found an interesting wind map here:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/maps/wind_power_50m.jpg

Didn't realize that there's a really windy area along the northern Cali
coast (southern Humbolt County). Too bad there's no access roads.

From:	Bob Jacobson
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 06:03:12 GMT

Actually you can take rt 211 past Petrolia and then Lighthouse Road to the
mouth of the Mattole River. I've done the hike from there to Shelter Cove
(the Lost Coast Trail) and it was quite windy (25+) at times. Surf looked
vicious at the Mattole River when I was there, but might work at times.
Humboldt county windsurfing seems to mostly happen at Big Lagoon.

You can get some idea of river mouth here:

http://www.mtnvisions.com/Aurora/mattole.html

"Peter Berkey" wrote in message
news:10umb9f1ij2ud04@corp.supernews.com...
> found an interesting wind map here:
> http://www.energy.ca.gov/maps/wind_power_50m.jpg
>
> Didn't realize that there's a really windy area along the northern Cali
> coast (southern Humbolt County). Too bad there's no access roads.
>
>
>
>

From:	Peter Berkey
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:27:07 -0800

Dang, those 360 pics are AMAZING. I've got slow dial-up and these pics came
up in no time. How'd they do that?

Unlike WARDOG, my time in Humboldt was rather humble. Lived at the
"Lighthouse Ranch".... a church group dedicated to "going into all the world
and spreading the word", "sharing Jesus". Yep, got sent out on variuos
get-rich-quick missions (schemes) for the church. Unfortunately, I got
dropped off on a lonely stretch of freeway far too many times and was told
"you don't have what it takes to serve God".

If only I could have that wasted time back.... if I had only known about
windsurfing at that early age. If only I had taken a different road.

Dang.

"Bob Jacobson" wrote in message
news:AyIGd.11269$wZ2.3619@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> Actually you can take rt 211 past Petrolia and then Lighthouse Road to
> the
> mouth of the Mattole River. I've done the hike from there to Shelter Cove
> (the Lost Coast Trail) and it was quite windy (25+) at times. Surf looked
> vicious at the Mattole River when I was there, but might work at times.
> Humboldt county windsurfing seems to mostly happen at Big Lagoon.
>
> You can get some idea of river mouth here:
>
> http://www.mtnvisions.com/Aurora/mattole.html
>
>
> "Peter Berkey" wrote in message
> news:10umb9f1ij2ud04@corp.supernews.com...
>> found an interesting wind map here:
>> http://www.energy.ca.gov/maps/wind_power_50m.jpg
>>
>> Didn't realize that there's a really windy area along the northern Cali
>> coast (southern Humbolt County). Too bad there's no access roads.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

From:	Peter Berkey
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:27:39 -0800

BTW, the Lighthouse Ranch is still up for sale... just in case anyone wants
to start a windsurfing colony (and has a couple million $$$$ laying around):

http://www.tablebluff.com/

It's got some incredible scenery:

http://virtualguidebooks.com/NorthCalif/RedwoodHwyEureka/SouthOfEureka/LighthouseRanchSouth.html
http://virtualguidebooks.com/NorthCalif/RedwoodHwyEureka/SouthOfEureka/TableBluffDunesOne.html

Guess the previous owners couldn't make it profitable enough?

-- Pete

"Peter Berkey" wrote in message
news:10untbo8lkck1c5@corp.supernews.com...
> Dang, those 360 pics are AMAZING. I've got slow dial-up and these pics
> came up in no time. How'd they do that?
>
> Unlike WARDOG, my time in Humboldt was rather humble. Lived at the
> "Lighthouse Ranch".... a church group dedicated to "going into all the
> world and spreading the word", "sharing Jesus". Yep, got sent out on
> variuos get-rich-quick missions (schemes) for the church. Unfortunately, I
> got dropped off on a lonely stretch of freeway far too many times and was
> told "you don't have what it takes to serve God".
>
> If only I could have that wasted time back.... if I had only known about
> windsurfing at that early age. If only I had taken a different road.
>
> Dang.
>
>
>
>
> "Bob Jacobson" wrote in message
> news:AyIGd.11269$wZ2.3619@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>> Actually you can take rt 211 past Petrolia and then Lighthouse Road to
>> the
>> mouth of the Mattole River. I've done the hike from there to Shelter Cove
>> (the Lost Coast Trail) and it was quite windy (25+) at times. Surf looked
>> vicious at the Mattole River when I was there, but might work at times.
>> Humboldt county windsurfing seems to mostly happen at Big Lagoon.
>>
>> You can get some idea of river mouth here:
>>
>> http://www.mtnvisions.com/Aurora/mattole.html
>>
>>
>> "Peter Berkey" wrote in message
>> news:10umb9f1ij2ud04@corp.supernews.com...
>>> found an interesting wind map here:
>>> http://www.energy.ca.gov/maps/wind_power_50m.jpg
>>>
>>> Didn't realize that there's a really windy area along the northern Cali
>>> coast (southern Humbolt County). Too bad there's no access roads.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

From:	WARDOG
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:43:30 -0800

Bob Jacobson wrote:
> Actually you can take rt 211 past Petrolia and then Lighthouse Road to the
> mouth of the Mattole River. I've done the hike from there to Shelter Cove
> (the Lost Coast Trail) and it was quite windy (25+) at times. Surf looked
> vicious at the Mattole River when I was there, but might work at times.
> Humboldt county windsurfing seems to mostly happen at Big Lagoon.

There was a crew of us that learned to windsurf at Big Lagoon back in
the day...it's not the only place to windsurf...

http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_wind1.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_wind2.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_wind3.jpg

I have scoured just about every foot of coastline in Humboldt Country
while getting an Oceanography degree there...by foot, boat, and
airplane....also, did geomorphology....beach and nearshore processes...
Partnered with the late Tom Pratte in the natural Resources Dept., who
subsequently founded Surfrider...
Anyways, my posse were all accomplished surfers, so we quickly headed to
points North and South to try our new sport in the waves...
Our crew were the first to sail at Pistol River...as we were already
surfing the area regularly...
http://surfingsports.com/images/pistol_old_school.jpg

I've surfed the Mattole Rivermouth...actually, don't think there is a
rivermouth on the North Coast I haven't surfed...prolly never do it again...
This zone is EXTREMELY sharky...many attacks here...

Once you get away from the rivermouths, the coast gets very rocky...
lots of submerged board/fin eating rocks...steep beach entries with
backwash...

Top pic is the Mattole...
http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_lost_coast.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/humboat.jpg

http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_waves1.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_waves2.jpg

WARDOG (You can take the man out of Humboldt, but you can never take the
Humboldt out of the man...;-)
http://surfingsports.com

>
> You can get some idea of river mouth here:
>
> http://www.mtnvisions.com/Aurora/mattole.html
>
>
> "Peter Berkey" wrote in message
> news:10umb9f1ij2ud04@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>found an interesting wind map here:
>>http://www.energy.ca.gov/maps/wind_power_50m.jpg
>>
>>Didn't realize that there's a really windy area along the northern Cali
>>coast (southern Humbolt County). Too bad there's no access roads.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

From:	Peter Berkey
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:28:23 -0800

All I wanna know, WARDOG, is how you managed to get this shot done without
gettin' into the poison oak... like, I got the itchies all over me when I
took the 'zact same pic back in '78:

http://www.surfingsports.com/images/redwood.jpg

-- Pete

"WARDOG" wrote in message
news:bLLGd.1620$ry.1415@fed1read05...
> Bob Jacobson wrote:
>> Actually you can take rt 211 past Petrolia and then Lighthouse Road to
>> the
>> mouth of the Mattole River. I've done the hike from there to Shelter Cove
>> (the Lost Coast Trail) and it was quite windy (25+) at times. Surf looked
>> vicious at the Mattole River when I was there, but might work at times.
>> Humboldt county windsurfing seems to mostly happen at Big Lagoon.
>
> There was a crew of us that learned to windsurf at Big Lagoon back in the
> day...it's not the only place to windsurf...
>
> http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_wind1.jpg
> http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_wind2.jpg
> http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_wind3.jpg
>
> I have scoured just about every foot of coastline in Humboldt Country
> while getting an Oceanography degree there...by foot, boat, and
> airplane....also, did geomorphology....beach and nearshore processes...
> Partnered with the late Tom Pratte in the natural Resources Dept., who
> subsequently founded Surfrider...
> Anyways, my posse were all accomplished surfers, so we quickly headed to
> points North and South to try our new sport in the waves...
> Our crew were the first to sail at Pistol River...as we were already
> surfing the area regularly...
> http://surfingsports.com/images/pistol_old_school.jpg
>
> I've surfed the Mattole Rivermouth...actually, don't think there is a
> rivermouth on the North Coast I haven't surfed...prolly never do it
> again...
> This zone is EXTREMELY sharky...many attacks here...
>
> Once you get away from the rivermouths, the coast gets very rocky...
> lots of submerged board/fin eating rocks...steep beach entries with
> backwash...
>
> Top pic is the Mattole...
> http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_lost_coast.jpg
> http://surfingsports.com/images/humboat.jpg
>
> http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_waves1.jpg
> http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_waves2.jpg
>
> WARDOG (You can take the man out of Humboldt, but you can never take the
> Humboldt out of the man...;-)
> http://surfingsports.com
>
>>
>> You can get some idea of river mouth here:
>>
>> http://www.mtnvisions.com/Aurora/mattole.html
>>
>>
>> "Peter Berkey" wrote in message
>> news:10umb9f1ij2ud04@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>>found an interesting wind map here:
>>>http://www.energy.ca.gov/maps/wind_power_50m.jpg
>>>
>>>Didn't realize that there's a really windy area along the northern Cali
>>>coast (southern Humbolt County). Too bad there's no access roads.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

From:	WARDOG
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:49:47 -0800

Peter Berkey wrote:

> All I wanna know, WARDOG, is how you managed to get this shot done without
> gettin' into the poison oak... like, I got the itchies all over me when I
> took the 'zact same pic back in '78:
>
> http://www.surfingsports.com/images/redwood.jpg

Dood,
I know what you mean...man, I've gotten it bad...haven't had it in years
, though...knock on wood...
Prolly never gotten it as bad, as the last El Nino...
The Urushiol oils float...and I surfed a spot West of here that works on
macking swells...called Poison Oak Pt.
Holy shmoly...all of the rain washed the oils down the creek and into
the surf break...along with rattlesnakes and other varmints...

The old oatmeal bath wasn't working...good old fashioned shot of
Prednisone cleared it right up...ughhhh...

WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com

>
>
> -- Pete
>
>
>
> "WARDOG" wrote in message
> news:bLLGd.1620$ry.1415@fed1read05...
>
>>Bob Jacobson wrote:
>>
>>>Actually you can take rt 211 past Petrolia and then Lighthouse Road to
>>>the
>>>mouth of the Mattole River. I've done the hike from there to Shelter Cove
>>>(the Lost Coast Trail) and it was quite windy (25+) at times. Surf looked
>>>vicious at the Mattole River when I was there, but might work at times.
>>>Humboldt county windsurfing seems to mostly happen at Big Lagoon.
>>
>>There was a crew of us that learned to windsurf at Big Lagoon back in the
>>day...it's not the only place to windsurf...
>>
>>http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_wind1.jpg
>>http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_wind2.jpg
>>http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_wind3.jpg
>>
>>I have scoured just about every foot of coastline in Humboldt Country
>>while getting an Oceanography degree there...by foot, boat, and
>>airplane....also, did geomorphology....beach and nearshore processes...
>>Partnered with the late Tom Pratte in the natural Resources Dept., who
>>subsequently founded Surfrider...
>>Anyways, my posse were all accomplished surfers, so we quickly headed to
>>points North and South to try our new sport in the waves...
>>Our crew were the first to sail at Pistol River...as we were already
>>surfing the area regularly...
>>http://surfingsports.com/images/pistol_old_school.jpg
>>
>>I've surfed the Mattole Rivermouth...actually, don't think there is a
>>rivermouth on the North Coast I haven't surfed...prolly never do it
>>again...
>>This zone is EXTREMELY sharky...many attacks here...
>>
>>Once you get away from the rivermouths, the coast gets very rocky...
>>lots of submerged board/fin eating rocks...steep beach entries with
>>backwash...
>>
>>Top pic is the Mattole...
>>http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_lost_coast.jpg
>>http://surfingsports.com/images/humboat.jpg
>>
>>http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_waves1.jpg
>>http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_waves2.jpg
>>
>>WARDOG (You can take the man out of Humboldt, but you can never take the
>>Humboldt out of the man...;-)
>>http://surfingsports.com
>>
>>
>>>You can get some idea of river mouth here:
>>>
>>>http://www.mtnvisions.com/Aurora/mattole.html
>>>
>>>
>>>"Peter Berkey" wrote in message
>>>news:10umb9f1ij2ud04@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>found an interesting wind map here:
>>>>http://www.energy.ca.gov/maps/wind_power_50m.jpg
>>>>
>>>>Didn't realize that there's a really windy area along the northern Cali
>>>>coast (southern Humbolt County). Too bad there's no access roads.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>

From:	Weed Fin
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	17 Jan 2005 22:47:50 GMT

Wardog wrote:

<< Holy shmoly...all of the rain washed the oils down the creek and into
the surf break...along with rattlesnakes and other varmints... >>

Shark bait, fins to the right, fins to the left.

From:	Jeff McVannel
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:54:54 -0800

Some of the Core Cape guys (Scott,Kenny,Victor,Brian) from around here
started going down there on a more regular basis the last couple of years. I
got skunked of coarse when I was there last year. But the wave at the north
end looks nice, side off,and fluky as per usual. There are some photos in
Windtracks Vol 14 #4 of a few guys years back. Also saw some mention in an
old California Boardsailor from Casario about visiting the place with the
Schaible brothers.
I'm looking forward to heading down there more this year. It's about four
hours from Pistol I think.
Jeff

"WARDOG" wrote in message
news:bLLGd.1620$ry.1415@fed1read05...
> Bob Jacobson wrote:
> > Actually you can take rt 211 past Petrolia and then Lighthouse Road to
the
> > mouth of the Mattole River. I've done the hike from there to Shelter
Cove
> > (the Lost Coast Trail) and it was quite windy (25+) at times. Surf
looked
> > vicious at the Mattole River when I was there, but might work at times.
> > Humboldt county windsurfing seems to mostly happen at Big Lagoon.
>
> There was a crew of us that learned to windsurf at Big Lagoon back in
> the day...it's not the only place to windsurf...
>
> http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_wind1.jpg
> http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_wind2.jpg
> http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_wind3.jpg
>
> I have scoured just about every foot of coastline in Humboldt Country
> while getting an Oceanography degree there...by foot, boat, and
> airplane....also, did geomorphology....beach and nearshore processes...
> Partnered with the late Tom Pratte in the natural Resources Dept., who
> subsequently founded Surfrider...
> Anyways, my posse were all accomplished surfers, so we quickly headed to
> points North and South to try our new sport in the waves...
> Our crew were the first to sail at Pistol River...as we were already
> surfing the area regularly...
> http://surfingsports.com/images/pistol_old_school.jpg
>
> I've surfed the Mattole Rivermouth...actually, don't think there is a
> rivermouth on the North Coast I haven't surfed...prolly never do it
again...
> This zone is EXTREMELY sharky...many attacks here...
>
> Once you get away from the rivermouths, the coast gets very rocky...
> lots of submerged board/fin eating rocks...steep beach entries with
> backwash...
>
> Top pic is the Mattole...
> http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_lost_coast.jpg
> http://surfingsports.com/images/humboat.jpg
>
> http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_waves1.jpg
> http://surfingsports.com/images/humboldt_waves2.jpg
>
> WARDOG (You can take the man out of Humboldt, but you can never take the
> Humboldt out of the man...;-)
> http://surfingsports.com
>
> >
> > You can get some idea of river mouth here:
> >
> > http://www.mtnvisions.com/Aurora/mattole.html
> >
> >
> > "Peter Berkey" wrote in message
> > news:10umb9f1ij2ud04@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> >>found an interesting wind map here:
> >>http://www.energy.ca.gov/maps/wind_power_50m.jpg
> >>
> >>Didn't realize that there's a really windy area along the northern Cali
> >>coast (southern Humbolt County). Too bad there's no access roads.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >

From:	Paul Braunbehrens
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:08:05 -0800

In article <10umb9f1ij2ud04@corp.supernews.com>, Peter Berkey
wrote:

> http://www.energy.ca.gov/maps/wind_power_50m.jpg

Interesting map, but according to it the bay area is the worst spot to
sail in all of of california. Heck, Santa Barbara is better than any
site on the coast, the Delta or even Treasure Island.

I think there may be something going on in terms of average wind vs.
seasonal wind, huge storm fronts or nothing, and maybe wind that is
slightly more offshore showing up on the map as more coastal. Also,
there probably is an issue with wind over a large region vs. wind that
is very localized.

Does anyone know how the legend translates into wind speeds?

From:	WARDOG
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:48:45 -0800

Paul Braunbehrens wrote:

> Heck, Santa Barbara is better than any
> site on the coast, the Delta or even Treasure Island.

Must be an anomaly...a glitch in their model...or maybe some geographer
spilled red ink on the map...there's never any wind around here...;-)

WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com

> In article <10umb9f1ij2ud04@corp.supernews.com>, Peter Berkey
> wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.energy.ca.gov/maps/wind_power_50m.jpg
>
>
> Interesting map, but according to it the bay area is the worst spot to
> sail in all of of california. Heck, Santa Barbara is better than any
> site on the coast, the Delta or even Treasure Island.
>
> I think there may be something going on in terms of average wind vs.
> seasonal wind, huge storm fronts or nothing, and maybe wind that is
> slightly more offshore showing up on the map as more coastal. Also,
> there probably is an issue with wind over a large region vs. wind that
> is very localized.
>
> Does anyone know how the legend translates into wind speeds?

From:	Paul Braunbehrens
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:17:59 -0800

Yeah, well, I've looked at the weekly graphs for Jalama every time I
head to San Diego. It's always just borderline, if anything, and
chances of getting skunked are high, at least if you trust iWindsurf
site.

Or maybe I'm just spoiled, living 5 mn from Berkeley, 10 mn from
Treasure Island, and 45 minutes from the Delta ;-)

In article <6QLGd.1621$ry.464@fed1read05>, WARDOG
wrote:

> Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
>
> > Heck, Santa Barbara is better than any
> > site on the coast, the Delta or even Treasure Island.
>
> Must be an anomaly...a glitch in their model...or maybe some geographer
> spilled red ink on the map...there's never any wind around here...;-)
>
> WARDOG
> http://surfingsports.com
>
>
>
>
> > In article <10umb9f1ij2ud04@corp.supernews.com>, Peter Berkey
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>http://www.energy.ca.gov/maps/wind_power_50m.jpg
> >
> >
> > Interesting map, but according to it the bay area is the worst spot to
> > sail in all of of california. Heck, Santa Barbara is better than any
> > site on the coast, the Delta or even Treasure Island.
> >
> > I think there may be something going on in terms of average wind vs.
> > seasonal wind, huge storm fronts or nothing, and maybe wind that is
> > slightly more offshore showing up on the map as more coastal. Also,
> > there probably is an issue with wind over a large region vs. wind that
> > is very localized.
> >
> > Does anyone know how the legend translates into wind speeds?

From:	WARDOG
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:42:12 -0800

Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
> Yeah, well, I've looked at the weekly graphs for Jalama every time I
> head to San Diego. It's always just borderline, if anything...

Yeah, well, you're right Paul...San Diego trumps the hell out of Jalama
for wind...;-)

>> chances of getting skunked are high, at least if you trust iWindsurf
>> site.

It is said that the Chumash named it "land of the changing wind"...don't
think Jalama translates any other way...oh, and they also said don't
trust the lazy white man's wind gauge, and especially his forecasts, er,
uh, I mean hindcasts...;-)

http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_history.jpg

Yep...always just borderline...if anything...;-)

http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_wind01.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_wind02.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_wind03.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_wind04.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_wind05.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_wind06.jpg

http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_liquid_insanity.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_spring_03_8.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_wavesoul.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_wavesoul3.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_sideshore1.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_sideshore2.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_overview2.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_waves1.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_waves2.jpg

>
> Or maybe I'm just spoiled, living 5 mn from Berkeley, 10 mn from
> Treasure Island, and 45 minutes from the Delta ;-)
>

Maybe...just wondering how have the waves been there lately?
Oh, and I always forget how gorgeous the drive through Pittsburg and
Antioch is on the way to the Delta...;-)

http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_valley.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_spring_03_1.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_spring_03_2.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_spring_03_3.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_road.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_road2.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_fields.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_country1.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_country2.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_country3.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_country4.jpg

Bonus sailing pics/vids...just a fluke...
http://surfingsports.com/images/j1.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/j2.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/j3.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/j4.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/j5.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/j6.jpg
http://surfingsports.com/images/j7.jpg

http://surfingsports.com/images/jahlama_frames.jpg
http://www.surfingsports.com/jalama_wavesailing.asp
http://www.surfingsports.com/action_jalama2000.asp

WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com

>
> In article <6QLGd.1621$ry.464@fed1read05>, WARDOG
> wrote:
>
>
>>Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Heck, Santa Barbara is better than any
>>>site on the coast, the Delta or even Treasure Island.
>>
>>Must be an anomaly...a glitch in their model...or maybe some geographer
>>spilled red ink on the map...there's never any wind around here...;-)
>>
>>WARDOG
>>http://surfingsports.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>In article <10umb9f1ij2ud04@corp.supernews.com>, Peter Berkey
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.energy.ca.gov/maps/wind_power_50m.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>Interesting map, but according to it the bay area is the worst spot to
>>>sail in all of of california. Heck, Santa Barbara is better than any
>>>site on the coast, the Delta or even Treasure Island.
>>>
>>>I think there may be something going on in terms of average wind vs.
>>>seasonal wind, huge storm fronts or nothing, and maybe wind that is
>>>slightly more offshore showing up on the map as more coastal. Also,
>>>there probably is an issue with wind over a large region vs. wind that
>>>is very localized.
>>>
>>>Does anyone know how the legend translates into wind speeds?

From:	Paul Braunbehrens
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:41:45 -0800

In article , WARDOG
wrote:

> Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
> > Yeah, well, I've looked at the weekly graphs for Jalama every time I
> > head to San Diego. It's always just borderline, if anything...
>
> Yeah, well, you're right Paul...San Diego trumps the hell out of Jalama
> for wind...;-)

Let me put it this way, I don't even bring gear when I go to SD. All I
bring is my suit and a boogie board. However, if I was sure there was
wave sailling, I would do the drive to Jalama (how long is is anyway?).
But I'd have to be pretty sure that I can sail.

> Oh, and I always forget how gorgeous the drive through Pittsburg and
> Antioch is on the way to the Delta...;-)

If you manage to enjoy the scenery, then you're not in as much of a
hurry as I am...when it blows I'm usually just looking out for cops...

> Bonus sailing pics/vids...just a fluke...
> http://surfingsports.com/images/j1.jpg
> http://surfingsports.com/images/j2.jpg
> http://surfingsports.com/images/j3.jpg
> http://surfingsports.com/images/j4.jpg
> http://surfingsports.com/images/j5.jpg
> http://surfingsports.com/images/j6.jpg
> http://surfingsports.com/images/j7.jpg
>

OK, but seriously, just how reliable is this. If I come to SD for a
week, and can convince the wife to let me head to Jalama twice, am I
gonna sail, or sit on the beach? If you make it so I can sail when we
go visit the in-laws, I'll owe you big. ;-)

From:	Bob Jacobson
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:54:48 GMT

Uh, Paul, Jalama is about the mid point between Berkeley and San Diego (if
you take 101). Stop onna way down, and onna way up, too. If no wind,
winetasting is in order (seen Sideways yet?). Tri-tip sanwiches too.

You can overnite in Santa Barbara, stay at the original Motel 6 (not
bad,about a block from the beach).

"Paul Braunbehrens"
wrote in message
news:170120051941454361%bakalite@insertthesamewordthatisbeforetheatsign.com...
> In article , WARDOG
> wrote:
>
> > Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
> > > Yeah, well, I've looked at the weekly graphs for Jalama every time I
> > > head to San Diego. It's always just borderline, if anything...
> >
> > Yeah, well, you're right Paul...San Diego trumps the hell out of Jalama
> > for wind...;-)
>
> Let me put it this way, I don't even bring gear when I go to SD. All I
> bring is my suit and a boogie board. However, if I was sure there was
> wave sailling, I would do the drive to Jalama (how long is is anyway?).
> But I'd have to be pretty sure that I can sail.
>
> > Oh, and I always forget how gorgeous the drive through Pittsburg and
> > Antioch is on the way to the Delta...;-)
>
> If you manage to enjoy the scenery, then you're not in as much of a
> hurry as I am...when it blows I'm usually just looking out for cops...
>
> > Bonus sailing pics/vids...just a fluke...
> > http://surfingsports.com/images/j1.jpg
> > http://surfingsports.com/images/j2.jpg
> > http://surfingsports.com/images/j3.jpg
> > http://surfingsports.com/images/j4.jpg
> > http://surfingsports.com/images/j5.jpg
> > http://surfingsports.com/images/j6.jpg
> > http://surfingsports.com/images/j7.jpg
> >
>
> OK, but seriously, just how reliable is this. If I come to SD for a
> week, and can convince the wife to let me head to Jalama twice, am I
> gonna sail, or sit on the beach? If you make it so I can sail when we
> go visit the in-laws, I'll owe you big. ;-)

From:	Paul Braunbehrens
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:45:20 -0800

So what's my next best shot for a one day trip if I'm stuck in S.D.?
Wardog put Jalama at 6 hours, and that's a bit much.

I looked at local SD sites, and it seems like unless you have formula
gear it's not really worth the hassle of packing it.

In article , Bob Jacobson
wrote:

> Uh, Paul, Jalama is about the mid point between Berkeley and San Diego (if
> you take 101). Stop onna way down, and onna way up, too. If no wind,
> winetasting is in order (seen Sideways yet?). Tri-tip sanwiches too.
>
> You can overnite in Santa Barbara, stay at the original Motel 6 (not
> bad,about a block from the beach).
>
>
>
> "Paul Braunbehrens"
> wrote in message
> news:170120051941454361%bakalite@insertthesamewordthatisbeforetheatsign.com...
> > In article , WARDOG
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
> > > > Yeah, well, I've looked at the weekly graphs for Jalama every time I
> > > > head to San Diego. It's always just borderline, if anything...
> > >
> > > Yeah, well, you're right Paul...San Diego trumps the hell out of Jalama
> > > for wind...;-)
> >
> > Let me put it this way, I don't even bring gear when I go to SD. All I
> > bring is my suit and a boogie board. However, if I was sure there was
> > wave sailling, I would do the drive to Jalama (how long is is anyway?).
> > But I'd have to be pretty sure that I can sail.
> >
> > > Oh, and I always forget how gorgeous the drive through Pittsburg and
> > > Antioch is on the way to the Delta...;-)
> >
> > If you manage to enjoy the scenery, then you're not in as much of a
> > hurry as I am...when it blows I'm usually just looking out for cops...
> >
> > > Bonus sailing pics/vids...just a fluke...
> > > http://surfingsports.com/images/j1.jpg
> > > http://surfingsports.com/images/j2.jpg
> > > http://surfingsports.com/images/j3.jpg
> > > http://surfingsports.com/images/j4.jpg
> > > http://surfingsports.com/images/j5.jpg
> > > http://surfingsports.com/images/j6.jpg
> > > http://surfingsports.com/images/j7.jpg
> > >
> >
> > OK, but seriously, just how reliable is this. If I come to SD for a
> > week, and can convince the wife to let me head to Jalama twice, am I
> > gonna sail, or sit on the beach? If you make it so I can sail when we
> > go visit the in-laws, I'll owe you big. ;-)
>
>

From:	Kirk Robertson
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:29:32 GMT

Paul Braunbehrens
wrote in news:190120052245208811%
bakalite@insertthesamewordthatisbeforetheatsign.com:

> So what's my next best shot for a one day trip if I'm stuck in S.D.?
> Wardog put Jalama at 6 hours, and that's a bit much.
>

How about Lake Hodges? It's north county inland (30-40 minutes north of
downtown). It should be open this summer, the lake finally has water in it
again. It's the only local consistent wind that you don't need formula
gear for. Cabrillo Beach and Belmont Shores up in LA county are probably
the next nearest things but not until spring/summer. J-street in San Diego
Harbor is fun when winter storms roll through.

Good luck! I'm wishing I could move away from this beautiful, calm, no-
wind city.

Kirk.

From:	Paul Braunbehrens
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:27:10 -0800

Actually Hodges is about 5 mn from where we stay, so that would be
ideal, but for the past few years there has been hardly any water and
no sailing. Also, as far as I can tell, you can only sail there on
Saturdays? I've never seen the gate to the sailing area open, and I've
never seen any sailing there.

I'd love to find out more about sailing there....it's so close, it
would really be ideal.

In article , Kirk Robertson
wrote:

> Paul Braunbehrens
> wrote in news:190120052245208811%
> bakalite@insertthesamewordthatisbeforetheatsign.com:
>
> > So what's my next best shot for a one day trip if I'm stuck in S.D.?
> > Wardog put Jalama at 6 hours, and that's a bit much.
> >
>
> How about Lake Hodges? It's north county inland (30-40 minutes north of
> downtown). It should be open this summer, the lake finally has water in it
> again. It's the only local consistent wind that you don't need formula
> gear for. Cabrillo Beach and Belmont Shores up in LA county are probably
> the next nearest things but not until spring/summer. J-street in San Diego
> Harbor is fun when winter storms roll through.
>
> Good luck! I'm wishing I could move away from this beautiful, calm, no-
> wind city.
>
> Kirk.

From:	Dan Weiss
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:03:24 -0500

If there is a classic clearing wind post-storm, try Leo Carrillo or County
Line, both in Malibu, north of the town center. Each offer great sailing,
with Leo a point break and County Line a jumble of pitching shorebreak at
various depths. Both get huge with a swell, but Leo remains bump and jump
in hard NW wind assuming there is no southern swell. County line picks up
more, but closes out sooner. Big sideshore, downwind current at County
Line, but nothing worse than the walk of shame if things go bad. You will
find less sideshore current at Leo due to the point, but it eventually gets
dicey if you break down and drift more than 1/4 mile to the south. That
said, Leo Carrillo is a great place to learn how to angle down the line,
while County Line is full-on nasty and pitching on a far smaller scale then
Jalama. Both are a lot closer to SB, too.

Google for Leo and County line, both Wardog and I posted on these about a
year ago.

-Dan
"Kirk Robertson" wrote in message
news:Xns95E4D0762CD2atckirkcoxnet@68.6.19.6...
> Paul Braunbehrens
> wrote in news:190120052245208811%
> bakalite@insertthesamewordthatisbeforetheatsign.com:
>
>> So what's my next best shot for a one day trip if I'm stuck in S.D.?
>> Wardog put Jalama at 6 hours, and that's a bit much.
>>
>
> How about Lake Hodges? It's north county inland (30-40 minutes north of
> downtown). It should be open this summer, the lake finally has water in
> it
> again. It's the only local consistent wind that you don't need formula
> gear for. Cabrillo Beach and Belmont Shores up in LA county are probably
> the next nearest things but not until spring/summer. J-street in San
> Diego
> Harbor is fun when winter storms roll through.
>
> Good luck! I'm wishing I could move away from this beautiful, calm, no-
> wind city.
>
> Kirk.

From:	Paul Braunbehrens
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:28:26 -0800

Thanks Dan, I'll check it out!

Paul.

In article , Dan Weiss
wrote:

> If there is a classic clearing wind post-storm, try Leo Carrillo or County
> Line, both in Malibu, north of the town center. Each offer great sailing,
> with Leo a point break and County Line a jumble of pitching shorebreak at
> various depths. Both get huge with a swell, but Leo remains bump and jump
> in hard NW wind assuming there is no southern swell. County line picks up
> more, but closes out sooner. Big sideshore, downwind current at County
> Line, but nothing worse than the walk of shame if things go bad. You will
> find less sideshore current at Leo due to the point, but it eventually gets
> dicey if you break down and drift more than 1/4 mile to the south. That
> said, Leo Carrillo is a great place to learn how to angle down the line,
> while County Line is full-on nasty and pitching on a far smaller scale then
> Jalama. Both are a lot closer to SB, too.
>
> Google for Leo and County line, both Wardog and I posted on these about a
> year ago.
>
> -Dan
> "Kirk Robertson" wrote in message
> news:Xns95E4D0762CD2atckirkcoxnet@68.6.19.6...
> > Paul Braunbehrens
> > wrote in news:190120052245208811%
> > bakalite@insertthesamewordthatisbeforetheatsign.com:
> >
> >> So what's my next best shot for a one day trip if I'm stuck in S.D.?
> >> Wardog put Jalama at 6 hours, and that's a bit much.
> >>
> >
> > How about Lake Hodges? It's north county inland (30-40 minutes north of
> > downtown). It should be open this summer, the lake finally has water in
> > it
> > again. It's the only local consistent wind that you don't need formula
> > gear for. Cabrillo Beach and Belmont Shores up in LA county are probably
> > the next nearest things but not until spring/summer. J-street in San
> > Diego
> > Harbor is fun when winter storms roll through.
> >
> > Good luck! I'm wishing I could move away from this beautiful, calm, no-
> > wind city.
> >
> > Kirk.
>
>

From:	Dan Weiss
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:59:58 -0500

Neither is a secret spot. Both are on PCH. Leo is easy since it's also a
state park. County line is about 1.5 miles north, just after a row of
condo's on the ocean side. I also meant to say that both are closer to SD
(not SB as I wrote) than Jalama. Both are fun, and Leo gets good summer
thermals, too.
"Paul Braunbehrens"
wrote in message
news:210120050928266636%bakalite@insertthesamewordthatisbeforetheatsign.com...
> Thanks Dan, I'll check it out!
>
> Paul.
>
>
> In article , Dan Weiss
> wrote:
>
>> If there is a classic clearing wind post-storm, try Leo Carrillo or
>> County
>> Line, both in Malibu, north of the town center. Each offer great
>> sailing,
>> with Leo a point break and County Line a jumble of pitching shorebreak at
>> various depths. Both get huge with a swell, but Leo remains bump and
>> jump
>> in hard NW wind assuming there is no southern swell. County line picks
>> up
>> more, but closes out sooner. Big sideshore, downwind current at County
>> Line, but nothing worse than the walk of shame if things go bad. You
>> will
>> find less sideshore current at Leo due to the point, but it eventually
>> gets
>> dicey if you break down and drift more than 1/4 mile to the south. That
>> said, Leo Carrillo is a great place to learn how to angle down the line,
>> while County Line is full-on nasty and pitching on a far smaller scale
>> then
>> Jalama. Both are a lot closer to SB, too.
>>
>> Google for Leo and County line, both Wardog and I posted on these about a
>> year ago.
>>
>> -Dan
>> "Kirk Robertson" wrote in message
>> news:Xns95E4D0762CD2atckirkcoxnet@68.6.19.6...
>> > Paul Braunbehrens
>> > wrote in news:190120052245208811%
>> > bakalite@insertthesamewordthatisbeforetheatsign.com:
>> >
>> >> So what's my next best shot for a one day trip if I'm stuck in S.D.?
>> >> Wardog put Jalama at 6 hours, and that's a bit much.
>> >>
>> >
>> > How about Lake Hodges? It's north county inland (30-40 minutes north
>> > of
>> > downtown). It should be open this summer, the lake finally has water
>> > in
>> > it
>> > again. It's the only local consistent wind that you don't need formula
>> > gear for. Cabrillo Beach and Belmont Shores up in LA county are
>> > probably
>> > the next nearest things but not until spring/summer. J-street in San
>> > Diego
>> > Harbor is fun when winter storms roll through.
>> >
>> > Good luck! I'm wishing I could move away from this beautiful, calm,
>> > no-
>> > wind city.
>> >
>> > Kirk.
>>
>>

From:	WARDOG
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:19:12 -0800

Bob Jacobson wrote:

> Uh, Paul, Jalama is about the mid point between Berkeley and San Diego (if
> you take 101). Stop onna way down, and onna way up, too. If no wind,
> winetasting is in order (seen Sideways yet?). Tri-tip sanwiches too.

It's even further away and harder to get to now that PCH Hwy 1 is washed
out in two places...gonna take a lot of work to get it back
together...back roads...one way in...one way out...the J is prolly six
hours from San Diego...definitely not a day trip...

WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com

>
> You can overnite in Santa Barbara, stay at the original Motel 6 (not
> bad,about a block from the beach).
>
>
>
> "Paul Braunbehrens"
> wrote in message
> news:170120051941454361%bakalite@insertthesamewordthatisbeforetheatsign.com...
>
>>In article , WARDOG
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yeah, well, I've looked at the weekly graphs for Jalama every time I
>>>>head to San Diego. It's always just borderline, if anything...
>>>
>>>Yeah, well, you're right Paul...San Diego trumps the hell out of Jalama
>>>for wind...;-)
>>
>>Let me put it this way, I don't even bring gear when I go to SD. All I
>>bring is my suit and a boogie board. However, if I was sure there was
>>wave sailling, I would do the drive to Jalama (how long is is anyway?).
>>But I'd have to be pretty sure that I can sail.
>>
>>
>>>Oh, and I always forget how gorgeous the drive through Pittsburg and
>>>Antioch is on the way to the Delta...;-)
>>
>>If you manage to enjoy the scenery, then you're not in as much of a
>>hurry as I am...when it blows I'm usually just looking out for cops...
>>
>>
>>>Bonus sailing pics/vids...just a fluke...
>>>http://surfingsports.com/images/j1.jpg
>>>http://surfingsports.com/images/j2.jpg
>>>http://surfingsports.com/images/j3.jpg
>>>http://surfingsports.com/images/j4.jpg
>>>http://surfingsports.com/images/j5.jpg
>>>http://surfingsports.com/images/j6.jpg
>>>http://surfingsports.com/images/j7.jpg
>>>
>>
>>OK, but seriously, just how reliable is this. If I come to SD for a
>>week, and can convince the wife to let me head to Jalama twice, am I
>>gonna sail, or sit on the beach? If you make it so I can sail when we
>>go visit the in-laws, I'll owe you big. ;-)
>
>
>

From:	JSNTG
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:51:57 -0500

Title of map indicates wind at 50 meters. I'm assuming this is above ground level and
doesn't necessarily correlate with surface winds.

Hugh

"Paul Braunbehrens" < wrote:
>
> > http://www.energy.ca.gov/maps/wind_power_50m.jpg
> ...
>
> I think there may be something going on in terms of average wind vs.
> seasonal wind, huge storm fronts or nothing, and maybe wind that is
> slightly more offshore showing up on the map as more coastal. Also,
> there probably is an issue with wind over a large region vs. wind that
> is very localized.
>
> Does anyone know how the legend translates into wind speeds?

From:	Paul Braunbehrens
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:19:21 -0800

Hmmm. How the heck do they know what the wind is doing 150 feet up in
the air?

That would explain some of the weirdness though.

In article , JSNTG
wrote:

> Title of map indicates wind at 50 meters. I'm assuming this is above ground
> level and
> doesn't necessarily correlate with surface winds.
>
> Hugh
>
> "Paul Braunbehrens" < wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.energy.ca.gov/maps/wind_power_50m.jpg
> > ...
> >
> > I think there may be something going on in terms of average wind vs.
> > seasonal wind, huge storm fronts or nothing, and maybe wind that is
> > slightly more offshore showing up on the map as more coastal. Also,
> > there probably is an issue with wind over a large region vs. wind that
> > is very localized.
> >
> > Does anyone know how the legend translates into wind speeds?
>

From:	JSNTG
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:10:58 -0500

Recon gathered surreptitiously during one of the army's secret cock-roach kamikaze programs.

"Paul Braunbehrens" wrote:
> Hmmm. How the heck do they know what the wind is doing 150 feet up in
> the air?

From:	JimmySchmittsLovesChocolateMilk
Subject:	Re: Cali wind map
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:32:03 -0500

"Paul Braunbehrens"
wrote in message
news:170120051019212376%bakalite@insertthesamewordthatisbeforetheatsign.com...
> Hmmm. How the heck do they know what the wind is doing 150 feet up in
> the air?

144 foot pole attched to a 6 foot scientist.
geez.

sorry, couldn't resist.

>
> That would explain some of the weirdness though.
>
> In article , JSNTG
> wrote:
>
>> Title of map indicates wind at 50 meters. I'm assuming this is above
>> ground
>> level and
>> doesn't necessarily correlate with surface winds.
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>> "Paul Braunbehrens" < wrote:
>> >
>> > > http://www.energy.ca.gov/maps/wind_power_50m.jpg
>> > ...
>> >
>> > I think there may be something going on in terms of average wind vs.
>> > seasonal wind, huge storm fronts or nothing, and maybe wind that is
>> > slightly more offshore showing up on the map as more coastal. Also,
>> > there probably is an issue with wind over a large region vs. wind that
>> > is very localized.
>> >
>> > Does anyone know how the legend translates into wind speeds?
>>