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 | | From: | gigo448 at netscape.net | | Subject: | Re: OT circumcision | | Date: | 23 Jan 2005 12:33:45 -0800 |
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fallout wrote:
> wrote in message
> news:1106451225.354119.289520@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Avenger wrote:
> >> wrote in message
> >> news:1106447062.989852.9670@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Avenger wrote:
> >> > > "Latro" wrote in message
> >> > > news:j8j5v0pfuo4ungmb50e1d0hrsmovhq5o2a@4ax.com...
> >> > > > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:48:42 GMT, Mad Mambo Master of
Macedonia
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > >From Pubmed:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >Crit Rev Oncol Hematol. 2005 Feb;53(2):165-177.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Cancer of the penis.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Mosconi AM, Roila F, Gatta G, Theodore C.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Ospedale Policlinico Monteluce, Perugia, Italy.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Cancer of the penis is rare in Europe, accounting for
less
> >> > than 0.5%
> >> > > of
> >> > > > >all cancers.
> >> > >
> >> > > That's 1/2 of 1% of all people who have cancer, not of the
male
> >> > population
> >> > > at large.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Phimosis and poor hygiene are strong risk factors whereas
> >> > > > >neonatal circumcision is a contributing factor in the
> > prevention
> >> > of this
> >> > > > >disease.
> >> > >
> >> > > Phimosis and para phimosis are not diseases. Besides, in the
> > small
> >> > number of
> >> > > men where the foreskin cannot be retracted the "treatment" is
a
> >> > simple
> >> > > incision.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Is cancer of the penis common elsewhere? I didn't know it
was
> >> > > > vulnerable to cancer until I read circumsion debates.
> >> > >
> >> > > As a physician I've never heard of a case.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I suppose you got cut? Your sour grapes stance is obvious to
> > all,
> >> > > > asshole. The malignant men who actively encourage circumsion
> > for
> >> > > > reasons other than religion ought to be neutered.
> >> > >
> >> > > Why should it be lawful just because someone belongs to a
silly
> >> > religion? If
> >> > > someone belonged to a primitive religion where all children
had
> > to
> >> > have
> >> > > their earlobes cut off (hey they're useless) or had their nose
or
> >> > lips
> >> > > sliced open we would consider it abuse and of course if done
to a
> >> > female is
> >> > > mutilation. lol Circumcision is a primitive rite of passage
done
> > at
> >> > about
> >> > > the age of puberty, jews do it a week after birth as the mark
of
> > a
> >> > jew.
> >> > > Remember that nonsense in the bible about a covenant between
god
> > and
> >> > the
> >> > > jews? Every male had to be circumcised including the male
> > animals!
> >> > Every
> >> > > male donkey, sheep, bull, camel, horse haha
> >> >
> >> > Torah makes GO(o)D sense, IMHO. Every tradition and Every rite
> >> > has a valuable purpose in mind, it hasn't failed, and it never
will
> >> > to cultivate the spirit of mankind.
> >> >
> >> > Shalom
> >>
> >> So if it said that god wants you to swing a chicken around your
head
> >> everyday you'd do it? haha
> >>
> >
> > Thank God he doesn't, cause their is no proof of benefit.
> > "faith, with out works is dead"
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >
> Isn't it works without faith is dead?
Which came first do you believe? Moses *faith* or the
parting of the Red Sea? By the same token which comes
first, faith in your Boss, or your paycheck?
By the same token, which comes first, faith that
the sun will come up, or it peaking over the horizon.
Was i wrong to suggest "faith without works is dead"?
As in a dead battery, that's no good, and doesn't work
to begin with? Blind Faith is what you are thinking of
maybe. but i don't have any, see!
bd4u
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| | From: | fallout | | Subject: | Re: OT circumcision | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:32:42 -0600 |
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wrote in message
news:1106512425.009402.203480@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> fallout wrote:
>> wrote in message
>> news:1106451225.354119.289520@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Avenger wrote:
>> >> wrote in message
>> >> news:1106447062.989852.9670@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > Avenger wrote:
>> >> > > "Latro" wrote in message
>> >> > > news:j8j5v0pfuo4ungmb50e1d0hrsmovhq5o2a@4ax.com...
>> >> > > > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:48:42 GMT, Mad Mambo Master of
> Macedonia
>> >> > > > wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > >From Pubmed:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >Crit Rev Oncol Hematol. 2005 Feb;53(2):165-177.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Cancer of the penis.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Mosconi AM, Roila F, Gatta G, Theodore C.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Ospedale Policlinico Monteluce, Perugia, Italy.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Cancer of the penis is rare in Europe, accounting for
> less
>> >> > than 0.5%
>> >> > > of
>> >> > > > >all cancers.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > That's 1/2 of 1% of all people who have cancer, not of the
> male
>> >> > population
>> >> > > at large.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Phimosis and poor hygiene are strong risk factors whereas
>> >> > > > >neonatal circumcision is a contributing factor in the
>> > prevention
>> >> > of this
>> >> > > > >disease.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Phimosis and para phimosis are not diseases. Besides, in the
>> > small
>> >> > number of
>> >> > > men where the foreskin cannot be retracted the "treatment" is
> a
>> >> > simple
>> >> > > incision.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Is cancer of the penis common elsewhere? I didn't know it
> was
>> >> > > > vulnerable to cancer until I read circumsion debates.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > As a physician I've never heard of a case.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I suppose you got cut? Your sour grapes stance is obvious to
>> > all,
>> >> > > > asshole. The malignant men who actively encourage circumsion
>> > for
>> >> > > > reasons other than religion ought to be neutered.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Why should it be lawful just because someone belongs to a
> silly
>> >> > religion? If
>> >> > > someone belonged to a primitive religion where all children
> had
>> > to
>> >> > have
>> >> > > their earlobes cut off (hey they're useless) or had their nose
> or
>> >> > lips
>> >> > > sliced open we would consider it abuse and of course if done
> to a
>> >> > female is
>> >> > > mutilation. lol Circumcision is a primitive rite of passage
> done
>> > at
>> >> > about
>> >> > > the age of puberty, jews do it a week after birth as the mark
> of
>> > a
>> >> > jew.
>> >> > > Remember that nonsense in the bible about a covenant between
> god
>> > and
>> >> > the
>> >> > > jews? Every male had to be circumcised including the male
>> > animals!
>> >> > Every
>> >> > > male donkey, sheep, bull, camel, horse haha
>> >> >
>> >> > Torah makes GO(o)D sense, IMHO. Every tradition and Every rite
>> >> > has a valuable purpose in mind, it hasn't failed, and it never
> will
>> >> > to cultivate the spirit of mankind.
>> >> >
>> >> > Shalom
>> >>
>> >> So if it said that god wants you to swing a chicken around your
> head
>> >> everyday you'd do it? haha
>> >>
>> >
>> > Thank God he doesn't, cause their is no proof of benefit.
>> > "faith, with out works is dead"
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >
>> Isn't it works without faith is dead?
>
> Which came first do you believe? Moses *faith* or the
> parting of the Red Sea? By the same token which comes
> first, faith in your Boss, or your paycheck?
> By the same token, which comes first, faith that
> the sun will come up, or it peaking over the horizon.
>
> Was i wrong to suggest "faith without works is dead"?
> As in a dead battery, that's no good, and doesn't work
> to begin with? Blind Faith is what you are thinking of
> maybe. but i don't have any, see!
>
> bd4u
>
i was wrong (again)
James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Sorry Gigo
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| | From: | August Pamplona | | Subject: | Re: OT circumcision | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:45:38 -0600 |
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| gigo448@netscape.net wrote:
> fallout wrote:
>
>> wrote in message
>>news:1106451225.354119.289520@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>Avenger wrote:
>>>
>>>> wrote in message
>>>>news:1106447062.989852.9670@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Avenger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Latro" wrote in message
>>>>>>news:j8j5v0pfuo4ungmb50e1d0hrsmovhq5o2a@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:48:42 GMT, Mad Mambo Master of
>
> Macedonia
>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>From Pubmed:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Crit Rev Oncol Hematol. 2005 Feb;53(2):165-177.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cancer of the penis.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mosconi AM, Roila F, Gatta G, Theodore C.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ospedale Policlinico Monteluce, Perugia, Italy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cancer of the penis is rare in Europe, accounting for
>
> less
>
>>>>>than 0.5%
>>>>>
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>all cancers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's 1/2 of 1% of all people who have cancer, not of the
>
> male
>
>>>>>population
>>>>>
>>>>>>at large.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phimosis and poor hygiene are strong risk factors whereas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>neonatal circumcision is a contributing factor in the
>>>
>>>prevention
>>>
>>>>>of this
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>disease.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Phimosis and para phimosis are not diseases. Besides, in the
>>>
>>>small
>>>
>>>>>number of
>>>>>
>>>>>>men where the foreskin cannot be retracted the "treatment" is
>
> a
>
>>>>>simple
>>>>>
>>>>>>incision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is cancer of the penis common elsewhere? I didn't know it
>
> was
>
>>>>>>>vulnerable to cancer until I read circumsion debates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As a physician I've never heard of a case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I suppose you got cut? Your sour grapes stance is obvious to
>>>
>>>all,
>>>
>>>>>>>asshole. The malignant men who actively encourage circumsion
>>>
>>>for
>>>
>>>>>>>reasons other than religion ought to be neutered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why should it be lawful just because someone belongs to a
>
> silly
>
>>>>>religion? If
>>>>>
>>>>>>someone belonged to a primitive religion where all children
>
> had
>
>>>to
>>>
>>>>>have
>>>>>
>>>>>>their earlobes cut off (hey they're useless) or had their nose
>
> or
>
>>>>>lips
>>>>>
>>>>>>sliced open we would consider it abuse and of course if done
>
> to a
>
>>>>>female is
>>>>>
>>>>>>mutilation. lol Circumcision is a primitive rite of passage
>
> done
>
>>>at
>>>
>>>>>about
>>>>>
>>>>>>the age of puberty, jews do it a week after birth as the mark
>
> of
>
>>>a
>>>
>>>>>jew.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Remember that nonsense in the bible about a covenant between
>
> god
>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>jews? Every male had to be circumcised including the male
>>>
>>>animals!
>>>
>>>>>Every
>>>>>
>>>>>>male donkey, sheep, bull, camel, horse haha
>>>>>
>>>>>Torah makes GO(o)D sense, IMHO. Every tradition and Every rite
>>>>>has a valuable purpose in mind, it hasn't failed, and it never
>
> will
>
>>>>>to cultivate the spirit of mankind.
>>>>>
>>>>>Shalom
>>>>
>>>>So if it said that god wants you to swing a chicken around your
>
> head
>
>>>>everyday you'd do it? haha
>>>>
>>>
>>>Thank God he doesn't, cause their is no proof of benefit.
>>>"faith, with out works is dead"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Isn't it works without faith is dead?
>
>
> Which came first do you believe? Moses *faith* or the
> parting of the Red Sea? By the same token which comes
> first, faith in your Boss, or your paycheck?
> By the same token, which comes first, faith that
> the sun will come up, or it peaking over the horizon.
>
> Was i wrong to suggest "faith without works is dead"?
> As in a dead battery, that's no good, and doesn't work
> to begin with? Blind Faith is what you are thinking of
> maybe. but i don't have any, see!
>
> bd4u
All faith is blind.
August Pamplona
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| | From: | Riain Y. Barton | | Subject: | Re: OT circumcision | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:50:51 -0500 |
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| In your opinion...
"August Pamplona" wrote in message
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| All faith is blind.
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| August Pamplona
| --
| The waterfall in Java is not wet.
| - omegazero2003 on m.f.w.
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| | From: | August Pamplona | | Subject: | Re: OT circumcision | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:09:38 -0600 |
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| Riain Y. Barton wrote:
> In your opinion...
>
>
>
> "August Pamplona" wrote in message
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> | All faith is blind.
> |
> | August Pamplona
I guess it depends on what one means by blind. In this context, I've
always thought that it is meant as a metaphor to represent not being
backed up by anything real. By definition, this is the case. It is
particularly the case in the context of what Christians are supposed to
strive for when they speak of faith. From what I've read, for Jews
[noting that this is crossposted to soc.culture.jewish] questioning of
matters of faith is encouraged more by the religion but ultimately the
religious matters (God, etc.) are still to be accepted on faith that is
no different than that of the Christians since there's still no
perceptible reality to back it up).
So, unless you mean anything else by blind (in this context), yes, all
faith is blind.
August Pamplona
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