Massive treasure buried in the tomb of the First Emperor of China

The tomb of Qin Shi Huangdi (259 BC - 210 BC), the first emperor of China,
is said to be protected by underground crossbows to shoot automatically if
anyone tried to enter the tomb. As of yet, the interior mausoleum believed
to contain the main treasure hoard has not been opened.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1453/is_n2_v42/ai_16709356

In size, the mausoleum is larger than the Great pyramid in Egypt. The tomb
is a low earth pyramid with a wide base that measures 500 meters long by 485
meters wide, and encompasses an area of 2,000,000 square meters. Large rooms
inside the underground tomb are said to contain precious gems, gold
artifacts and more.

The Mausoleum of China's Emperor Qin
http://www.utexas.edu/courses/wilson/ant304/biography/arybios98/smithbio.html

From:	dunkers at pacbell.net
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	22 Jan 2005 00:13:13 -0800

Lothal

From:	David B
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:55:11 GMT

Amazingly, next year will be the 30th anniversary of the unearthing of the
first terracotta soldiers. How time flies.

David B.

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:30:27 GMT

"David B" wrote in message
news:3LOHd.100$l8.99@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> Amazingly, next year will be the 30th anniversary of the unearthing of the
> first terracotta soldiers. How time flies.

True David, many thousands of terra cotta warriors surrounding the
underground palace have been unearthed, but as of 2005 they still have not
entered the main underground palace. This may turn out to be one of the most
monumental excavations of the century. I wish they would hurry up.

Quote from the link below;
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shaanxi/xian/terra_cotta_army/mausoleum_6.htm

"The underground palace boasts a microcosm of
the heavens and the earth. The historical records
of the first century BC state " Work on his tomb
began as soon as Emperor Qin gained power.
The tomb contains palaces and pavilions filled
with rare gems and other treasures, and is
equipped with crossbows to shoot automatically
any intruders!"

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From:	Bobby D. Bryant
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:26:52 +0000 (UTC)

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "David B." wrote:

> Bobby D. Bryant wrote in message ...
>>
>>Hey, now we have a story for the next Indiana Jones movie!
>
> Indeed. As "Virtual Archaeology" (1997 English translation of the 1996 work
> "Archeologia: Percorsi virtuali nelle civilta scomparse") put it:
> "Vast quantities of treasure were reputed to have formed part of the
> funerary assemblage of the First Emperor, protected by defence systems
> worthy of an Indiana Jones film" ... "According to the textual sources,
> though, it was actually violated and sacked by the rebel forces that put an
> end to the brief flowering of the Qin dynasty".

It will be cool if we can find remnants of the defence systems.

At sites around the world, what kinds of defence systems have we found?
Anyone know of some cool ones?

--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas

From:	Bobby D. Bryant
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:22:43 +0000 (UTC)

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "I.E_Johansson" wrote:

> "Bobby D. Bryant" skrev i meddelandet
> news:csopmn$oah$5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
>>
>> Hey, now we have a story for the next Indiana Jones movie!
>
> No that Chinese information is 100% correct. I thought that many turists
> from US as well as from the 'Old World' had been there so this was wellknown
> information.

Always finding a way out of killfiles, but never finding a clue...

--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:12:44 GMT

"Bobby D. Bryant" wrote in message
news:csosti$q8i$5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "I.E_Johansson"
wrote:
> > No that Chinese information is 100% correct. I thought that many turists
> > from US as well as from the 'Old World' had been there so this was
wellknown
> > information.

> Always finding a way out of killfiles, but never finding a clue...
> Bobby Bryant

Bobby is being put on ignore now.

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:12:44 GMT

"Bobby D. Bryant" wrote in message
news:csosti$q8i$5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "I.E_Johansson"
wrote:
>
> > "Bobby D. Bryant" skrev i meddelandet
> > news:csopmn$oah$5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
> >>
> >> Hey, now we have a story for the next Indiana Jones movie!
> >
> > No that Chinese information is 100% correct. I thought that many turists
> > from US as well as from the 'Old World' had been there so this was
wellknown
> > information.
>
> Always finding a way out of killfiles, but never finding a clue...

By the way, who in the heck are you? If you're not interested in a subject
then ignore it.

You seem to be out here just wasting people's time.

From:	Bobby D. Bryant
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:27:52 +0000 (UTC)

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "University Studies" wrote:

> "David B" wrote in message
> news:3LOHd.100$l8.99@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>> Amazingly, next year will be the 30th anniversary of the unearthing of the
>> first terracotta soldiers. How time flies.
>
> True David, many thousands of terra cotta warriors surrounding the
> underground palace have been unearthed, but as of 2005 they still have not
> entered the main underground palace. This may turn out to be one of the most
> monumental excavations of the century. I wish they would hurry up.
>
> Quote from the link below;
> http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shaanxi/xian/terra_cotta_army/mausoleum_6.htm
>
> "The underground palace boasts a microcosm of
> the heavens and the earth. The historical records
> of the first century BC state " Work on his tomb
> began as soon as Emperor Qin gained power.
> The tomb contains palaces and pavilions filled
> with rare gems and other treasures, and is
> equipped with crossbows to shoot automatically
> any intruders!"

Hey, now we have a story for the next Indiana Jones movie!

--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:58:36 GMT

"Bobby D. Bryant" wrote in message
news:csopmn$oah$5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "University Studies" wrote:
>
> > "David B" wrote in message
> > news:3LOHd.100$l8.99@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> >> Amazingly, next year will be the 30th anniversary of the unearthing of
the
> >> first terracotta soldiers. How time flies.
> >
> > True David, many thousands of terra cotta warriors surrounding the
> > underground palace have been unearthed, but as of 2005 they still have
not
> > entered the main underground palace. This may turn out to be one of the
most
> > monumental excavations of the century. I wish they would hurry up.
> >
> > Quote from the link below;
> >
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shaanxi/xian/terra_cotta_army/mausoleum_6.htm
> >
> > "The underground palace boasts a microcosm of
> > the heavens and the earth. The historical records
> > of the first century BC state " Work on his tomb
> > began as soon as Emperor Qin gained power.
> > The tomb contains palaces and pavilions filled
> > with rare gems and other treasures, and is
> > equipped with crossbows to shoot automatically
> > any intruders!"
>
> Hey, now we have a story for the next Indiana Jones movie!

LOL Yes, the excavations would certainly make a great movie.

From:	David B.
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:18:45 -0000

Bobby D. Bryant wrote in message ...
>
>Hey, now we have a story for the next Indiana Jones movie!

Indeed. As "Virtual Archaeology" (1997 English translation of the 1996 work
"Archeologia: Percorsi virtuali nelle civilta scomparse") put it:
"Vast quantities of treasure were reputed to have formed part of the
funerary assemblage of the First Emperor, protected by defence systems
worthy of an Indiana Jones film" ... "According to the textual sources,
though, it was actually violated and sacked by the rebel forces that put an
end to the brief flowering of the Qin dynasty".

David B.

From:	I.E_Johansson
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:45:32 GMT

"Bobby D. Bryant" skrev i meddelandet
news:csopmn$oah$5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "University Studies" wrote:
>
> > "David B" wrote in message
> > news:3LOHd.100$l8.99@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> >> Amazingly, next year will be the 30th anniversary of the unearthing of
the
> >> first terracotta soldiers. How time flies.
> >
> > True David, many thousands of terra cotta warriors surrounding the
> > underground palace have been unearthed, but as of 2005 they still have
not
> > entered the main underground palace. This may turn out to be one of the
most
> > monumental excavations of the century. I wish they would hurry up.
> >
> > Quote from the link below;
> >
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shaanxi/xian/terra_cotta_army/mau
soleum_6.htm
> >
> > "The underground palace boasts a microcosm of
> > the heavens and the earth. The historical records
> > of the first century BC state " Work on his tomb
> > began as soon as Emperor Qin gained power.
> > The tomb contains palaces and pavilions filled
> > with rare gems and other treasures, and is
> > equipped with crossbows to shoot automatically
> > any intruders!"
>
> Hey, now we have a story for the next Indiana Jones movie!

No that Chinese information is 100% correct. I thought that many turists
from US as well as from the 'Old World' had been there so this was wellknown
information.

Inger E
>
> --
> Bobby Bryant
> Austin, Texas

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:12:44 GMT

"I.E_Johansson" wrote in message
news:07SHd.14819$d5.123789@newsb.telia.net...
>
> "Bobby D. Bryant" skrev i meddelandet
> news:csopmn$oah$5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
> > On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "University Studies"
wrote:
> >
> > > "David B" wrote in message
> > > news:3LOHd.100$l8.99@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> > >> Amazingly, next year will be the 30th anniversary of the unearthing
of
> the
> > >> first terracotta soldiers. How time flies.
> > >
> > > True David, many thousands of terra cotta warriors surrounding the
> > > underground palace have been unearthed, but as of 2005 they still have
> not
> > > entered the main underground palace. This may turn out to be one of
the
> most
> > > monumental excavations of the century. I wish they would hurry up.
> > >
> > > Quote from the link below;
> > >
>
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shaanxi/xian/terra_cotta_army/mau
> soleum_6.htm
> > >
> > > "The underground palace boasts a microcosm of
> > > the heavens and the earth. The historical records
> > > of the first century BC state " Work on his tomb
> > > began as soon as Emperor Qin gained power.
> > > The tomb contains palaces and pavilions filled
> > > with rare gems and other treasures, and is
> > > equipped with crossbows to shoot automatically
> > > any intruders!"
> >
> > Hey, now we have a story for the next Indiana Jones movie!
>
> No that Chinese information is 100% correct.

Yes Inger, but it can be both true and great subject material to be used to
make an Indiana Jones style adventure movie.

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:08:53 GMT

"I.E_Johansson" wrote in message
news:07SHd.14819$d5.123789@newsb.telia.net...
>
> "Bobby D. Bryant" skrev i meddelandet
> news:csopmn$oah$5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
> > On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "University Studies"
wrote:
> >
> > > "David B" wrote in message
> > > news:3LOHd.100$l8.99@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> > >> Amazingly, next year will be the 30th anniversary of the unearthing
of
> the
> > >> first terracotta soldiers. How time flies.
> > >
> > > True David, many thousands of terra cotta warriors surrounding the
> > > underground palace have been unearthed, but as of 2005 they still have
> not
> > > entered the main underground palace. This may turn out to be one of
the
> most
> > > monumental excavations of the century. I wish they would hurry up.
> > >
> > > Quote from the link below;
> > >
>
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shaanxi/xian/terra_cotta_army/mau
> soleum_6.htm
> > >
> > > "The underground palace boasts a microcosm of
> > > the heavens and the earth. The historical records
> > > of the first century BC state " Work on his tomb
> > > began as soon as Emperor Qin gained power.
> > > The tomb contains palaces and pavilions filled
> > > with rare gems and other treasures, and is
> > > equipped with crossbows to shoot automatically
> > > any intruders!"
> >
> > Hey, now we have a story for the next Indiana Jones movie!
>
> No that Chinese information is 100% correct. I thought that many turists
> from US as well as from the 'Old World' had been there so this was
wellknown
> information.
>
> Inger E

Inger, I don't think they entered the underground palace yet. A few months
ago I read an article saying a joint team of Israeli and Chinese scientists
drilled a small hole over the main palace area. They also used radar
imaging. I believe the report stated, that the palace area was still intact
and unopened.

From:	Doug Weller
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:50:42 +0000

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:45:32 GMT, in sci.archaeology, I.E_Johansson wrote:

>
>"Bobby D. Bryant" skrev i meddelandet
>news:csopmn$oah$5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "University Studies" wrote:
>>
>> > "David B" wrote in message
>> > news:3LOHd.100$l8.99@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>> >> Amazingly, next year will be the 30th anniversary of the unearthing of
>the
>> >> first terracotta soldiers. How time flies.
>> >
>> > True David, many thousands of terra cotta warriors surrounding the
>> > underground palace have been unearthed, but as of 2005 they still have
>not
>> > entered the main underground palace. This may turn out to be one of the
>most
>> > monumental excavations of the century. I wish they would hurry up.
>> >
>> > Quote from the link below;
>> >
>http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shaanxi/xian/terra_cotta_army/mau
>soleum_6.htm
>> >
>> > "The underground palace boasts a microcosm of
>> > the heavens and the earth. The historical records
>> > of the first century BC state " Work on his tomb
>> > began as soon as Emperor Qin gained power.
>> > The tomb contains palaces and pavilions filled
>> > with rare gems and other treasures, and is
>> > equipped with crossbows to shoot automatically
>> > any intruders!"
>>
>> Hey, now we have a story for the next Indiana Jones movie!
>
>No that Chinese information is 100% correct. I thought that many turists
>from US as well as from the 'Old World' had been there so this was wellknown
>information.

Ok, I'll bite. How can anyone know what is actually in an unexplored tomb?

Doug
--
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Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk

From:	I.E_Johansson
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:51:22 GMT

"Doug Weller" skrev i meddelandet
news:pcd0v0h9dotuijaobaij8hj08mdsaq0g80@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:45:32 GMT, in sci.archaeology, I.E_Johansson wrote:
>
> >
> >"Bobby D. Bryant" skrev i meddelandet
> >news:csopmn$oah$5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
> >> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "University Studies"
wrote:
> >>
> >> > "David B" wrote in message
> >> > news:3LOHd.100$l8.99@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> >> >> Amazingly, next year will be the 30th anniversary of the unearthing
of
> >the
> >> >> first terracotta soldiers. How time flies.
> >> >
> >> > True David, many thousands of terra cotta warriors surrounding the
> >> > underground palace have been unearthed, but as of 2005 they still
have
> >not
> >> > entered the main underground palace. This may turn out to be one of
the
> >most
> >> > monumental excavations of the century. I wish they would hurry up.
> >> >
> >> > Quote from the link below;
> >> >
>
>http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shaanxi/xian/terra_cotta_army/ma
u
> >soleum_6.htm
> >> >
> >> > "The underground palace boasts a microcosm of
> >> > the heavens and the earth. The historical records
> >> > of the first century BC state " Work on his tomb
> >> > began as soon as Emperor Qin gained power.
> >> > The tomb contains palaces and pavilions filled
> >> > with rare gems and other treasures, and is
> >> > equipped with crossbows to shoot automatically
> >> > any intruders!"
> >>
> >> Hey, now we have a story for the next Indiana Jones movie!
> >
> >No that Chinese information is 100% correct. I thought that many turists
> >from US as well as from the 'Old World' had been there so this was
wellknown
> >information.
>
> Ok, I'll bite. How can anyone know what is actually in an unexplored tomb?

When did you your homework on the site in question last? If you had you
would have known that while no one had believed the army to exist before it
was found the details for that as well as the latest years findings have
been known from a written documentation of the time. It's never been
believed mostly because it contains details as that the world is copied and
the seas, lakes and river in miniature-sizes have circulating 'water' in
form of mercury/quicksilver. It's said to hold the largest fortune in
juwelery ever seen and so on. The details for the 'defending'-system are
presented as are all the artifacts found up to this day. The later is the
reason why scholars and archaeologists at least expect the
'defending-system' or attack on anyone trying to enter the tomb might be
according to written source.

Inger E
>
> Doug
> --
> Doug Weller -- exorcise the demon to reply
> Doug & Helen's Dogs http://www.dougandhelen.com
> A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com
> Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk
>
>

From:	Tom McDonald
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:58:34 -0600

I.E_Johansson wrote:
> "Doug Weller" skrev i meddelandet
> news:pcd0v0h9dotuijaobaij8hj08mdsaq0g80@4ax.com...
>
>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:45:32 GMT, in sci.archaeology, I.E_Johansson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Bobby D. Bryant" skrev i meddelandet
>>>news:csopmn$oah$5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "University Studies"
>
> wrote:
>
>>>>>"David B" wrote in message
>>>>>news:3LOHd.100$l8.99@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Amazingly, next year will be the 30th anniversary of the unearthing
>
> of
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>>first terracotta soldiers. How time flies.
>>>>>
>>>>>True David, many thousands of terra cotta warriors surrounding the
>>>>>underground palace have been unearthed, but as of 2005 they still
>
> have
>
>>>not
>>>
>>>>>entered the main underground palace. This may turn out to be one of
>
> the
>
>>>most
>>>
>>>>>monumental excavations of the century. I wish they would hurry up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Quote from the link below;
>>>>>
>>
>>http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shaanxi/xian/terra_cotta_army/ma
>
> u
>
>>>soleum_6.htm
>>>
>>>>> "The underground palace boasts a microcosm of
>>>>> the heavens and the earth. The historical records
>>>>> of the first century BC state " Work on his tomb
>>>>> began as soon as Emperor Qin gained power.
>>>>> The tomb contains palaces and pavilions filled
>>>>> with rare gems and other treasures, and is
>>>>> equipped with crossbows to shoot automatically
>>>>> any intruders!"
>>>>
>>>>Hey, now we have a story for the next Indiana Jones movie!
>>>
>>>No that Chinese information is 100% correct. I thought that many turists
>>
>>>from US as well as from the 'Old World' had been there so this was
>
> wellknown
>
>>>information.
>>
>>Ok, I'll bite. How can anyone know what is actually in an unexplored tomb?
>
>
> When did you your homework on the site in question last? If you had you
> would have known that while no one had believed the army to exist before it
> was found the details for that as well as the latest years findings have
> been known from a written documentation of the time. It's never been
> believed mostly because it contains details as that the world is copied and
> the seas, lakes and river in miniature-sizes have circulating 'water' in
> form of mercury/quicksilver. It's said to hold the largest fortune in
> juwelery ever seen and so on. The details for the 'defending'-system are
> presented as are all the artifacts found up to this day. The later is the
> reason why scholars and archaeologists at least expect the
> 'defending-system' or attack on anyone trying to enter the tomb might be
> according to written source.
>

Johansson,

So no one knows what is in the tomb, including you; but there
are documents that are said to describe it? In other words, no
one knows what is in the tomb, but there is speculation. Is that
right? The documentation you mention isn't from the Qin, but
from the Han. The Han had recently vanquished the Qin when the
tomb was written about. It may or may not be the case that the
scribe had access to someone who knew the details of the tomb;
but in any case, the document is not a primary source about the
contents of the tomb; and I don't know whether the scribe was
influenced by political considerations or not. Do you?

I am intrigued by the observation that levels of mercury in the
soil around the tomb are elevated; that suggests the
*possibility* part of the legend might be based on fact.
However, no one knows exactly what is in the tomb; and no one
will know until the tomb is opened, or until new remote sensing
technology is invented and applied to the site.

That said, even if there are cocked and locked crossbows set
up, they most certainly won't be functional anymore.

--
Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/

From:	dunkers at pacbell.net
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	23 Jan 2005 10:15:06 -0800

No, I doubt it. Bronze age Chinese burial practices had scope and
grandeur.
Their representation of heaven had more proportionality and symmetry
than
burials in other parts of the world. The Shang world-view, which
certainly dominated Ch'in burial practices (Huang Di was Shang) was
rooted in the idea of symmetry to such an extent that modern Sinophiles
(KC Chang)
see it as indicitive of deep psychological disturbances..
As for why a "hand-sewn bed canopy star chart" won't be discovered in
the palace, it is necessary to pull our focus back out of the bedroom,
out from the tomb and look back down at the entire complex from a mile
or so in the sky.
What becomes evident is that the complex itself is a star chart that
is a mirror image of Ursa Major. You can verify this for yourself on
Page 54, "Great Bronze Age of China" Metropolitan Museum of Art Alfred
Knopf 1980. or "Archaeology of Ancient China" KC Chang p251.
In support of this idea is also the fact that individual tombs of the
group have sloping ramps that can be seen as the 'twinkle'., and all of
the tombs are along a north-south axis that caries only from 7 degrees
to fourteen degrees east of north. Why Ursa Major? Because it is the
constellation that is closest to Shang Ti, the Vermillion Throne; the
still point in the night sky around which everything else seems to
revolve. So a mere bed canopy star chart is too symbolic and reductive
of what Chinese kings felt to be their relationship with Tien (heaven).

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - geomancy
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:48:49 GMT

wrote in message
news:1106504106.907341.109200@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> No, I doubt it. Bronze age Chinese burial practices had scope and
> grandeur.
> Their representation of heaven had more proportionality and symmetry
> than
> burials in other parts of the world. The Shang world-view, which
> certainly dominated Ch'in burial practices (Huang Di was Shang) was
> rooted in the idea of symmetry to such an extent that modern Sinophiles
> (KC Chang)
> see it as indicitive of deep psychological disturbances..
> As for why a "hand-sewn bed canopy star chart" won't be discovered in
> the palace, it is necessary to pull our focus back out of the bedroom,
> out from the tomb and look back down at the entire complex from a mile
> or so in the sky.
> What becomes evident is that the complex itself is a star chart that
> is a mirror image of Ursa Major. You can verify this for yourself on
> Page 54, "Great Bronze Age of China" Metropolitan Museum of Art Alfred
> Knopf 1980. or "Archaeology of Ancient China" KC Chang p251.
> In support of this idea is also the fact that individual tombs of the
> group have sloping ramps that can be seen as the 'twinkle'., and all of
> the tombs are along a north-south axis that caries only from 7 degrees
> to fourteen degrees east of north. Why Ursa Major? Because it is the
> constellation that is closest to Shang Ti, the Vermillion Throne; the
> still point in the night sky around which everything else seems to
> revolve. So a mere bed canopy star chart is too symbolic and reductive
> of what Chinese kings felt to be their relationship with Tien (heaven).

Excellent piece on geomancy Dunkers has made here. My compliments. :)

If you wrote that Dunkers, I advise a Hollywood studio to send you $5,000 to
have you help on the upcoming documentary on Qin's Underground Palace now
being made. :)

Geomancy is very interesting, with more documentaries giving special
attention to this beautiful subject. Hollywood studios are moving away from
talk about "psychological disturbance" reasons though.

Excellent article Dunkers. :) You likely know about the "Giza pyramids
geomancy" that many scholars are now doing work on?

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From:	Eric Stevens
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - geomancy
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:05:37 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:48:49 GMT, "University Studies"

wrote:

> wrote in message
>news:1106504106.907341.109200@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> No, I doubt it. Bronze age Chinese burial practices had scope and
>> grandeur.
>> Their representation of heaven had more proportionality and symmetry
>> than
>> burials in other parts of the world. The Shang world-view, which
>> certainly dominated Ch'in burial practices (Huang Di was Shang) was
>> rooted in the idea of symmetry to such an extent that modern Sinophiles
>> (KC Chang)
>> see it as indicitive of deep psychological disturbances..
>> As for why a "hand-sewn bed canopy star chart" won't be discovered in
>> the palace, it is necessary to pull our focus back out of the bedroom,
>> out from the tomb and look back down at the entire complex from a mile
>> or so in the sky.
>> What becomes evident is that the complex itself is a star chart that
>> is a mirror image of Ursa Major. You can verify this for yourself on
>> Page 54, "Great Bronze Age of China" Metropolitan Museum of Art Alfred
>> Knopf 1980. or "Archaeology of Ancient China" KC Chang p251.
>> In support of this idea is also the fact that individual tombs of the
>> group have sloping ramps that can be seen as the 'twinkle'., and all of
>> the tombs are along a north-south axis that caries only from 7 degrees
>> to fourteen degrees east of north. Why Ursa Major? Because it is the
>> constellation that is closest to Shang Ti, the Vermillion Throne; the
>> still point in the night sky around which everything else seems to
>> revolve.

It is also the radiant for comet Temple.

>So a mere bed canopy star chart is too symbolic and reductive
>> of what Chinese kings felt to be their relationship with Tien (heaven).
>
>Excellent piece on geomancy Dunkers has made here. My compliments. :)
>
>If you wrote that Dunkers, I advise a Hollywood studio to send you $5,000 to
>have you help on the upcoming documentary on Qin's Underground Palace now
>being made. :)
>
>Geomancy is very interesting, with more documentaries giving special
>attention to this beautiful subject. Hollywood studios are moving away from
>talk about "psychological disturbance" reasons though.
>
>Excellent article Dunkers. :) You likely know about the "Giza pyramids
>geomancy" that many scholars are now doing work on?
>
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>Exercise your right to Freedom of Speech as guaranteed by the Constitution.
>http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html
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>
>

Eric Stevens

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:33:21 GMT

wrote in message
news:1106504106.907341.109200@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> As for why a "hand-sewn bed canopy star chart" won't be discovered in
> the palace,

It is possible, though, that a fad of that day was for emperors and kings to
have just such a "hand-sewn bed canopy star chart" in addition to the one
King Solomon received from the pharoah's daughter in 3,000 B.C.

I wondered if the reason Israeli archeologists are so interested in Qin's
Underground Palace was to see if perhaps there was such a bed canopy with
perhaps a tag on it reading "Made in Jerusalem". LOL

This is kind of humorous to suggest, but it's probably good to mix a little
humor in with good archeology topics sometimes. :)

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From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:49:41 GMT

Again Dunkers, great article. I do think you would be an excellent
researcher for the big Hollywood studios.

I'll have to put a good word in for you with my contacts in Hollywood. :)

wrote in message
news:1106504106.907341.109200@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> No, I doubt it. Bronze age Chinese burial practices had scope and
> grandeur.
> Their representation of heaven had more proportionality and symmetry
> than
> burials in other parts of the world. The Shang world-view, which
> certainly dominated Ch'in burial practices (Huang Di was Shang) was
> rooted in the idea of symmetry to such an extent that modern Sinophiles
> (KC Chang)
> see it as indicitive of deep psychological disturbances..
> As for why a "hand-sewn bed canopy star chart" won't be discovered in
> the palace, it is necessary to pull our focus back out of the bedroom,
> out from the tomb and look back down at the entire complex from a mile
> or so in the sky.
> What becomes evident is that the complex itself is a star chart that
> is a mirror image of Ursa Major. You can verify this for yourself on
> Page 54, "Great Bronze Age of China" Metropolitan Museum of Art Alfred
> Knopf 1980. or "Archaeology of Ancient China" KC Chang p251.
> In support of this idea is also the fact that individual tombs of the
> group have sloping ramps that can be seen as the 'twinkle'., and all of
> the tombs are along a north-south axis that caries only from 7 degrees
> to fourteen degrees east of north. Why Ursa Major? Because it is the
> constellation that is closest to Shang Ti, the Vermillion Throne; the
> still point in the night sky around which everything else seems to
> revolve. So a mere bed canopy star chart is too symbolic and reductive
> of what Chinese kings felt to be their relationship with Tien (heaven).
>

From:	Doug Weller
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:02:50 +0000

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:58:34 -0600, in sci.archaeology, Tom McDonald
wrote:

>I.E_Johansson wrote:
>> "Doug Weller" skrev i meddelandet
>> news:pcd0v0h9dotuijaobaij8hj08mdsaq0g80@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:45:32 GMT, in sci.archaeology, I.E_Johansson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Bobby D. Bryant" skrev i meddelandet
>>>>news:csopmn$oah$5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "University Studies"
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>"David B" wrote in message
>>>>>>news:3LOHd.100$l8.99@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Amazingly, next year will be the 30th anniversary of the unearthing
>>
>> of
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>>first terracotta soldiers. How time flies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>True David, many thousands of terra cotta warriors surrounding the
>>>>>>underground palace have been unearthed, but as of 2005 they still
>>
>> have
>>
>>>>not
>>>>
>>>>>>entered the main underground palace. This may turn out to be one of
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>most
>>>>
>>>>>>monumental excavations of the century. I wish they would hurry up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Quote from the link below;
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shaanxi/xian/terra_cotta_army/ma
>>
>> u
>>
>>>>soleum_6.htm
>>>>
>>>>>> "The underground palace boasts a microcosm of
>>>>>> the heavens and the earth. The historical records
>>>>>> of the first century BC state " Work on his tomb
>>>>>> began as soon as Emperor Qin gained power.
>>>>>> The tomb contains palaces and pavilions filled
>>>>>> with rare gems and other treasures, and is
>>>>>> equipped with crossbows to shoot automatically
>>>>>> any intruders!"
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey, now we have a story for the next Indiana Jones movie!
>>>>
>>>>No that Chinese information is 100% correct. I thought that many turists
>>>
>>>>from US as well as from the 'Old World' had been there so this was
>>
>> wellknown
>>
>>>>information.
>>>
>>>Ok, I'll bite. How can anyone know what is actually in an unexplored tomb?
>>
>>
>> When did you your homework on the site in question last? If you had you
>> would have known that while no one had believed the army to exist before it
>> was found the details for that as well as the latest years findings have
>> been known from a written documentation of the time. It's never been
>> believed mostly because it contains details as that the world is copied and
>> the seas, lakes and river in miniature-sizes have circulating 'water' in
>> form of mercury/quicksilver. It's said to hold the largest fortune in
>> juwelery ever seen and so on. The details for the 'defending'-system are
>> presented as are all the artifacts found up to this day. The later is the
>> reason why scholars and archaeologists at least expect the
>> 'defending-system' or attack on anyone trying to enter the tomb might be
>> according to written source.
>>
>
>Johansson,
>
> So no one knows what is in the tomb, including you; but there
>are documents that are said to describe it? In other words, no
>one knows what is in the tomb, but there is speculation. Is that
>right? The documentation you mention isn't from the Qin, but
>from the Han. The Han had recently vanquished the Qin when the
>tomb was written about. It may or may not be the case that the
>scribe had access to someone who knew the details of the tomb;
>but in any case, the document is not a primary source about the
>contents of the tomb; and I don't know whether the scribe was
>influenced by political considerations or not. Do you?
>
Hey, that's what I was going to say! Inger insists that something is true
not on the basis of physical evidence but of written evidence (which even
if contemporary may not have been true).

I worry about these Swedish methods courses Inger keeps talking about,
they can lead one to believe that all sorts of fantastical ideas are
truth.

> I am intrigued by the observation that levels of mercury in the
>soil around the tomb are elevated; that suggests the
>*possibility* part of the legend might be based on fact.
>However, no one knows exactly what is in the tomb; and no one
>will know until the tomb is opened, or until new remote sensing
>technology is invented and applied to the site.

2 good reasons to wait to excavate -- and the development of more
sophisticated remote technology is a major one. Don't do damage until we
can get the maximum information from it.
>
> That said, even if there are cocked and locked crossbows set
>up, they most certainly won't be functional anymore.

Doug
--
Doug Weller -- exorcise the demon to reply
Doug & Helen's Dogs http://www.dougandhelen.com
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Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:43:57 GMT

"Doug Weller" wrote in message
news:lj61v0hdl26gcs67pjh1s6iufmdh5l7nql@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:58:34 -0600, in sci.archaeology, Tom McDonald
> wrote:
>
> >I.E_Johansson wrote:
> >> "Doug Weller" skrev i
meddelandet
> >> news:pcd0v0h9dotuijaobaij8hj08mdsaq0g80@4ax.com...
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:45:32 GMT, in sci.archaeology, I.E_Johansson
wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"Bobby D. Bryant" skrev i meddelandet
> >>>>news:csopmn$oah$5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "University Studies"
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>"David B" wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:3LOHd.100$l8.99@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Amazingly, next year will be the 30th anniversary of the unearthing
> >>
> >> of
> >>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>first terracotta soldiers. How time flies.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>True David, many thousands of terra cotta warriors surrounding the
> >>>>>>underground palace have been unearthed, but as of 2005 they still
> >>
> >> have
> >>
> >>>>not
> >>>>
> >>>>>>entered the main underground palace. This may turn out to be one of
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>most
> >>>>
> >>>>>>monumental excavations of the century. I wish they would hurry up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Quote from the link below;
> >>>>>>
> >>>
>
>>>http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shaanxi/xian/terra_cotta_army/
ma
> >>
> >> u
> >>
> >>>>soleum_6.htm
> >>>>
> >>>>>> "The underground palace boasts a microcosm of
> >>>>>> the heavens and the earth. The historical records
> >>>>>> of the first century BC state " Work on his tomb
> >>>>>> began as soon as Emperor Qin gained power.
> >>>>>> The tomb contains palaces and pavilions filled
> >>>>>> with rare gems and other treasures, and is
> >>>>>> equipped with crossbows to shoot automatically
> >>>>>> any intruders!"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Hey, now we have a story for the next Indiana Jones movie!
> >>>>
> >>>>No that Chinese information is 100% correct. I thought that many
turists
> >>>
> >>>>from US as well as from the 'Old World' had been there so this was
> >>
> >> wellknown
> >>
> >>>>information.
> >>>
> >>>Ok, I'll bite. How can anyone know what is actually in an unexplored
tomb?
> >>
> >>
> >> When did you your homework on the site in question last? If you had you
> >> would have known that while no one had believed the army to exist
before it
> >> was found the details for that as well as the latest years findings
have
> >> been known from a written documentation of the time. It's never been
> >> believed mostly because it contains details as that the world is copied
and
> >> the seas, lakes and river in miniature-sizes have circulating 'water'
in
> >> form of mercury/quicksilver. It's said to hold the largest fortune in
> >> juwelery ever seen and so on. The details for the 'defending'-system
are
> >> presented as are all the artifacts found up to this day. The later is
the
> >> reason why scholars and archaeologists at least expect the
> >> 'defending-system' or attack on anyone trying to enter the tomb might
be
> >> according to written source.
> >>
> >
> >Johansson,
> >
> > So no one knows what is in the tomb, including you; but there
> >are documents that are said to describe it? In other words, no
> >one knows what is in the tomb, but there is speculation. Is that
> >right? The documentation you mention isn't from the Qin, but
> >from the Han. The Han had recently vanquished the Qin when the
> >tomb was written about. It may or may not be the case that the
> >scribe had access to someone who knew the details of the tomb;
> >but in any case, the document is not a primary source about the
> >contents of the tomb; and I don't know whether the scribe was
> >influenced by political considerations or not. Do you?
> >
> Hey, that's what I was going to say! Inger insists that something is true
> not on the basis of physical evidence but of written evidence (which even
> if contemporary may not have been true).

I think what researchers are saying, is that everything that was written in
the ancient account of the Emperor's underground tomb is proving true. The
terra cotta soldiers guarding it, its amazing size, etc.

The ancient description of what is inside the inner Palace itself could well
be true as well. Any emperor with 700,000 laborers to build his tomb would
certainly be wealthy enough to lavish it with scale model buildings of the
capital city, rivers of mercury and more.

It would be kind of hard to breathe down there though, with all that
mercury. lol That is something which seems to be slowing the researchers
down.

A few months ago, I remember reading a very tiny article stating an
Israeli-Chinese team conducted remote tests on the Underground Palace itself
(which is separate from the larger surrounding underground tomb area) and
they reported no water has leaked into the inner palace. Apparently the
lining around the walls was very well constructed.

The communist Chinese government is perhaps keeping a tight lid on what new
information comes out of this excavation. Plus they are moving slowly. But I
believe the report said the team had not entered the Undergound Palace, nor
breached its walls in any manner.

From:	Tedd Jacobs
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:48:39 -0700

"Doug Weller" wrote in message
news:lj61v0hdl26gcs67pjh1s6iufmdh5l7nql@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:58:34 -0600, in sci.archaeology, Tom McDonald
> wrote:
>
>>I.E_Johansson wrote:
>>> "Doug Weller" skrev i
>>> meddelandet
>>> news:pcd0v0h9dotuijaobaij8hj08mdsaq0g80@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:45:32 GMT, in sci.archaeology, I.E_Johansson
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Bobby D. Bryant" skrev i meddelandet
>>>>>news:csopmn$oah$5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "University Studies"
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>"David B" wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:3LOHd.100$l8.99@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Amazingly, next year will be the 30th anniversary of the unearthing
>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>first terracotta soldiers. How time flies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>True David, many thousands of terra cotta warriors surrounding the
>>>>>>>underground palace have been unearthed, but as of 2005 they still
>>>
>>> have
>>>
>>>>>not
>>>>>
>>>>>>>entered the main underground palace. This may turn out to be one of
>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>most
>>>>>
>>>>>>>monumental excavations of the century. I wish they would hurry up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Quote from the link below;
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shaanxi/xian/terra_cotta_army/ma
>>>
>>> u
>>>
>>>>>soleum_6.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The underground palace boasts a microcosm of
>>>>>>> the heavens and the earth. The historical records
>>>>>>> of the first century BC state " Work on his tomb
>>>>>>> began as soon as Emperor Qin gained power.
>>>>>>> The tomb contains palaces and pavilions filled
>>>>>>> with rare gems and other treasures, and is
>>>>>>> equipped with crossbows to shoot automatically
>>>>>>> any intruders!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey, now we have a story for the next Indiana Jones movie!
>>>>>
>>>>>No that Chinese information is 100% correct. I thought that many
>>>>>turists
>>>>
>>>>>from US as well as from the 'Old World' had been there so this was
>>>
>>> wellknown
>>>
>>>>>information.
>>>>
>>>>Ok, I'll bite. How can anyone know what is actually in an unexplored
>>>>tomb?
>>>
>>>
>>> When did you your homework on the site in question last? If you had you
>>> would have known that while no one had believed the army to exist before
>>> it
>>> was found the details for that as well as the latest years findings have
>>> been known from a written documentation of the time. It's never been
>>> believed mostly because it contains details as that the world is copied
>>> and
>>> the seas, lakes and river in miniature-sizes have circulating 'water' in
>>> form of mercury/quicksilver. It's said to hold the largest fortune in
>>> juwelery ever seen and so on. The details for the 'defending'-system are
>>> presented as are all the artifacts found up to this day. The later is
>>> the
>>> reason why scholars and archaeologists at least expect the
>>> 'defending-system' or attack on anyone trying to enter the tomb might be
>>> according to written source.
>>>
>>
>>Johansson,
>>
>> So no one knows what is in the tomb, including you; but there
>>are documents that are said to describe it? In other words, no
>>one knows what is in the tomb, but there is speculation. Is that
>>right? The documentation you mention isn't from the Qin, but
>>from the Han. The Han had recently vanquished the Qin when the
>>tomb was written about. It may or may not be the case that the
>>scribe had access to someone who knew the details of the tomb;
>>but in any case, the document is not a primary source about the
>>contents of the tomb; and I don't know whether the scribe was
>>influenced by political considerations or not. Do you?
>>
> Hey, that's what I was going to say! Inger insists that something is true
> not on the basis of physical evidence but of written evidence (which even
> if contemporary may not have been true).
>
> I worry about these Swedish methods courses Inger keeps talking about,
> they can lead one to believe that all sorts of fantastical ideas are
> truth.
>
>> I am intrigued by the observation that levels of mercury in the
>>soil around the tomb are elevated; that suggests the
>>*possibility* part of the legend might be based on fact.
>>However, no one knows exactly what is in the tomb; and no one
>>will know until the tomb is opened, or until new remote sensing
>>technology is invented and applied to the site.
>
> 2 good reasons to wait to excavate -- and the development of more
> sophisticated remote technology is a major one. Don't do damage until we
> can get the maximum information from it.

umm,... okay, no blasting. but we can still use the backhoe, right?

>>
>> That said, even if there are cocked and locked crossbows set
>>up, they most certainly won't be functional anymore.
>
> Doug
> --
> Doug Weller -- exorcise the demon to reply
> Doug & Helen's Dogs http://www.dougandhelen.com
> A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com
> Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk
>
>

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:57:47 GMT

"Doug Weller" wrote in message
news:lj61v0hdl26gcs67pjh1s6iufmdh5l7nql@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:58:34 -0600, in sci.archaeology, Tom McDonald
> wrote:
>
> >I.E_Johansson wrote:
> >> "Doug Weller" skrev i
meddelandet
> >> news:pcd0v0h9dotuijaobaij8hj08mdsaq0g80@4ax.com...
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:45:32 GMT, in sci.archaeology, I.E_Johansson
wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"Bobby D. Bryant" skrev i meddelandet
> >>>>news:csopmn$oah$5@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, "University Studies"
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>"David B" wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:3LOHd.100$l8.99@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Amazingly, next year will be the 30th anniversary of the unearthing
> >>
> >> of
> >>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>first terracotta soldiers. How time flies.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>True David, many thousands of terra cotta warriors surrounding the
> >>>>>>underground palace have been unearthed, but as of 2005 they still
> >>
> >> have
> >>
> >>>>not
> >>>>
> >>>>>>entered the main underground palace. This may turn out to be one of
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>most
> >>>>
> >>>>>>monumental excavations of the century. I wish they would hurry up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Quote from the link below;
> >>>>>>
> >>>
>
>>>http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shaanxi/xian/terra_cotta_army/
ma
> >>
> >> u
> >>
> >>>>soleum_6.htm
> >>>>
> >>>>>> "The underground palace boasts a microcosm of
> >>>>>> the heavens and the earth. The historical records
> >>>>>> of the first century BC state " Work on his tomb
> >>>>>> began as soon as Emperor Qin gained power.
> >>>>>> The tomb contains palaces and pavilions filled
> >>>>>> with rare gems and other treasures, and is
> >>>>>> equipped with crossbows to shoot automatically
> >>>>>> any intruders!"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Hey, now we have a story for the next Indiana Jones movie!
> >>>>
> >>>>No that Chinese information is 100% correct. I thought that many
turists
> >>>
> >>>>from US as well as from the 'Old World' had been there so this was
> >>
> >> wellknown
> >>
> >>>>information.
> >>>
> >>>Ok, I'll bite. How can anyone know what is actually in an unexplored
tomb?
> >>
> >>
> >> When did you your homework on the site in question last? If you had you
> >> would have known that while no one had believed the army to exist
before it
> >> was found the details for that as well as the latest years findings
have
> >> been known from a written documentation of the time. It's never been
> >> believed mostly because it contains details as that the world is copied
and
> >> the seas, lakes and river in miniature-sizes have circulating 'water'
in
> >> form of mercury/quicksilver. It's said to hold the largest fortune in
> >> juwelery ever seen and so on. The details for the 'defending'-system
are
> >> presented as are all the artifacts found up to this day. The later is
the
> >> reason why scholars and archaeologists at least expect the
> >> 'defending-system' or attack on anyone trying to enter the tomb might
be
> >> according to written source.
> >>
> >
> >Johansson,
> >
> > So no one knows what is in the tomb, including you; but there
> >are documents that are said to describe it? In other words, no
> >one knows what is in the tomb, but there is speculation. Is that
> >right? The documentation you mention isn't from the Qin, but
> >from the Han. The Han had recently vanquished the Qin when the
> >tomb was written about. It may or may not be the case that the
> >scribe had access to someone who knew the details of the tomb;
> >but in any case, the document is not a primary source about the
> >contents of the tomb; and I don't know whether the scribe was
> >influenced by political considerations or not. Do you?
> >
> Hey, that's what I was going to say! Inger insists that something is true
> not on the basis of physical evidence but of written evidence (which even
> if contemporary may not have been true).
>
> I worry about these Swedish methods courses Inger keeps talking about,
> they can lead one to believe that all sorts of fantastical ideas are
> truth.
>
> > I am intrigued by the observation that levels of mercury in the
> >soil around the tomb are elevated; that suggests the
> >*possibility* part of the legend might be based on fact.
> >However, no one knows exactly what is in the tomb; and no one
> >will know until the tomb is opened, or until new remote sensing
> >technology is invented and applied to the site.
>
> 2 good reasons to wait to excavate --

I would advise China to enter the tomb now. Dig downwards next to the
Underground Palace, then drill up an angle up into the palace wall. Drill a
good-sized hole, wait to allow any liquids to drain out, then send a robot
camera up into the Palace area to look around.

It's going to be a big find.

Here's another article on Emperor Qin's tomb. The article isn't too recent,
but it does give detailed more info on it
http://www.bjreview.com.cn/200304/Culture-200304.htm

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From:	Philip Deitiker
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:27:01 GMT

Doug Weller says in
news:lj61v0hdl26gcs67pjh1s6iufmdh5l7nql@4ax.com:

> I worry about these Swedish methods courses Inger keeps talking
> about, they can lead one to believe that all sorts of
> fantastical ideas are truth.

Ya don't say, do you remember the discussion of the Mercator map, and
Inger's claim of a Norwegian fleet sailing around greenland to points
'North'.

From:	dunkers at pacbell.net
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	21 Jan 2005 21:30:04 -0800

The absolute despotism of the Tiger of Ch'in made progress rapid.
Standardization, uniformity and the 'quantification of everything under
heaven'
made uprooting not a half a million me, but a half a million
households. Entire tribes picked up and plomped down elsewhere. Aren't
there some dna results that can only be explained by forced rapid
migratory events? Their eco-technics was based on labor, Their social
engineering was ruthless and effective. There was an interesting
comment by KC Chang referring to the Shang and Chou dynasties and their
near-obsessive fixation on symmetry.
He called it emblematic of deep psychological disturbances. He may have
worked them to death bit Huang Ti moved them around like an imperial
three card monte hand. And this rumour about the walled up 700,000 is
suspect. Besides at Chins time the terminus on the Silk Road had an
access the sea. We know of several large expeditions sent out.

From:	I.E_Johansson
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 05:57:03 GMT

skrev i meddelandet
news:1106371804.881639.230050@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> The absolute despotism of the Tiger of Ch'in made progress rapid.
> Standardization, uniformity and the 'quantification of everything under
> heaven'
> made uprooting not a half a million me, but a half a million
> households. Entire tribes picked up and plomped down elsewhere. Aren't
> there some dna results that can only be explained by forced rapid
> migratory events? Their eco-technics was based on labor, Their social
> engineering was ruthless and effective. There was an interesting
> comment by KC Chang referring to the Shang and Chou dynasties and their
> near-obsessive fixation on symmetry.
> He called it emblematic of deep psychological disturbances. He may have
> worked them to death bit Huang Ti moved them around like an imperial
> three card monte hand. And this rumour about the walled up 700,000 is
> suspect. Besides at Chins time the terminus on the Silk Road had an
> access the sea. We know of several large expeditions sent out.

Do you by any chance know where the access to the sea was and if excavations
been made in the 'harbor' areas there?

Inger E
>

From:	dunkers at pacbell.net
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	21 Jan 2005 17:34:40 -0800

I believe it was a mixture of whale oil and tung oil. I'll check with
Ssu Ma. As I recall, the lasting forever part was due to the lamps
being fed by pipe from a large central cistern.

From:	University Studies
Subject:	Re: Interesting archeological discovery - Emperor Qin's tomb
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:02:24 GMT