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 | | From: | Jessica | | Subject: | Feminism and Republicans/Democrats | | Date: | 13 Nov 2004 17:22:15 -0500 |
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 | When did Republicans change from the party that supported suffrage, to
the party that opposed "women's lib" and modern feminism (i.e., people
like Rush Limbaugh referring to feminists as "Feminazis", etc.)?
It boggles the mind to see an historical footnotes like these:
January 10, 1878
U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduces Susan B. Anthony
amendment for women’s suffrage; Democrat-controlled Senate
defeated it 4 times before election of Republican House and Senate
guaranteed its approval in 1919
In 1869 the Wyoming Territory in the United States (a very red
state--my note) became the first modern polity where equal suffrage
was extended to women.
....And then you see how Republicans, in modern history, have almost
consistently opposed "women's rights" issues (abortion, ERA, etc.).
Does anyone know, or can anyone point me to a web site that explains
this seemingly strange phenomenon?
Thanks,
Jessica
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| | From: | Dan Holzman | | Subject: | Re: Feminism and Republicans/Democrats | | Date: | 15 Nov 2004 14:45:45 -0500 |
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| In article <5b54cc6b.0411122238.7f6d13a4@posting.google.com>,
Jessica wrote:
>When did Republicans change from the party that supported suffrage, to
>the party that opposed "women's lib" and modern feminism (i.e., people
>like Rush Limbaugh referring to feminists as "Feminazis", etc.)?
It's important to note that American racism and ism inextricibly
linked.
The timeline goes something like this: Republican President Lincoln
didn't permit the South to seceede, and the 13-15th Amendments were
passed. The South became solidly Democratic because the Democrats
were not the Republicans. Fast forward from the 1860s to the 1960s.
Democratic President Kennedy enforces civil rights law and ends
de jure segregation in the South. Republican Candidate Nixon tells
the South that their institutions of racism and ism will find a
home in the Republican party. The South switches and the Republicans
have been courting them ever since.
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| | From: | Madhusudan Singh | | Subject: | Re: Feminism and Republicans/Democrats | | Date: | 16 Nov 2004 10:05:24 -0500 |
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| Dan Holzman wrote:
> The timeline goes something like this: Republican President Lincoln
> didn't permit the South to seceede, and the 13-15th Amendments were
> passed. The South became solidly Democratic because the Democrats
> were not the Republicans. Fast forward from the 1860s to the 1960s.
More than that. The slavery supporters were mostly Democrats (except
Lincoln's Vice President). The Republicans were a relatively new party in
1860. Its hard to imagine that just not being a new party would have been
enough reason for people to become Democrats.
> Democratic President Kennedy enforces civil rights law and ends
> de jure segregation in the South. Republican Candidate Nixon tells
Kennedy actually did not do much to end racism. It was his successor, LBJ,
who took the necessary steps (civil rights act, etc.). However, you forgot
to mention that the civil rights act passed with heavy Republican support.
Prior to early 70's, the Republicans were the liberals, championing civil
rights acts, desegregation and women's rights.
Their dalliance with dixiecrats started changing the nature of the GOP, as
did the expulsion of the dixiecrats start changing the nature of the
Democratic party.
And of course, the abortion issue made liberal women and GOP political
rivals.
Its instructive to compare an electoral college map from the 20's with one
today. Nearly complete reverse of each other.
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| | From: | Denise noe | | Subject: | Re: Feminism and Republicans/Democrats | | Date: | 16 Nov 2004 10:05:24 -0500 |
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| << myobrules@yahoo.com (Jessica)
Date: Sat, Nov 13, 2004 5:22 PM >>
<< When did Republicans change from the party that supported suffrage, to
the party that opposed "women's lib" and modern feminism (i.e., people
like Rush Limbaugh referring to feminists as "Feminazis", etc.)?
It boggles the mind to see an historical footnotes like these:
January 10, 1878
U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduces Susan B. Anthony
amendment for women’s suffrage; Democrat-controlled Senate
defeated it 4 times before election of Republican House and Senate
guaranteed its approval in 1919
In 1869 the Wyoming Territory in the United States (a very red
state--my note) became the first modern polity where equal suffrage
was extended to women.
....And then you see how Republicans, in modern history, have almost
consistently opposed "women's rights" issues (abortion, ERA, etc.).
Does anyone know, or can anyone point me to a web site that explains
this seemingly strange phenomenon? >>
(Denise Noe) Republicans would probably reply that there is no contradiction at
all. After all, the first wave of the women's movement believe strongly that
abortion was criminal. Indeed, when the National Organization for Women was
formed, it took no position on abortion. It was formed in response to a court
ruling allowing newspapers to classify jobs by gender. The next year, NOW took
the legalizing abortion position and expelled one of its founding mothers,
Grace Olivarez, because she believed in keeping it a crime.
Phyllis Schlafly has said that she would have supported the woman's suffrage
amendment "because it gave women a right they didn't have in half the states.
At the time it was passed, half the states allowed women to vote and the other
half didn't." She argued against ERA primarily on the grounds that it would
"take rights away from women," specifically and most importantly the right to
be supported by their husbands and the privilege (not really a legal right) of
an exemption from the draft.
When Susan B. Anthony first voted illegally -- her votes of course didn't
count -- she voted the straight Republican ticket. If she were alive today,
it's likely she would support Republicans. Like the other suffragists, she was
strongly in favor of criminal penalties for abortion.
The suffragists has a utopian flavor to their beliefs and movement. They
believed abortion was an evil that the empowerment of women would eliminate.
Of course, time proved them wrong on that as illegal abortions continued
unabated after the passage of the 19th Amendment.
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Denise Noe
Koko the Signing Gorilla says: "Fine animal gorilla."
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| | From: | Michael Snyder | | Subject: | Re: Feminism and Republicans/Democrats | | Date: | 19 Nov 2004 09:42:07 -0500 |
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| "Denise noe" wrote:
> Phyllis Schlafly has said that she would have supported the woman's
> suffrage
> amendment "because it gave women a right they didn't have in half the
> states.
> At the time it was passed, half the states allowed women to vote and the
> other
> half didn't."
More than half. Women had the vote in 27 states and the Alaskan Territory
in 1919.
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| | From: | Michael Snyder | | Subject: | Re: Feminism and Republicans/Democrats | | Date: | 19 Nov 2004 09:42:06 -0500 |
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| "Jessica" wrote:
> When did Republicans change from the party that supported suffrage, to
> the party that opposed "women's lib" and modern feminism (i.e., people
> like Rush Limbaugh referring to feminists as "Feminazis", etc.)?
>
> It boggles the mind to see an historical footnotes like these:
>
> January 10, 1878
> U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduces Susan B. Anthony
> amendment for women’s suffrage; Democrat-controlled Senate
> defeated it 4 times before election of Republican House and Senate
> guaranteed its approval in 1919
>
> In 1869 the Wyoming Territory in the United States (a very red
> state--my note) became the first modern polity where equal suffrage
> was extended to women.
>
> ...And then you see how Republicans, in modern history, have almost
> consistently opposed "women's rights" issues (abortion, ERA, etc.).
>
> Does anyone know, or can anyone point me to a web site that explains
> this seemingly strange phenomenon?
Don't forget that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. The Republican
party of Lincoln's time was not the same political entity as the Republican
party of today. A century and a half have passed. Corporate entities
evolve.
As for the 19th amendment, I think of it as a natural manifestation
of the end of the Victorian era. Times were changing, people were
casting off a very repressive mind set. After all, the vote had been
taken away from women at the onset of the Victorian era. And with
its end -- only a year or two after the 19th amendment, as a matter
of fact -- we saw the Roaring Twenties (a backlash if I ever saw one!)
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| | From: | Madhusudan Singh | | Subject: | Re: Feminism and Republicans/Democrats | | Date: | 15 Nov 2004 14:45:46 -0500 |
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| Jessica wrote:
> When did Republicans change from the party that supported suffrage, to
> the party that opposed "women's lib" and modern feminism (i.e., people
> like Rush Limbaugh referring to feminists as "Feminazis", etc.)?
>
> It boggles the mind to see an historical footnotes like these:
>
> January 10, 1878
> U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduces Susan B. Anthony
> amendment for women’s suffrage; Democrat-controlled Senate
> defeated it 4 times before election of Republican House and Senate
> guaranteed its approval in 1919
>
> In 1869 the Wyoming Territory in the United States (a very red
> state--my note) became the first modern polity where equal suffrage
> was extended to women.
>
> ...And then you see how Republicans, in modern history, have almost
> consistently opposed "women's rights" issues (abortion, ERA, etc.).
>
> Does anyone know, or can anyone point me to a web site that explains
> this seemingly strange phenomenon?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Jessica
>
One would imagine that abortion rights had something to do with it.
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