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 | | From: | unglued | | Subject: | Re: Stalking in Swedish | | Date: | 18 Jan 2005 06:16:20 -0800 |
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University Studies wrote:
> "unglued" wrote in message
> news:1105984925.849194.75320@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > University Studies wrote:
> > > "unglued" wrote in message
> > > news:1105970807.399221.78590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > > We recently had a case here in Sweden where a certified maniac
> > drove
> > > > his car at high speed down a pedestrian street in Stockholms
old
> > town
> > > > killing several people.
> > >
> > > They should have taught him morals. It's the Swedish
government's
> > job to
> > > teach people who have problems as to what the law is, how to obey
the
> > law,
> > > to teach them morals, etc.
> >
> > The Swedish government's job is to govern the country. Not to be
> > belated parents.
>
> It is, once a person is taken into custody by the police. That person
then
> comes under the charge and care of the Swedish government, and the
Swedish
> government is responsible for that person.
>
>
> > > There is no such thing as a "certified maniac". The
constitutions in
> > all of
> > > our countries require a person charged with a crime to be tried
in
> > court. He
> > > is innocent until proven guilty. If he is found guilty by a jury,
> > then he is
> > > convicted of that offense. He is "certified" as having committed
that
> > > particular crime.
> >
> > In Sweden, someone found guilty of commiting a crime while out of
their
> > minds is sentenced to "health care" not punished in the normal
sense of
> > the word.
>
> It is extremely rare someone gets off with this defense. Plus it is a
bogus
> defense. Most law abiding people want the insanity defense banned
because it
> is impossible to prove or disprove. It can allow dangerous criminals
to
> escape justice and be set freed after giving some "bogus excuses" as
to why
> he committed the crime. It is preposterous to suggest that an illness
can
> make a person break the law.
It can rearrange someone's priorities so that abiding by the law ends
up at the bottom of the pile or becomes irrelevant.
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| | From: | University Studies | | Subject: | Re: Stalking in Swedish | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:44:19 GMT |
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"unglued" wrote in message
news:1106057780.118542.302770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> University Studies wrote:
> > "unglued" wrote in message
> > news:1105984925.849194.75320@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > University Studies wrote:
> > > > "unglued" wrote in message
> > > > news:1105970807.399221.78590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We recently had a case here in Sweden where a certified maniac
> > > drove
> > > > > his car at high speed down a pedestrian street in Stockholms
> old
> > > town
> > > > > killing several people.
> > > >
> > > > They should have taught him morals. It's the Swedish
> government's
> > > job to
> > > > teach people who have problems as to what the law is, how to obey
> the
> > > law,
> > > > to teach them morals, etc.
> > >
> > > The Swedish government's job is to govern the country. Not to be
> > > belated parents.
> >
> > It is, once a person is taken into custody by the police. That person
> then
> > comes under the charge and care of the Swedish government, and the
> Swedish
> > government is responsible for that person.
> >
> >
> > > > There is no such thing as a "certified maniac". The
> constitutions in
> > > all of
> > > > our countries require a person charged with a crime to be tried
> in
> > > court. He
> > > > is innocent until proven guilty. If he is found guilty by a jury,
> > > then he is
> > > > convicted of that offense. He is "certified" as having committed
> that
> > > > particular crime.
> > >
> > > In Sweden, someone found guilty of commiting a crime while out of
> their
> > > minds is sentenced to "health care" not punished in the normal
> sense of
> > > the word.
> >
> > It is extremely rare someone gets off with this defense. Plus it is a
> bogus
> > defense. Most law abiding people want the insanity defense banned
> because it
> > is impossible to prove or disprove. It can allow dangerous criminals
> to
> > escape justice and be set freed after giving some "bogus excuses" as
> to why
> > he committed the crime. It is preposterous to suggest that an illness
> can
> > make a person break the law.
>
> It can rearrange someone's priorities so that abiding by the law ends
> up at the bottom of the pile or becomes irrelevant.
Nope. It's all still choice whether a person breaks the law. Some dislike
me bring up King Solomon's wisdom because they don't like hearing good
things about Israel's past, or even recognizing Israel's past.
King Solomon Moral Psychology
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=2453471
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| | From: | University Studies | | Subject: | Re: Stalking in Swedish | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:08:14 GMT |
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| "unglued" wrote in message
news:1105984925.849194.75320@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> University Studies wrote:
> > "unglued" wrote in message
> > news:1105970807.399221.78590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
>
> > >
> > > We recently had a case here in Sweden where a certified maniac
> drove
> > > his car at high speed down a pedestrian street in Stockholms old
> town
> > > killing several people.
> >
> > They should have taught him morals. It's the Swedish government's
> job to
> > teach people who have problems as to what the law is, how to obey the
> law,
> > to teach them morals, etc.
>
> The Swedish government's job is to govern the country. Not to be
> belated parents.
It is, once a person is taken into custody by the police. That person then
comes under the charge and care of the Swedish government, and the Swedish
government is responsible for that person.
> > There is no such thing as a "certified maniac". The constitutions in
> all of
> > our countries require a person charged with a crime to be tried in
> court. He
> > is innocent until proven guilty. If he is found guilty by a jury,
> then he is
> > convicted of that offense. He is "certified" as having committed that
> > particular crime.
>
> In Sweden, someone found guilty of commiting a crime while out of their
> minds is sentenced to "health care" not punished in the normal sense of
> the word.
It is extremely rare someone gets off with this defense. Plus it is a bogus
defense. Most law abiding people want the insanity defense banned because it
is impossible to prove or disprove. It can allow dangerous criminals to
escape justice and be set freed after giving some "bogus excuses" as to why
he committed the crime. It is preposterous to suggest that an illness can
make a person break the law.
If you want to accept it, go ahead. But all the scientific studies in the
world have shown there is no chemical, drug or illness that can "make a
person break the law". None.
During the 1950s and 60s as the Cold War began, the CIA spent large amounts
of money investigating all kinds of drugs to find out if any chemicals could
be used against Americans to make them become violent. None were found.
The drug LSD did, however, make a person stop sleeping for many days
straight, and in large doses LSD stops a person from sleeping for many weeks
straight. The prolonged sleep loss can cause a person to slur his words,
look disheveled, daydream a bit more and perhaps enter a mental health
facility to get lithium carbonate pills to bring back needed sleep. But the
fact is that LSD did not "make anyone break the law".
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