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 | | From: | unglued | | Subject: | Re: Stalking in Swedish | | Date: | 17 Jan 2005 10:02:05 -0800 |
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University Studies wrote:
> "unglued" wrote in message
> news:1105970807.399221.78590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> > We recently had a case here in Sweden where a certified maniac
drove
> > his car at high speed down a pedestrian street in Stockholms old
town
> > killing several people.
>
> They should have taught him morals. It's the Swedish government's
job to
> teach people who have problems as to what the law is, how to obey the
law,
> to teach them morals, etc.
The Swedish government's job is to govern the country. Not to be
belated parents.
>
> There is no such thing as a "certified maniac". The constitutions in
all of
> our countries require a person charged with a crime to be tried in
court. He
> is innocent until proven guilty. If he is found guilty by a jury,
then he is
> convicted of that offense. He is "certified" as having committed that
> particular crime.
In Sweden, someone found guilty of commiting a crime while out of their
minds is sentenced to "health care" not punished in the normal sense of
the word.
>
> If not, then a person cannot be certified as anything under the
> Constitution. If you mean the person went into a mental health
facility at
> some point in the past, this means just means the person went 3 or 4
days
> straight without sleep and went into a hospital to rest and get
medication.
> Hospitals have absolutely nothing to do with breaking the lawn, nor
do they
> house criminals.
Wrong.
>
> If that individual you mention did originally commit a crime but was
instead
> placed in a mental health facility, well then that shows this is not
how to
> handle people who break the law.
Standard practice here.
>
> The various psychiatric diagnoses we sometimes hear on TV have been
used so
> much for practically anything, they have no meaning anymore.
> The Swedish government should also refrain from allowing any doctor
to tell
> a person he has a mental illness that can make him break the law.
This is
> done by denying government funding to any psychiatrist, psychologist,
> counselor or TV channel which promotes this incorrect view.
>
> Every person is to be held fully accountable for any crime he
commits. An
> illness cannot make a person break the law. Nor should anyone be
taught
> these foolish incorrect utterances.
>
> http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/sup/fictional.html
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| | From: | University Studies | | Subject: | Re: Stalking in Swedish | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:52:18 GMT |
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| "unglued" wrote in message
news:1105984925.849194.75320@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
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> University Studies wrote:
> > "unglued" wrote in message
> > news:1105970807.399221.78590@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
>
> > >
> > > We recently had a case here in Sweden where a certified maniac
> drove
> > > his car at high speed down a pedestrian street in Stockholms old
> town
> > > killing several people.
> >
> > They should have taught him morals. It's the Swedish government's
> job to
> > teach people who have problems as to what the law is, how to obey the
> law,
> > to teach them morals, etc.
>
> The Swedish government's job is to govern the country. Not to be
> belated parents.
It is, once a person is taken into custody by the police. That person then
comes under the charge and care of the Swedish government, and the Swedish
government is responsible for that person.
> > There is no such thing as a "certified maniac". The constitutions in
> all of
> > our countries require a person charged with a crime to be tried in
> court. He
> > is innocent until proven guilty. If he is found guilty by a jury,
> then he is
> > convicted of that offense. He is "certified" as having committed that
> > particular crime.
>
> In Sweden, someone found guilty of commiting a crime while out of their
> minds is sentenced to "health care" not punished in the normal sense of
> the word.
It is extremely rare someone gets off with this defense. Plus it is a bogus
defense. Most law abiding people want the insanity defense banned because it
is impossible to prove or disprove. It can allow dangerous criminals to
escape justice and be set freed after giving some "bogus excuses" as to why
he committed the crime. It is preposterous to suggest that an illness can
make a person break the law.
If you want to accept it, go ahead. But all the scientific studies in the
world have shown there is no chemical, drug or illness that can "make a
person break the law". None.
During the 1950s and 60s as the Cold War began, the CIA spent large amounts
of money investigating all kinds of drugs to find out if any chemicals could
be used against Americans to make them become violent. None were found.
The drug LSD did, however, make a person stop sleeping for many days
straight, and in large doses LSD stops a person from sleeping for many weeks
straight. The prolonged sleep loss can cause a person to slur his words,
look disheveled, daydream a bit more and perhaps enter a mental health
facility to get lithium carbonate pills to bring back needed sleep. But the
fact is that LSD did not "make anyone break the law".
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| | From: | Doug Weller | | Subject: | Re: Stalking in Swedish | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:58:39 +0000 |
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| On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:52:18 GMT, in sci.archaeology, University Studies
wrote:
[SNIP]
>
>If you want to accept it, go ahead. But all the scientific studies in the
>world have shown there is no chemical, drug or illness that can "make a
>person break the law". None.
Off topic and completely untrue, verging on a lie. Or maybe just playing
with words. There are clearly drugs, illnesses etc. that can make a
personal not responsible for their actions. Civilized countries recognise
this.
>
>During the 1950s and 60s as the Cold War began, the CIA spent large amounts
>of money investigating all kinds of drugs to find out if any chemicals could
>be used against Americans to make them become violent. None were found.
Once again claims with no evidence. Not that I would trust the CIA.
http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_washington/20030601wacover2.asp
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/08/26/paxil_zoloft_xantax_drug_induced_violence.htm
http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh25-1/12-19.htm
etc.
Doug
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