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 | | From: | calypso at voyger.com | | Subject: | Re: Campaign launched against dietary supplements | | Date: | 23 Jan 2005 19:42:39 GMT |
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I think this kind of "feel" good is what is being sold. In the selling
there is often a great point made about "increased energy" and other very
vague things. The only way we can know for sure if something works is to
test it wherethings like these mental things are not allowed to interfere.
The placebo effect is what the science people call it. That is why even
the person testing some new thing doesn't know which pill has the new
stuff and which has some typical thing like a sugar pill. Also if it is
not tested we don't know if someone would get better anyway. If I have a
cold and someone says take this pill and it will go away it will but not
because of the pill. But then I start to think it was the pill. This is
another reason we need things tested to see if they make a difference.
>The few homeopathic treatments I have taken have worked quite well with
>me so far and that is why i will spend some money on it the next time i
>feel i need treatment. And I do find that since i have included herbs
>in my diet I do feel generally healthier with improved energy and
>better mood. Amongst the people i know, the ones that claim that an
>alternative treatment does not and can not ever work are the ones that
>have never concidered ever trying it in the first place. And the ones
>that claim that something works are the ones that have tried it, liked
>it, and are themselves convinced that it works for them. After all,
>these alternative treatments do cost money, and people generally demand
>to get something when they pay for it. And as well many of these
>products do have a money back guarantee of somekind or another. It
>would be great if the expensive drugs prescribed by doctors could make
>the same offer.
>regards
>andrew vecsey
>
>Reading your signature below.... the only giant standing on your
>shoulders is the pharmaceutical industry.
>David Wright wrote:
>> In article <1106186711.686319.171410@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>> John G. wrote:
>> >I doubt that supplement sales would keep perenially rising if
>> >consumers felt they were wasting their time and money on
>> >useless crap.
>>
>> Ha ha ha. People keep going to palmists and astrologers and
>> homeopaths.
>>
>> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
>> These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
>> "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
>> were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
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| | From: | MC60614 | | Subject: | Re: Campaign launched against dietary supplements | | Date: | 23 Jan 2005 22:42:47 GMT |
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| The old Wives Tales as they are called often work. Chicken soup because the
fat, onion and garlic if desired, it Helps. Cranberry Juice for Blatter
infection, works. Vitamins help to. Michael
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| | From: | Robert | | Subject: | Re: Campaign launched against dietary supplements | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:30:49 -0800 |
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> I think this kind of "feel" good is what is being sold. In the selling
> there is often a great point made about "increased energy" and other very
> vague things. The only way we can know for sure if something works is to
> test it wherethings like these mental things are not allowed to interfere.
> The placebo effect is what the science people call it. That is why even
> the person testing some new thing doesn't know which pill has the new
> stuff and which has some typical thing like a sugar pill. Also if it is
> not tested we don't know if someone would get better anyway. If I have a
> cold and someone says take this pill and it will go away it will but not
> because of the pill. But then I start to think it was the pill. This is
> another reason we need things tested to see if they make a difference.
The role of medicine is to make people feel better and it should include the
use of placebos.
What the west calls placebo the east calls chi.
What about the negative placebo effect. Let's say a doctor spends 5 minutes
diagnosing you and gives you a pill. It was later found out that the pill
can cause deadly side effects in some people and that the pharm
manufacturers didn't tell people about.
How much confidence will you have on the doctor in the future and how much
confidence will you have on modern drugs in the future?
People are not very trustful of the "science".
What I am saying is that medicine is contextual.
Using your example, what if there was a drug that helped get rid of the cold
one day earlier than chicken soup does and the study released in science
magazine. It was later determined after years of long term study that the
drug causes leukemia.
What would be better for you in dealing with a cold?
Chicken soup and take the heckling from the modern med can do not harm group
or take the pill?
That is what those people in alternate health and supplements sell.
It should be supplemental with modern medicine and it should supply placebo.
People undergoing chemotherapy should have imagery therapy as well. You
visualize the cancer cells being destroyed as the chemo works. The best of
both worlds. You involve the patient and makes him an active participant and
gives him hope. Doctors are very inept at dealing with patients
psychological needs.
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> >The few homeopathic treatments I have taken have worked quite well with
> >me so far and that is why i will spend some money on it the next time i
> >feel i need treatment. And I do find that since i have included herbs
> >in my diet I do feel generally healthier with improved energy and
> >better mood. Amongst the people i know, the ones that claim that an
> >alternative treatment does not and can not ever work are the ones that
> >have never concidered ever trying it in the first place. And the ones
> >that claim that something works are the ones that have tried it, liked
> >it, and are themselves convinced that it works for them. After all,
> >these alternative treatments do cost money, and people generally demand
> >to get something when they pay for it. And as well many of these
> >products do have a money back guarantee of somekind or another. It
> >would be great if the expensive drugs prescribed by doctors could make
> >the same offer.
> >regards
> >andrew vecsey
> >
> >Reading your signature below.... the only giant standing on your
> >shoulders is the pharmaceutical industry.
> >David Wright wrote:
> >> In article <1106186711.686319.171410@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> >> John G. wrote:
> >> >I doubt that supplement sales would keep perenially rising if
> >> >consumers felt they were wasting their time and money on
> >> >useless crap.
> >>
> >> Ha ha ha. People keep going to palmists and astrologers and
> >> homeopaths.
> >>
> >> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
> >> These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
> >> "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
> >> were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
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