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 | | From: | gigo448 at netscape.net | | Subject: | Re: OT circumcision | | Date: | 22 Jan 2005 19:33:45 -0800 |
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Avenger wrote:
> wrote in message
> news:1106447062.989852.9670@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Avenger wrote:
> > > "Latro" wrote in message
> > > news:j8j5v0pfuo4ungmb50e1d0hrsmovhq5o2a@4ax.com...
> > > > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:48:42 GMT, Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >From Pubmed:
> > > > >
> > > > >Crit Rev Oncol Hematol. 2005 Feb;53(2):165-177.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cancer of the penis.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mosconi AM, Roila F, Gatta G, Theodore C.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ospedale Policlinico Monteluce, Perugia, Italy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cancer of the penis is rare in Europe, accounting for less
> > than 0.5%
> > > of
> > > > >all cancers.
> > >
> > > That's 1/2 of 1% of all people who have cancer, not of the male
> > population
> > > at large.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Phimosis and poor hygiene are strong risk factors whereas
> > > > >neonatal circumcision is a contributing factor in the
prevention
> > of this
> > > > >disease.
> > >
> > > Phimosis and para phimosis are not diseases. Besides, in the
small
> > number of
> > > men where the foreskin cannot be retracted the "treatment" is a
> > simple
> > > incision.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Is cancer of the penis common elsewhere? I didn't know it was
> > > > vulnerable to cancer until I read circumsion debates.
> > >
> > > As a physician I've never heard of a case.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I suppose you got cut? Your sour grapes stance is obvious to
all,
> > > > asshole. The malignant men who actively encourage circumsion
for
> > > > reasons other than religion ought to be neutered.
> > >
> > > Why should it be lawful just because someone belongs to a silly
> > religion? If
> > > someone belonged to a primitive religion where all children had
to
> > have
> > > their earlobes cut off (hey they're useless) or had their nose or
> > lips
> > > sliced open we would consider it abuse and of course if done to a
> > female is
> > > mutilation. lol Circumcision is a primitive rite of passage done
at
> > about
> > > the age of puberty, jews do it a week after birth as the mark of
a
> > jew.
> > > Remember that nonsense in the bible about a covenant between god
and
> > the
> > > jews? Every male had to be circumcised including the male
animals!
> > Every
> > > male donkey, sheep, bull, camel, horse haha
> >
> > Torah makes GO(o)D sense, IMHO. Every tradition and Every rite
> > has a valuable purpose in mind, it hasn't failed, and it never will
> > to cultivate the spirit of mankind.
> >
> > Shalom
>
> So if it said that god wants you to swing a chicken around your head
> everyday you'd do it? haha
>
Thank God he doesn't, cause their is no proof of benefit.
"faith, with out works is dead"
>
> >
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| | From: | fallout | | Subject: | Re: OT circumcision | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:03:15 -0600 |
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wrote in message
news:1106451225.354119.289520@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Avenger wrote:
>> wrote in message
>> news:1106447062.989852.9670@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Avenger wrote:
>> > > "Latro" wrote in message
>> > > news:j8j5v0pfuo4ungmb50e1d0hrsmovhq5o2a@4ax.com...
>> > > > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:48:42 GMT, Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >From Pubmed:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Crit Rev Oncol Hematol. 2005 Feb;53(2):165-177.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cancer of the penis.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Mosconi AM, Roila F, Gatta G, Theodore C.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Ospedale Policlinico Monteluce, Perugia, Italy.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cancer of the penis is rare in Europe, accounting for less
>> > than 0.5%
>> > > of
>> > > > >all cancers.
>> > >
>> > > That's 1/2 of 1% of all people who have cancer, not of the male
>> > population
>> > > at large.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Phimosis and poor hygiene are strong risk factors whereas
>> > > > >neonatal circumcision is a contributing factor in the
> prevention
>> > of this
>> > > > >disease.
>> > >
>> > > Phimosis and para phimosis are not diseases. Besides, in the
> small
>> > number of
>> > > men where the foreskin cannot be retracted the "treatment" is a
>> > simple
>> > > incision.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Is cancer of the penis common elsewhere? I didn't know it was
>> > > > vulnerable to cancer until I read circumsion debates.
>> > >
>> > > As a physician I've never heard of a case.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I suppose you got cut? Your sour grapes stance is obvious to
> all,
>> > > > asshole. The malignant men who actively encourage circumsion
> for
>> > > > reasons other than religion ought to be neutered.
>> > >
>> > > Why should it be lawful just because someone belongs to a silly
>> > religion? If
>> > > someone belonged to a primitive religion where all children had
> to
>> > have
>> > > their earlobes cut off (hey they're useless) or had their nose or
>> > lips
>> > > sliced open we would consider it abuse and of course if done to a
>> > female is
>> > > mutilation. lol Circumcision is a primitive rite of passage done
> at
>> > about
>> > > the age of puberty, jews do it a week after birth as the mark of
> a
>> > jew.
>> > > Remember that nonsense in the bible about a covenant between god
> and
>> > the
>> > > jews? Every male had to be circumcised including the male
> animals!
>> > Every
>> > > male donkey, sheep, bull, camel, horse haha
>> >
>> > Torah makes GO(o)D sense, IMHO. Every tradition and Every rite
>> > has a valuable purpose in mind, it hasn't failed, and it never will
>> > to cultivate the spirit of mankind.
>> >
>> > Shalom
>>
>> So if it said that god wants you to swing a chicken around your head
>> everyday you'd do it? haha
>>
>
> Thank God he doesn't, cause their is no proof of benefit.
> "faith, with out works is dead"
>
>
>>
>> >
>
Isn't it works without faith is dead?
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| | From: | August Pamplona | | Subject: | Re: OT circumcision | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:44:13 -0600 |
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| fallout wrote:
> wrote in message
> news:1106451225.354119.289520@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Avenger wrote:
>>
>>> wrote in message
>>>news:1106447062.989852.9670@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>>Avenger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Latro" wrote in message
>>>>>news:j8j5v0pfuo4ungmb50e1d0hrsmovhq5o2a@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:48:42 GMT, Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From Pubmed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Crit Rev Oncol Hematol. 2005 Feb;53(2):165-177.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cancer of the penis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mosconi AM, Roila F, Gatta G, Theodore C.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ospedale Policlinico Monteluce, Perugia, Italy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cancer of the penis is rare in Europe, accounting for less
>>>>
>>>>than 0.5%
>>>>
>>>>>of
>>>>>
>>>>>>>all cancers.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's 1/2 of 1% of all people who have cancer, not of the male
>>>>
>>>>population
>>>>
>>>>>at large.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Phimosis and poor hygiene are strong risk factors whereas
>>>>>
>>>>>>>neonatal circumcision is a contributing factor in the
>>
>>prevention
>>
>>>>of this
>>>>
>>>>>>>disease.
>>>>>
>>>>>Phimosis and para phimosis are not diseases. Besides, in the
>>
>>small
>>
>>>>number of
>>>>
>>>>>men where the foreskin cannot be retracted the "treatment" is a
>>>>
>>>>simple
>>>>
>>>>>incision.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Is cancer of the penis common elsewhere? I didn't know it was
>>>>>>vulnerable to cancer until I read circumsion debates.
>>>>>
>>>>>As a physician I've never heard of a case.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I suppose you got cut? Your sour grapes stance is obvious to
>>
>>all,
>>
>>>>>>asshole. The malignant men who actively encourage circumsion
>>
>>for
>>
>>>>>>reasons other than religion ought to be neutered.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why should it be lawful just because someone belongs to a silly
>>>>
>>>>religion? If
>>>>
>>>>>someone belonged to a primitive religion where all children had
>>
>>to
>>
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>>their earlobes cut off (hey they're useless) or had their nose or
>>>>
>>>>lips
>>>>
>>>>>sliced open we would consider it abuse and of course if done to a
>>>>
>>>>female is
>>>>
>>>>>mutilation. lol Circumcision is a primitive rite of passage done
>>
>>at
>>
>>>>about
>>>>
>>>>>the age of puberty, jews do it a week after birth as the mark of
>>
>>a
>>
>>>>jew.
>>>>
>>>>>Remember that nonsense in the bible about a covenant between god
>>
>>and
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>jews? Every male had to be circumcised including the male
>>
>>animals!
>>
>>>>Every
>>>>
>>>>>male donkey, sheep, bull, camel, horse haha
>>>>
>>>>Torah makes GO(o)D sense, IMHO. Every tradition and Every rite
>>>>has a valuable purpose in mind, it hasn't failed, and it never will
>>>>to cultivate the spirit of mankind.
>>>>
>>>>Shalom
>>>
>>>So if it said that god wants you to swing a chicken around your head
>>>everyday you'd do it? haha
>>>
>>
>>Thank God he doesn't, cause their is no proof of benefit.
>>"faith, with out works is dead"
>>
>>
>>
> Isn't it works without faith is dead?
Maybe it depends on whether you're a Catholic or a Protestant.
August Pamplona
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| | From: | August Pamplona | | Subject: | Re: OT circumcision | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:14:41 -0600 |
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| gigo448@netscape.net wrote:
>August Pamplona wrote:
>> fallout wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>So if it said that god wants you to swing a chicken around your >
>>>>head everyday you'd do it? haha
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Thank God he doesn't, cause their is no proof of benefit.
>> >>"faith, with out works is dead"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Isn't it works without faith is dead?
>> > Maybe it depends
>Why should it depend?
Catholics are a bit more into works whereas Protestants are into the
whole salvation by grace thing (works don't matter at all). How much
this overlaps with the faith issue, I cannot tell so that's why I wrote
maybe.
August Pamplona
P.S. Sorry about the misthreading. My news reader couldn't handle your
message for some strange reason.
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| | From: | Riain Y. Barton | | Subject: | Re: OT circumcision | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:53:03 -0500 |
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| Then debate your pagan idol-worshipping religion on alt.christianity and not
soc.culture.jewish !!!!!!!!!!!!!
"August Pamplona" wrote in message
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| Catholics are a bit more into works whereas Protestants are into the
| whole salvation by grace thing (works don't matter at all). How much
| this overlaps with the faith issue, I cannot tell so that's why I wrote
| maybe.
|
| August Pamplona
| P.S. Sorry about the misthreading. My news reader couldn't handle your
| message for some strange reason.
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| | From: | Riain Y. Barton | | Subject: | Re: OT circumcision | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:51:24 -0500 |
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| Then why are you posting to a Jewish newsgroup????????
"August Pamplona" wrote in message
news:35igidF4olmu7U2@individual.net...
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| Maybe it depends on whether you're a Catholic or a Protestant.
|
| August Pamplona
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| | From: | The Babaloughesian | | Subject: | Re: OT circumcision | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:16:18 -0500 |
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"Riain Y. Barton" wrote in message
news:5OWdnaI9tL7ipWncRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
> Then why are you posting to a Jewish newsgroup????????
The same reason you are posting to alt.support.shyness, misc.kids, and
soc.men-- this thread is crossposted!
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| | From: | Dolores | | Subject: | Re: OT circumcision | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:00:29 -0800 |
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| fallout wrote:
> wrote in message
> news:1106451225.354119.289520@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Avenger wrote:
>>
>>> wrote in message
>>>news:1106447062.989852.9670@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>>Avenger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Latro" wrote in message
>>>>>news:j8j5v0pfuo4ungmb50e1d0hrsmovhq5o2a@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:48:42 GMT, Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From Pubmed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Crit Rev Oncol Hematol. 2005 Feb;53(2):165-177.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cancer of the penis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mosconi AM, Roila F, Gatta G, Theodore C.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ospedale Policlinico Monteluce, Perugia, Italy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cancer of the penis is rare in Europe, accounting for less
>>>>
>>>>than 0.5%
>>>>
>>>>>of
>>>>>
>>>>>>>all cancers.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's 1/2 of 1% of all people who have cancer, not of the male
>>>>
>>>>population
>>>>
>>>>>at large.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Phimosis and poor hygiene are strong risk factors whereas
>>>>>
>>>>>>>neonatal circumcision is a contributing factor in the
>>
>>prevention
>>
>>>>of this
>>>>
>>>>>>>disease.
>>>>>
>>>>>Phimosis and para phimosis are not diseases. Besides, in the
>>
>>small
>>
>>>>number of
>>>>
>>>>>men where the foreskin cannot be retracted the "treatment" is a
>>>>
>>>>simple
>>>>
>>>>>incision.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Is cancer of the penis common elsewhere? I didn't know it was
>>>>>>vulnerable to cancer until I read circumsion debates.
>>>>>
>>>>>As a physician I've never heard of a case.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I suppose you got cut? Your sour grapes stance is obvious to
>>
>>all,
>>
>>>>>>asshole. The malignant men who actively encourage circumsion
>>
>>for
>>
>>>>>>reasons other than religion ought to be neutered.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why should it be lawful just because someone belongs to a silly
>>>>
>>>>religion? If
>>>>
>>>>>someone belonged to a primitive religion where all children had
>>
>>to
>>
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>>their earlobes cut off (hey they're useless) or had their nose or
>>>>
>>>>lips
>>>>
>>>>>sliced open we would consider it abuse and of course if done to a
>>>>
>>>>female is
>>>>
>>>>>mutilation. lol Circumcision is a primitive rite of passage done
>>
>>at
>>
>>>>about
>>>>
>>>>>the age of puberty, jews do it a week after birth as the mark of
>>
>>a
>>
>>>>jew.
>>>>
>>>>>Remember that nonsense in the bible about a covenant between god
>>
>>and
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>jews? Every male had to be circumcised including the male
>>
>>animals!
>>
>>>>Every
>>>>
>>>>>male donkey, sheep, bull, camel, horse haha
>>>>
>>>>Torah makes GO(o)D sense, IMHO. Every tradition and Every rite
>>>>has a valuable purpose in mind, it hasn't failed, and it never will
>>>>to cultivate the spirit of mankind.
>>>>
>>>>Shalom
>>>
>>>So if it said that god wants you to swing a chicken around your head
>>>everyday you'd do it? haha
>>>
>>
>>Thank God he doesn't, cause their is no proof of benefit.
>>"faith, with out works is dead"
>>
>>
>>
> Isn't it works without faith is dead?
>
>
No, it's definitely "Faith without works is dead". Besides, "Works
without faith is dead" is a grammatical nightmare.
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