 | | From: | Andrew | | Subject: | Back to question of fin box | | Date: | Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:48:03 -0500 |
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 | I never liked tuttle finbox. I sail in pretty shallow waters, and I
don't want to loose board just because I hit something with the fin.
Recently I was looking photoset from London boat show and found picture
of bunch of broken fins. All fins broken in different places and only
one fin not broken and comes together with finbox - tuttle box!
http://www.pwaworldtour.com/pwa.sys/popup/display,2916
After that I said myself - Yes, that's why I never buy board with tuttle
box!
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Andrew
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| | From: | Bill Kline | | Subject: | Re: Back to question of fin box | | Date: | 16 Jan 2005 22:14:10 GMT |
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| Cheap constuction breaks. Lots of stock fins there.....
I guess fin box is the sailors personal choice.
Bill Kline
Gorge Sport USA
Curtis Performance Fins, Orca Fins, Orca Kite Fins
Hood River, OR USA
www.gsport.com
ph/541 387 2649 fax/541 386 1715
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| | From: | wal | | Subject: | Re: Back to question of fin box | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:32:43 +1000 |
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| Well, as I've said before, you can at least rig a Tuttle to release before
breaking anything with a break away cross nut and a bit of tinkering.
"Andrew" wrote in message
news:MPG.1c548efc98b65027989687@news.comcast.giganews.com...
>I never liked tuttle finbox. I sail in pretty shallow waters, and I
> don't want to loose board just because I hit something with the fin.
> Recently I was looking photoset from London boat show and found picture
> of bunch of broken fins. All fins broken in different places and only
> one fin not broken and comes together with finbox - tuttle box!
>
> http://www.pwaworldtour.com/pwa.sys/popup/display,2916
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> After that I said myself - Yes, that's why I never buy board with tuttle
> box!
>
> --
> Andrew
> replay to: windyandy-at-comcast-dot-net
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| | From: | KentB | | Subject: | Re: Back to question of fin box | | Date: | Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:38:52 GMT |
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| I don't have anything to say good or bad about the Tuttle fin box. But I do
note that many of those fins have the back part of the fin mount broken.
What are the chances the fin mount broke without damaging the fin box? I
bet many of them took out the fin box as well.
Anyway, I like the picture.
"Andrew" wrote in message
news:MPG.1c548efc98b65027989687@news.comcast.giganews.com...
> I never liked tuttle finbox. I sail in pretty shallow waters, and I
> don't want to loose board just because I hit something with the fin.
> Recently I was looking photoset from London boat show and found picture
> of bunch of broken fins. All fins broken in different places and only
> one fin not broken and comes together with finbox - tuttle box!
>
> http://www.pwaworldtour.com/pwa.sys/popup/display,2916
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> After that I said myself - Yes, that's why I never buy board with tuttle
> box!
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> --
> Andrew
> replay to: windyandy-at-comcast-dot-net
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| | From: | Exkraut | | Subject: | Re: Back to question of fin box | | Date: | 17 Jan 2005 00:32:45 GMT |
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| seems a question of fin box construction - the Chinook ones with integral fin
screw posts don't ever seem to fail; the "sensible" installations with the fin
screws at deck level just tear through the deck with minimal damage; but the
"fancy" recessed fin screw arrangements as seen in a lot of production boards
seem to take out the whole enchilada on impact (see
www.boardlady.com/tuttlebox.htm).
Eva
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| | From: | Exkraut | | Subject: | Re: Back to question of fin box | | Date: | 17 Jan 2005 01:46:36 GMT |
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| and then, considering that a good fin can run double the cost of fin box
replacement, you maybe do want the fin box to fall over dead??
Eva :)
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| | From: | Andrew | | Subject: | Re: Back to question of fin box | | Date: | Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:49:45 -0500 |
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| In article <20050116204636.14219.00000043@mb-m10.aol.com>,
exkraut@aol.com says...
> and then, considering that a good fin can run double the cost of fin box
> replacement, you maybe do want the fin box to fall over dead??
> Eva :)
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Eva,
I don't have formula board.
IMO - Tuttle box make sense probably for 70cm fins, but not for small
boards and fins.
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Andrew
replay to: windyandy-at-comcast-dot-net
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| | From: | Dan Weiss | | Subject: | Re: Back to question of fin box | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:18:41 -0500 |
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| Eva: Nice post, as usual. I notice that you really don't like the recessed
fin bolt areas on the deck. I find that most co's use these to protect the
foot of the sail or booms from getting chewed up by an exposed bolt head.
Any thoughts?
"Exkraut" wrote in message
news:20050116204636.14219.00000043@mb-m10.aol.com...
> and then, considering that a good fin can run double the cost of fin box
> replacement, you maybe do want the fin box to fall over dead??
> Eva :)
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| | From: | Exkraut | | Subject: | Re: Back to question of fin box | | Date: | 17 Jan 2005 18:21:49 GMT |
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| >I notice that you really don't like the recessed
>fin bolt areas on the deck. I find that most co's use these to protect the
>foot of the sail or booms from getting chewed up by an exposed bolt head.
I like those a lot, since many minor fin impacts cause the interface of top of
fin box/bottom of screw recess to separate (see
www.boardlady.com/jppowerbox.htm), giving me lucrative fin box replacement jobs
in the bargain :)
In all earnest now: for all but the smallest fins, the fin box needs to be
supported by deck AND bottom. Instead of sacrificing the deck support and
building in recesses for the screw heads, the rider's feet can just as easily
be protected with those nifty washers Starboard supplies with their boards
Eva
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| | From: | wsurfn | | Subject: | Re: Back to question of fin box | | Date: | 17 Jan 2005 05:37:49 -0800 |
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Eva:
In 1991 I got my first credit card, and bought myself a new 9'6" AHD
and it came with one of the first tuttle boxes. I bought a Gaastra 6.0
Slalomfoil Pro and a Aerotech 7.5 Prorace. I got a Finworks H3 to stick
in it.
It was an incredible set-up at the time (and I am sure I paid for it
many times over). The next year I moved from Texas to Baltimore and
would sail a place called Gunpowder Falls State Park. It was a bay
connected to a rivermouth. I was sailing in marginal conditions, and
was planing while most people we schlogging (because I had pulled out
that card), when suddenly a big submerged log crossed my nose. I tried
to hop it but the fin did not clear it.
It smashed in the back end of the box just below the bottom. I repaired
it after every time I sailed (usually filling it with marine-tex and
carefully sanding it fair).
I burned out repairing it, my studies were getting more intense, and
the internet was rough and text only. No Boardlady that I knew of. I
stopped sailing for a while. I was not sure if I would buy a tuttle box
board again after that.
Yesterday, I pulled out my vinylester Larry Tuttle Finworks H3 and it
still looks great. There is no doubt that the finbox was the weak link.
I doubt break away bolts would have prevented the finbox from being
damaged. Part of the reason it is so strong, is the fin is sucked in
the board with no place to go. If it tries to rotate, it is going to
have to damage one of the walls.
So, I do not think a nonproduction fin would damage a tuttlebox less.
Since the fin cannot rotate out without damaging the box, I doubt
breakaway finbolts will totally prevent finbox damage. And now I know
thanks to Eva, you need to replace the whole box. This is pretty
complex for the average Joe. Y'all are lucky to have her on the west
coast (just like quality vw restoration folks).
My biggest pet peeve is the tolerances that Cobra thinks are acceptable
for their tuttle boxes. I never had to finish out a finbox on my old
AHD, or Mike's Lab, but have on 2 of 3 of my Starboards.
Mark
Austin,TX
P.S. Eva your website is great and your trailer rocks!
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| | From: | rathokan at gmail.com | | Subject: | Re: Back to question of fin box | | Date: | 16 Jan 2005 21:31:11 -0800 |
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| what i found interesting about that picture was that most, if not all,
appear to be stock fins...
does this mean a lot of guys on the PWA tour use stock fins
OR
does it mean that stock fins are more likely to break!!
kev
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| | From: | Bill Kline | | Subject: | Re: Back to question of fin box | | Date: | 17 Jan 2005 06:49:22 GMT |
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| Hi Kev>Subject: Re: Back to question of fin box
>From: rathokan@gmail.com
>Date: 1/16/2005 9:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <1105939871.169240.63160@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
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>what i found interesting about that picture was that most, if not all,
>appear to be stock fins...
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>does this mean a lot of guys on the PWA tour use stock fins
>OR
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>does it mean that stock fins are more likely to break!!
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>kev
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Hi Kev
Cheap molded fins and polyester fins in such designs are more likely to break.
They look much like the fins in the picture.
Bill
Bill Kline
Gorge Sport USA
Curtis Performance Fins, Orca Fins, Orca Kite Fins
Hood River, OR USA
www.gsport.com
ph/541 387 2649 fax/541 386 1715
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