I need to buy two collars that can be worn (ideally) 24/7 and which are
therefore socially acceptable, hypoallergenic and tolerant of soap and
water. I can't pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars, either.

Ideas and links appreciated.

Oh, and yeah, I am bragging; don't believe I've mentioned it, but I'm
married to my slave and we just "collared" another more or less
together. I was a little surprised, the slavewife moreso as she
expected all kinds of jealousy issues that just didn't come up; indeed,
she was the first to ram her tongue down said new slave's throat.

Bizarre. Kinda cool to watch. Slight tilt to the universe. Surprisingly
comfortable for all of us.

But like I said... smugly... I need two collars. Durablity and
discretion required; having gone through several trial solutions with
wife, I'm out of ideas.

From:	Bob King
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	17 Jan 2005 09:42:17 -0800

Heh. A torque actually communicates a bit of the wrong thing if one is
of celtic or norse ancestry. Hm. But there is an idea in there, all
right...

....hm... a quick art supplies search got me to a whole new idea....
craft mesh bonded with fimo...

But I'll search out LockwoodDesigns too.. no joy there.

A general seach finds a lot of things I'd love but which are either not
descreet enough, not decorative enough, or not cheap enough.

Looks like making my own is the way to go. just found
http://www.dickblick.com/ - wet dream art supply site - and I'm
thinking of going with cable and thermoplastic, with molded/sculpted
decorations.

I think also danglies are in order and given the use of thermoplastic
to edge and back them, these round ornemants from cafepress may just do
perfectly. http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=webcarve.14563766 As
you can see, they will take full color images very nicely - and they
are porcelain.

So one baked with fimo on the back and sides would be quite durable -
and a good place to stash a safety key. :P

Oh, another page I just bookmarked....
http://www.wondermagnets.com/cgi-bin/edatcat/WMSstore.pl?user_action=list&category=Magnets_and_Magnetism%3BPermanent_Magnets

Thinking that pairs of sphere magnets might make interesting body
jewlery and possibly amusing "benwa" fillers...

From:	Binder
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:49:50 -0800

Bob King wrote:
> Heh. A torque actually communicates a bit of the wrong thing if one is
> of celtic or norse ancestry. Hm. But there is an idea in there, all
> right...

Hmmm... there's one attributed to Scythians I've seen pictures of that
leads me to think that not all cultures put them exclusively on their
slaves.

It's made of gold, and has a frieze of scenes done in miniature around
its circumferance. Like a boy milking a mare; all of 1/2" or so tall.

I wonder; is it plausible that for everything that some culture finds
disgusting, there's another culture that finds it delightful?

From:	Sunlight
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:08:46 GMT

binderunread@yahoo.com writes:

[Torcs]

> Hmmm... there's one attributed to Scythians I've seen pictures of that
> leads me to think that not all cultures put them exclusively on their
> slaves.

Indeed not. In some cultures, in some times, they were a sign of nobility,
even royalty.

There are some nice examples in my local museum, the National Museum of
Wales. That should give you a clue :-)

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From:	Malcolm Weir
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:40:33 -0800

On 16 Jan 2005 09:09:11 -0800, "Bob King"
wrote:

>I need to buy two collars that can be worn (ideally) 24/7 and which are
>therefore socially acceptable, hypoallergenic and tolerant of soap and
>water. I can't pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars, either.
>
>Ideas and links appreciated.
>
>Oh, and yeah, I am bragging; don't believe I've mentioned it, but I'm
>married to my slave and we just "collared" another more or less
>together. I was a little surprised, the slavewife moreso as she
>expected all kinds of jealousy issues that just didn't come up; indeed,
>she was the first to ram her tongue down said new slave's throat.
>
>Bizarre. Kinda cool to watch. Slight tilt to the universe. Surprisingly
>comfortable for all of us.
>
>But like I said... smugly... I need two collars. Durablity and
>discretion required; having gone through several trial solutions with
>wife, I'm out of ideas.

Take a look here: http://ccp51.houseofcollars.com/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi
(no connection, etc.).

Malc.

From:	Ruth Fink-Winter
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:41:14 GMT

I am so glad someone else posted asking this question. I have been looking
for 24/7 collars for some time now.

Has anyone here tried the anodized aluminum collars at House of Collars? I
like the concept of stainless steel, but the anodized aluminum speaks to me
a little more.

I am a little concerned about how the aluminum would hold up.

R

"Malcolm Weir" wrote in message
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{snip}
> Take a look here: http://ccp51.houseofcollars.com/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi
> (no connection, etc.).
>
> Malc.

From:	Sartan
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	19 Jan 2005 06:27:56 GMT

>From: "Ruth Fink-Winter" ruthfw@hotmail.com
>I am a little concerned about how the aluminum would hold up.

Probably OK, but not nearly as durable as stainless. The aluminum can dent
with remarkable ease, unless hardenned, and annodizing can scratch. If you
tend to wear rings, I would be particualrly cautious of aluminum collars.

Regards,
Sartan

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From:	Bob King
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	21 Jan 2005 05:50:25 -0800

Hold on; I've yet to check my mail, but I've had an idea that may be
the answer:

I've found a source for steel hex-key collars at a reasonable price -
unfortunately, they are simply not discreet enough, because while they
might pass once or twice, all the time might become a little obvious.

So the idea of snap-on covers occured to me. And these can be easily
made with a fimo base, as the thermoplastic is just a wee tiny bit
flexible. (One could also use more advanced casting resins and
plastics.)

These could either be on-piece fronts, or many "beads".

And of course you could use "beads" too, if taking the collar on and
off isn't too much of a hassle for Master.

In another vein; I had an inspiration for a collar that might seem
symbolic but woud be quite, quite effective, if the slave won't cut it;
a sheer, volumnous scarf, roughly 4x8, of fine silk.

A locking broach at the throat gathers it as desired. At that length it
can serve as a leash, or with another broach at the waist, all the
covering a slave needs.

One final thought; the idea of a circlet (or those german shaped
titanium ones) leads one to the idea of wardrobe that depends entirely
upon the collar to stay on.

This fits nicely with my view that the collar should be used to display
the worth of the slave; not only a permanant sign of slavery, but a
gallery of the rewards and adornments she has earned. Nothing like a
beaded sheath depending on a permanant collar for it's sole means of
support for that, eh?

From:	Janet Hardy
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:34:12 -0800

Bob King wrote:

> This fits nicely with my view that the collar should be used to display
> the worth of the slave; not only a permanant sign of slavery, but a
> gallery of the rewards and adornments she has earned. Nothing like a
> beaded sheath depending on a permanant collar for it's sole means of
> support for that, eh?

In one master-slave couple I knew, he was a retired military officer,
and awarded her medals for feats of outstanding slavery. Her collar
looked like a charm bracelet.

Janet

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From:	Bob King
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	18 Jan 2005 18:07:10 -0800

actually, the broken collar - the torq - is a sign of rulership. :)
Handy to know who's slave and free when everyone's naked...

From:	Bob King
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	17 Jan 2005 10:04:10 -0800

they ARE beautiful! a little too stark for my tastes, though, and
pricy.

....but my, oh my...

From:	Master
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	17 Jan 2005 05:37:07 -0800

Bob King wrote:
> I need to buy two collars that can be worn (ideally) 24/7 and which
are
> therefore socially acceptable, hypoallergenic and tolerant of soap
and
> water. I can't pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars, either.
>
> Ideas and links appreciated.
>
> Oh, and yeah, I am bragging; don't believe I've mentioned it, but I'm
> married to my slave and we just "collared" another more or less
> together. I was a little surprised, the slavewife moreso as she
> expected all kinds of jealousy issues that just didn't come up;
indeed,
> she was the first to ram her tongue down said new slave's throat.
>
> Bizarre. Kinda cool to watch. Slight tilt to the universe.
Surprisingly
> comfortable for all of us.
>
> But like I said... smugly... I need two collars. Durablity and
> discretion required; having gone through several trial solutions
with
> wife, I'm out of ideas.

From:	jacqui{JB}
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:30:46 +0100

"Bob King" wrote in message
news:1105895351.008383.35900@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> I need to buy two collars that can be worn (ideally)
> 24/7 and which are therefore socially acceptable,
> hypoallergenic and tolerant of soap and water. I
> can't pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars, either.

This may be more than you can/want to spend, but I'm very impressed
with the collars from http://www.axsmar.de/ -- the Talena series,
specifically -- are quite beautiful and seem to wear quite well. I
have a feeling one is in my future, possibly in titanium, which should
be more comfortable and actually possible to wear 24/7 than the collar
I have now.

-j

From:	Binder
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:44:50 -0800

jacqui{JB} wrote:

> This may be more than you can/want to spend, but I'm very impressed
> with the collars from http://www.axsmar.de/ -- the Talena series,
> specifically -- are quite beautiful and seem to wear quite well.

In-fucking-genius.

From:	Master
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	17 Jan 2005 05:38:56 -0800

Try getting ahold of "Joe" at -
LockwoodDesigns@aol.com

He is an expert in stainless steel.

From:	Binder
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:03:47 -0800

Bob King wrote:
....
> Bizarre. Kinda cool to watch. Slight tilt to the universe. Surprisingly
> comfortable for all of us.

Excellent! And -great- to see you posting again!

> But like I said... smugly... I need two collars. Durablity and
> discretion required; having gone through several trial solutions with
> wife, I'm out of ideas.

How about a torque? The basic form looks like:
http://www.siteclx.nl/rmo/ images/rmo/torque_torque.jpg

(that space in the link looks out of place)

Could be done quite reasonably in stainless, but I don't know where to
find it in surgical grade. A quick poke around http://www.mcmaster.com/
shows $10.48 for a 6' length of type 316 1/4" diameter. Bending a circle
out of it, threading the ends and placing a captive type bead on each
end is well within the capabilities of almost anyone regardless of the
number of thumbs. With a little more tooling, the ends could be threaded
(right and left hand) so that a single bead could be threaded onto both
ends, closing the loop. Slightly more effort could have the bead pinned
in place as well, effectively making it into a "must remove with a saw"
type collar.

HTH!

Binder

From:	sms at sfgrrl.com
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:00:15 -0000

Binder wrote:

> With a little more tooling, the ends could be threaded (right and
> left hand) so that a single bead could be threaded onto both ends,
> closing the loop. Slightly more effort could have the bead pinned
> in place as well, effectively making it into a "must remove with
> a saw" type collar.

Even easier than pinning, the application of Loctite 262 on the
threads would make it just as 'permanent.'

~Stef

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From:	Binder
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:36:54 -0800

sms@sfgrrl.com wrote:
> Binder wrote:
>
>
>>With a little more tooling, the ends could be threaded (right and
>>left hand) so that a single bead could be threaded onto both ends,
>>closing the loop. Slightly more effort could have the bead pinned
>>in place as well, effectively making it into a "must remove with
>>a saw" type collar.
>
>
> Even easier than pinning, the application of Loctite 262 on the
> threads would make it just as 'permanent.'

Probably. I'm chemical shy, though. For this application, a pinned and
peened connection could be both tamper-proof and decorative (with
different color metals.)

And, depending on the kinds of metals used, even 262 can be broken loose
with heat... carefully applied heat, given the location.

From:	sms at sfgrrl.com
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:26:42 -0000

Binder wrote:

> Probably. I'm chemical shy, though. For this application, a pinned=20
> and peened connection could be both tamper-proof and decorative=20
> (with different color metals.)

True enough.
=20
> And, depending on the kinds of metals used, even 262 can be broken=20
> loose with heat... carefully applied heat, given the location.

I'm not sure you could be careful enough when you're talking about=20
325=B0f (minimum). Ouch.

~Stef

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From:	Binder
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:25:52 -0800

sms@sfgrrl.com wrote:

>>And, depending on the kinds of metals used, even 262 can be broken
>>loose with heat... carefully applied heat, given the location.
>
>
> I'm not sure you could be careful enough when you're talking about
> 325°f (minimum). Ouch.

I have a resistance soldering machine that will heat a very samll area
of a silver chain while a mere inch or less away will stay cool to the
touch. That inch or so can be maintained quite cool with damp towels.

From:	tecon
Subject:	Re: Collars
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:12:46 GMT

On 1/16/05 12:09, in article
1105895351.008383.35900@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "Bob King"
wrote:

> I need to buy two collars that can be worn (ideally) 24/7 and which are
> therefore socially acceptable, hypoallergenic and tolerant of soap and
> water. I can't pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars, either.
>
> Ideas and links appreciated.
>
> Oh, and yeah, I am bragging; don't believe I've mentioned it, but I'm
> married to my slave and we just "collared" another more or less
> together. I was a little surprised, the slavewife moreso as she
> expected all kinds of jealousy issues that just didn't come up; indeed,
> she was the first to ram her tongue down said new slave's throat.
>
> Bizarre. Kinda cool to watch. Slight tilt to the universe. Surprisingly
> comfortable for all of us.
>
> But like I said... smugly... I need two collars. Durablity and
> discretion required; having gone through several trial solutions with
> wife, I'm out of ideas.
>
I just had very good dealings with Eternity collars. Stainless steel and
very comfortable. WWW.eternitycollars.com