Hi,

I own a Dakine Thermoform harness and experience following
issue: After a few minutes of sailing, the spreader
bar is at least a got inch away from my body. As a
result, if have to consonantly re-tighten it. I
recently replaced the webbing (it was worn out) and
one of the buckles. While this helped somewhat, the
problem is still there.

I talked to a few other folks who use Dakines and some
of the experience the same problem. We couldn't
figure out what causes it for some of us.

I am pretty close to trying a different brand...

Any advice on how to solve the problem on the Dakine Thermoform or any
recommendation regarding alternative harnesses who don't have this
problem?

Chris

From:	Dog
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	18 Jan 2005 15:30:47 -0800

Well that blows that theory. I guess it's just a case of every builder
occasionally builds a lemon.

Dog

From:	Dog
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	18 Jan 2005 13:52:30 -0800

Last question.... What size/kind of spreader are you using?

Dog

From:	Chris
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	18 Jan 2005 15:06:57 -0800

I am using a 10" spreader bar (hook not roller)

From:	Chris
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	18 Jan 2005 13:22:34 -0800

Dog,
Positively not. Webbing is routed as it should be. What's also
interesting is that the slippage occurs only on the side on which I
open/close the harness not on the other one. (Both sides use the same
kind of buckle and obviously both sides route the webbing the same way)

Chris
Dog wrote:
> I converted my Surfseat from the Cam Buckle (which did slip) to the
> same buckle as the Thermoform (the Posi-Lock). I have never
> experienced any slippage. Is it possible you've got the webbing
> misrouted?
>
> Dog

From:	WARDOG
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:42:09 -0800

Chris wrote:
> any
>> recommendation regarding alternative harnesses who don't have this
>> problem?

The Epic Gear waist harness definitely doesn't have that slippage problem...

Monster lock buckle...

http://www.surfingsports.com/pimages/wh_waistharness_buckle.jpg

http://www.surfingsports.com/images/epic_gear_waist1.jpg
http://www.surfingsports.com/images/epic_gear_waist2.jpg
http://www.surfingsports.com/images/epic_waist_harness1.jpg
http://www.surfingsports.com/images/epic_waist_harness2.jpg

I helped design the Windsurfing Hawaii Waist harness.
Many people, including myself, swear that it was the best waist harness
ever produced, and I still get requests for it all of the time...even by
kiters. Unfortunately, it hasn't been in production for over 2 years.
When and if I get the time, I am going to manufacture an
improved/upgraded version of it.
In the meantime, I am using the Epic Gear waist. It utilizes the same
monster-lock buckle of the WH, and has a sliding, stainless steel
spreader bar included in the price...killer deal and nice value at
around $80...

Another side benefit of the WH & Epic buckle is
that it can be undone easily in an emergency, such as being trapped
under your sail in breaking surf.

Comparison of Epic to Windsurfing Hawaii:
http://www.surfingsports.com/images/wh_epic_harness1.jpg
http://www.surfingsports.com/images/wh_epic_harness2.jpg
http://www.surfingsports.com/images/wh_epic_harness3.jpg

Other fine Epic Gear products:
http://www.surfingsports.com/Epic.asp

WARDOG
http://www.surfingsports.com

> Hi,
>
> I own a Dakine Thermoform harness and experience following
> issue: After a few minutes of sailing, the spreader
> bar is at least a got inch away from my body. As a
> result, if have to consonantly re-tighten it. I
> recently replaced the webbing (it was worn out) and
> one of the buckles. While this helped somewhat, the
> problem is still there.
>
> I talked to a few other folks who use Dakines and some
> of the experience the same problem. We couldn't
> figure out what causes it for some of us.
>
> I am pretty close to trying a different brand...
>
> Any advice on how to solve the problem on the Dakine Thermoform or any
> recommendation regarding alternative harnesses who don't have this
> problem?
>
> Chris
>

From:	jeff feehan
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:33:47 -0500

WARDOG wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>
>> any
>>
>>> recommendation regarding alternative harnesses who don't have this
>>> problem?
>
>
> The Epic Gear waist harness definitely doesn't have that slippage
> problem...
>

does it have a good sized pocket?

jeff

> Monster lock buckle...
>
> http://www.surfingsports.com/pimages/wh_waistharness_buckle.jpg
>
> http://www.surfingsports.com/images/epic_gear_waist1.jpg
> http://www.surfingsports.com/images/epic_gear_waist2.jpg
> http://www.surfingsports.com/images/epic_waist_harness1.jpg
> http://www.surfingsports.com/images/epic_waist_harness2.jpg
>
> I helped design the Windsurfing Hawaii Waist harness.
> Many people, including myself, swear that it was the best waist harness
> ever produced, and I still get requests for it all of the time...even by
> kiters. Unfortunately, it hasn't been in production for over 2 years.
> When and if I get the time, I am going to manufacture an
> improved/upgraded version of it.
> In the meantime, I am using the Epic Gear waist. It utilizes the same
> monster-lock buckle of the WH, and has a sliding, stainless steel
> spreader bar included in the price...killer deal and nice value at
> around $80...
>
> Another side benefit of the WH & Epic buckle is
> that it can be undone easily in an emergency, such as being trapped
> under your sail in breaking surf.
>
> Comparison of Epic to Windsurfing Hawaii:
> http://www.surfingsports.com/images/wh_epic_harness1.jpg
> http://www.surfingsports.com/images/wh_epic_harness2.jpg
> http://www.surfingsports.com/images/wh_epic_harness3.jpg
>
> Other fine Epic Gear products:
> http://www.surfingsports.com/Epic.asp
>
> WARDOG
> http://www.surfingsports.com
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I own a Dakine Thermoform harness and experience following
>> issue: After a few minutes of sailing, the spreader
>> bar is at least a got inch away from my body. As a
>> result, if have to consonantly re-tighten it. I
>> recently replaced the webbing (it was worn out) and
>> one of the buckles. While this helped somewhat, the
>> problem is still there.
>>
>> I talked to a few other folks who use Dakines and some
>> of the experience the same problem. We couldn't
>> figure out what causes it for some of us.
>>
>> I am pretty close to trying a different brand...
>>
>> Any advice on how to solve the problem on the Dakine Thermoform or any
>> recommendation regarding alternative harnesses who don't have this
>> problem?
>>
>> Chris
>>

From:	WARDOG
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:52:10 -0800

jeff feehan wrote:
> i have a prolimit team wave from a few years ago - the "pocket"
> will barely hold a nickel. it's the one thing i don't like about
> the harness. does it (Epic) have a good sized pocket?

Hi Jeff,
Dunno how many nickels the Epic pocket/pouch will hold...here's a pic...

http://surfingsports.com/images/epic_pocket.jpg

The dims are 6" W x 7" H...
Shouldn't be much of a challenge to you and your calculator to figure it
out...;-)

p.s. I always put a peso in my footstrap to tighten/loosen my vent plug...

WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com

> WARDOG wrote:
>
>> Chris wrote:
>>
>>> any
>>>
>>>> recommendation regarding alternative harnesses who don't have this
>>>> problem?
>>
>>
>>
>> The Epic Gear waist harness definitely doesn't have that slippage
>> problem...
>>
>
> does it have a good sized pocket?
>
> jeff
>
>
>> Monster lock buckle...
>>
>> http://www.surfingsports.com/pimages/wh_waistharness_buckle.jpg
>>
>> http://www.surfingsports.com/images/epic_gear_waist1.jpg
>> http://www.surfingsports.com/images/epic_gear_waist2.jpg
>> http://www.surfingsports.com/images/epic_waist_harness1.jpg
>> http://www.surfingsports.com/images/epic_waist_harness2.jpg
>>
>> I helped design the Windsurfing Hawaii Waist harness.
>> Many people, including myself, swear that it was the best waist harness
>> ever produced, and I still get requests for it all of the time...even
>> by kiters. Unfortunately, it hasn't been in production for over 2 years.
>> When and if I get the time, I am going to manufacture an
>> improved/upgraded version of it.
>> In the meantime, I am using the Epic Gear waist. It utilizes the same
>> monster-lock buckle of the WH, and has a sliding, stainless steel
>> spreader bar included in the price...killer deal and nice value at
>> around $80...
>>
>> Another side benefit of the WH & Epic buckle is
>> that it can be undone easily in an emergency, such as being trapped
>> under your sail in breaking surf.
>>
>> Comparison of Epic to Windsurfing Hawaii:
>> http://www.surfingsports.com/images/wh_epic_harness1.jpg
>> http://www.surfingsports.com/images/wh_epic_harness2.jpg
>> http://www.surfingsports.com/images/wh_epic_harness3.jpg
>>
>> Other fine Epic Gear products:
>> http://www.surfingsports.com/Epic.asp
>>
>> WARDOG
>> http://www.surfingsports.com
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I own a Dakine Thermoform harness and experience following
>>> issue: After a few minutes of sailing, the spreader
>>> bar is at least a got inch away from my body. As a
>>> result, if have to consonantly re-tighten it. I
>>> recently replaced the webbing (it was worn out) and
>>> one of the buckles. While this helped somewhat, the
>>> problem is still there.
>>>
>>> I talked to a few other folks who use Dakines and some
>>> of the experience the same problem. We couldn't
>>> figure out what causes it for some of us.
>>>
>>> I am pretty close to trying a different brand...
>>>
>>> Any advice on how to solve the problem on the Dakine Thermoform or any
>>> recommendation regarding alternative harnesses who don't have this
>>> problem?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>

From:	Glenn Woodell
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:37:19 -0500

I had the same experience as you. When I was in the Gorge in 2000 my
plastic cam buckle got torn away on a good 3.7 day. I took my harness
to Dakine there and they "updated" it to the think web with the
Posi-Slip buckle.

I had the same trouble you had ever since. I evenetually went back to
the cam buckle which I again broke a few months later.

Now I am completely happy with my harness. I now wear a Pro Limit Team
Wave. http://www.prolimitusa.com/windsurfing_harnesses_teamwave.htm
It has the heavy duty pin release
http://www.prolimitusa.com/windsurfing_harnesses_pinrelease.htm that
North now seems to have. I have been wondering what the connection is
since it looks identical to the Pro-Limit one.

Anyway, I love the bar and the quick-release. Absolutely no slippage
at all and the harness is more confortable than the Dakine I had
before. I just wish it has a slightly larger pocket in the rear.

Glenn

On 18 Jan 2005 12:53:34 -0800, "Chris"
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I own a Dakine Thermoform harness and experience following
>issue: After a few minutes of sailing, the spreader
>bar is at least a got inch away from my body. As a
>result, if have to consonantly re-tighten it. I
>recently replaced the webbing (it was worn out) and
>one of the buckles. While this helped somewhat, the
>problem is still there.
>
>I talked to a few other folks who use Dakines and some
>of the experience the same problem. We couldn't
>figure out what causes it for some of us.
>
>I am pretty close to trying a different brand...
>
>Any advice on how to solve the problem on the Dakine Thermoform or any
>recommendation regarding alternative harnesses who don't have this
>problem?
>
>Chris

From:	Jay Halford
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:52:46 -0800

Same experience as Glenn.

First I had a Thermoform, slippage as Chris states. Then went to a Prolimit.
Awesome harness.

Jay

"Glenn Woodell" wrote in message
news:9jhru0lul190oom1flvb80n04sbur2p77c@4ax.com...
>I had the same experience as you. When I was in the Gorge in 2000 my
> plastic cam buckle got torn away on a good 3.7 day. I took my harness
> to Dakine there and they "updated" it to the think web with the
> Posi-Slip buckle.
>
> I had the same trouble you had ever since. I evenetually went back to
> the cam buckle which I again broke a few months later.
>
> Now I am completely happy with my harness. I now wear a Pro Limit Team
> Wave. http://www.prolimitusa.com/windsurfing_harnesses_teamwave.htm
> It has the heavy duty pin release
> http://www.prolimitusa.com/windsurfing_harnesses_pinrelease.htm that
> North now seems to have. I have been wondering what the connection is
> since it looks identical to the Pro-Limit one.
>
> Anyway, I love the bar and the quick-release. Absolutely no slippage
> at all and the harness is more confortable than the Dakine I had
> before. I just wish it has a slightly larger pocket in the rear.
>
> Glenn
>
> On 18 Jan 2005 12:53:34 -0800, "Chris"
> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I own a Dakine Thermoform harness and experience following
>>issue: After a few minutes of sailing, the spreader
>>bar is at least a got inch away from my body. As a
>>result, if have to consonantly re-tighten it. I
>>recently replaced the webbing (it was worn out) and
>>one of the buckles. While this helped somewhat, the
>>problem is still there.
>>
>>I talked to a few other folks who use Dakines and some
>>of the experience the same problem. We couldn't
>>figure out what causes it for some of us.
>>
>>I am pretty close to trying a different brand...
>>
>>Any advice on how to solve the problem on the Dakine Thermoform or any
>>recommendation regarding alternative harnesses who don't have this
>>problem?
>>
>>Chris
>

From:	jeff feehan
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:32:53 -0500

Glenn Woodell wrote:
> I had the same experience as you. When I was in the Gorge in 2000 my
> plastic cam buckle got torn away on a good 3.7 day. I took my harness
> to Dakine there and they "updated" it to the think web with the
> Posi-Slip buckle.
>
> I had the same trouble you had ever since. I evenetually went back to
> the cam buckle which I again broke a few months later.
>
> Now I am completely happy with my harness. I now wear a Pro Limit Team
> Wave. http://www.prolimitusa.com/windsurfing_harnesses_teamwave.htm
> It has the heavy duty pin release
> http://www.prolimitusa.com/windsurfing_harnesses_pinrelease.htm that
> North now seems to have. I have been wondering what the connection is
> since it looks identical to the Pro-Limit one.
>
> Anyway, I love the bar and the quick-release. Absolutely no slippage
> at all and the harness is more confortable than the Dakine I had
> before. I just wish it has a slightly larger pocket in the rear.
>

i have a prolimit team wave from a few years ago - the "pocket"
will barely hold a nickel. it's the one thing i don't like about
the harness.

one thing i have noticed is that with any waist harness, if i wear
it tight, i get an upset stomach - nothing serious, but it is
uncomforatble. when i wear the prolimit a bit loose, it tends to
rise up when i am in the water waterstarting - it's really
thick, and has a lot of floatation.

jeff feehan

> Glenn
>
> On 18 Jan 2005 12:53:34 -0800, "Chris"
> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I own a Dakine Thermoform harness and experience following
>>issue: After a few minutes of sailing, the spreader
>>bar is at least a got inch away from my body. As a
>>result, if have to consonantly re-tighten it. I
>>recently replaced the webbing (it was worn out) and
>>one of the buckles. While this helped somewhat, the
>>problem is still there.
>>
>>I talked to a few other folks who use Dakines and some
>>of the experience the same problem. We couldn't
>>figure out what causes it for some of us.
>>
>>I am pretty close to trying a different brand...
>>
>>Any advice on how to solve the problem on the Dakine Thermoform or any
>>recommendation regarding alternative harnesses who don't have this
>>problem?
>>
>>Chris
>
>

From:	MTVNewsGuy
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	19 Jan 2005 18:24:52 GMT

Since when did dakine thermoforms start shipping with plastic cams? I have
two (one a 2000, the other a 2001) and neither have plastic cams, nor do either
slip. I use one with a Reactor bar, the other with a traditional dakine bar.

Glenn wrote<<
I had the same experience as you. When I was in the Gorge in 2000 my
plastic cam buckle got torn away on a good 3.7 day. I took my harness
to Dakine there and they "updated" it to the think web with the
Posi-Slip buckle.

I had the same trouble you had ever since. I evenetually went back to
the cam buckle which I again broke a few months later.

Now I am completely happy with my harness. I now wear a Pro Limit Team
Wave. http://www.prolimitusa.com/windsurfing_harnesses_teamwave.htm
It has the heavy duty pin release
http://www.prolimitusa.com/windsurfing_harnesses_pinrelease.htm that
North now seems to have. I have been wondering what the connection is
since it looks identical to the Pro-Limit one.

Anyway, I love the bar and the quick-release. Absolutely no slippage
at all and the harness is more confortable than the Dakine I had
before. I just wish it has a slightly larger pocket in the rear.

Glenn

On 18 Jan 2005 12:53:34 -0800, "Chris"
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I own a Dakine Thermoform harness and experience following
>issue: After a few minutes of sailing, the spreader
>bar is at least a got inch away from my body. As a
>result, if have to consonantly re-tighten it. I
>recently replaced the webbing (it was worn out) and
>one of the buckles. While this helped somewhat, the
>problem is still there.
>
>I talked to a few other folks who use Dakines and some
>of the experience the same problem. We couldn't
>figure out what causes it for some of us.
>
>I am pretty close to trying a different brand...
>
>Any advice on how to solve the problem on the Dakine Thermoform or any
>recommendation regarding alternative harnesses who don't have this
>problem?
>
>Chris

>>

Michael

From:	Glenn Woodell
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:20:45 -0500

That's the old style. They switched to the Posi-Lok probably around
1999.

Glenn

On 19 Jan 2005 18:24:52 GMT, mtvnewsguy@aol.comSTOPSPAM (MTVNewsGuy)
wrote:

>Since when did dakine thermoforms start shipping with plastic cams? I have
>two (one a 2000, the other a 2001) and neither have plastic cams, nor do either
>slip. I use one with a Reactor bar, the other with a traditional dakine bar.
>
>Glenn wrote<<
>I had the same experience as you. When I was in the Gorge in 2000 my
>plastic cam buckle got torn away on a good 3.7 day. I took my harness
>to Dakine there and they "updated" it to the think web with the
>Posi-Slip buckle.
>
>I had the same trouble you had ever since. I evenetually went back to
>the cam buckle which I again broke a few months later.
>
>Now I am completely happy with my harness. I now wear a Pro Limit Team
>Wave. http://www.prolimitusa.com/windsurfing_harnesses_teamwave.htm
>It has the heavy duty pin release
>http://www.prolimitusa.com/windsurfing_harnesses_pinrelease.htm that
>North now seems to have. I have been wondering what the connection is
>since it looks identical to the Pro-Limit one.
>
>Anyway, I love the bar and the quick-release. Absolutely no slippage
>at all and the harness is more confortable than the Dakine I had
>before. I just wish it has a slightly larger pocket in the rear.
>
>Glenn
>
>On 18 Jan 2005 12:53:34 -0800, "Chris"
>wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I own a Dakine Thermoform harness and experience following
>>issue: After a few minutes of sailing, the spreader
>>bar is at least a got inch away from my body. As a
>>result, if have to consonantly re-tighten it. I
>>recently replaced the webbing (it was worn out) and
>>one of the buckles. While this helped somewhat, the
>>problem is still there.
>>
>>I talked to a few other folks who use Dakines and some
>>of the experience the same problem. We couldn't
>>figure out what causes it for some of us.
>>
>>I am pretty close to trying a different brand...
>>
>>Any advice on how to solve the problem on the Dakine Thermoform or any
>>recommendation regarding alternative harnesses who don't have this
>>problem?
>>
>>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>
>
>
>
>Michael

From:	Chris
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	18 Jan 2005 20:15:55 -0800

Glenn and Wardog,

You confirmed my ingoing hypothesis: it's time to shop for a different
harness. I actually had the Prolimit Team Wave in mind. And as far as
I know, North is using the Prolimit quick-release bar. North refers to
it as the "PRO.LIMIT" bar in their infinite linguistic creativity.

I will also take a look at the Epic.
Thanks to everyone for your thoughtful comments!

Chris

From:	Glenn Woodell
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:20:39 -0500

You'll probably like either one. The Epic Gear harness uses a similar
monster buckle to what Dakine used to use. It held forever but would
fail albeit under monster loads. Mine lasted for a couple of years
until I had that 3.7 day in the Gorge and then a way overpowered 5.4
day here at home. Otherwise it is a nice buckle that is indeed easy to
loosen. Not as quick and convenient as the Pro-Limit/Pro.Limit hooks
but satisfactory for most applications.

Some swear by the DaKine harnesses and buckles but I swear AT them.

Glenn

On 18 Jan 2005 20:15:55 -0800, "Chris"
wrote:

>Glenn and Wardog,
>
>You confirmed my ingoing hypothesis: it's time to shop for a different
>harness. I actually had the Prolimit Team Wave in mind. And as far as
>I know, North is using the Prolimit quick-release bar. North refers to
>it as the "PRO.LIMIT" bar in their infinite linguistic creativity.
>
>I will also take a look at the Epic.
>Thanks to everyone for your thoughtful comments!
>
>Chris

From:	WARDOG
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:35:30 -0800

Glenn Woodell wrote:
> You'll probably like either one. The Epic Gear harness uses a similar
> monster buckle to what Dakine used to use. It held forever but would
> fail albeit under monster loads.

Hi Glenn,
To my knowledge Dakine has never used what I refer to as the
"MonsterLock" buckle...they used a "Fixlock" buckle for years...
If they did use it, I missed that iteration...

Problem with the "fixlock" was, it never fixed the lock for me, or
others...it blew open on several Dakine harnesses I owned at full
load...resulting in hyperextension of my elbow...I ended up duct taping
it shut before sessions...but, once the webbing was clamped down on too
many times, even that would not keep the strap engaged...

I wish they had used the Monsterlock buckle...but, they switched to a
metal buckle that didn't allow the spreader bar to slide...an absolute
requirement for me...also, was difficult to impossible to release if
trapped in the waves under your sail, hooked in...basically,
windsurfing's version of a kitemare...

The "Monsterlock" buckle was borrowed from Visual Speed, the first
company that I saw use it, by Windsurfing Hawaii...and now Epic Gear...
It has NEVER slid on me, or failed...the attachment stitching that holds
it to the harness will fail on a violent catapault, but the buckle will
continue to hold onto the spreader bar webbing strap...
Here are a few pics:

http://surfingsports.com/images/monsterlock1.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/monsterlock2.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/fixlock1.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/fixlock2.jpg

Anyone looking for a slightly used Dakine "Kalama" chest harness?...;-)

WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com

Mine lasted for a couple of years
> until I had that 3.7 day in the Gorge and then a way overpowered 5.4
> day here at home. Otherwise it is a nice buckle that is indeed easy to
> loosen. Not as quick and convenient as the Pro-Limit/Pro.Limit hooks
> but satisfactory for most applications.
>
> Some swear by the DaKine harnesses and buckles but I swear AT them.
>
> Glenn
>
> On 18 Jan 2005 20:15:55 -0800, "Chris"
> wrote:
>
>
>>Glenn and Wardog,
>>
>>You confirmed my ingoing hypothesis: it's time to shop for a different
>>harness. I actually had the Prolimit Team Wave in mind. And as far as
>>I know, North is using the Prolimit quick-release bar. North refers to
>>it as the "PRO.LIMIT" bar in their infinite linguistic creativity.
>>
>>I will also take a look at the Epic.
>>Thanks to everyone for your thoughtful comments!
>>
>>Chris
>
>

From:	Glenn Woodell
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:22:20 -0500

You are right. On first glance it appeared similar. Mine always held
solid but like I already stated they didn't hold the monster loads.

Glenn

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:35:30 -0800, WARDOG
wrote:

>Glenn Woodell wrote:
>> You'll probably like either one. The Epic Gear harness uses a similar
>> monster buckle to what Dakine used to use. It held forever but would
>> fail albeit under monster loads.
>
>Hi Glenn,
>To my knowledge Dakine has never used what I refer to as the
>"MonsterLock" buckle...they used a "Fixlock" buckle for years...
>If they did use it, I missed that iteration...
>
>Problem with the "fixlock" was, it never fixed the lock for me, or
>others...it blew open on several Dakine harnesses I owned at full
>load...resulting in hyperextension of my elbow...I ended up duct taping
>it shut before sessions...but, once the webbing was clamped down on too
>many times, even that would not keep the strap engaged...
>
>I wish they had used the Monsterlock buckle...but, they switched to a
>metal buckle that didn't allow the spreader bar to slide...an absolute
>requirement for me...also, was difficult to impossible to release if
>trapped in the waves under your sail, hooked in...basically,
>windsurfing's version of a kitemare...
>
>The "Monsterlock" buckle was borrowed from Visual Speed, the first
>company that I saw use it, by Windsurfing Hawaii...and now Epic Gear...
>It has NEVER slid on me, or failed...the attachment stitching that holds
>it to the harness will fail on a violent catapault, but the buckle will
>continue to hold onto the spreader bar webbing strap...
>Here are a few pics:
>
>http://surfingsports.com/images/monsterlock1.jpg
>http://surfingsports.com/images/monsterlock2.jpg
>http://surfingsports.com/images/fixlock1.jpg
>http://surfingsports.com/images/fixlock2.jpg
>
>Anyone looking for a slightly used Dakine "Kalama" chest harness?...;-)
>
>WARDOG
>http://surfingsports.com
>
>
>Mine lasted for a couple of years
>> until I had that 3.7 day in the Gorge and then a way overpowered 5.4
>> day here at home. Otherwise it is a nice buckle that is indeed easy to
>> loosen. Not as quick and convenient as the Pro-Limit/Pro.Limit hooks
>> but satisfactory for most applications.
>>
>> Some swear by the DaKine harnesses and buckles but I swear AT them.
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>> On 18 Jan 2005 20:15:55 -0800, "Chris"
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Glenn and Wardog,
>>>
>>>You confirmed my ingoing hypothesis: it's time to shop for a different
>>>harness. I actually had the Prolimit Team Wave in mind. And as far as
>>>I know, North is using the Prolimit quick-release bar. North refers to
>>>it as the "PRO.LIMIT" bar in their infinite linguistic creativity.
>>>
>>>I will also take a look at the Epic.
>>>Thanks to everyone for your thoughtful comments!
>>>
>>>Chris
>>
>>

From:	The Dog
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:34:35 -0600

In article , Glenn
Woodell says...
> You'll probably like either one. The Epic Gear harness uses a similar
> monster buckle to what Dakine used to use. It held forever but would
> fail albeit under monster loads. Mine lasted for a couple of years
> until I had that 3.7 day in the Gorge and then a way overpowered 5.4
> day here at home. Otherwise it is a nice buckle that is indeed easy to
> loosen. Not as quick and convenient as the Pro-Limit/Pro.Limit hooks
> but satisfactory for most applications.
>
> Some swear by the DaKine harnesses and buckles but I swear AT them.

I've always hated the big cam buckle on the Dakines. Those would
always slip and seemed to have a built in self destruct mode. Once
I wore out my Surfseat, I switched to the XT Seat. I really like the
Power Clip buckles, but seem to be in the minority on that one.

Dog
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From:	Dog
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	18 Jan 2005 13:29:16 -0800

Then you've already looked at everything easy. I guess you could try
finding a chunk of 2" webbing from a source other than Dakine. Or swap
ends on the webbing and see if the slippage moves to the other side.

Any chance you're a really big guy? I'm only about 175 lbs these days.
I break a lot less stuff than I used too.

Dog

From:	Gwood
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:55:53 -0800

I have the Nexus with (I believe) the same buckling system. When I first
put it on and sail for a bit, I often find it has slipped out a bit. Once I
get it wet and tighten it, it seems to retain it's grip. Maybe it doesn't
grip well when dry?

Try falling now and then ;-)

Gary

"Chris" wrote in message
news:1106081614.484640.119440@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> Any advice on how to solve the problem on the Dakine Thermoform or any
> recommendation regarding alternative harnesses who don't have this
> problem?

From:	Chris
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	18 Jan 2005 13:35:36 -0800

Dog,

I'll swap the ends to see what happens. BTW I am ~182lbs.

It sounds is if I should give a different brand a serious look.

Chris

From:	Dog
Subject:	Re: Dakine Thermoform webbing slippage
Date:	18 Jan 2005 13:13:17 -0800

I converted my Surfseat from the Cam Buckle (which did slip) to the
same buckle as the Thermoform (the Posi-Lock). I have never
experienced any slippage. Is it possible you've got the webbing
misrouted?

Dog