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Coldness, Yaktrax Review
| SwStudio | | lanceandrew at aol.com | | Dot | | Brian Baresch | | Tom Phillips | | John Galt | | Tom Phillips |
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| | From: | SwStudio | | Subject: | Coldness, Yaktrax Review | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:46:27 -0500 |
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 | The windchill at a race I ran this morning was -30C (-23F). It was
a 'real' windchill, too. Sustained and bitter. The actual air temp was
-19C (-3F), so you know it was a strong wind. I think a lot of us
in the NE of North America got hit bad.
Needless to say I found it hard to race, or even breathe for that
matter. It was probably one of the coldest races I've ever endured.
My feet never get cold, but this time my toes were numb the whole
way through.
I wore the 'Yaktrax Pro' traction devices, since the surface I was
running on was 80% hardpacked snow, 10% sheet ice, and 10%
wet pavement. They worked very well on all surfaces, even the wet
pavement. I give them two thumbs up for use under even hard racing
conditions at or below 6:00 miles.
cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON)
www.allfalldown.org
www.absolutelyaccurate.com
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| | From: | lanceandrew at aol.com | | Subject: | Re: Coldness, Yaktrax Review | | Date: | 23 Jan 2005 12:17:12 -0800 |
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| Who was the sponsor of this race David and how many people turned out
for the event? You also did not mention the distance. Can't speak
for Canada but most U.S. running organizatons would cancel an event if
it was -23F w/the WindChill I would think.
Don't they have some sort/form of weather alerts wherein regional
Government officials advise against being outdoors for any reason?
Race waivers don't free liability for RDs here (and I doubt in Canada).
A Lightning storm alert in the area would force an RD to cancel a
race. As would 105 weather with humidity making what we call the
"heat index" feel like 115F or so.
Who was the sponsor & how many turned out? Is this typical in your
area?...holding running events in such conditions?
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| | From: | Dot | | Subject: | Re: Coldness, Yaktrax Review | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:02:18 GMT |
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| SwStudio wrote:
> The windchill at a race I ran this morning was -30C (-23F). It was
> a 'real' windchill, too. Sustained and bitter. The actual air temp was
> -19C (-3F), so you know it was a strong wind. I think a lot of us
> in the NE of North America got hit bad.
And the rest of us are jealous :( We're praying for snow, and it got
misdirected some place where people don't appreciate it ;)
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> Needless to say I found it hard to race, or even breathe for that
> matter.
Did you use a balaclava or scarf or some face cover? About 0F/-18C is
when I start considering using mine, although it varies.
It was probably one of the coldest races I've ever endured.
> My feet never get cold, but this time my toes were numb the whole
> way through.
Do you have fairly open mesh shoe that the wind can play in - hence cold
toes? Also, the yaktrax can restrict circulation. I know there's been
cases of frostbite using things with bindings in the old Iditarun -
apparently without symptoms - or perhaps ignored symptoms (Eric Clifton
and one other racer in the story I was reading).
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> I wore the 'Yaktrax Pro' traction devices, since the surface I was
> running on was 80% hardpacked snow, 10% sheet ice, and 10%
> wet pavement. They worked very well on all surfaces, even the wet
> pavement. I give them two thumbs up for use under even hard racing
> conditions at or below 6:00 miles.
I'm surprised they weren't a pain on pavement. I've found them ok for
hardpacked snow for running, but no grip on icy hills - lots of slippage
on 10-15% slope a couple weeks ago. I'll walk in them on ice, but use
ice joggers (sharp points) when I need traction on ice like we've had.
Congratulations for surviving your race!
Dot
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"You try to slow down and enjoy it. You try to look at the scenery. But
your brain can kind of go blank. All you want to do is tell your feet to
keep working."
-Cedar Petrosius, women's winner 2004 Matanuska Peak Challenge (14mi,
9000ft up and down)
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| | From: | Brian Baresch | | Subject: | Re: Coldness, Yaktrax Review | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:28:57 GMT |
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| >I wore the 'Yaktrax Pro' traction devices, since the surface I was
>running on was 80% hardpacked snow, 10% sheet ice, and 10%
>wet pavement. They worked very well on all surfaces, even the wet
>pavement. I give them two thumbs up for use under even hard racing
>conditions at or below 6:00 miles.
Coulda used a set of those in a race a few years ago. Half marathon,
about this time of year, the morning after about a 6-inch snowfall,
mostly rural unplowed roads. There were some tire ruts in the snow, so
we had our choice of the fresh snow that slowed us down, or the packed
snow that we might slide on. I was told that the women's winner fell
down at least once.
It was cold, too, but not as cold as you had to deal with.
--
Brian P. Baresch
Fort Worth, Texas, USA
Professional editing and proofreading
If you're going through hell, keep going. --Winston Churchill
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| | From: | Tom Phillips | | Subject: | Re: Coldness, Yaktrax Review | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:18:49 -0700 |
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SwStudio wrote:
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> The windchill at a race I ran this morning was -30C (-23F). It was
> a 'real' windchill, too. Sustained and bitter. The actual air temp was
> -19C (-3F), so you know it was a strong wind. I think a lot of us
> in the NE of North America got hit bad.
>
> Needless to say I found it hard to race, or even breathe for that
Sounds like pulmonary chilling. Not good...
> matter. It was probably one of the coldest races I've ever endured.
> My feet never get cold, but this time my toes were numb the whole
> way through.
Skin will begin to freeze at 24F (skin temp is 24F).
There are several degrees of frostbite: numbness is
soft frostbite, not severe but on the way to harder
frostbite and possible tissue damage. The fact that
your toes got to the point of numbness means they
were in fact quite cold.
Frostbite risk increases if you're dehydrated or
wearing tight fitting shoes/clothes. being wet makes
it even worse.
> I wore the 'Yaktrax Pro' traction devices, since the surface I was
> running on was 80% hardpacked snow, 10% sheet ice, and 10%
> wet pavement. They worked very well on all surfaces, even the wet
> pavement. I give them two thumbs up for use under even hard racing
> conditions at or below 6:00 miles.
>
> cheers,
> --
> David (in Hamilton, ON)
> www.allfalldown.org
> www.absolutelyaccurate.com
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| | From: | John Galt | | Subject: | Re: Coldness, Yaktrax Review | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:20:21 -0500 |
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| >>Sounds like pulmonary chilling. Not good...
Interesting. And curious. Why is it that cross country skiers are not
susceptible to this effect?
"Tom Phillips" wrote in message
news:41F3F888.70B95F97@aol.com...
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> SwStudio wrote:
>>
>> The windchill at a race I ran this morning was -30C (-23F). It was
>> a 'real' windchill, too. Sustained and bitter. The actual air temp was
>> -19C (-3F), so you know it was a strong wind. I think a lot of us
>> in the NE of North America got hit bad.
>>
>> Needless to say I found it hard to race, or even breathe for that
>
> Sounds like pulmonary chilling. Not good...
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>> matter. It was probably one of the coldest races I've ever endured.
>> My feet never get cold, but this time my toes were numb the whole
>> way through.
>
> Skin will begin to freeze at 24F (skin temp is 24F).
> There are several degrees of frostbite: numbness is
> soft frostbite, not severe but on the way to harder
> frostbite and possible tissue damage. The fact that
> your toes got to the point of numbness means they
> were in fact quite cold.
>
> Frostbite risk increases if you're dehydrated or
> wearing tight fitting shoes/clothes. being wet makes
> it even worse.
>
>> I wore the 'Yaktrax Pro' traction devices, since the surface I was
>> running on was 80% hardpacked snow, 10% sheet ice, and 10%
>> wet pavement. They worked very well on all surfaces, even the wet
>> pavement. I give them two thumbs up for use under even hard racing
>> conditions at or below 6:00 miles.
>>
>> cheers,
>> --
>> David (in Hamilton, ON)
>> www.allfalldown.org
>> www.absolutelyaccurate.com
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| | From: | Tom Phillips | | Subject: | Re: Coldness, Yaktrax Review | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:36:34 -0700 |
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John Galt wrote:
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> >>Sounds like pulmonary chilling. Not good...
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> Interesting. And curious. Why is it that cross country skiers are not
> susceptible to this effect?
Of course -3 isn't that cold, but the -20 wind
chill may still be a factor. Extreme cold can
affect breathing (sort of cold induced asthma)
but I can't recall ever breathing as rapidly
skiing as I do when running, and it has to do
with rapid breathing at very low temperatures.
Course I'm just conjecturing. It's avoided by
wearing a face mask so you both rebreath and
warm the air.
> "Tom Phillips" wrote in message
> news:41F3F888.70B95F97@aol.com...
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> > SwStudio wrote:
> >>
> >> The windchill at a race I ran this morning was -30C (-23F). It was
> >> a 'real' windchill, too. Sustained and bitter. The actual air temp was
> >> -19C (-3F), so you know it was a strong wind. I think a lot of us
> >> in the NE of North America got hit bad.
> >>
> >> Needless to say I found it hard to race, or even breathe for that
> >
> > Sounds like pulmonary chilling. Not good...
> >
> >> matter. It was probably one of the coldest races I've ever endured.
> >> My feet never get cold, but this time my toes were numb the whole
> >> way through.
> >
> > Skin will begin to freeze at 24F (skin temp is 24F).
> > There are several degrees of frostbite: numbness is
> > soft frostbite, not severe but on the way to harder
> > frostbite and possible tissue damage. The fact that
> > your toes got to the point of numbness means they
> > were in fact quite cold.
> >
> > Frostbite risk increases if you're dehydrated or
> > wearing tight fitting shoes/clothes. being wet makes
> > it even worse.
> >
> >> I wore the 'Yaktrax Pro' traction devices, since the surface I was
> >> running on was 80% hardpacked snow, 10% sheet ice, and 10%
> >> wet pavement. They worked very well on all surfaces, even the wet
> >> pavement. I give them two thumbs up for use under even hard racing
> >> conditions at or below 6:00 miles.
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> --
> >> David (in Hamilton, ON)
> >> www.allfalldown.org
> >> www.absolutelyaccurate.com
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