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 | | From: | Center for Communication | | Subject: | Airbrush This! Images of Women | | Date: | 7 Nov 2004 00:27:45 -0500 |
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 | In an Extreme Makeover/Victoria's Secret/Sex and the City world, how
much influence do the media wield in defining today's woman? By
projecting these idealized images of women, are magazines, television,
and movies wiping out the hard-won progress of the past 30 years?
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| | From: | SmartyPants | | Subject: | Re: Airbrush This! Images of Women | | Date: | 5 Jan 2005 10:39:17 -0500 |
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| Absolutely !!
Seriously, being a sensible guy, I have decided that if I want to have
coffee with a woman in the USA, I will have to convince her that I want
to have , then trick her into having coffee. This all about
objectification leaves us with a social scene where essentially no
woman can be found who will respond at all to a man who is not looking
for .
Sexism has consequences, freinds ! Society has been on this
downward spiral for a long time, and it is in fact such no one can be
found who likes to mingle, but it's easy to pick someone up (in a
santicified place like a bar of course)
like change off the sidewalk. Women have been objectified for so long
that now all her self image and value goes into her utility as a
object, she cannot relate to men who do not see her as a object
(I've been trying for decades),
and the response men have to this is to further objectify women as
objects because in fact that is the only way they can have anything to
do with women.
I have tried to get women who ostensibly 'like' me to have coffee. No
way in hell is it going to happen, because these same women will 'hook
up' with the most lying players (I've seen it happen, this year a full
4 out of 6 refused me for coffee and within two weeks 'got with' a
player I've seen lying through his teeth.
It is that bad her. We cannot even mingle, even in an
'intellectual' community. I am appalled that Americans imitate what
the TV set tells them they are, and copy the message in the magazines.
All these people with all these brains and yet no one can see what is
happening and try to stop it ?
We cannot connect with people outside of the bedroom, and in that
context, I sincerely doubt the bedroom connection could have any
'personal' component.
America is the hideous love child of the myths of past generations !
The woman from brazil (any one) will talk to me at once as a stranger
and a brother ! The american woman acts, insistently in fact, like
she has been groped when I utter pleasantries like 'how are you today'.
We have so objectified each other that we now have no context in which
to accept, understand, and participate in friendships. I cannot find a
woman in this 'progressive'Massachusetts valley who can handle having
coffee or - anything - except being picked up for , an I don't do
that. My sister and Mom are intelligent, self assured women. How come
American women are not this way too ? The media, the TV, the message
everywhere reinforces behavior that becomes, as it has, the only song
we know - and only . I would not put that on any woman, that
she should think about before she can decide she really likes me
personally, and no one can like anyone personally if you can't spend at
least 5 minutes together in person, which I have found women will not
do -- she thinks ''he doesnt want me'' ''I'm not attractive enough'' ..
just because I have the SENSE not to chase anyone to the bedroom, yet
the men who do chase women to the bedroom or backseat - do so with
ease.
That is the america we have made -- by extension too whereever this
**** touches the world via western influence. What kind of humanity
do we have when we can't make personal friends, or get to have fun
socially with each other, the only sanctified activity is the chase to
the bedroom. I am sure that there is no chance I will ever have that
cup of coffee with an American women. I've been trying for 27 years,
count 'em, and I have not had one taker yet - - except for the times I
flirted. You can go a decade without a knowing anyone here. What kind
of world is that ?? Yet I can (and I have)pick up a women and have
with her within 7 days, count 'em, if I just flirt -- well, because I
respect mother and sister, I can't bring myself to flirt with women, as
I'm always sure they could be as intelligent as them.
I have a message for you. You would not let me tell you who you are
and how to be. Why then, is it ok to let the collective message, the
culture, the summation of the me-s and you-s, define you 100% ??
As a man, and especially as a man who cannot access basic human
interaction, I advocate going to the newpaper stand (the outdoor kind)
with a can of gasoline and a book of matches. Be careful not to get
any on the poor fool selling that junk (important).
Getting americans to want to play smart enough to address the problem,
even if it means vast improvement in their quality of life, that is
another matter.
Burn the TV studio. Let them know who did it. Burn the magazine
stand. Let them know why.
Feminism is far from a woman's only issue. We share this world and it
is only what we make it. Plucking ourself from the overwhelming
ignorance we steep in today is another problem, but we did manaage to
go to the moon, so dream on.
- Geoff
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| | From: | Black Hat | | Subject: | Re: Airbrush This! Images of Women | | Date: | 21 Jan 2005 19:47:47 -0500 |
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| "I cannot find a
woman in this 'progressive'Massachusetts valley who can handle having coffee
or - anything - except being picked up for , an I don't do that. My
sister and Mom are intelligent, self assured women. How come American women
are not this way too ? "
I'm afraid Smarty Pants is terribly intimidated by all those "successful"
women he meets in his home town. I think his home town has a university in
it, or maybe a hospital. I have this problem myself, but I have a lot of
female friends. One of them even is a landscape architect.
I believe he's right that the American "media" makes relationships
between men and women a lot worse than they really are. I think the people
who write those articles are either 1) cowed by their editors to exagerrate
what they write or 2) a bunch of overidealistic, hypercritical Martha
Stewarts who would be all over God like a cheap suit if they were around
during the creation.
I wish I could hear from some women from a college town in Massachusetts
about this.
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