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 | | From: | unglued | | Subject: | Re: Stalking in Swedish | | Date: | 17 Jan 2005 06:16:15 -0800 |
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I.E_Johansson wrote:
> unglued,
> 'every one is' you say. Well not everyone has been haressed, abused
and
> stalked on net by same 20 persons for more than two years. That's one
thing.
> Among those persons are 3 who definitely been cut of from access more
than
> once of the suppliers they have had due to them sending private
mails to
> me. There are also 2 others who have been told by their border of the
> University faculties that they aren't allowed to use the University's
> accounts at all if they continue and 1 who has been told that he risk
his
> own position. I have had great help of my own suppliers and others
alike
> around the world.
I will not enter upon any discussion with you in this matter howerver
you should be aware that with the aid of freely available tools it is
possible to forge the source of any given package of data on the net.
One mischeivous person could with impunity impersonate 20 other people
and no one could prove a thing. Anyone who claims they can definatly
pinpoint the source of a mail message is ignorant.
>
> Inger E
> "unglued" skrev i meddelandet
> news:1105961343.334595.167570@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > I.E_Johansson wrote:
> > > "unglued" skrev i meddelandet
> > > news:1105898079.953626.208820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > > Lasse once said, an other question but related to this, that it's
> > easier
> > > when you know the person who has been stalked. What many here
seem to
> > forget
> > > is that it's not be taken seriously that's up. I have had the
> > pleasure to
> > > know several of those who sits on posts in Parliament, earlier
> > Goverments,
> > > High posts in University and newspaper since the days we either
> > studied
> > > together or were working during the 70's together politically.
Never
> > had any
> > > problems with anyone that really counts not taken me seriously.
> > Doesn't mean
> > > that every one agrees with everyone. Only that people who have
known
> > each
> > > other for more than 30 years respect each others thoughts and
> > opinion.
> > >
> > > That's not a problem. But to be called names and have people
> > haressing me
> > > as a person, sending me abuse - yes one of the worst 10 showed
the
> > other
> > > day how keen he is to do so no matter what he tries to 'tell the
> > world',
> > > that's stalking.
> >
> > That's you own definition of stalking and not many people would
agree
> > with you.
> > For most people it means having a maniac hanging around out side
your
> > door, spying on you and following you around. Everyone with a
e-mail
> > address has it filled with "abuse" and harassing messages
everyday.
> > Everyone who participates on the usenet is subject to rudness and
> > provocations, that's a part of our modern life and it's self
inflicted.
> > No one is forced to expose themselves to the whole world. With your
> > definition everyone is stalked.
> >
> > >Apart from which, if you or anyone else don't agree with my
> > > writing or with anyone else writing, it would be better for you
or
> > the
> > > someone who does if contra-argument(-s) were presented. No
scholar
> > who wants
> > > to be taken seriously should try to pick on an other such as some
> > here have
> > > done on me. That's to write Ad Hominem or abusive lines instead
of
> > showing
> > > capability to discuss subject line.
> > >
> > > Inger E
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it too much paranoia? Or is Inger more powerful than you
> > thought?
> > > > > Or is there a real problem?
> > > >
> > > > It's a real problem for those who are really stalked (not just
> > having
> > > > their posts on usenet made ridicule) but it's not a hotly
debated
> > > > problem here in any sense of the term.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy.
> > > >
> >
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| | From: | I.E_Johansson | | Subject: | Re: Stalking in Swedish | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:44:39 GMT |
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| unglued,
I have more than 34 years experience with computers. I am well aware of the
methods used by some trying to act as if they were 10 others. But I am also
aware that the IP address can be tracked. Guess you know that too. The
supplier can always find who is behind and there are softwares provided by
suppliers to track as well.
Inger E
"unglued" skrev i meddelandet
news:1105971375.310774.58850@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> I.E_Johansson wrote:
> > unglued,
> > 'every one is' you say. Well not everyone has been haressed, abused
> and
> > stalked on net by same 20 persons for more than two years. That's one
> thing.
> > Among those persons are 3 who definitely been cut of from access more
> than
> > once of the suppliers they have had due to them sending private
> mails to
> > me. There are also 2 others who have been told by their border of the
> > University faculties that they aren't allowed to use the University's
> > accounts at all if they continue and 1 who has been told that he risk
> his
> > own position. I have had great help of my own suppliers and others
> alike
> > around the world.
>
> I will not enter upon any discussion with you in this matter howerver
> you should be aware that with the aid of freely available tools it is
> possible to forge the source of any given package of data on the net.
> One mischeivous person could with impunity impersonate 20 other people
> and no one could prove a thing. Anyone who claims they can definatly
> pinpoint the source of a mail message is ignorant.
>
> >
> > Inger E
> > "unglued" skrev i meddelandet
> > news:1105961343.334595.167570@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > I.E_Johansson wrote:
> > > > "unglued" skrev i meddelandet
> > > > news:1105898079.953626.208820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Lasse once said, an other question but related to this, that it's
> > > easier
> > > > when you know the person who has been stalked. What many here
> seem to
> > > forget
> > > > is that it's not be taken seriously that's up. I have had the
> > > pleasure to
> > > > know several of those who sits on posts in Parliament, earlier
> > > Goverments,
> > > > High posts in University and newspaper since the days we either
> > > studied
> > > > together or were working during the 70's together politically.
> Never
> > > had any
> > > > problems with anyone that really counts not taken me seriously.
> > > Doesn't mean
> > > > that every one agrees with everyone. Only that people who have
> known
> > > each
> > > > other for more than 30 years respect each others thoughts and
> > > opinion.
> > > >
> > > > That's not a problem. But to be called names and have people
> > > haressing me
> > > > as a person, sending me abuse - yes one of the worst 10 showed
> the
> > > other
> > > > day how keen he is to do so no matter what he tries to 'tell the
> > > world',
> > > > that's stalking.
> > >
> > > That's you own definition of stalking and not many people would
> agree
> > > with you.
> > > For most people it means having a maniac hanging around out side
> your
> > > door, spying on you and following you around. Everyone with a
> e-mail
> > > address has it filled with "abuse" and harassing messages
> everyday.
> > > Everyone who participates on the usenet is subject to rudness and
> > > provocations, that's a part of our modern life and it's self
> inflicted.
> > > No one is forced to expose themselves to the whole world. With your
> > > definition everyone is stalked.
> > >
> > > >Apart from which, if you or anyone else don't agree with my
> > > > writing or with anyone else writing, it would be better for you
> or
> > > the
> > > > someone who does if contra-argument(-s) were presented. No
> scholar
> > > who wants
> > > > to be taken seriously should try to pick on an other such as some
> > > here have
> > > > done on me. That's to write Ad Hominem or abusive lines instead
> of
> > > showing
> > > > capability to discuss subject line.
> > > >
> > > > Inger E
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it too much paranoia? Or is Inger more powerful than you
> > > thought?
> > > > > > Or is there a real problem?
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a real problem for those who are really stalked (not just
> > > having
> > > > > their posts on usenet made ridicule) but it's not a hotly
> debated
> > > > > problem here in any sense of the term.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy.
> > > > >
> > >
>
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| | From: | tiglath | | Subject: | Re: Stalking in Swedish | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:09:21 -0500 |
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"I.E_Johansson" wrote in message
news:rbQGd.14493$d5.121670@newsb.telia.net...
> unglued,
> I have more than 34 years experience with computers. I am well aware of
the
> methods used by some trying to act as if they were 10 others. But I am
also
> aware that the IP address can be tracked. Guess you know that too. The
> supplier can always find who is behind and there are softwares provided by
> suppliers to track as well.
Fool.
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| | From: | Tedd Jacobs | | Subject: | Re: Stalking in Swedish | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:11:55 -0700 |
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"I.E_Johansson" wrote in message
news:rbQGd.14493$d5.121670@newsb.telia.net...
> unglued,
> I have more than 34 years experience with computers. I am well aware of
> the
> methods used by some trying to act as if they were 10 others. But I am
> also
> aware that the IP address can be tracked. Guess you know that too. The
> supplier can always find who is behind and there are softwares provided by
> suppliers to track as well.
riiiiiight.
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| | From: | University Studies | | Subject: | Re: Stalking in Swedish | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:07:23 GMT |
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| Well Inger, to top post here a moment I will agree that Unglued is right.
One cannot look at Usenet as 100% fact. It is loose general conversation
like that in a noisy bar. If someone blurts something out it may or may not
be that person. IPs and headers can be forged to harass people by someone
with money, but again, if a person does this he harms his own situation more
than anyone else's. This is because he is the one doing it.
http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/country/harassment.html
"I.E_Johansson" wrote in message
news:rbQGd.14493$d5.121670@newsb.telia.net...
> unglued,
> I have more than 34 years experience with computers. I am well aware of
the
> methods used by some trying to act as if they were 10 others. But I am
also
> aware that the IP address can be tracked. Guess you know that too. The
> supplier can always find who is behind and there are softwares provided by
> suppliers to track as well.
>
> Inger E
> "unglued" skrev i meddelandet
> news:1105971375.310774.58850@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > I.E_Johansson wrote:
> > > unglued,
> > > 'every one is' you say. Well not everyone has been haressed, abused
> > and
> > > stalked on net by same 20 persons for more than two years. That's one
> > thing.
> > > Among those persons are 3 who definitely been cut of from access more
> > than
> > > once of the suppliers they have had due to them sending private
> > mails to
> > > me. There are also 2 others who have been told by their border of the
> > > University faculties that they aren't allowed to use the University's
> > > accounts at all if they continue and 1 who has been told that he risk
> > his
> > > own position. I have had great help of my own suppliers and others
> > alike
> > > around the world.
> >
> > I will not enter upon any discussion with you in this matter howerver
> > you should be aware that with the aid of freely available tools it is
> > possible to forge the source of any given package of data on the net.
> > One mischeivous person could with impunity impersonate 20 other people
> > and no one could prove a thing. Anyone who claims they can definatly
> > pinpoint the source of a mail message is ignorant.
> >
> > >
> > > Inger E
> > > "unglued" skrev i meddelandet
> > > news:1105961343.334595.167570@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > I.E_Johansson wrote:
> > > > > "unglued" skrev i meddelandet
> > > > > news:1105898079.953626.208820@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Lasse once said, an other question but related to this, that it's
> > > > easier
> > > > > when you know the person who has been stalked. What many here
> > seem to
> > > > forget
> > > > > is that it's not be taken seriously that's up. I have had the
> > > > pleasure to
> > > > > know several of those who sits on posts in Parliament, earlier
> > > > Goverments,
> > > > > High posts in University and newspaper since the days we either
> > > > studied
> > > > > together or were working during the 70's together politically.
> > Never
> > > > had any
> > > > > problems with anyone that really counts not taken me seriously.
> > > > Doesn't mean
> > > > > that every one agrees with everyone. Only that people who have
> > known
> > > > each
> > > > > other for more than 30 years respect each others thoughts and
> > > > opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's not a problem. But to be called names and have people
> > > > haressing me
> > > > > as a person, sending me abuse - yes one of the worst 10 showed
> > the
> > > > other
> > > > > day how keen he is to do so no matter what he tries to 'tell the
> > > > world',
> > > > > that's stalking.
> > > >
> > > > That's you own definition of stalking and not many people would
> > agree
> > > > with you.
> > > > For most people it means having a maniac hanging around out side
> > your
> > > > door, spying on you and following you around. Everyone with a
> > e-mail
> > > > address has it filled with "abuse" and harassing messages
> > everyday.
> > > > Everyone who participates on the usenet is subject to rudness and
> > > > provocations, that's a part of our modern life and it's self
> > inflicted.
> > > > No one is forced to expose themselves to the whole world. With your
> > > > definition everyone is stalked.
> > > >
> > > > >Apart from which, if you or anyone else don't agree with my
> > > > > writing or with anyone else writing, it would be better for you
> > or
> > > > the
> > > > > someone who does if contra-argument(-s) were presented. No
> > scholar
> > > > who wants
> > > > > to be taken seriously should try to pick on an other such as some
> > > > here have
> > > > > done on me. That's to write Ad Hominem or abusive lines instead
> > of
> > > > showing
> > > > > capability to discuss subject line.
> > > > >
> > > > > Inger E
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is it too much paranoia? Or is Inger more powerful than you
> > > > thought?
> > > > > > > Or is there a real problem?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's a real problem for those who are really stalked (not just
> > > > having
> > > > > > their posts on usenet made ridicule) but it's not a hotly
> > debated
> > > > > > problem here in any sense of the term.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
>
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