adamadamant wrote:
> "Alan Crozier" wrote in
> news:AUeGd.127707$dP1.458668@newsc.telia.net:
>
> >
> > I don't think the Swedish legislators will be too interested in
> > newsgroups when they draw up the new law. They are more
> > concerned with stalkers who try to find out personal
> > information, such as a person's phone number or address, so that
> > they can harass and torment that person in more direct ways than
> > criticism via a newsgroup. I think the word "stalking" has been
> > bandied about too freely, as a handy term of abuse invoked by
> > people who can't defend their arguments in more rational ways.
> >
> > (I have added two newsgroups because "University Studies" has
> > now taken this thread into the territory covered by a discussion
> > going on in those other groups.)
>
> But what is going on in Sweden that is forcing this whole bizarre
> issue of stalking to the top of the legislative pile in whatever
> shape or form?

That's the way parlementarism works. An MP raises a question because
he/she has been badgered by someone they can't get rid of then the
issue has to be taken seriously until it's dropped or a law is passed
to address it.

>
>
> Is it too much paranoia? Or is Inger more powerful than you thought?
> Or is there a real problem?

It's a real problem for those who are really stalked (not just having
their posts on usenet made ridicule) but it's not a hotly debated
problem here in any sense of the term.

>
> Andy.

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:14:34 GMT

"unglued" wrote in message
news:1105898079.953626.208820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> adamadamant wrote:
> > "Alan Crozier" wrote in
> > news:AUeGd.127707$dP1.458668@newsc.telia.net:
> >
> > >
> > > I don't think the Swedish legislators will be too interested in
> > > newsgroups when they draw up the new law. They are more
> > > concerned with stalkers who try to find out personal
> > > information, such as a person's phone number or address, so that
> > > they can harass and torment that person in more direct ways than
> > > criticism via a newsgroup. I think the word "stalking" has been
> > > bandied about too freely, as a handy term of abuse invoked by
> > > people who can't defend their arguments in more rational ways.
> > >
> > > (I have added two newsgroups because "University Studies" has
> > > now taken this thread into the territory covered by a discussion
> > > going on in those other groups.)
> >
> > But what is going on in Sweden that is forcing this whole bizarre
> > issue of stalking to the top of the legislative pile in whatever
> > shape or form?
>
> That's the way parlementarism works. An MP raises a question because
> he/she has been badgered by someone they can't get rid of then the
> issue has to be taken seriously until it's dropped or a law is passed
> to address it.
>
> >
> >
> > Is it too much paranoia? Or is Inger more powerful than you thought?
> > Or is there a real problem?
>
> It's a real problem for those who are really stalked (not just having
> their posts on usenet made ridicule) but it's not a hotly debated
> problem here in any sense of the term.

This is because Sweden's crime rate is much lower than capitalist
America's.crime rate. The jails in America are absolutely overflowing and
the police departments are basically corrupt with no oversight at all going
on.

If Sweden follows capitalist America's lead in ending social welfare
programs, allowing good jobs to be shipped overseas, and following bogus
capitalist psychology books, then Sweden's crime rate will double or triple.

From:	tiglath
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:57:28 -0500

When I see the word "capitalist" twice in a post it smell of 'socialist.'

A socialist is as relevant today as a Bonapartist.

Haven't those people been reading the news for the last twenty years?

NOT ONE socialist economy has ever succeeded.

Talk about betting on the wrong horse.

Haven't they seen Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union die?

Theocracies like Iran described as "back to the thirteenth century" are more
prosperous than any socialist country. The only reason why Cuba ticks on
is because people can subsist on wild bananas.

The fellow hiding behind "University Studies" is not only a socialist but
also, I hear, a Holocaust Denier.

Quite a prize package, isn't it?

As he write prose that hurts the eyes, people have been shooting arrows on
his back since he turned up here, and rightly so.

How much longer can he take getting his ass kicked by all comers, save
Inger, whose ass is getting a rest thanks to him. He has to be good for
something.

"University Studies" wrote in message
news:u4GGd.4750$Vx2.2010@trndny01...
>
> This is because Sweden's crime rate is much lower than capitalist
> America's.crime rate. The jails in America are absolutely overflowing and
> the police departments are basically corrupt with no oversight at all
going
> on.
>
> If Sweden follows capitalist America's lead in ending social welfare
> programs, allowing good jobs to be shipped overseas, and following bogus
> capitalist psychology books, then Sweden's crime rate will double or
triple.
>
>
>

From:	Doug Weller
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:12:40 +0000

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:57:28 -0500, in sci.archaeology, tiglath wrote:
[SNIP]
>
>The fellow hiding behind "University Studies" is not only a socialist but
>also, I hear, a Holocaust Denier.

There is nothing wrong with being a socialist, but there is everything
wrong with being a Holocaust Denier, which this guy is.

Doug
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From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:03:40 GMT

"Doug Weller" wrote in message
news:9fsnu0pmtc8o1gh1r995d684fp09qhk918@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:57:28 -0500, in sci.archaeology, tiglath wrote:
> [SNIP]
> >
> >The fellow hiding behind "University Studies" is not only a socialist but
> >also, I hear, a Holocaust Denier.
>
> There is nothing wrong with being a socialist, but there is everything
> wrong with being a Holocaust Denier, which this guy is.

Aha Doug, are you a jackal? LOL You call others a troll, but others may
call you a jackal.

Someone is called "a jackal" if he goes around trying to find something
derogatory about someone's past to "hold against" that person. On Usenet
newsgroups, this is when someone fishes around through old Usenet posts
trying to find something he thinks that person said, which he may not have
said, which is completely unrelated to the topic being discussed, which he
then he tries to harass that person with.

The problem is, that Usenet is not a factual set of records one can bring to
court. Other people have used my newsgroup handle, for whatever reasons, to
be funny or to attempt to harass me, but again let us refer to the website
on harassment
http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/country/harassment.html

"If a person harasses someone, the person doing the harassing always harms
his own situation more than the person he is trying to harass. This is
because he is the one doing it"

I certainly don't engage in jackal-like activities. If I disagree with a
point made, I will debate that point in a civilized manner.

From:	Tom McDonald
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:26:38 -0600

University Studies wrote:
> "Doug Weller" wrote in message
> news:9fsnu0pmtc8o1gh1r995d684fp09qhk918@4ax.com...
>
>>On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:57:28 -0500, in sci.archaeology, tiglath wrote:
>>[SNIP]
>>
>>>The fellow hiding behind "University Studies" is not only a socialist but
>>>also, I hear, a Holocaust Denier.
>>
>>There is nothing wrong with being a socialist, but there is everything
>>wrong with being a Holocaust Denier, which this guy is.
>
>
> Aha Doug, are you a jackal? LOL You call others a troll, but others may
> call you a jackal.
>
> Someone is called "a jackal" if he goes around trying to find something
> derogatory about someone's past to "hold against" that person. On Usenet
> newsgroups, this is when someone fishes around through old Usenet posts
> trying to find something he thinks that person said, which he may not have
> said, which is completely unrelated to the topic being discussed, which he
> then he tries to harass that person with.
>
> The problem is, that Usenet is not a factual set of records one can bring to
> court. Other people have used my newsgroup handle, for whatever reasons, to
> be funny or to attempt to harass me, but again let us refer to the website
> on harassment
> http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/country/harassment.html
>
> "If a person harasses someone, the person doing the harassing always harms
> his own situation more than the person he is trying to harass. This is
> because he is the one doing it"
>
> I certainly don't engage in jackal-like activities. If I disagree with a
> point made, I will debate that point in a civilized manner.
>
>

Then why do you persist in using unmarked snips to avoid
replying to what others have written?

I do see, however, why you came to this group blathering on
about it being illegal to look up info on other people. Given
your behavior here (which you can hardly pretend was done by
person or persons unknown), you can hardly be happy with people
checking into your posting history.

BTW, is calling someone a "jackal" 'debat[ing] the point in a
civilized manner?' Of course it isn't.

--
Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:36:16 GMT

"Tom McDonald" wrote in message
news:rn%Gd.8160$yf1.4841@fe07.lga...
> I do see, however, why you came to this group blathering on

Yup, here's Tom, just mocking on other people. Feeling the need to put down
others trying to make himself look better. But, he actually makes himself
look worse.

http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/country/harassment.html

Most everyone has Tom on ignore now.

From:
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:11:01 -0600

"University Studies" wrote in message
news:AE5Hd.4100$av2.1032@trndny02...
> "Tom McDonald" wrote in message
> news:rn%Gd.8160$yf1.4841@fe07.lga...
> > I do see, however, why you came to this group blathering on
>
> Yup, here's Tom, just mocking on other people. Feeling the need to put
down
> others trying to make himself look better. But, he actually makes himself
> look worse.
>
> http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/country/harassment.html
>
> Most everyone has Tom on ignore now.
>
>
Who has Tom on ignore?

From:	Philip Deitiker
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:58:17 GMT

says in
news:ewaHd.16184$SK6.9600@bignews3.bellsouth.net:

> Who has Tom on ignore?

Not I, but he needs a new shaver and to hit the track if you ask me
;^).

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From:	Martyn Harrison
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:46:19 GMT

Apparently on date Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:11:01 -0600,
said:

>
>"University Studies" wrote in message
>news:AE5Hd.4100$av2.1032@trndny02...
>> "Tom McDonald" wrote in message
>> news:rn%Gd.8160$yf1.4841@fe07.lga...
>> > I do see, however, why you came to this group blathering on
>>
>> Yup, here's Tom, just mocking on other people. Feeling the need to put
>down
>> others trying to make himself look better. But, he actually makes himself
>> look worse.
>>
>> http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/country/harassment.html
>>
>> Most everyone has Tom on ignore now.
>>
>>
>Who has Tom on ignore?

Not me.

"Un Serviceable" is going the right way to get kill filed - I'll bet plenty of
entries already. Entertainment value being what it is, I'll leave that for now,
though. Needs some new tricks, though, the repertoire will get old very quickly
otherwise.

From:	Tom McDonald
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:34:29 -0600

joerevskelton@bellsouth.net wrote:
> "University Studies" wrote in message
> news:AE5Hd.4100$av2.1032@trndny02...
>
>>"Tom McDonald" wrote in message
>>news:rn%Gd.8160$yf1.4841@fe07.lga...
>>
>>>I do see, however, why you came to this group blathering on
>>
>>Yup, here's Tom, just mocking on other people. Feeling the need to put
>
> down
>
>>others trying to make himself look better. But, he actually makes himself
>>look worse.
>>
>>http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/country/harassment.html
>>
>>Most everyone has Tom on ignore now.
>>
>>
>
> Who has Tom on ignore?
>
>

I do. He never writes anything I find interesting.

--
Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/

From:	Doug Weller
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:02:08 +0000

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:03:40 GMT, in sci.archaeology, University Studies
wrote:

>"Doug Weller" wrote in message
>news:9fsnu0pmtc8o1gh1r995d684fp09qhk918@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:57:28 -0500, in sci.archaeology, tiglath wrote:
>> [SNIP]
>> >
>> >The fellow hiding behind "University Studies" is not only a socialist but
>> >also, I hear, a Holocaust Denier.
>>
>> There is nothing wrong with being a socialist, but there is everything
>> wrong with being a Holocaust Denier, which this guy is.
>
>Aha Doug, are you a jackal? LOL You call others a troll, but others may
>call you a jackal.
>
>Someone is called "a jackal" if he goes around trying to find something
>derogatory about someone's past to "hold against" that person. On Usenet
>newsgroups, this is when someone fishes around through old Usenet posts
>trying to find something he thinks that person said, which he may not have
>said, which is completely unrelated to the topic being discussed, which he
>then he tries to harass that person with.

If the allegation was false I would have made that clear also.

I like to know something about who I am debating with.

And I don't like Holocaust Deniers. I think they are evil, and why should
I put up with something I think is evil?

Now if you want to deny the label and can show me to be wrong I will
gladly apologize. Because, in fact, some of the things you stand for I
agree with. I was very disappointed to find out this allegation appears
to be true.

Doug
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From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:28:23 GMT

"Doug Weller" wrote in message
news:4o2ou0p9of0serb191nsrsf66d3leiduob@4ax.com...

> And I don't like Holocaust Deniers. I think they are evil, and why should
> I put up with something I think is evil?
>
> Now if you want to deny the label and can show me to be wrong I will
> gladly apologize.

I am certainly not a holocaust denier.

I do use a shared computer with other interesting people, some who make
posts on other newsgroups about various topics. Some of their opinions are
similar to mine. Some of their opinions differ from my own.

One person I know does question the high holocaust figure, but that is his
point of view right now, and he is entitled to it under the Constitution. I
think he believes some smaller number like 300,000 died in the camps, and
that fake stories were made up at the end of WWII. I don't know.

From:	Doug Weller
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:36:54 +0000

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:28:23 GMT, in sci.archaeology, University Studies
wrote:

>"Doug Weller" wrote in message
>news:4o2ou0p9of0serb191nsrsf66d3leiduob@4ax.com...
>
>> And I don't like Holocaust Deniers. I think they are evil, and why should
>> I put up with something I think is evil?
>>
>> Now if you want to deny the label and can show me to be wrong I will
>> gladly apologize.
>
>I am certainly not a holocaust denier.
>
>I do use a shared computer with other interesting people, some who make
>posts on other newsgroups about various topics. Some of their opinions are
>similar to mine. Some of their opinions differ from my own.
>
>One person I know does question the high holocaust figure, but that is his
>point of view right now, and he is entitled to it under the Constitution. I
>think he believes some smaller number like 300,000 died in the camps, and
>that fake stories were made up at the end of WWII. I don't know.

Ah -- are you saying that someone else is posting from your computer using
your name? That you didn't post this?
*alt.revisionism > Reports state only 250,000 Jews died in the camps -
View Parsed
*
*From: "University Studies"
*Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
*Subject: Reports state only 250,000 Jews died in the camps
*Lines: 31
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*Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:59:30 GMT
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EST)
*NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 04:59:30 EST
*
*There are private reports now being made by pro-Israeli research groups
that
*claim it looks as though only 250,000 Jews died in the camps during WWII.
*
*The two main reason the high 6 million figures were released by the
*communists;
*
*
*
*#1. The communist Soviet Union liberated virtually all of the
concentration
*camps as WWII ended. It was in the Soviet's interest to propagate wild
*stories about Germany in order to frighten related nations into accepting
*communist rule (ie: Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc)
*
*
*
*#2. During wartime, especially near the end of a war when most people had
*little food and often went days and days with no sleep, false stories are
*often accidentally created and circulated. A mental illness occurs when
*someone goes for 3 or 4 days straight with no sleep. Today this extreme
*sleep loss is called :manic depression". More serious mental illness
*conditions result when the extreme sleep loss is combined with serious
*malnutrition (going for days with no food).
*
*----------------------------------------------------------------------------
*--------------------------
*

I have a problem though in that the claims about mental illness are, I
thought, yours. So I've assumed the rest of the post is also.

Doug

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From:	tiglath
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:41:18 -0500

"University Studies" wrote in message
news:b_WGd.3940$hC2.3299@trndny04...
> "Doug Weller" wrote in message
> news:4o2ou0p9of0serb191nsrsf66d3leiduob@4ax.com...
>
> > And I don't like Holocaust Deniers. I think they are evil, and why
should
> > I put up with something I think is evil?
> >
> > Now if you want to deny the label and can show me to be wrong I will
> > gladly apologize.
>
> I am certainly not a holocaust denier.
>
> I do use a shared computer with other interesting people, [...]

That old trick... "other people"

The coward has been causht denying the Holocaust and now is trying to back
pedal.

Disgraceful.

some who make
> posts on other newsgroups about various topics. Some of their opinions are
> similar to mine. Some of their opinions differ from my own.
>
> One person I know does question the high holocaust figure, but that is his
> point of view right now, and he is entitled to it under the Constitution.
I
> think he believes some smaller number like 300,000 died in the camps, and
> that fake stories were made up at the end of WWII. I don't know.
>
>

From:	Philip Deitiker
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:24:43 GMT

"tiglath" says in
news:LbCdnT5Li5ADGnHcRVn-pQ@rcn.net:

> The coward has been causht denying the Holocaust and now is
> trying to back pedal.

Do I need a new excuse list, 'someone else uses my computer, post
with my name', I think that is a recycled excuse.

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From:	Never anonymous Bud
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:47:09 GMT

Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, "University Studies" on Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:28:23 GMT
spoke:

>One person I know does question the high holocaust figure, but that is his
>point of view right now, and he is entitled to it under the Constitution. I
>think he believes some smaller number like 300,000 died in the camps, and
>that fake stories were made up at the end of WWII. I don't know.

How can you NOT be aware that at least 3 million Jews, and about 3 million
other prisoners of the Nazis died in the camps??

The evidence is WIDELY available, even from the very mouths
of the camp guards and others who were there.

--

The truth is out there,

but it's not interesting enough for most people.

From:	tiglath
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:39:25 -0500

"University Studies" wrote in message
news:06TGd.3926$hC2.2679@trndny04...
> "Doug Weller" wrote in message
> news:9fsnu0pmtc8o1gh1r995d684fp09qhk918@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:57:28 -0500, in sci.archaeology, tiglath wrote:
> > [SNIP]
> > >
> > >The fellow hiding behind "University Studies" is not only a socialist
but
> > >also, I hear, a Holocaust Denier.
> >
> > There is nothing wrong with being a socialist, but there is everything
> > wrong with being a Holocaust Denier, which this guy is.
>
> Aha Doug, are you a jackal? LOL You call others a troll, but others may
> call you a jackal.
>
> Someone is called "a jackal" if he goes around trying to find something
> derogatory about someone's past to "hold against" that person. On Usenet
> newsgroups, this is when someone fishes around through old Usenet posts
> trying to find something he thinks that person said, which he may not have
> said, which is completely unrelated to the topic being discussed, which he
> then he tries to harass that person with.
>
> The problem is, that Usenet is not a factual set of records one can bring
to
> court. Other people have used my newsgroup handle, for whatever reasons,
to
> be funny or to attempt to harass me, but again let us refer to the website
> on harassment
> http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/country/harassment.html
>
> "If a person harasses someone, the person doing the harassing always harms
> his own situation more than the person he is trying to harass. This is
> because he is the one doing it"
>
> I certainly don't engage in jackal-like activities. If I disagree with a
> point made, I will debate that point in a civilized manner.

Translation: "I am a Holocaust Denier."

From:	I.E_Johansson
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:54:25 GMT

"Doug Weller" skrev i meddelandet
news:9fsnu0pmtc8o1gh1r995d684fp09qhk918@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:57:28 -0500, in sci.archaeology, tiglath wrote:
> [SNIP]
> >
> >The fellow hiding behind "University Studies" is not only a socialist but
> >also, I hear, a Holocaust Denier.
>
> There is nothing wrong with being a socialist, but there is everything
> wrong with being a Holocaust Denier, which this guy is.

Now you are doing it again. As soon as a person writes here and he or she
doesn't act the way you do you tend to assume that person to be a racist.
That might be true but might as well be 100% wrong. Either way a person has
the right to have other views than you and me and the next but still has to
have his thoughts treated with respect. If that wasn't the case the person
calling the other a racist is far worse racist himself.

Inger E
>
> Doug
> --
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> Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk
>
>

From:	Alaca
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:12:05 +0100

I.E_Johansson wrote in news:RJUGd.14525$d5.121664@newsb.telia.net,

> "Doug Weller" skrev i
> meddelandet news:9fsnu0pmtc8o1gh1r995d684fp09qhk918@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:57:28 -0500, in sci.archaeology, tiglath
>> wrote: [SNIP]
>>>
>>> The fellow hiding behind "University Studies" is not only a
>>> socialist but also, I hear, a Holocaust Denier.
>>
>> There is nothing wrong with being a socialist, but there is
>> everything wrong with being a Holocaust Denier, which this guy is.
>
> Now you are doing it again. As soon as a person writes here and he or
> she doesn't act the way you do you tend to assume that person to be a
> racist. That might be true but might as well be 100% wrong. Either
> way a person has the right to have other views than you and me and
> the next but still has to have his thoughts treated with respect. If
> that wasn't the case the person calling the other a racist is far
> worse racist himself.
>
> Inger E

All quiet on the Deitiker front Inger?

From:	Doug Weller
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:05:39 +0000

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:54:25 GMT, in sci.archaeology, I.E_Johansson wrote:

>
>"Doug Weller" skrev i meddelandet
>news:9fsnu0pmtc8o1gh1r995d684fp09qhk918@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:57:28 -0500, in sci.archaeology, tiglath wrote:
>> [SNIP]
>> >
>> >The fellow hiding behind "University Studies" is not only a socialist but
>> >also, I hear, a Holocaust Denier.
>>
>> There is nothing wrong with being a socialist, but there is everything
>> wrong with being a Holocaust Denier, which this guy is.
>
>Now you are doing it again. As soon as a person writes here and he or she
>doesn't act the way you do you tend to assume that person to be a racist.
>That might be true but might as well be 100% wrong. Either way a person has
>the right to have other views than you and me and the next but still has to
>have his thoughts treated with respect. If that wasn't the case the person
>calling the other a racist is far worse racist himself.

I did NOT call him a racist. Why do you think he might be a racist? I
have no reason to think that.

I said he is a Holocaust Denier. He's an unusual type of one so far as I
can see. He is critical of anti-semitism for a start.

You really need to read what people say more carefully and not make
assumptions.

Doug
--
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From:	adamadamant
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:40:39 GMT

Doug Weller wrote in
news:a2aou0him9er7oaq8iisa9i9gaa9l0n5ss@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:54:25 GMT, in sci.archaeology,
> I.E_Johansson wrote:
>

[--------] on the troll known as University Studies

> I did NOT call him a racist. Why do you think he might be a
> racist? I have no reason to think that.
>
> I said he is a Holocaust Denier. He's an unusual type of one so
> far as I can see. He is critical of anti-semitism for a start.
>
> You really need to read what people say more carefully and not
> make assumptions.

Presumably you realise that you have allowed this guy (s/he- let's
not be ist) to become a proxy for the internecine warfare
that plagues this group (sci.arch). The perfect trolling experience
for him.

Why not tell the guy to fuck off, cut him out as a middleman and
carry on in the much more familiar territory of business as usual
by slagging each other off directly?

Andy.

From:	Alan Crozier
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:12:43 GMT

"I.E_Johansson" wrote in message
news:RJUGd.14525$d5.121664@newsb.telia.net...
>
> "Doug Weller" skrev i meddelandet
> news:9fsnu0pmtc8o1gh1r995d684fp09qhk918@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:57:28 -0500, in sci.archaeology, tiglath wrote:
> > [SNIP]
> > >
> > >The fellow hiding behind "University Studies" is not only a socialist
but
> > >also, I hear, a Holocaust Denier.
> >
> > There is nothing wrong with being a socialist, but there is everything
> > wrong with being a Holocaust Denier, which this guy is.
>
> Now you are doing it again. As soon as a person writes here and he or she
> doesn't act the way you do you tend to assume that person to be a racist.

It might not just be an assumption, Inger...

I had to admire you recently when some anonymous Holocaust denier started a
thread called "Nazi gassings never happened". You bravely and immediately
jumped in and told the poster to read IG Farben's own report and see the
photographic and other evidence for himself. Well done, Inger.

As it happens, "University Studies", has made similar claims under that name
and others. The claim is that only 3000,000 people died in the camps, and
then mostly of starvation. See my other post on the subject.

Take a look at the evidence for yourself. If someone has been forging posts
in his name, they have imitated him very well. If he is innocent he
certainly deserves an apology, but it's hard to apologize to an alias.

Alan

--
Alan Crozier
Lund
Sweden

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:44:14 GMT

"Alan Crozier" wrote in message
news:%_UGd.127893$dP1.459137@newsc.telia.net...
> "I.E_Johansson" wrote in message
> news:RJUGd.14525$d5.121664@newsb.telia.net...
> >
> > "Doug Weller" skrev i
meddelandet
> > news:9fsnu0pmtc8o1gh1r995d684fp09qhk918@4ax.com...
> > > On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:57:28 -0500, in sci.archaeology, tiglath wrote:
> > > [SNIP]
> > > >
> > > >The fellow hiding behind "University Studies" is not only a socialist
> but
> > > >also, I hear, a Holocaust Denier.
> > >
> > > There is nothing wrong with being a socialist, but there is everything
> > > wrong with being a Holocaust Denier, which this guy is.
> >
> > Now you are doing it again. As soon as a person writes here and he or
she
> > doesn't act the way you do you tend to assume that person to be a
racist.
>
>
> It might not just be an assumption, Inger...
>
> I had to admire you recently when some anonymous Holocaust denier started
a
> thread called "Nazi gassings never happened". You bravely and immediately
> jumped in and told the poster to read IG Farben's own report and see the
> photographic and other evidence for himself. Well done, Inger.
>
> As it happens, "University Studies", has made similar claims under that
name
> and others. The claim is that only 3000,000 people died in the camps, and
> then mostly of starvation. See my other post on the subject.

Anyway, the people who I know who have said maybe only 300,000 died in the
camps happen to be strong supporters of Israel and Judaism. 300,000 is still
a very large number of people, so this doesn't reduce the impact of what
occured during the war.

From:	Tom McDonald
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:35:27 -0600

University Studies wrote:
> "Alan Crozier" wrote in message
> news:%_UGd.127893$dP1.459137@newsc.telia.net...
>
>>"I.E_Johansson" wrote in message
>>news:RJUGd.14525$d5.121664@newsb.telia.net...
>>
>>>"Doug Weller" skrev i
>
> meddelandet
>
>>>news:9fsnu0pmtc8o1gh1r995d684fp09qhk918@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:57:28 -0500, in sci.archaeology, tiglath wrote:
>>>>[SNIP]
>>>>
>>>>>The fellow hiding behind "University Studies" is not only a socialist
>>
>>but
>>
>>>>>also, I hear, a Holocaust Denier.
>>>>
>>>>There is nothing wrong with being a socialist, but there is everything
>>>>wrong with being a Holocaust Denier, which this guy is.
>>>
>>>Now you are doing it again. As soon as a person writes here and he or
>
> she
>
>>>doesn't act the way you do you tend to assume that person to be a
>
> racist.
>
>>
>>It might not just be an assumption, Inger...
>>
>>I had to admire you recently when some anonymous Holocaust denier started
>
> a
>
>>thread called "Nazi gassings never happened". You bravely and immediately
>>jumped in and told the poster to read IG Farben's own report and see the
>>photographic and other evidence for himself. Well done, Inger.
>>
>>As it happens, "University Studies", has made similar claims under that
>
> name
>
>>and others. The claim is that only 3000,000 people died in the camps, and
>>then mostly of starvation. See my other post on the subject.
>
>
> Anyway, the people who I know who have said maybe only 300,000 died in the
> camps happen to be strong supporters of Israel and Judaism. 300,000 is still
> a very large number of people, so this doesn't reduce the impact of what
> occured during the war.

Bullshit.

300,000 dying of starvation as a result of Allied interruption
of Nazi food production and distribution is not only reducing
the impact of what happened during the war, but also makes the
Nazis look like they were good guys, kept from taking their
accustomed wonderful care of their prisoners because of the mean
old Allies.

I'm absolutely with Doug wrt proven racists and Holocaust
deniers. As far as I'm concerned, you have shown yourself to be
a Holocaust denier. The bullshit story about someone else using
your computer and posting under your name denying the full
impact of the Holocaust isn't fooling anyone.

You've done all you need to do to these ngs. I'd be happy if
you fell off the face of Usenet.

--
Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/

From:	tiglath
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:56:01 -0500

"University Studies" wrote in message
news:i5YGd.11955$Vn2.1887@trndny06...
>
> Anyway, the people who I know who have said maybe only 300,000 died in the
> camps happen to be strong supporters of Israel and Judaism. 300,000 is
still
> a very large number of people, so this doesn't reduce the impact of what
> occured during the war.

This fellow thinks he is dealing with people who have nothing better to do
than sitting waiting to be smarted out by a closet Holocaust Denier.

University Studies is a mental midget with the morals of an alley cat. His
remarks above show his massive ignorance and his ill-concealed
anti-Semitism. He doesn't even has the balls to openly racist, probably the
way he was brought up, which conflicts him and fills him with shame.

There is no doubt that he doesn't flow from honorable sources.

From:	Tom McDonald
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:19:04 -0600

tiglath wrote:

> How much longer can he take getting his ass kicked by all comers, save
> Inger, whose ass is getting a rest thanks to him.

NEVER write about any portion of Inger's anatomy EVER AGAIN!!!

Do you know what it's going to take to get that image out of my
head?

I'll have to record a couple of hours of X-Play, and watch
without the sound. And it's all your fault!

--
Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/

From:	tiglath
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:02:58 -0500

"Tom McDonald" wrote in message
news:QvZGd.7734$rG7.2831@fe07.lga...
> tiglath wrote:
>
>
>
> > How much longer can he take getting his ass kicked by all comers, save
> > Inger, whose ass is getting a rest thanks to him.
>
> NEVER write about any portion of Inger's anatomy EVER AGAIN!!!
>
> Do you know what it's going to take to get that image out of my
> head?
>
> I'll have to record a couple of hours of X-Play, and watch
> without the sound. And it's all your fault!

I apologize. There is indeed much need not to picture a saggy ass, in
particular one that has been thoroughly kicked for years into a blob. One
of my pointy python boots is lost there somewhere. If anyone kicking around
Inger finds it, I'd be grateful to recover it if it didn't melt.

From:	I.E_Johansson
Subject:	Re: Stalking in Swedish
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:45:14 GMT

"unglued" skrev i meddelandet
news:1105898079.953626.208820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> adamadamant wrote:
> > "Alan Crozier" wrote in
> > news:AUeGd.127707$dP1.458668@newsc.telia.net:
> >
> > >
> > > I don't think the Swedish legislators will be too interested in
> > > newsgroups when they draw up the new law. They are more
> > > concerned with stalkers who try to find out personal
> > > information, such as a person's phone number or address, so that
> > > they can harass and torment that person in more direct ways than
> > > criticism via a newsgroup. I think the word "stalking" has been
> > > bandied about too freely, as a handy term of abuse invoked by
> > > people who can't defend their arguments in more rational ways.
> > >
> > > (I have added two newsgroups because "University Studies" has
> > > now taken this thread into the territory covered by a discussion
> > > going on in those other groups.)
> >
> > But what is going on in Sweden that is forcing this whole bizarre
> > issue of stalking to the top of the legislative pile in whatever
> > shape or form?
>
> That's the way parlementarism works. An MP raises a question because
> he/she has been badgered by someone they can't get rid of then the
> issue has to be taken seriously until it's dropped or a law is passed
> to address it.

Lasse once said, an other question but related to this, that it's easier
when you know the person who has been stalked. What many here seem to forget
is that it's not be taken seriously that's up. I have had the pleasure to
know several of those who sits on posts in Parliament, earlier Goverments,
High posts in University and newspaper since the days we either studied
together or were working during the 70's together politically. Never had any
problems with anyone that really counts not taken me seriously. Doesn't mean
that every one agrees with everyone. Only that people who have known each
other for more than 30 years respect each others thoughts and opinion.

That's not a problem. But to be called names and have people haressing me
as a person, sending me abuse - yes one of the worst 10 showed the other
day how keen he is to do so no matter what he tries to 'tell the world',
that's stalking. Apart from which, if you or anyone else don't agree with my
writing or with anyone else writing, it would be better for you or the
someone who does if contra-argument(-s) were presented. No scholar who wants
to be taken seriously should try to pick on an other such as some here have
done on me. That's to write Ad Hominem or abusive lines instead of showing
capability to discuss subject line.

Inger E
>
> >
> >
> > Is it too much paranoia? Or is Inger more powerful than you thought?
> > Or is there a real problem?
>
> It's a real problem for those who are really stalked (not just having
> their posts on usenet made ridicule) but it's not a hotly debated
> problem here in any sense of the term.
>
> >
> > Andy.
>