from the American Dialect Society mailing list:

From: martha@FUNWORDS.COM
Subject: HoYay!
Date: January 20, 2005 7:23:38 AM PST
To: ADS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU

Newsweek reports this expression from the blogosphere denoting
"awkward glances or ually ambiguous dialogue between guys" (short
for "Homoeroticism Yay!"), usually exclaimed while watching TV
programs featuring romantic tension between male characters.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6827282/site/newsweek/

From:	Jack Hamilton
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:14:15 -0800

zwicky@Turing.Stanford.EDU (Arnold Zwicky) wrote:

>from the American Dialect Society mailing list:
>
> From: martha@FUNWORDS.COM
> Subject: HoYay!
> Date: January 20, 2005 7:23:38 AM PST
> To: ADS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>
>Newsweek reports this expression from the blogosphere denoting
>"awkward glances or ually ambiguous dialogue between guys" (short
>for "Homoeroticism Yay!"), usually exclaimed while watching TV
>programs featuring romantic tension between male characters.
>
>http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6827282/site/newsweek/

So why, oh internet gods and godettes, do I get this message when I
visit that page in Firefox?

Network Error
Unable to read URL from host msnbc.msn.com: Not in GZIP format

Other than that Microsoft doesn't want us to use Firefix, I suppose.

Jack Hamilton
jfh@acm.org

----
I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just;
that his justice cannot sleep forever; that considering
numbers, nature, and natural means only, a revolution of
the wheel of fortune, and exchange of situation, is among
possible events; that it may become probable by supernatural
interference! The Almighty has no attribute which can
take side with uus in such a contest.
Thomas Jefferson

From:	David W. Fenton
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:28:44 GMT

Jack Hamilton wrote in
news:6pa1v05hfhu1lpfthg37j7eiv1itrdhe3d@4ax.com:

> zwicky@Turing.Stanford.EDU (Arnold Zwicky) wrote:
>
>>from the American Dialect Society mailing list:
>>
>> From: martha@FUNWORDS.COM
>> Subject: HoYay!
>> Date: January 20, 2005 7:23:38 AM PST
>> To: ADS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>
>>Newsweek reports this expression from the blogosphere denoting
>>"awkward glances or ually ambiguous dialogue between guys"
>>(short for "Homoeroticism Yay!"), usually exclaimed while watching
>>TV programs featuring romantic tension between male characters.
>>
>>http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6827282/site/newsweek/
>
> So why, oh internet gods and godettes, do I get this message when
> I visit that page in Firefox?
>
> Network Error
> Unable to read URL from host msnbc.msn.com: Not in GZIP format
>
> Other than that Microsoft doesn't want us to use Firefix, I
> suppose.

Sounds like the web server is mis-configured (MIME type).

MSNBC's web pages are disastrous in many, many ways, and I avoid
them whenever possible.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

From:	Arnold Zwicky
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:04:31 +0000 (UTC)

in article <6pa1v05hfhu1lpfthg37j7eiv1itrdhe3d@4ax.com>,
jack hamilton asks:

>>http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6827282/site/newsweek/

>So why, oh internet gods and godettes, do I get this message when I
>visit that page in Firefox?

> Network Error
> Unable to read URL from host msnbc.msn.com: Not in GZIP format

loads fine in Safari.

fox silver (#9)

From:	Kathryn Burlingham
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:25:57 -0800

Jack Hamilton wrote:
>
> So why, oh internet gods and godettes, do I get this message when I
> visit that page in Firefox?
>
> Network Error
> Unable to read URL from host msnbc.msn.com: Not in GZIP format
>
> Other than that Microsoft doesn't want us to use Firefix, I suppose.

It's working fine in Mozilla

From:	Ellen Evans
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	21 Jan 2005 11:55:23 -0500

In article <10v1bk5rvjkg6b8@corp.supernews.com>,
Kathryn Burlingham wrote:
>Jack Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> So why, oh internet gods and godettes, do I get this message when I
>> visit that page in Firefox?
>>
>> Network Error
>> Unable to read URL from host msnbc.msn.com: Not in GZIP format
>>
>> Other than that Microsoft doesn't want us to use Firefix, I suppose.
>
>It's working fine in Mozilla

I can see it fine in Firefox.

--
Ellen Evans If my life wasn't funny, it would
jeev@panix.com just be true, and that's unacceptable.
Carrie Fisher

From:	chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:34:27 +0000

Ellen Evans wrote:

> In article <10v1bk5rvjkg6b8@corp.supernews.com>,
> Kathryn Burlingham wrote:
> >Jack Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> So why, oh internet gods and godettes, do I get this message when I
> >> visit that page in Firefox?
> >>
> >> Network Error
> >> Unable to read URL from host msnbc.msn.com: Not in GZIP format
> >>
> >> Other than that Microsoft doesn't want us to use Firefix, I suppose.
> >
> >It's working fine in Mozilla
>
> I can see it fine in Firefox.

Me too. (OS X version.)

--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

From:	Ken Rudolph
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:22:06 -0800

Kathryn Burlingham wrote:
> Jack Hamilton wrote:
>
>>
>> So why, oh internet gods and godettes, do I get this message when I
>> visit that page in Firefox?
>>
>> Network Error
>> Unable to read URL from host msnbc.msn.com: Not in GZIP format
>>
>> Other than that Microsoft doesn't want us to use Firefix, I suppose.

> It's working fine in Mozilla

It loads fine in Netscape 7.1 on a Winbox; but as with some recent
commercial web pages the ads are positioned incorrectly and
sometimes cover part of the copy. My policy is that if I care that
much about reading such a poorly designed page, I copy the URL and
read it in IE.

By the way, anent the article, apparently I'm watching every show
they mention as having HoYay! content. What isn't said in the
article is that most of these shows are created by out men
(writing coded str8 stories); which is probably one reason why I
enjoy them.

--Ken Rudolph

From:	Kathryn Burlingham
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:18:03 -0800

Arnold Zwicky wrote:
>
> Newsweek reports this expression from the blogosphere denoting
> "awkward glances or ually ambiguous dialogue between guys" (short
> for "Homoeroticism Yay!"), usually exclaimed while watching TV
> programs featuring romantic tension between male characters.

I'm pretty sure this was either in the title or the description of one
of the panels I went to at WisCon in May. At the very least it was used
by a panelist (if I knew where my program is I'd look it up for you--if
it's really of interest I'll look for the program). But not all the
panelists used it, and none of the stuff I tend to read uses it--there's
plenty of slashy culture out there that doesn't use it, and hasn't heard
it, I think. (I find it cutesy myself--mostly I hear people say
"slashy"--which I find less cutesy, but then that's what I use, so I would.)

From:	Nick Fitch
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:24:37 +0000 (UTC)

In article <10v10jse703nt0e@corp.supernews.com>, pipyn@pacifier.com
says...

["HoYay"]

> I'm pretty sure this was either in the title or the description of one
> of the panels I went to at WisCon in May. At the very least it was used
> by a panelist

It's standard on televisionwithoutpity.com. That's where I first read
it; and there were an awful lot of threads about it concerning
Smallville, Firefly, Buffy and Angel.

From:	David W. Fenton
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:27:13 GMT

Nick Fitch wrote in
news:MPG.1c5b918b2ac4c2db98980d@news.btopenworld.com:

> In article <10v10jse703nt0e@corp.supernews.com>,
> pipyn@pacifier.com says...
>
> ["HoYay"]
>
>> I'm pretty sure this was either in the title or the description
>> of one of the panels I went to at WisCon in May. At the very
>> least it was used by a panelist
>
> It's standard on televisionwithoutpity.com. That's where I first
> read it; and there were an awful lot of threads about it
> concerning Smallville, Firefly, Buffy and Angel.

Am I getting the right impression that it's women who use the term
positively?

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

From:	Kathryn Burlingham
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:24:01 -0800

David W. Fenton wrote:
>
> Am I getting the right impression that it's women who use the term
> positively?

Yes, women eat this stuff up with a spoon

From:	Nick Fitch
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:28:43 +0000 (UTC)

In article <10v3vsi38p54rd5@corp.supernews.com>, pipyn@pacifier.com
says...
> David W. Fenton wrote:
> >
> > Am I getting the right impression that it's women who use the term
> > positively?
>
>
> Yes, women eat this stuff up with a spoon

Yes, they seem to. Though some of them then projectile vomit it
indiscriminately.

It's a bit disconcerting, at first, to see half a dozen women you have
to assume are otherwise quite sensible having textual orgasms because
OMFG!1!! CLARK JUST TOUCHED LEXX'S SHOULDER IN 2NITE'S EPISODE!!1!!11 HE
SO WANTS HIM *LOLOL* *SQUEEEEEAAALLLL*!111!!1!!

I started wondering whether my dar was so broken that I was missing
important subtext on some of my favorite shows. Then it occurred to me
that, well, being a fag and all, I actually *have* dar.

From:	Tim McDaniel
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	22 Jan 2005 14:12:15 -0600

In article ,
Nick Fitch wrote:
>Then it occurred to me that, well, being a fag and all, I actually
>*have* dar.

*sigh* As if. Alas, some of us were issued Soviet surplus dars.
My dar works only if you bang hard and repeatedly.

--
Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd@panix.com

From:	Nick Fitch
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:20:55 +0000 (UTC)

In article , tmcd@panix.com says...
> In article ,
> Nick Fitch wrote:
> >Then it occurred to me that, well, being a fag and all, I actually
> >*have* dar.
>
> *sigh* As if. Alas, some of us were issued Soviet surplus dars.
> My dar works only if you bang hard and repeatedly.

In my experience there's a lot that works better when you get banged
hard and repeatedly.

I never said I had a *good* dar. Just one that, perhaps, has a
slightly better grasp of homoerotic behaviour than a few of the more
rabid HoYay! fans I've run across on the net.

From:	Robert Cumming
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	22 Jan 2005 23:29:04 +0100

In article ,
tmcd@panix.com (Tim McDaniel) wrote:
> In article ,
> Nick Fitch wrote:
> >Then it occurred to me that, well, being a fag and all, I actually
> >*have* dar.
> *sigh* As if. Alas, some of us were issued Soviet surplus dars.
> My dar works only if you bang hard and repeatedly.

Everybody knows there's no such thing as dar.

Robert

From:	the artist
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 04:58:45 +0000 (UTC)

In article , Nick Fitch wrote:

> It's a bit disconcerting, at first, to see half a dozen women you have
> to assume are otherwise quite sensible having textual orgasms because
> OMFG!1!! CLARK JUST TOUCHED LEXX'S SHOULDER IN 2NITE'S EPISODE!!1!!11 HE
> SO WANTS HIM *LOLOL* *SQUEEEEEAAALLLL*!111!!1!!

So, is there a word for the reflexive hostility at any hint
of something when you're A Guy bonding with The Guys - a
hostility which is pretty clearly supposed to be shared by the
male-targeted viewers for whom the advertised products are made?
(This occurs almost exclusively in commercials.)

Such as the one where the punchline is that one guy is just
going to die from snakebite because the alternative is one of
The Guys sucking it out, or the one where they squeeze five
guys into one car, and a leg accidentally touches another
(and the guy is _singing_) or they're watching The Game,
and a reach for a Heneken results in momentary contact
followed by extreme pullback and grunting?

I'm thinking "NoWayGay", perhaps.

From:	Tim McDaniel
Subject:	Re: HoYay!
Date:	20 Jan 2005 12:41:50 -0600

In article ,
Arnold Zwicky wrote:
> Subject: HoYay!
>
>Newsweek reports this expression from the blogosphere

I found the origin of "HoYay".

- from the _Buffy the Vampire Slayer_ episode "Lie to Me"
(season 2, episode 7):
Xander: Are you probably noticing a theme here?
Willow: As in 'Vampires, yay?'

-
(sometime since Feb 2004 rendered unaccessable without login *sob*):
"'Homoeroticism, Yay?' was a thread originated by Jennifer Godwin
(jengod) on the Mighty Big TV (now Television without Pity) Angel
message boards sometime during that show's first season (1999-2000)"
This page credits the BtVS exchange as the inspiration.

- :
"Cut to spring 2001. ... summer reruns were looming. Whatever were
we fans to do? I, who was going by the username whofleck at the
time, posted something like, 'We should have a Camp HoYay for the
summer.' I can't find the exact post because MBTV gakked their
boards unannounced in the fall of 2001."

- The first use of the phrase "Homoeroticism Yay" on Usenet was in
alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer.creative, alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, alt.tv.angel,
originated by Kate Bolin, pointing to
, on 15 February 2001,
"takes it name from the Mighty Big TV Angel thread started by
JenGod. ... We love big TV."

- The first use of "HoYay" on Usenet (per Google Groups) was Mike
Zeares, in alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, 2001-06-28 05:24:35 PST.

I posted a little more info (expanded quotations and definitions) in

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:25:35 -0500 (EST)
From:
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X-Also-Posted-To: alt.tv.angel
Subject: Re: The HoYay Fight Scene (was Re: Did anyone else liked the fight scene? ** POSSIBLE SPOILERS**)

--
Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd@panix.com