University Studies wrote:
> "unglued" wrote in message
> news:1105960919.283154.93690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > University Studies wrote:
> > > "unglued" wrote in message
> > > news:1105898079.953626.208820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This is because Sweden's crime rate is much lower than capitalist
> > > America's.crime rate. The jails in America are absolutely
> > overflowing and
> > > the police departments are basically corrupt with no oversight at
all
> > going
> > > on.
> >
> > The Swedish jails are also overflowing
>
> If you think Swedish jails are overlfowing, you haven't seen
America's
> jails. LOL

I haven't seen a Swedish jail either but I do know that the prisons are
so full that convicted criminals are kept in police drunk tanks or even
let lose.

>
> And all these prisoners in America are trying to be set free by
claiming
> they had a fake illness that made them break the law. This is
preposterous.
> It is a completely bogus defense. Any books that promote this should
be
> thrown in the garbage can. Any TV documentaries promoting this should
be
> banned from television. Here in America, it's a way for capitalist
> psychiatrists to earn quick, easy money They don't allow this bogus
defense
> in socialist countries.
>
> No illness can make a person break the law. If a person commits a
crime, he
> knows exactly what he is doing, and he is choosing to do it.
> http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/sup/fictional.html

We recently had a case here in Sweden where a certified maniac drove
his car at high speed down a pedestrian street in Stockholms old town
killing several people. He claimed that mysterious forces used remote
control to take over his car. Your claim that he made a rational choice
is nonsensical.

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:55:26 GMT

"unglued" wrote in message
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>
> University Studies wrote:
> > "unglued" wrote in message
> > news:1105960919.283154.93690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > University Studies wrote:
> > > > "unglued" wrote in message
> > > > news:1105898079.953626.208820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is because Sweden's crime rate is much lower than capitalist
> > > > America's.crime rate. The jails in America are absolutely
> > > overflowing and
> > > > the police departments are basically corrupt with no oversight at
> all
> > > going
> > > > on.
> > >
> > > The Swedish jails are also overflowing
> >
> > If you think Swedish jails are overlfowing, you haven't seen
> America's
> > jails. LOL
>
> I haven't seen a Swedish jail either but I do know that the prisons are
> so full that convicted criminals are kept in police drunk tanks or even
> let lose.
>
> >
> > And all these prisoners in America are trying to be set free by
> claiming
> > they had a fake illness that made them break the law. This is
> preposterous.
> > It is a completely bogus defense. Any books that promote this should
> be
> > thrown in the garbage can. Any TV documentaries promoting this should
> be
> > banned from television. Here in America, it's a way for capitalist
> > psychiatrists to earn quick, easy money They don't allow this bogus
> defense
> > in socialist countries.
> >
> > No illness can make a person break the law. If a person commits a
> crime, he
> > knows exactly what he is doing, and he is choosing to do it.
> > http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/sup/fictional.html
>
> We recently had a case here in Sweden where a certified maniac drove
> his car at high speed down a pedestrian street in Stockholms old town
> killing several people. He claimed that mysterious forces used remote
> control to take over his car. Your claim that he made a rational choice
> is nonsensical.

My statement was that no illness can make a person break the law. That
individual in Sweden chose to drive at high speed down that street.

As for the phrase you use "rational choice", well, no crime is rational
anyway. Every crime committed, especially the more serious ones, are always
irrational. But we cannot continue to say "these people have illnesses and
they shouldn't go to jail". That's a preposterous suggestion. This is what
they've been doing here in America for a long time and it doesn't work.

Also, there is no such thing as a "certified maniac". The only thing that is
"certified" is if a person commits a crime and he is tried in a court of law
for it, where he is found guilty. Then it is certified he has committed that
crime.

The statements that driver supposedly made about "mysterious forces used
remote control" may not have been what he actually said. The problem with
referring criminals to psychiatrists is that psychiatrists often make it
seem like the person said or believed something which that person actually
did not. Few people listen to these goofy statements supposedly made such
as "mysterious forces used".

If someone breaks the law, he is to be charged. If someone is law abiding,
then he is law abiding.

Such a case as the driver case you cite is extremely rare. But when it does
occur, it is because the person consciously chose to engage in that crime.
Most always, that person went 3 or 4 days straight with no sleep and was
angry, holding grudges, perhaps angry his car had problems. After he drove
down the street and committed those offenses, a few psychiatrists like to
make this sound like some crazy occurrence that only expensive psychiatrists
can deal with.

The various psychiatric terms we hear tossed around have been used so much
for practically anything, that they have no meaning anymore.

The Catholic Church has always taught its followers to ignore the psychology
field entirely because the terms contained in it are too complicated to help
people solve problems.

The psychology field tends to stretch grammar to make it seem like the
driver you mentioned merely needs psychiatric help, and that the government
should now release the person from jail and instead pay big money to
psychiatrists and counselors to "treat" the person. Most likely, that
driver had already been to psychiatric counseling before he committed those
crimes, and he wasn't given proper counseling about what the law is, how to
obey the law, how to forget grudges.

More and more Americans are calling for all people to be held accountable
for committing a crime. If somebody has, or had, an illness doesn't mean
anything. No illness can make a person break the law.

When such a driver is taken into custody, he must be held accountable. If he
is given counseling then he should be given moral counseling. Such
counseling should explain what the law is. He should be taught that all
people are equal under the law, and that every person is to be held
accountable for breaking the law.

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:49:15 GMT

"unglued" wrote in message
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>
> University Studies wrote:
> > "unglued" wrote in message
> > news:1105960919.283154.93690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > University Studies wrote:
> > > > "unglued" wrote in message
> > > > news:1105898079.953626.208820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is because Sweden's crime rate is much lower than capitalist
> > > > America's.crime rate. The jails in America are absolutely
> > > overflowing and
> > > > the police departments are basically corrupt with no oversight at
> all
> > > going
> > > > on.
> > >
> > > The Swedish jails are also overflowing
> >
> > If you think Swedish jails are overlfowing, you haven't seen
> America's
> > jails. LOL
>
> I haven't seen a Swedish jail either but I do know that the prisons are
> so full that convicted criminals are kept in police drunk tanks or even
> let lose.
>
> >
> > And all these prisoners in America are trying to be set free by
> claiming
> > they had a fake illness that made them break the law. This is
> preposterous.
> > It is a completely bogus defense. Any books that promote this should
> be
> > thrown in the garbage can. Any TV documentaries promoting this should
> be
> > banned from television. Here in America, it's a way for capitalist
> > psychiatrists to earn quick, easy money They don't allow this bogus
> defense
> > in socialist countries.
> >
> > No illness can make a person break the law. If a person commits a
> crime, he
> > knows exactly what he is doing, and he is choosing to do it.
> > http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/sup/fictional.html
>
> We recently had a case here in Sweden where a certified maniac drove
> his car at high speed down a pedestrian street in Stockholms old town
> killing several people.

They should have taught him morals. It's the Swedish government's job to
teach people who have problems as to what the law is, how to obey the law,
to teach them morals, etc.

There is no such thing as a "certified maniac". The constitutions in all of
our countries require a person charged with a crime to be tried in court. He
is innocent until proven guilty. If he is found guilty by a jury, then he is
convicted of that offense. He is "certified" as having committed that
particular crime.

If not, then a person cannot be certified as anything under the
Constitution. If you mean the person went into a mental health facility at
some point in the past, this means just means the person went 3 or 4 days
straight without sleep and went into a hospital to rest and get medication.
Hospitals have absolutely nothing to do with breaking the lawn, nor do they
house criminals.

If that individual you mention did originally commit a crime but was instead
placed in a mental health facility, well then that shows this is not how to
handle people who break the law.

The various psychiatric diagnoses we sometimes hear on TV have been used so
much for practically anything, they have no meaning anymore.
The Swedish government should also refrain from allowing any doctor to tell
a person he has a mental illness that can make him break the law. This is
done by denying government funding to any psychiatrist, psychologist,
counselor or TV channel which promotes this incorrect view.

Every person is to be held fully accountable for any crime he commits. An
illness cannot make a person break the law. Nor should anyone be taught
these foolish incorrect utterances.

http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/sup/fictional.html

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:51:19 GMT

"unglued" wrote in message
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>
> University Studies wrote:
> > "unglued" wrote in message
> > news:1105960919.283154.93690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > University Studies wrote:
> > > > "unglued" wrote in message
> > > > news:1105898079.953626.208820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is because Sweden's crime rate is much lower than capitalist
> > > > America's.crime rate. The jails in America are absolutely
> > > overflowing and
> > > > the police departments are basically corrupt with no oversight at
> all
> > > going
> > > > on.
> > >
> > > The Swedish jails are also overflowing
> >
> > If you think Swedish jails are overlfowing, you haven't seen
> America's
> > jails. LOL
>
> I haven't seen a Swedish jail either but I do know that the prisons are
> so full that convicted criminals are kept in police drunk tanks or even
> let lose.
>
> >
> > And all these prisoners in America are trying to be set free by
> claiming
> > they had a fake illness that made them break the law. This is
> preposterous.
> > It is a completely bogus defense. Any books that promote this should
> be
> > thrown in the garbage can. Any TV documentaries promoting this should
> be
> > banned from television. Here in America, it's a way for capitalist
> > psychiatrists to earn quick, easy money They don't allow this bogus
> defense
> > in socialist countries.
> >
> > No illness can make a person break the law. If a person commits a
> crime, he
> > knows exactly what he is doing, and he is choosing to do it.
> > http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/sup/fictional.html
>
> We recently had a case here in Sweden where a certified maniac drove
> his car at high speed down a pedestrian street in Stockholms old town
> killing several people.

They should have taught him morals. It's the Swedish government's job to
teach people who have problems as to what the law is, how to obey the law,
to teach them morals, etc.

There is no such thing as a "certified maniac". The constitutions in all of
our countries require a person charged with a crime to be tried in court. He
is innocent until proven guilty. If he is found guilty by a jury, then he is
convicted of that offense. He is "certified" as having committed that
particular crime.

If not, then a person cannot be certified as anything under the
Constitution. If you mean the person went into a mental health facility at
some point in the past, this just means the person went 3 or 4 days
straight without sleep and went into a hospital to rest and get medication.
Hospitals have absolutely nothing to do with breaking the law, nor do they
house criminals.

If that individual you mention did originally commit a crime, but was
instead
placed in a mental health facility, well then, that shows this is not how to
handle people who break the law.

The various psychiatric diagnoses we sometimes hear on TV have been used so
much for practically anything, they have no meaning anymore.

The Swedish government should also refrain from allowing any doctor to tell
a person he has a mental illness that can make him break the law. This is
done by denying government funding to any psychiatrist, psychologist,
counselor or TV channel which promotes this incorrect view.

Every person is to be held fully accountable for any crime he commits. An
illness cannot make a person break the law. Nor should anyone be taught
these foolish incorrect utterances.

http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/sup/fictional.html

From:	Doug Weller
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:11:24 +0000

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:51:19 GMT, in sci.archaeology, University Studies
wrote:
[SNIP]
>
>Every person is to be held fully accountable for any crime he commits. An
>illness cannot make a person break the law. Nor should anyone be taught
>these foolish incorrect utterances.

This guy doesn't seem to believe in mental illness.

Doug
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From:	I.E_Johansson
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:51:40 GMT

"Doug Weller" skrev i meddelandet
news:5dsnu05gkgpr1s11bt6atne0ad7nuio9em@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:51:19 GMT, in sci.archaeology, University Studies
> wrote:
> [SNIP]
> >
> >Every person is to be held fully accountable for any crime he commits. An
> >illness cannot make a person break the law. Nor should anyone be taught
> >these foolish incorrect utterances.
>
> This guy doesn't seem to believe in mental illness.

Doug,
had I been you I wouldn't have made such Ad Hominem provacative abusive
comments. Not in this case nor in other cases.

Inger E
>
> Doug
> --
> Doug Weller -- exorcise the demon to reply
> Doug & Helen's Dogs http://www.dougandhelen.com
> A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com
> Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk
>
>

From:	Doug Weller
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:26:21 +0000

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:51:40 GMT, in sci.archaeology, I.E_Johansson wrote:

>
>"Doug Weller" skrev i meddelandet
>news:5dsnu05gkgpr1s11bt6atne0ad7nuio9em@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:51:19 GMT, in sci.archaeology, University Studies
>> wrote:
>> [SNIP]
>> >
>> >Every person is to be held fully accountable for any crime he commits. An
>> >illness cannot make a person break the law. Nor should anyone be taught
>> >these foolish incorrect utterances.
>>
>> This guy doesn't seem to believe in mental illness.
>
>Doug,
>had I been you I wouldn't have made such Ad Hominem provacative abusive
>comments. Not in this case nor in other cases.

Now what are you on about? What is abusive about stating something that I
think is true? And what is ad hominem about it?

I should have said, perhaps, that he has a very strange perception of
mental illness, one that seems to claim that a mentally ill person is
still rational and responsible.

He espouses 'King Solomon Psychology'

*Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
*From: "University Studies" - Find messages by
this author
*Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:50:38 GMT
*Local: Sun, Jan 9 2005 2:50 am
*Subject: King Solomon psychology website
*
*New King Solomon psychology website
*
*King Solomon psychology differs from the loose psychology often taught in
*American schools. KS psychology is broader in the area of such things as
*equality of all people and creativity, but tighter and more restrictive
in
*the area of holding every person accountable for his actions, that no
person
*can break the law and then blame it on drugs, alcohol or an illness.
*
*Solomon psychology doesn't allow an insanity defense for any crime a
person
*may commit. All behavior is a result of choice.
*
*The Principles of Personal Development
*-- The Life-changing wisdom of Solomon
*http://www.creationfoundation.co.uk/Proverbs/ww.html
*
*Reality 101
*-- Solomon on Success, Service and Leadership
*http://www.creationfoundation.co.uk/Ecclesiastes/gwcontents.html
*
*The Principles of Excellence
*-- King Solomon's Masterclass in Creativity
*http://www.creationfoundation.co.uk/Principles/p0.html

His comments on mental illness are set out in another post:
http://tinyurl.com/3n2ef
(this is an excerpt from a much longer post).
*WHAT IS MENTAL ILLNESS?
*
*A mental illness occurs when a person goes 3 or 4 days straight with no
*sleep. This has nothing to do with breaking the law, nor can an illness
*cause a person to commit a crime or lose his or her morals.
*
*When someone goes without sleep for more than 3 days straight, the
*electrolytes in the bloodstream become (depleted) very low. This makes it
*hard for the person to speak properly, to do his or her work, to study,
etc.
*A mental illness is also called "extreme overexhaustion".
*
*A mental illness is not something a person has, it is something a person
*experiences or goes through. Under the law, all mental illnesses are
*considered temporary. There is no such thing as "a manic depressive", but
*there is a temporary condition called "manic depression".
*
*If a person goes 3 or 4 days without sleep he experiences extreme
*overexhastion. If he cannot get the sleep he needs, he can enter a mental
*health facility to receive sleeping medication, lithium carbonate and a
bed
*to rest up in. By law, the government accepts this condition as being
called
*"manic depression". Here's why it's temporary;
*
*If that person then files for disability benefits, the government will
give
*him $600.00 per month, free medical care and often free higher education.
*However, the government will have the person see a government doctor
every
*few months to see if the person still has manic depression. The gov't
doctor
*may say a few months later that the person no longer has manic
depression.
*It's irrelevant whether the person himself claims he has manic
depression,
*or claims it is permanent. Under federal law, "manic depression" is
*considered a temporary condition. A doctor may downgrade the condition to
*simple depression, or post traumatic stress disorder, and these too are
also
*considered temporary under the law. Even the more serious condition
called
*schizophrenia is considered temporary, being downgraded to manic
depression
*and then to simple depression as the person rests up and recovers..
*
*Schizophrenia is easy to understand and avoid. Schizophrenia occurs when
a
*person goes 3 or 4 days straight with no sleep and little food. It is a
*combination of extreme overexhaustion and serious malnourishment. It is
also
*considered temporary under the law, and it doesn't cause a person to
break
*the law either. Any person can avoid coming down with schizophrenia by
not
*going 3 or 4 days straight without sleep, and by eating properly every
day.
*
*These conditions do not require expensive lengthy counseling with a
*psychiatrist at $50.00 an hour to treat. Nor do they require
hospitalization
*every so often costing $1,000.00 per night for weeks at a time.
Conditions
*such as manic depression and schizophrenia can most often be resolved at
*home when the person takes lithium carbonate pills (to replenish the
*electrolytes) sleeping medication, good bed rest and 3 meals a day.
*
*It's equally easy to avoid ever coming down with manic depression or
*schizophrenia by never going 3 or 4 days straight with no sleep. It's
that
*simple. These conditions have nothing to do with what a person thinks,
these
*are physical illnesses resulting from extreme sleep loss.

I think the point of this is that Alan (?) is right. Killfiles are your
friend. Now if I can do it...

Doug
--
Doug Weller -- exorcise the demon to reply
Doug & Helen's Dogs http://www.dougandhelen.com
A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com
Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:01:02 GMT

"Doug Weller" wrote in message
news:61aou0d4v18dt47j4bognb281p2ap88247@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:51:40 GMT, in sci.archaeology, I.E_Johansson wrote:
>
> >
> >"Doug Weller" skrev i meddelandet
> >news:5dsnu05gkgpr1s11bt6atne0ad7nuio9em@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:51:19 GMT, in sci.archaeology, University
Studies
> >> wrote:
> >> [SNIP]
> >> >
> >> >Every person is to be held fully accountable for any crime he commits.
An
> >> >illness cannot make a person break the law. Nor should anyone be
taught
> >> >these foolish incorrect utterances.
> >>
> >> This guy doesn't seem to believe in mental illness.
> >
> >Doug,
> >had I been you I wouldn't have made such Ad Hominem provacative abusive
> >comments. Not in this case nor in other cases.
>
> Now what are you on about? What is abusive about stating something that I
> think is true? And what is ad hominem about it?
>
> I should have said, perhaps, that he has a very strange perception of
> mental illness, one that seems to claim that a mentally ill person is
> still rational and responsible.

You should do some more research into that subject to more appropriately
comment on it. A mental illness is the term used to describe when a person
goes 3 or 4 days straight with no sleep, where under this extreme
over-exhaustion the vision is impaired, the hearing is physically impaired
and more. But, none of this can make a person break the law.

Mental illness is a temporary condition any person can experience by going
days and days straight with no sleep. Any person can get confused or
over-exhausted, but he doesn't have to break the law. A person commits a
crime by choice, by harboring anger and hatred and then choosing to commit a
crime. Any books or documentaries teaching an illness can make a person
break the law should be banned.

> He espouses 'King Solomon Psychology'

Good point. If you will examine the kind Wisdom of King Solomon (the moral
psychology of King Solomon) you will find no examples of any person being
"let off because of insanity". There are none.
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=2453471

If you read through Solomon's entire Book of Proverbs, you will NOT see a
single phrase saying something like

"If a person acts crazy he should be set free".
nor
"Someone who goes with no sleep for long periods can break the law, it is
okay".
nor
"There are excuses that sick people can give after committing a crime to set
them free".

King Solomon's wisdom teaches none of this.

King Solomon does advise great compassion and gentleness for all people, but
he never once says anyone can have an excuse for committing a crime. Though
Solomon is Jewish and is the king of Israel, he doesn't claim Jews are
special or better than anyone else. Like the powerful pharaohs of Ancient
Egypt, he teaches goodness and love for all people equally.

Because there were far fewer words in use in ancient times, many words had
varying definitions, depending upon the context in which they were used. The
words "dead" and "death" were used in a broad, general manner in ancient
times to mean such things as "will have lots of problems". These terms are
not to be taken literally to mean a person has died or will die. In
Solomon's Proverbs 2:18, the term "death" means "cause serious personal
problems" and "are a complete waste of time".

Solomon's wisdom is love, but it is also to hold every person accountable
for his or her actions. This sensible king of 3,000 years ago, who set the
example for many later kings, never once teaches that a person with mental
problems should be given a lesser sentence after committing a crime. There
is not a single example of this to be found.

Every civilized nation should ban all books and TV documentaries which claim
an illness can make a person commit a crime.

From:	Doug Weller
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:43:35 +0000

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:01:02 GMT, in sci.archaeology, University Studies
wrote:

>"Doug Weller" wrote in message
>news:61aou0d4v18dt47j4bognb281p2ap88247@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:51:40 GMT, in sci.archaeology, I.E_Johansson wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Doug Weller" skrev i meddelandet
>> >news:5dsnu05gkgpr1s11bt6atne0ad7nuio9em@4ax.com...
>> >> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:51:19 GMT, in sci.archaeology, University
>Studies
>> >> wrote:
>> >> [SNIP]
>> >> >
>> >> >Every person is to be held fully accountable for any crime he commits.
>An
>> >> >illness cannot make a person break the law. Nor should anyone be
>taught
>> >> >these foolish incorrect utterances.
>> >>
>> >> This guy doesn't seem to believe in mental illness.
>> >
>> >Doug,
>> >had I been you I wouldn't have made such Ad Hominem provacative abusive
>> >comments. Not in this case nor in other cases.
>>
>> Now what are you on about? What is abusive about stating something that I
>> think is true? And what is ad hominem about it?
>>
>> I should have said, perhaps, that he has a very strange perception of
>> mental illness, one that seems to claim that a mentally ill person is
>> still rational and responsible.
>
>
>You should do some more research into that subject to more appropriately
>comment on it. A mental illness is the term used to describe when a person
>goes 3 or 4 days straight with no sleep, where under this extreme
>over-exhaustion the vision is impaired, the hearing is physically impaired
>and more. But, none of this can make a person break the law.

Your 'research', as usual, has no references. I provided several which
seem to have been cut out. And your definition is a personal one, and
IMHO complete nonsense.

>Mental illness is a temporary condition any person can experience by going
>days and days straight with no sleep. Any person can get confused or
>over-exhausted, but he doesn't have to break the law. A person commits a
>crime by choice, by harboring anger and hatred and then choosing to commit a
>crime. Any books or documentaries teaching an illness can make a person
>break the law should be banned.

So you don't believe in free speech, you want to ban certain ideas. Why am
I not surprised.

>
>> He espouses 'King Solomon Psychology'
>
>Good point. If you will examine the kind Wisdom of King Solomon (the moral
>psychology of King Solomon) you will find no examples of any person being
>"let off because of insanity". There are none.
>http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=2453471
>
>If you read through Solomon's entire Book of Proverbs, you will NOT see a
>single phrase saying something like
>
>"If a person acts crazy he should be set free".
>nor
>"Someone who goes with no sleep for long periods can break the law, it is
>okay".
>nor
>"There are excuses that sick people can give after committing a crime to set
>them free".
>
>King Solomon's wisdom teaches none of this.

And when the courts find that someone can't stand trial because they are
mentally ill, they don't release that person, they commit them to a mental
hospital. Your comments above are dishonest.

>
[SNIP]

(And I note that you don't really want to discuss who wrote the Book of
Proverbs).
>
>Because there were far fewer words in use in ancient times, many words had
>varying definitions, depending upon the context in which they were used.

And your evidence for this is?

The
>words "dead" and "death" were used in a broad, general manner in ancient
>times to mean such things as "will have lots of problems". These terms are
>not to be taken literally to mean a person has died or will die. In
>Solomon's Proverbs 2:18, the term "death" means "cause serious personal
>problems" and "are a complete waste of time".

And your evidence for this is?

>
>Solomon's wisdom is love, but it is also to hold every person accountable
>for his or her actions. This sensible king of 3,000 years ago, who set the
>example for many later kings, never once teaches that a person with mental
>problems should be given a lesser sentence after committing a crime. There
>is not a single example of this to be found.

Even if he existed, even if he wrote the proverbs, so what? Fortunately
we live in a more enlightened age.
>
>Every civilized nation should ban all books and TV documentaries which claim
>an illness can make a person commit a crime.

Yeah, burn the books you don't like. I don't think anyone can say
anything more unpleasant about you than the things you write yourself.

Doug

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From:	Martyn Harrison
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:48:25 GMT

Apparently on date Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:01:02 GMT, "University Studies"

said:

"A mental illness is the term used to describe when a person goes 3 or 4 days
straight with no sleep"

Another gem of stupidity.

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:47:43 GMT

"Martyn Harrison" wrote in message
news:gdfqu0h6v5badocchlktjepp33g5asth86@4ax.com...
> Apparently on date Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:01:02 GMT, "University Studies"
> said:
>
> "A mental illness is the term used to describe when a person goes 3 or 4
days
> straight with no sleep"
>
> Another gem of stupidity.

It's true. That's all it is.

From:	Doug Weller
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:14:49 +0000

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:47:43 GMT, in sci.archaeology, University Studies
wrote:

>"Martyn Harrison" wrote in message
>news:gdfqu0h6v5badocchlktjepp33g5asth86@4ax.com...
>> Apparently on date Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:01:02 GMT, "University Studies"
>> said:
>>
>> "A mental illness is the term used to describe when a person goes 3 or 4
>days
>> straight with no sleep"
>>
>> Another gem of stupidity.
>
>It's true. That's all it is.

It's a lie.
The American Heritage Dictionary:
"Any of various conditions characterized by impairment of an individual's
normal cognitive, emotional, or behavioral functioning, and caused by
social, psychological, biochemical, genetic, or other factors, such as
infection or head trauma. Also called emotional illness, mental disease,
mental disorder."

Nothing there about sleep.
http://www.nami.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Inform_Yourself/About_Mental_Illness/About_Mental_Illness.htm

Mental illnesses include such disorders as schizophrenia, schizoaffective
disorder, bipolar disorder, major depressive disorder,
obsessive-compulsive disorder, panic and other severe anxiety disorders,
autism and pervasive developmental disorders, attention
deficit/hyperactivity disorder, borderline personality disorder, and other
severe and persistent mental illnesses that affect the brain.

These disorders can profoundly disrupt a person's thinking, feeling,
moods, ability to relate to others and capacity for coping with the
demands of life.

Mental illnesses can affect persons of any age, race, religion, or income.
Mental illnesses are not the result of personal weakness, lack of
character, or poor upbringing.

Mental illnesses are treatable.

Etc.

Hey Inger, I think you told this guy off for OT posting on
soc.culture.nordic when he posted as Social Americans.
Of course, this 'guy' might be a collective.

Doug
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From:	Alan Crozier
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:27:11 GMT

"Doug Weller" wrote in message
news:pqqqu0t0b6hqidtntgmiqu6vt57rqkslea@4ax.com...

> Hey Inger, I think you told this guy off for OT posting on
> soc.culture.nordic when he posted as Social Americans.
> Of course, this 'guy' might be a collective.

Another psychological experiment perhaps? Let's refuse to be his subjects.

Alan

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Sweden

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:47:25 GMT

"Alan Crozier" wrote in message
news:zieHd.14658$d5.122510@newsb.telia.net...
> "Doug Weller" wrote in message
> news:pqqqu0t0b6hqidtntgmiqu6vt57rqkslea@4ax.com...
>
> > Hey Inger, I think you told this guy off for OT posting on
> > soc.culture.nordic when he posted as Social Americans.
> > Of course, this 'guy' might be a collective.
>
> Another psychological experiment perhaps? Let's refuse to be his subjects.

Very funny. I can tell you what though. Everyone I know, who I associate
with, has no problems with violence or mental health. Everyone I associate
with in life does well, works making good money and has a great familiy
life. A few do have depression once in a while, like many who struggle to
survive in capitalist America as social benefits are cut and jobs get
shipped overseas. But no one who I know or associate with ever gets
depressed to the point of suicide. Everyone who I associate with lives.

If someone doesn't like my socialist website, fine, then ignore it. But it
doesn't promote problems, it helps to resolve problems.
http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/social/social.html

There are numerous individuals and groups peacefully pushing for Democratic
Socialism in America to help our nation become a more peaceful, civilized
country. One that is more respected around the world.

If somebody doesn't like Democratic Socialism, fine. Ignore it. The
Constitution allows every person Freedom of Speech to publish political
views without being harassed.

But don't spread fake stories about me. And don't try to associate me with
derogatory, defamatory things I have absolutely nothing to do with.

From:	Doug Weller
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:52:54 +0000

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:47:25 GMT, in sci.archaeology, University Studies
wrote:

>"Alan Crozier" wrote in message
>news:zieHd.14658$d5.122510@newsb.telia.net...
>> "Doug Weller" wrote in message
>> news:pqqqu0t0b6hqidtntgmiqu6vt57rqkslea@4ax.com...
>>
>> > Hey Inger, I think you told this guy off for OT posting on
>> > soc.culture.nordic when he posted as Social Americans.
>> > Of course, this 'guy' might be a collective.
>>
>> Another psychological experiment perhaps? Let's refuse to be his subjects.
>
>Very funny. I can tell you what though. Everyone I know, who I associate
>with, has no problems with violence or mental health. Everyone I associate
>with in life does well, works making good money and has a great familiy
>life.

How lucky you are. I spent a year working in Harlem -- my experience with
the people there was quite the opposite. As is the case with the vast
majority of people all over the world.

A few do have depression once in a while, like many who struggle to
>survive in capitalist America as social benefits are cut and jobs get
>shipped overseas. But no one who I know or associate with ever gets
>depressed to the point of suicide. Everyone who I associate with lives.
>
>If someone doesn't like my socialist website, fine, then ignore it.

But that has nothing to do with the reality of mental illness, poverty,
violence, etc. In fact, you are casting a bad light on socialism.

But it
>doesn't promote problems, it helps to resolve problems.
>http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/social/social.html
>
>There are numerous individuals and groups peacefully pushing for Democratic
>Socialism in America to help our nation become a more peaceful, civilized
>country. One that is more respected around the world.
>
>If somebody doesn't like Democratic Socialism, fine. Ignore it. The
>Constitution allows every person Freedom of Speech to publish political
>views without being harassed.

Not when I studied it at Yale. What the First Amendment actually says is:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress of grievances."

In practice that's extended to state legislatures as well. And of course
we all know that copyright, libel law, etc. limits freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech protects my right to harass you so long as I don't libel
you, etc.

And also means that Congress can't ban the books and documentaries you
want to ban. How you have the nerve to talk about Freedom of Speech
while you want to ban books and documentaries is beyond me.

That you've never bothered to read the Constitution or its Amendments
doesn't surprise me.

>
>But don't spread fake stories about me. And don't try to associate me with
>derogatory, defamatory things I have absolutely nothing to do with.

So far I don't think anyone has. You wrote posts denying that 6 million
Jews died in the Holocaust, for instance. That makes you a Holocaust
Denier.

Doug

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From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:43:49 GMT

"Doug Weller" wrote in message
news:7m0ru0hgviemsnej0ci25s28s7k4fvgtdi@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:47:25 GMT, in sci.archaeology, University Studies
> wrote:
>
> >"Alan Crozier" wrote in message
> >news:zieHd.14658$d5.122510@newsb.telia.net...
> >> "Doug Weller" wrote in message
> >> news:pqqqu0t0b6hqidtntgmiqu6vt57rqkslea@4ax.com...
> >>
> >> > Hey Inger, I think you told this guy off for OT posting on
> >> > soc.culture.nordic when he posted as Social Americans.
> >> > Of course, this 'guy' might be a collective.
> >>
> >> Another psychological experiment perhaps? Let's refuse to be his
subjects.
> >
> >Very funny. I can tell you what though. Everyone I know, who I associate
> >with, has no problems with violence or mental health. Everyone I
associate
> >with in life does well, works making good money and has a great familiy
> >life.
>
> How lucky you are. I spent a year working in Harlem -- my experience with
> the people there was quite the opposite. As is the case with the vast
> majority of people all over the world.
>
> A few do have depression once in a while, like many who struggle to
> >survive in capitalist America as social benefits are cut and jobs get
> >shipped overseas. But no one who I know or associate with ever gets
> >depressed to the point of suicide. Everyone who I associate with lives.
> >
> >If someone doesn't like my socialist website, fine, then ignore it.
>
> But that has nothing to do with the reality of mental illness, poverty,
> violence, etc. In fact, you are casting a bad light on socialism.
>
> But it
> >doesn't promote problems, it helps to resolve problems.
> >http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/social/social.html
> >
> >There are numerous individuals and groups peacefully pushing for
Democratic
> >Socialism in America to help our nation become a more peaceful, civilized
> >country. One that is more respected around the world.
> >
> >If somebody doesn't like Democratic Socialism, fine. Ignore it. The
> >Constitution allows every person Freedom of Speech to publish political
> >views without being harassed.
>
> Not when I studied it at Yale. What the First Amendment actually says is:
> "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
> prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
> or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
> petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Freedom of Speech under the Constitutoin mean a person can publish, for
example, Facts on Democratic Socialism without being arrested or harassed in
any way.

On Dec 24, 2004 someone forged my header name "University Studies" trying to
falsely seem like I made a post about killing babies, which I never made.

It was a false defamation post, to make it look like I posted it to the
newsgroups de.alt.test, and bit.listserv.test, and alt.conspiracy.jfk Such
false defamation posts are failed efforts to discredit people whose
political views are opposed to the failed capitalist viewpoints.
http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/social/social.html

This "defamation technique" almost always comes from America to try to
discredit a person, to make a person look violent and heinous. To falsely
make someone look heinous is called heinousity.

It is probably wise for people in Scandinavia and the EU to learn about
heinousity, since it is apparently being used here in America more and more
to discredit citizens whose political viewpoints threaten the failed
capitalist views.

LEARN ABOUT HEINOUSITY
Heinousity is to falsely make a person appear to be heinous. Heinousity is
one of the most serious forms of defamation of character. It is to falsely
attach heinous intentions and descriptions to a person, as in;

"Happy to see others harmed"

"Likes violence. Likes death. Likes to kill"

"Very cold and callous, shows no remorse in harming other people"

The use of heinousity against someone is a very rare occurrence. When it
does occur, it is usually funded by a corrupt wealthy person who seeks to
harm the character of a person. Often this is done to throw a lawsuit, to
stop someone from testifying in a corruption case, or similar. Ultimately,
the person who spreads the heinousity harms his own situation more than
anyone else's, because he is the one who it's coming from.
http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/country/harassment.html

But, heinous stories can harm the person its being said about to some
degree.

Although rare, heinousity is usually used to falsely associate a person with
death, to make it falsely seem as though the person "likes death".

Few people like death in our society. Death is the one thing that comes to
all of us
eventually, and which we hope to avoid as long as possible. But by falsely
associating a person with death, this causes other people to want to stay
away from that person. It will discredit the person's writings too.

Heinousity during the Cold War
During the Cold War, heinousity was used by certain parts of the
intelligence agencies of both America and the Soviet Union against each
other. Hard line capitalists have for decades done their best to make
Russians seem "heinous", cold and brutal, yet never telling the American
public that Russia provides free college, free medical and guaranteed jobs
for
all citizens. None of which is given to American citizens.

Heinousity against Ross Perot
When Ross Perot ran for US president in 1996 with the pro-social Reform
Party, several capitalist TV channels employed "heinousity" against Perot by
showing him parodied in comedy sketches making statements such as "I used to
kill small animals when I was young. I liked it". This "heinousity" used
against Ross Perot helped lower his ratings, to some degree, as the American
elections approached.
http://www.reformparty.org/

Heinousity is Illegal
Heinousity is illegal for two reasons. First, it is a felony under the
"raising a false alarm" statute. The penalties for this can be several
months in jail.

Second, it is considered very serious "defamation of
character" in Civil court. The penalties for this can be several hundred
thousand dollars in damages awarded by a jury.
===========================================
Again we refer to the master website on harassment
http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/country/harassment.html

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Learn about "heinousity"
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:45:47 GMT

LEARN ABOUT HEINOUSITY
Heinousity is to falsely make a person appear to be heinous. Heinousity is
one of the most serious forms of defamation of character. It is to falsely
attach heinous intentions and descriptions to a person, as in;

"Happy to see others harmed"

"Likes violence. Likes death. Likes to kill"

"Very cold and callous, shows no remorse in harming other people"

The use of heinousity against someone is a very rare occurrence. When it
does occur, it is usually funded by a corrupt wealthy person who seeks to
harm the character of a person. Often this is done to throw a lawsuit, to
stop someone from testifying in a corruption case, or similar. Ultimately,
the person who spreads the heinousity harms his own situation more than
anyone else's, because he is the one who it's coming from.
http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/country/harassment.html

But, heinous stories can harm the person its being said about to some
degree.

Although rare, heinousity is usually used to falsely associate a person with
death, to make it falsely seem as though the person "likes death".

Few people like death in our society. Death is the one thing that comes to
all of us
eventually, and which we hope to avoid as long as possible. But by falsely
associating a person with death, this causes other people to want to stay
away from that person. It will discredit the person's writings too.

Heinousity during the Cold War
During the Cold War, heinousity was used by certain parts of the
intelligence agencies of both America and the Soviet Union against each
other. Hard line capitalists have for decades done their best to make
Russians seem "heinous", cold and brutal, yet never telling the American
public that Russia provides free college, free medical and guaranteed jobs
for
all citizens. None of which is given to American citizens.

Heinousity against Ross Perot
When Ross Perot ran for US president in 1996 with the pro-social Reform
Party, several capitalist TV channels employed "heinousity" against Perot by
showing him parodied in comedy sketches making statements such as "I used to
kill small animals when I was young. I liked it". This "heinousity" used
against Ross Perot helped lower his ratings, to some degree, as the American
elections approached.
http://www.reformparty.org/

Heinousity is Illegal
Heinousity is illegal for two reasons. First, it is a felony under the
"raising a false alarm" statute. The penalties for this can be several
months in jail.

Second, it is considered very serious "defamation of
character" in Civil court. The penalties for this can be several hundred
thousand dollars in damages awarded by a jury.
===========================================
Again we refer to the master website on harassment
http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/country/harassment.html

From:	tiglath
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:14:28 -0500

"University Studies" wrote in message
news:FigHd.4231$hC2.1866@trndny04...
..
>
> Freedom of Speech under the Constitutoin mean a person can publish, for
> example, Facts on Democratic Socialism without being arrested or harassed
in
> any way.
>
Wrong. Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from harassment.

People like you should be harass until they go back to school to get their
brain rewired or learn to lurk and shut up.

I prefer that you don't shut up and continue to make a fool of yourself, so
I can continue to than the Lord that I am not like you.

> LEARN ABOUT HEINOUSITY
> Heinousity is

More lectures from the asylum.

Hilarious.

Whoever is responsible for this fellow's upbringing should be led to
execution. They killed Socrates for less.

From:	adamadamant
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:22:03 GMT

"Alan Crozier" wrote in
news:zieHd.14658$d5.122510@newsb.telia.net:

> "Doug Weller" wrote in
> message news:pqqqu0t0b6hqidtntgmiqu6vt57rqkslea@4ax.com...
>
>> Hey Inger, I think you told this guy off for OT posting on
>> soc.culture.nordic when he posted as Social Americans.
>> Of course, this 'guy' might be a collective.
>
> Another psychological experiment perhaps? Let's refuse to be his
> subjects.

Well said. Try for a start confining the jerk to one newsgroup (I
hope I speak for a majority if I suggest that sci.arch would appear
be most appropriate), and ignore or killfile him.

But please, deny the annoying little sod his oxygen.

Andy

From:	Philip Deitiker
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:57:45 GMT

adamadamant says in
news:Xns95E2B0AC0A4CAwiawsnb@207.35.177.135:

> Well said. Try for a start confining the jerk to one newsgroup
> (I hope I speak for a majority if I suggest that sci.arch would
> appear be most appropriate), and ignore or killfile him.

Why us? He's a socialist soc.nord. .. .seems more appropriate.

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From:	adamadamant
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:55:07 GMT

Philip Deitiker wrote in
news:ZnhHd.44462$w62.26571@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

> adamadamant says in
> news:Xns95E2B0AC0A4CAwiawsnb@207.35.177.135:
>
>> Well said. Try for a start confining the jerk to one newsgroup
>> (I hope I speak for a majority if I suggest that sci.arch would
>> appear be most appropriate), and ignore or killfile him.
>
> Why us? He's a socialist soc.nord. .. .seems more appropriate.

I knew this would happen:-). Please, no more words on his account.
Don't start a debate about how to do it...just do it!

Andy.

From:	Philip Deitiker
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:34:08 GMT

adamadamant says in
news:Xns95E2CA9FB818wiawsnb@207.35.177.135:

> I knew this would happen:-). Please, no more words on his account.
> Don't start a debate about how to do it...just do it!

Dude it's been in my killfile for 3 days. You guys are the ones who
are responding to it.

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From:	Alan Crozier
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:54:40 GMT

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:32:12 GMT

From:	Kari Yli-Kuha
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:11:07 GMT

Doug Weller wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:51:19 GMT, in sci.archaeology, University Studies
> wrote:
> [SNIP]
>
>>Every person is to be held fully accountable for any crime he commits. An
>>illness cannot make a person break the law. Nor should anyone be taught
>>these foolish incorrect utterances.
>
> This guy doesn't seem to believe in mental illness.

Nowadays Verizon seems to be worse that AOL ever was.

/C

From:	Tom McDonald
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:19:59 -0600

University Studies wrote:

> The various psychiatric diagnoses we sometimes hear on TV have been used so
> much for practically anything, they have no meaning anymore.

Oh, I suspect yours does.

--
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http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:39:41 GMT

"Tom McDonald" wrote in message
news:dh%Gd.8158$Uj1.1354@fe07.lga...
> University Studies wrote:
>
>
>
> > The various psychiatric diagnoses we sometimes hear on TV have been used
so
> > much for practically anything, they have no meaning anymore.
>
> Oh, I suspect yours does.

Yup, here's Tom, just mocking on other people. Feeling the need to put down
others trying to make himself look better. But, he actually makes himself
look worse.

http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/country/harassment.html

Most everyone has Tom on ignore now.