Hi,

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=51752005

A new book and TV series by Alistair Moffat - warning, Atlantis is
involved -- but so is Bryan Sykes.

Doug

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From:	Sidheseeker
Subject:	Re: One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq
Date:	19 Jan 2005 10:17:39 -0800

Doug Weller wrote:
> Hi,
>
> http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=51752005
>
> A new book and TV series by Alistair Moffat - warning, Atlantis is
> involved -- but so is Bryan Sykes.
>
> Doug

Yeah.. right..

From:	Eric Stevens
Subject:	Re: One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:07:45 +1300

On 19 Jan 2005 10:17:39 -0800, "Sidheseeker"
wrote:

>
>Doug Weller wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=51752005
>>
>> A new book and TV series by Alistair Moffat - warning, Atlantis is
>> involved -- but so is Bryan Sykes.
>>
>> Doug
>
>Yeah.. right..
>

You sound like a commercial for Tui beer.

See http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0303/S00169.htm

Eric Stevens

From:	gigantino at speakeasy.net
Subject:	Re: One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq
Date:	16 Jan 2005 19:56:42 -0800

Would the "irish" haplotypes be from Viking traders sailing rivers
through Russia to the Euphrates? Then enjoying the locals?

Josh

From:	I.E_Johansson
Subject:	Re: One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:28:07 GMT

skrev i meddelandet
news:1105934202.658903.40610@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Would the "irish" haplotypes be from Viking traders sailing rivers
> through Russia to the Euphrates? Then enjoying the locals?
>
> Josh

While there are some graves which might point to Irish or Scotish
upper-class females living in Norway during Viking Age, I never heard of
anyone suggesting that Iraquan females were brought to Norway. Your
assumption regarding enjoying might be correct, but I doubt that the
potential children were brought back to Scandinavia.

Inger E
>

From:	Mike.McNamara
Subject:	Re: One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:10:22 -0500

The Scotts are inferior in regards to the Knight status as the McNamara's
defeated them with 300 Norse slaughterted.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3618613.stm
"I.E_Johansson" wrote in message
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>
> skrev i meddelandet
> news:1105934202.658903.40610@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Would the "irish" haplotypes be from Viking traders sailing rivers
>> through Russia to the Euphrates? Then enjoying the locals?
>>
>> Josh
>
> While there are some graves which might point to Irish or Scotish
> upper-class females living in Norway during Viking Age, I never heard of
> anyone suggesting that Iraquan females were brought to Norway. Your
> assumption regarding enjoying might be correct, but I doubt that the
> potential children were brought back to Scandinavia.
>
> Inger E
>>
>
>

From:	Jacques Guy
Subject:	Re: One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:11:17 +1000

I.E_Johansson wrote:

> skrev i meddelandet
> news:1105934202.658903.40610@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Would the "irish" haplotypes be from Viking traders sailing rivers
> > through Russia to the Euphrates? Then enjoying the locals?

> > Josh

> While there are some graves which might point to Irish or Scotish
> upper-class females living in Norway during Viking Age, I never heard of
> anyone suggesting that Iraquan females were brought to Norway. Your
> assumption regarding enjoying might be correct, but I doubt that the
> potential children were brought back to Scandinavia.

I strongly suspect that chance resemblances are just as likely with DNA
as with languages, and that those Irish-Iraqi DNA similarities
are like English "bad" and Persian "bad" (the words sound the same,
mean the same, but are unrelated).

From:	Doug Weller
Subject:	Re: One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 06:04:20 +0000

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:11:17 +1000, in sci.archaeology, Jacques Guy wrote:

>
>I strongly suspect that chance resemblances are just as likely with DNA
>as with languages, and that those Irish-Iraqi DNA similarities
>are like English "bad" and Persian "bad" (the words sound the same,
>mean the same, but are unrelated).

Elsewhere (The Hall of Ma'at), it is being pointed out that to suggest
that only 20% of Scots have this ancestry is probably incorrect (mating
being random over such a long time period), and that the 20% are probably
only those with the mtDNA inherited in the direct female line but that
100% of Scots - and other Europeans - share this distant ancestry.

Doug
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From:	I.E_Johansson
Subject:	Re: One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 05:13:24 GMT

"Jacques Guy" skrev i meddelandet
news:41EB5705.7F86@alphalink.com.au...
> I.E_Johansson wrote:
>
> > skrev i meddelandet
> > news:1105934202.658903.40610@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > Would the "irish" haplotypes be from Viking traders sailing rivers
> > > through Russia to the Euphrates? Then enjoying the locals?
>
> > > Josh
>
> > While there are some graves which might point to Irish or Scotish
> > upper-class females living in Norway during Viking Age, I never heard of
> > anyone suggesting that Iraquan females were brought to Norway. Your
> > assumption regarding enjoying might be correct, but I doubt that the
> > potential children were brought back to Scandinavia.
>
> I strongly suspect that chance resemblances are just as likely with DNA
> as with languages, and that those Irish-Iraqi DNA similarities
> are like English "bad" and Persian "bad" (the words sound the same,
> mean the same, but are unrelated).

You might be right. But there are the Irish tales which might give an
explination. We mustn't forget that in Ancient Age people from Babylon must
have spread around the Mediterranian more than we know today.

Inger E

From:	Mike
Subject:	Re: One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:45:25 -0500

Being of a not-understood race of Haplogroup 1, wouldn't it be possible
that the Basques were the most pronounced and efficient sailors in Europe
with them sailing to Norway or the Finmark to hunt reindeer for sails 10 000
years ago from the Bay of Bisacay including Morocco?
One in five scots are IndoEuropean and don't have clown noses such as the
McDonald clan. The Majority of
Irish and Scots have a pointed or straight brow ridge nose whether they have
a prognathous jaw just like the Chinese have. They have a narrow ridge on
the nose which makes them perfectlly suited for glasses and Glasgow
Scotand(Capital) should be named after these intelligent people.
http://news.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146411686

Having a pointed nose is Caucassion as it is not seen among Asians or
Africans of racial descent.

http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146411686

And this site will give you more explanations.

http://www.megalithic.co.uk/comments.php?op=showreply&tid=3324&sid=2146411686&pid=3320&mode=&order=&thold=#3324

The McDonald clan went through more mutatations similar to the female line
which is similar to Negroes in Africa where thier mutations can't really be
identified. They have a clowns nose and just as Negroes are, they are more
prone to cancer.
http://www.talkaboutsupport.com/group/alt.support.diet.paleolithic/messages/2419.html

You are an asshole since we Native Europeans with a pointed Nose make up
most of the majority and since most native Europeans have a pointed Nose,
this makes you a complete Idiot. All you have to do is look at his site and
see that green is proof.
http://baz.perlmonk.org/haplogroups.jpg

]

wrote in message
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> Would the "irish" haplotypes be from Viking traders sailing rivers
> through Russia to the Euphrates? Then enjoying the locals?
>
> Josh
>

From:	deowll
Subject:	Re: One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:00:21 -0600

wrote in message
news:1105934202.658903.40610@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Would the "irish" haplotypes be from Viking traders sailing rivers
> through Russia to the Euphrates? Then enjoying the locals?
>
> Josh
>
During viking times there was a big slave trade with the Irish being the
slaves.

From:	I.E_Johansson
Subject:	Re: One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:18:48 GMT

"deowll" skrev i meddelandet
news:EqXGd.24017$tF.17022@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
> wrote in message
> news:1105934202.658903.40610@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Would the "irish" haplotypes be from Viking traders sailing rivers
> > through Russia to the Euphrates? Then enjoying the locals?
> >
> > Josh
> >
> During viking times there was a big slave trade with the Irish being the
> slaves.

Correct. But unfortunatly not the first time Scandinavians are known to have
taken slaves, sold etc. That sad tradition is documented at least from
Migration Age's Ostrogoths travelling down Russian Rivers.

Inger E
>
>

From:	Vaughan Sanders
Subject:	Re: One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:46:33 -0000

"I.E_Johansson" wrote in message
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>
> "deowll" skrev i meddelandet
> news:EqXGd.24017$tF.17022@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > wrote in message
> > news:1105934202.658903.40610@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > Would the "irish" haplotypes be from Viking traders sailing rivers
> > > through Russia to the Euphrates? Then enjoying the locals?
> > >
> > > Josh
> > >
> > During viking times there was a big slave trade with the Irish being
the
> > slaves.
>
> Correct. But unfortunatly not the first time Scandinavians are known
to have
> taken slaves, sold etc. That sad tradition is documented at least from
> Migration Age's Ostrogoths travelling down Russian Rivers.
>
> Inger E
> >
> >
>
>

The most well known Irish slave would be St Patrick, of course he wasn't
Irish or captured by Vikings.
In the 10 / 11th century, Dublin was a slave port as was Bruges in
Flanders, presumably this applied to York / Yorvic also, going by the
amount of times it was fought over by Viking warlords.
ASCe 1046 (1048), tells us that Sandwich was raided by Lothen and Yrling
with 25 ships, taking treasure and slaves, which were taken to Baldwin's
land (Flanders) and sold. These raiders we are then told, returned east
from where they came, neither of these names appears to be of Norse
origin. Yrling would appear to be Old English for the followers of Yrl,
these people may well have been Barbary Moors.

Jamie

From:	I.E_Johansson
Subject:	Re: One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:02:37 GMT

"Vaughan Sanders" skrev i
meddelandet news:csilvn$pma$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "I.E_Johansson" wrote in message
> news:I60Hd.14578$d5.122148@newsb.telia.net...
> >
> > "deowll" skrev i meddelandet
> > news:EqXGd.24017$tF.17022@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> > >
> > > wrote in message
> > > news:1105934202.658903.40610@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > Would the "irish" haplotypes be from Viking traders sailing rivers
> > > > through Russia to the Euphrates? Then enjoying the locals?
> > > >
> > > > Josh
> > > >
> > > During viking times there was a big slave trade with the Irish being
> the
> > > slaves.
> >
> > Correct. But unfortunatly not the first time Scandinavians are known
> to have
> > taken slaves, sold etc. That sad tradition is documented at least from
> > Migration Age's Ostrogoths travelling down Russian Rivers.
> >
> > Inger E
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> The most well known Irish slave would be St Patrick, of course he wasn't
> Irish or captured by Vikings.
> In the 10 / 11th century, Dublin was a slave port as was Bruges in
> Flanders, presumably this applied to York / Yorvic also, going by the
> amount of times it was fought over by Viking warlords.
> ASCe 1046 (1048), tells us that Sandwich was raided by Lothen and Yrling
> with 25 ships, taking treasure and slaves, which were taken to Baldwin's
> land (Flanders) and sold. These raiders we are then told, returned east
> from where they came, neither of these names appears to be of Norse
> origin. Yrling would appear to be Old English for the followers of Yrl,
> these people may well have been Barbary Moors.
>
> Jamie

Jamie, that's of course correct but not what I had in mind.

Inger E
>
>
>
>
>

From:	Mike
Subject:	Re: One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:36:58 -0500

The Irish were never slaves to the vikings and the Irish were not imported
to Iceland according to popular belief. The People imported to iceland were
British, Welsh, Scottish or even English. The Irish had lots of trees and
hid in the forests where the Vikings were superstitous to the Irish and
never went deep into thier forests for slaves for fear they may had not only
superior weapons of Bronze or gold Artificats, but maybe even iron age
swords.

The Vikings invaded Dublin, Limerick, and Cork but soon left afterwords on
hearing the superior gold artifacts found in Ireland such as the silver
chalice. They then went to France Normandy where they invaded them and soon
thereafter went to England and Ireland as Normans.

And this all to you is the reason the Irish are really Irish and it has
nothing to do with English invading Ireland.
"deowll" wrote in message
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>
> wrote in message
> news:1105934202.658903.40610@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Would the "irish" haplotypes be from Viking traders sailing rivers
>> through Russia to the Euphrates? Then enjoying the locals?
>>
>> Josh
>>
> During viking times there was a big slave trade with the Irish being the
> slaves.
>

From:	Philip Deitiker
Subject:	Re: One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:57:24 GMT

Doug Weller says in
news:138lu01mkv4q9s45qsg0qpkkn4fo801ldi@4ax.com:

> Hi,
>
> http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=51752005
>
> A new book and TV series by Alistair Moffat - warning, Atlantis is
> involved -- but so is Bryan Sykes.

Scots and Irish have been trying to trace their blood back to Adam
and Eve ever since they heard Adam and Eve existed. If you are a scot
or Irish you can request and ancestry and at the very end of it you
will find Adam and Eve.

There are a low frequency of mediterranean haplotypes in the Irish,
there are more Irish haplotypes however in the Iraqis. The direction
is determined by nodality and similar haplotypes.

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From:	Mike.McNamara
Subject:	Re: One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:11:09 -0500

"Philip Deitiker" wrote in message
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> Doug Weller says in
> news:138lu01mkv4q9s45qsg0qpkkn4fo801ldi@4ax.com:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=51752005
>>
>> A new book and TV series by Alistair Moffat - warning, Atlantis is
>> involved -- but so is Bryan Sykes.
>
> Scots and Irish have been trying to trace their blood back to Adam
> and Eve ever since they heard Adam and Eve existed. If you are a scot
> or Irish you can request and ancestry and at the very end of it you
> will find Adam and Eve.
>
> There are a low frequency of mediterranean haplotypes in the Irish,
> there are more Irish haplotypes however in the Iraqis. The direction
> is determined by nodality and similar haplotypes.
>
> --
> Philip
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