOL)??
>>
>>Well, really the *best* way is to have a third person tie the two of
>>you together.
>
>
> For two people, you can also do a double g-string. First, find a
> "traditional intimate position". Tie rope goes around both of your
> waists. Then a second rope is tied from that one behind one person's
> back, down between both pairs of legs, and up and tied behind the back
> of the other person. If done tightly, he's not coming out. We wanted
> to be sure it would last a while so we took it farther. We used two
> collars and locked our necks close together, then put on handcuffs
> about our head that were locked together. Then we couldn't reach down
> to untie the double g-string.

Yumm! I enjoy tying two people face-to face, either standing up or
kneeling, and then working with a co-top, so that we have four hands
working on them at the same time. For example, each of us brings our
hands together to "clap," but of course, our captives butts are in the
way, so there are four simultaneous butt spanks that drive their bodies
against each other. Double cane-strikes also work very well in this
situation.

Another enjoyable game is to tie two nude submissives face-down, side by
side. The top then kneels so that the two "middle" legs of the captives
are between the top's knees, and their butts and wabbly bits are within
easy reach. I like to spank, tease, tweak, and otherwise entertain the
two captives at the same time, so that they moan or scream in unison.

Your Humble Jester,

Philip the Foole

Tightly tied up new club member, gasping between orgasms: "Is this some
sort of initiation ceremony?"
"Yes. Next month, we'll teach you the secret handshake."
- Ancient Kung Foole Proverb

From:	LilKappa
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	22 Jan 2005 05:19:12 -0800

Lynn wrote:
> We did something new that may be sound boring to this group but
> exciting to us. We tied each other in a regular spread eagle
position,
> but sideways on the king size bed. I went first. Once tied
> spread on a king from side to side, there is no way to reach any edge
> of the bed, even for him. Using lots of loops around the wrists and
> ankles we tried it on each other really REALLY tight!! It left no
> more than a little bit of wiggle room. It's exciting to be tied, but
> I never felt more vulnerable than last night. He had to ease the
> ropes a little when he climbed on top for his "follow through", LOL,
> but he knew how to work the tight anticipation!!
>
> So I have a "still a newbie" question for this group. What are some
> really REALLY vulnerable and exciting positions to tie your partner
> in (or be tied in, LOL)??

My most vulnerable was a spreadeagle, too, but it was in a tent at a
camp site. It was during the last use of a big old family style tent
about to be thrown out. During a discussion with a couple of friends,
one of them hammered 4 tent stakes through the tent floor. One thing
led to another and I was the one left naked and spreadeagle. It was
strange feeling to be naked and spread with nothing between me and the
other campers but a mosquito net door waving in the breeze. That was
my first time to be tied up. You're right, it felt exciting and
vulnerable.

Chicks rule,
Katie

From:	Lynn
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	20 Jan 2005 18:45:05 -0800

Brian wrote:
> Thanks for this, quite funny, but I guess you are for it soon....:-)
>

It has been fun. That taunt line slipknot worked so well that he was
assigned to buy some more rope (and other toys!!) and I was assigned to
tie more knots. There's now one at every corner of the bed, and the
two ankle ones are still at the head of the bed. All are neatly tucked
away under the bed and ready for use. VBG!!

We did something new that may be sound boring to this group but it was
exciting to us. We tied each other in a regular spread eagle position,
but sideways on the king size bed. I went first, of course. Once tied
spread on a king from side to side, there is no way to reach any edge
of the bed, even for him. Using lots of loops around the wrists and
ankles we tried it on each other really REALLY tight!! It left no more
than a little bit of wiggle room. It's exciting to be tied, but I
never felt more vulnerable than last night. He had to ease the ropes a
little when he climbed on top for his "follow through", LOL, but he
knew how to work the tight anticipation!!

So I have a "still a newbie" question for this group. What are some
really REALLY vulnerable and exciting positions to tie your partner in
(or be tied in, LOL)??

tia,
L

From:	Philip_the_Foole
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:40:34 GMT

Lynn wrote:

> So I have a "still a newbie" question for this group. What are some
> really REALLY vulnerable and exciting positions to tie your partner in
> (or be tied in, LOL)??
>
> tia,
> L

Well, really the *best* way is to have a third person tie the two of you
together.

Preferably someone who is bi, and good at bondage. Me, for example.

Your Humble Jester,

Philip the Foole

Did you know that "Cavi" means "guinea pig?"
- Ancient Kung Foole Proverb by Cavi-the-Pirate-Wench

From:	Judi
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 04:07:26 GMT

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:40:34 GMT, Philip_the_Foole
wrote:

>Lynn wrote:
>
>> So I have a "still a newbie" question for this group. What are some
>> really REALLY vulnerable and exciting positions to tie your partner in
>> (or be tied in, LOL)??
>>
>> tia,
>> L
>
>Well, really the *best* way is to have a third person tie the two of you
>together.
>
>Preferably someone who is bi, and good at bondage. Me, for example.

You're so selfless, Philip *g*
-----------------------------------

Judi & Sub
SSBB Dip. Corp., Houston, TX.
"I like the sight of your tears just as much as your smile"

From:	Philip_the_Foole
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:44:09 GMT

Judi wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:40:34 GMT, Philip_the_Foole
> wrote:
>>
>>Well, really the *best* way is to have a third person tie the two of you
>>together.
>>
>>Preferably someone who is bi, and good at bondage. Me, for example.
>
>
> You're so selfless, Philip *g*

Well Judi, you know how gosh-darned dedicated I am to the cause of BDSM
education.

Your Humble Jester,

Philip the Foole

It's not a whisky-fueled LSD binge
if you can still pronounce "titration."
- Ancient Kung Foole Proverb by SlackTop

From:	Lynn
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	22 Jan 2005 10:12:30 -0800

LilKappa wrote:
>
> My most vulnerable was a spreadeagle, too, but it was in a tent at a
> camp site. It was during the last use of a big old family style tent
> about to be thrown out. During discussion with a couple of friends,
> one of them hammered 4 tent stakes through the tent floor. One thing
> led to another and I was the one left naked and spreadeagle. It was
> strange feeling to be naked and spread with nothing between me and
> other campers but a mosquito net door waving in the breeze. That was
> my first time to be tied up. You're right, it felt exciting and
> vulnerable.
>
> Chicks rule,
> Katie

That one has potential for next summer.
But just what kind of "friends" have you got??!!

L

From:	LilKappa
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	22 Jan 2005 05:27:46 -0800

Velvet Wood wrote:
> Start with a standard spread eagle, four point tie down. Make
> sure it's nice and tight. Then run ratcheting cargo straps
> (yes, like you'd use to load a truck!) under the table/bed at
> points just beneath the nipples, right at the top of the hip
> bones, and right above the knees and tighten the hell out of
> them. Be sure they're either quick release (and you can figure
> out how to use it, damned things can be finicky) or you have
> a pair of very sharp scissors (bandage scissors work well)
> on hand in case of cramps etc. If I'd had more straps I would
> have added one just under the arms, across the tops of his
> thighs, and across the shins, but I ran out. I also think two
> inch straps would work better and cut in less. Because my
> whimsy runs that way, I added a pretty red rope around his
> neck that ran down over the straps and wrapped around the base
> of his cock and his balls, then wove a 'net' of twine around his
> cock and tied it off on the straps to hold it pointing straight
> up.

That might work on a board, too.

> For a female, if you're flexible, you might enjoy this: Spread
> a long, wide strap on the bed. Lay on your back, with the strap
> beneath you, about 3 inches above your waist. Pull your knees
> up to your chest and have him fasten the strap tightly, securing
> your legs up in that position. Put another strap or a doubled
> rope behind your neck, then tie it in a nonslip knot that can rest
> between your breasts, then take the loose ends, run them between
> your knees and around the strap, and fasten securely. The tension
> should be on the back of your neck...if there's any on your throat
> or the front sides of your neck, you tied that first knot too
> high. Now wrap your arms around your knees, each hand grasping
> the other forearm, and secure with rope, straps, cuffs, ducttape
> (be sure and use a cloth liner unless you want all the hair on your
> arms ripped out), plastic wrap, or whatever. You're all set,
> completely open and exposed and totally vulnerable.

Not just a female, you know! That could be interesting to tie the arms
together *below* the knees so the feet are pointed up. That will get
his feet out of the way and he can't see what you're doing to him down
below. If he tries to peek between his legs, then tie his knees
together, and cross his ankles and tie them together. He'll be
blindfolded by his own knees. ;-)

Chicks rule,
Katie

From:	Brian
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:11:15 GMT

Thanks for this, quite funny, but I guess you are for it soon....:-)

Brian

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"Lynn" wrote in message
news:1105996782.182927.310610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> That taunt line knot really works!!
>
> Our bed doesn't have any posts so the big loops were out of the
> question for self tightening. So I put on my thinking cap and did it
> this way. I tied a short rope around the foot of the bed at the head.
> I tied a taunt line knot with it, over the middle of a long rope. The
> long rope was long enough to go from the center of the bed down through
> the taunt line knot at the foot of the bed and back to the center.
> Then I did the same thing to the head board foot on the other side of
> the bed. That will leave enough room to lie in the middle of the bed
> on my back, tie both of my wrists, then have enough rope tail to pull
> my wrists to the sides of the bed with the other hand. So I can tie
> both wrists, put the tails in the opposite hands, and then tighten
> myself by just spreading my hands. Am I clever or what!!
>
> It's a king size bed so to raise legs toward the head corners I'm
> afraid it will get painful in the hip joints pretty quick. So I tied
> two sets of ropes (one for each ankle) to the frame under the bed near
> the center. I think it will be easier to last longer with the legs
> coming straight up and back.
>
> But why test on myself when I know when he is coming home, LOL!! I hid
> all the ropes under the bed, already tied with wrist loops. That night
> in bed when he was lying on his back, I pulled one loop out and slipped
> it over his wrist. Then I climbed over him and did his other wrist.
> There was a lot of slack in the ropes and he was laughing. I pushed
> his knees up to his shoulders and sat on top of his folded legs on top
> of him with his ankles back over my shoulders. I leaned forward with
> my breasts in his face and he loved it. I really did it to pull out
> the other two ropes and tie to his ankles. They were real slack too,
> so he thought it was funny. I reach down and pulled the two tails of
> the two long wrist ropes. That immediately stretched his arms to the
> sides of the bed. That surprised him!! Then I put my breasts in his
> face again, which he loved (lol!!) and pulled the two long tails to
> tighten his ankles up toward the head of the bed. He was surprised
> again!! He was now mine!!
>
> I played with his genital for a few minutes and got him really excited.
> I told him what a surprise it was that his butt hole was facing up
> while he was on his back. I lubed him and and forced him to relax.
> Then I got out the toy I've been wanting to use on him: the vibrator
> with the knob on the end. It was work at first, but by the time we
> were done it was slipping in and out of him pretty easily. His hole
> looked hungry for a strap-on someday!! LOL!! VBevilG!!
> Thank you for your ideas. They worked!!
>
> L
>

From:	Velvet Wood
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 06:13:30 GMT

"LilKappa" writes:

> That might work on a board, too.

It would, but it'd be a _lot_ more uncomfortable. With a thin
bottom, I'd worry about putting too much pressure on the shoulder
blades and maybe cracking them, or the backs of the ribs, too.
I know it'd probably rub blisters on any pressure points. A padded
stretcher type board would work well.

Velvet

From:	Velvet Wood
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:13:25 GMT

"Lynn" writes:

> So I have a "still a newbie" question for this group. What are some
> really REALLY vulnerable and exciting positions to tie your partner in
> (or be tied in, LOL)??
>
> tia,
> L

I recently tied shay in a way that had him almost completely
immobolized. He loved it, but it wasn't a way that could be
used on me because it would have just been too painful to be
y. It's also very simple.

Start with a standard spread eagle, four point tie down. Make
sure it's nice and tight. Then run ratcheting cargo straps
(yes, like you'd use to load a truck!) under the table/bed at
points just beneath the nipples, right at the top of the hip
bones, and right above the knees and tighten the hell out of
them. Be sure they're either quick release (and you can figure
out how to use it, damned things can be finicky) or you have
a pair of very sharp scissors (bandage scissors work well)
on hand in case of cramps etc. If I'd had more straps I would
have added one just under the arms, across the tops of his
thighs, and across the shins, but I ran out. I also think two
inch straps would work better and cut in less. Because my
whimsy runs that way, I added a pretty red rope around his
neck that ran down over the straps and wrapped around the base
of his cock and his balls, then wove a 'net' of twine around his
cock and tied it off on the straps to hold it pointing straight
up.

For a female, if you're flexible, you might enjoy this: Spread
a long, wide strap on the bed. Lay on your back, with the strap
beneath you, about 3 inches above your waist. Pull your knees
up to your chest and have him fasten the strap tightly, securing
your legs up in that position. Put another strap or a doubled
rope behind your neck, then tie it in a nonslip knot that can rest
between your breasts, then take the loose ends, run them between
your knees and around the strap, and fasten securely. The tension
should be on the back of your neck...if there's any on your throat
or the front sides of your neck, you tied that first knot too
high. Now wrap your arms around your knees, each hand grasping
the other forearm, and secure with rope, straps, cuffs, ducttape
(be sure and use a cloth liner unless you want all the hair on your
arms ripped out), plastic wrap, or whatever. You're all set,
completely open and exposed and totally vulnerable.

Have fun,

Velvet

From:	Velvet Wood
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 06:13:30 GMT

"Lynn" writes:

> After he untied me I was ready to pull it out, but it wouldn't come
> out!! My rear end muscles were so tight that the condom just stretched
> and stretched and stretched. I was scared to pull too hard or it would
> tear the condom and who knows how far that thing would go in me. I
> couldn't push it out either. It was only a few inches long and didn't
> restrict my movement, so ok, we'll wait till it comes out "naturally"
> (how naturally do vibrators pass?). It vibrated and vibrated and
> vibrated, for hours!! So I relaxed and enjoyed it but didn't tell him.
> The battery finally died this morning. When he went golfing with the
> boys, I got it out with an enema.

The condoms _will_ break if too much strain is on them, especially if
they're ultra-thin ones like most people prefer for actual . I keep
some thick polyurethane (for me) and latex (for him) on hand for such
purposes. It's also good for using on benwa balls, giant benwa balls,
and ice cubes. A trick: Take a regular nylon, kneehigh stocking. Put
_that_ over the dildo/vibrator, whatever. Then put the condom on over that,
securely tie the neck tight over the end, around the stocking, leaving
the longest part of the stocking hanging out. Little disposable rubber
bands would probably work well for securing the neck so the condom doesn't
slip off. 'Why add the condom at all?' you may wonder...there are two
reasons. One, even the silkiest nylon is very abrasive, especially in
the ass, and two, if the nylon around the dildo gets snagged, it'll run
just like it does on your leg and the dildo will likely come right out,
so the condom provides a bit of slickness for you, and protection for
the stocking. Stockings are _way_ tougher and harder to tear than
condoms. You can also get buttplugs with loops and/or flared bases
designed to run a string or a strap through.

Personally, I wouldn't put anything with a flat end inside all the way
(well maybe if it were only an inch or so across) because the way
the ass is designed, I'd think there'd be a non-zero chance that it
could get _seriously_ stuck, necessitating a _most_ embarrassing trip
to the ER. Buttplugs come in vibrating varieties, too, and are made
for ease of insertion _and_ removal.

I highly recommend using the stocking and condom trick on appropriately
sized oriental chime balls. I have one set that's about an inch and
a half, and another set that's at _least_ two inches, maybe three in
diameter. They feel....really freakin' neat in the vagina. Haven't
tried the smaller ones in the ass, but I think they'd feel cool. Not
_going_ to try the big ones...they take enough work just to get in the
pussy, and getting the bastards out again can be a bruising sorta
thing. They'd probably feel really neat to any male fucking the other
hole while they were in, too.

Have fun,

Velvet

From:	LilKappa
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	23 Jan 2005 07:41:09 -0800

Lynn wrote:
> He got me. It's payback time again.
>
> What goes good up a rear end? Especially something
> he can't get out easily. It will be put in place while he's tied
> has to take it like a woman!!
>
> tia,
> L

If you want him to take it like a woman, use a tampon. Cover it with
toothpaste. The tampon may come back out, but the toothpaste won't.
Go for the burn! ;-)

Chicks rule,
Katie

From:	Lynn
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	23 Jan 2005 10:45:50 -0800

StarGapper wrote:
> I see you have experienced locks with him. To answer your questions,
> they work around the balls. A girlfriend used to do that to me. She
> had two. One was a padlock with keys, which she kept hidden from me.
> One was a changable combination lock, where she rarely let me in on
> her little secret. Those were my most vulnerable times. You can mix

> them with your other positions.
>
> Get him, girl! Let us know how it goes.
>
> -sg

What size works best? A regular one, or one of the larger longer ones?
My shopping list has an opening!! LOL!!

tia,

L

From:	Lynn
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	23 Jan 2005 20:04:57 -0800

Doug Scibor wrote:
> Tampon and rectum are a really dangerous combo. Don't do it.
>
> Since they are designed to absorb liquids, you could end up with
> adhesions to the colon and tears internally. They also tend to
> expand when they absorb making them difficult to remove.
>
> Don't do it.

That's too bad. What a lovely key holder that string was going to
make. "Honey, have you seen the cuff keys?" "I think you're sitting
on them, Dear."

Now where can I put them so he can keep up with them?? VBG!!

L

From:	Patti Beadles
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:36:16 +0000 (UTC)

In article <1106537278.661965.27230@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Lynn wrote:
>That's too bad. What a lovely key holder that string was going to
>make. "Honey, have you seen the cuff keys?" "I think you're sitting
>on them, Dear."

It would seem like you could do the same with a small butt plug that
had a ring or some other attachment point on it, but that didn't
absorb liquids.

You could also put the tampon in a condom, I suppose.

-Patti
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From:	Lynn
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	23 Jan 2005 10:20:46 -0800

Philip_the_Foole wrote:
> Well, not unless you want to force the captive to slowly strangle as
> their legs tire. Not that anyone would want to do that, of course.
>
> Sometimes an unintentional choke can happen when the ankles are *not*
> tied to the neck. I was once co-topping a lovely, hogtied woman who
> was wearing nothing but a Japanese rope-diamond body harness and her
> leather collar. We had tied her ankles to the body harness, intending
> to avoid choking her. Unfortunately, as we got preoccupied in finding
> various ways to keep our prisoner from becoming bored, she thrashed
> around a bit in her bondage, and the front rope of the body harness
> slipped up under her collar against her throat. None of us (including
> her) realized what was going on until she suddenly passed out. Four
> highly experienced tops *still* didn't immediately realize what had
> happened, even at that point, since the rope that was causing the
> problem was concealed under her collar. Fortunately, all of us were
> carrying either knives or heavy-duty paramedic scissors. We
> shredded the rope harness in seconds to cut her loose. She regained
> consciousness quickly, and was soon ready to play again, but it was
> a mighty scary situation for a few moments there.

You help raise a couple of interesting questions.

How do you intentionally tie someone so they tighten themselves as they
struggle? It seems like one tie would have to be loose enough to make
another one tighten. How do you do this?

What is the most comfortable hogtie? If it's comfortable enough to
even fall asleep in, all the better. I want time to work against him
and tire him out for me.

tia,
L

From:	Lynn
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	22 Jan 2005 10:06:11 -0800

LilKappa wrote:

> Philip_the_Foole wrote:
>> Well, really the *best* way is to have a third person tie the
>> two of you together.
>
> For two people, you can also do a double g-string. First, find a
> "traditional intimate position". Tie rope goes around both of your
> waists. Then a second rope is tied from that one behind one person's
> back, down between pairs of legs, and up and tied behind the back
> of the other person. Done tightly, he's not coming out. We wanted
> to be sure it would last a while so we took it farther. We used two
> collars and locked our necks close together, then put on handcuffs
> about our head that were locked together. We couldn't reach down
> to untie the double g-string. That's how we had to spend most of the
> night. The key was in a frozen bottle hung from a high ceiling to
> drip the keys into a bucket below. From an orgasmic perspective, the
> g-string was too tight for him to get enough running room and I got
> only part of a deep one. We should have tested how long it would
> take for the ice to melt, because a couple of bad things happened.
> But it was fun, and maybe more fun again one day now that I'm
> experienced at it. ;-)
>
> Chicks rule,
> Katie

What are the "couple of bad things" that happened?

L

From:	Lynn
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	23 Jan 2005 10:25:29 -0800

Wolf Whitewater wrote:
>
> but when I got plugs (especially the gel ones) designed for
> the purpose I was much happier, and so was my body.
>

He should be thankful that his little wiffle golf balls don't fit up
there. Maybe he'll find himself in a position where I can remind him,
LOL!!

L

From:	LilKappa
Subject:	Re: In position
Date:	23 Jan 2005 07:34:05 -0800

Lynn wrote:
>LilKappa wrote:
>> For two people, you can also do a double g-string. First, find a
>> "traditional intimate position". Tie rope goes around both of your
>> waists. Then a second rope is tied from that one behind one
>> back, down between pairs of legs, and up and tied behind the back
>> of the other person. Done tightly, he's not coming out. We wanted
>> to be sure it would last a while so we took it farther. We used two
>> collars and locked our necks close together, then put on handcuffs
>> about our head that were locked together. We couldn't reach down
>> to untie the double g-string. That's how we had to spend most the
>> night. The key was in a frozen bottle hung from a high ceiling to
>> drip keys into a bucket below. From an orgasmic perspective, the
>> g-string was too tight for him to get enough running room and I got
>> only part of a deep one. We should have tested how long it would
>> take for the ice to melt, because a couple of bad things happened.
>> But it was fun, and maybe more fun again one day now that I'm
>> experienced at it. ;-)
>
>What are the "couple of bad things" that happened?
>
>L

This one was invented over dinner and daiquiris. By the time it was
laid out we thought we were sober enough and had been to the bathroom
for the last time for the night. After a few hours of being tied, the
ice still hadn't melted and I had to pee, so we had to work our way
into the bathroom and into the bathtub. We were still tied in a full
thrust position, our necks locked together and our hands cuffed
overhead. With him still tied in me, I had no choice but to pee over
him. We let that run off and he couldn't hold back either, so he peed
in me. We grabbed what towels we could, worked our way back to the
bed, rolled over them on the bed and kicked them out of the way. The
sheets went into the wash the next morning.

The morals of this story are, empty your bladder, don't tie your legs
together (we didn't), and do know how long it takes for your ice to
melt. :-(

If it's any consolation, he can't orgasm and you'll have something hard
to sleep on all night! ;-)

Chicks rule,
Katie