I have never flown before so I'm not up on which sites to go to to get
really good deals. I'm going to NYC from Washington, DC or I could leave
from Dulles or BWI as well. Is there such a thing as airfare being around
the same as a bus or train trip would be or is that wishful thinking?

Where would u suggest I go to look?

Thanks.

From:	alphamale213 at hotmail.com
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	21 Jan 2005 08:44:31 -0800

I was on the flyi site this morning and they have one way fares for
$129 to JFK or Newark. I have heard nothing but good things about the
carrier. I haven't flown them myself, but they have a great Vegas deal
that I'm seriously thinking of taking advantage of.

From:	Shawn Mamros
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	21 Jan 2005 18:08:39 GMT

wrote:
>I was on the flyi site this morning and they have one way fares for
>$129 to JFK or Newark. I have heard nothing but good things about the
>carrier. I haven't flown them myself, but they have a great Vegas deal
>that I'm seriously thinking of taking advantage of.

I think someone (was it Sam?) made a post here regarding a negative
experience with Independence Air, something to do with a missed
connection, IIRC. That wouldn't be an issue if you're flying out
of DC where their hub is, though.

-Shawn Mamros
E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu

From:	steelforce at aol.come2Mypark (Sam Marks)
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	21 Jan 2005 18:24:45 GMT

>I think someone (was it Sam?) made a post here regarding a negative
>experience with Independence Air, something to do with a missed
>connection, IIRC. That wouldn't be an issue if you're flying out
>of DC where their hub is, though.

here's a copy if my Independence Air experience
------------------------------------
Indepenence Air is a joke. they are just about the most
unprofessional airline i've experienced. When we were headed to Knoxville a few
weeks ago there was a fog issue, and numerous flights were
grounded/delayed/cancelled. When flights were cancelled, NOBODY announced it!
If you had a question you would get a different answer from every person you
asked. Our flight was 8:25am we left at 3:30pm at 1:45pm they announced the "on
time" departure of the 2pm flight to...KNOXVILLE! as we sat there waiting for
our flight. Right after they announced the 2pm flight, they announced that in
15 mins they would page the back up crew for the 8:25am flight....HUH? One
supervisor told me that the crew was diverted a 2nd time, another said we had
no crew and the back ups were being paged in 15 mins. another said they might
have seats on the 2pm flight for us.

at 2pm the the 2pm flight didn't board and it was announced that it was delayed
for maintenance reasons, then immediately they announce the boarding of our
flight (which they hadn't even paged the back up crew for yet...) We were all
on the flight and 45 mins later, after fueling (which was ten mins after we had
all been seated) we pushed back. we had no ice, and they said it would be
another hour till the ice came, and she asked if we minded flying w/o ice
(remember we're now well over 6hrs late)

Before we landed in Knoxville the flight attendant took the leftover coffee and
walked it back and dumped it in the toilet in the back of the plane!

Our return flight was uneventful except for the fact that it was scheduled to
arrive at 10:05pm and we arrived at 9:20pm which leads me to ask, HOW does a
flight schedule call for a 1hr and 40min flight on a leg that takes a maximum
of 60mins to complete?

Southwest knows how to fly! the only gripe i've ever had was a safety
conscious captain that kept the fasten seat belt light on when it wasn't
needed. (I didn't have to go, but the people around me were squirming)

From:	mamoosh
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:33:29 GMT

Check out this thread I started on Coasterbuzz...I think you'll find
it very informative:

http://club.coasterbuzz.com/forum.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=37311

mOOSH

From:	Sseadoubleyou
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:43:23 -0500

Thanks Moosh, ppreciate that.

"mamoosh" wrote in message
news:JimHd.10397$pZ4.839@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Check out this thread I started on Coasterbuzz...I think you'll find
> it very informative:
>
> http://club.coasterbuzz.com/forum.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=37311
>
> mOOSH
>
>

From:	Mike Kallay
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:27:44 -0800

In article ,
mamoosh@earthlink.net says...
> Check out this thread I started on Coasterbuzz...I think you'll find
> it very informative:
>
> http://club.coasterbuzz.com/forum.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=37311
>
> mOOSH

In addition to Matthew's exhaustive reference, you may want to try
www.sidestep.com I think it might only work on IE, but it's damned
cool. It's an ActiveX add-in to the browser that lets you simultaneously
search hundreds of sites, including all the airlines, consolidators,
Expedia, Travelocity, etc., and it then ranks the flights based on price
or time or whatever you want.

BTW, it's free.

--

mike kallay
free coaster pr0n at www.ghostrider.org
kallay@ghostrider.org

From:	Keith Hopkins
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:40:45 -0600

"Mike Kallay" wrote in message
news:MPG.1c589adebbca382b989908@news.individual.net...
> In article ,
> mamoosh@earthlink.net says...
> > Check out this thread I started on Coasterbuzz...I think you'll find
> > it very informative:
> >
> > http://club.coasterbuzz.com/forum.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=37311
> >
> > mOOSH
>
> In addition to Matthew's exhaustive reference, you may want to try
> www.sidestep.com I think it might only work on IE, but it's damned
> cool. It's an ActiveX add-in to the browser that lets you simultaneously
> search hundreds of sites, including all the airlines, consolidators,
> Expedia, Travelocity, etc., and it then ranks the flights based on price
> or time or whatever you want.
>
> BTW, it's free.

Be aware; some regard it as Spyware. Spybot will take note of it, but
doesn't automatically check it as "you should remove this". I'm still not
sure about Sidestep, myself. (There's no such thing as "free" software.
There's a cost somewhere.)

Not saying you should avoid it. But just be aware that it has some
mysterious tendencies. If you view Gmail as highly invasive, you probably
won't want Sidestep on your PC.

--
Keith Hopkins
susskins@visi.comblock (clear the block to reply)
"...as easy as pushing large toads into small cans." - James Lileks

From:	Steve Hoskins
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:12:23 GMT

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:17:10 -0500, "Sseadoubleyou"
wrote :

>I have never flown before so I'm not up on which sites to go to to get
>really good deals. I'm going to NYC from Washington, DC or I could leave
>from Dulles or BWI as well. Is there such a thing as airfare being around
>the same as a bus or train trip would be or is that wishful thinking?
>
>Where would u suggest I go to look?

I have tried getting decent fares on airlines through all these
bargain travel sites...with no luck. I travel from orange County (CA)
to Seattle twice a year, and have always gotten the best price right
on the website of Alaska Airlines.

Perhaps others have done better elsewhere...but I like to know exactly
when I am going to fly...not just the day, but the hour too. Get on
those bargain sites and you sometimes never know what time of day they
will give you.

A buddy of mine recently got what he thought was a bargain fare from
LA to Orlando -- he didn't realize they put him on NW and he had a
three hour stopover in freezing Minnie-Apple-Ass. He said even inside
the terminal it was cold...I think he said he got a $99.00 fare, but
then when he got home checked direct flights on other airlines at only
$10-20.00 more!!!

From:	Iain Hendry
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:14:05 -0500

"Sseadoubleyou" wrote:

> Where would u suggest I go to look?

I'd say look to Acela, since it's faster than flying.

Iain

From:	Steve Hoskins
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:12:38 GMT

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:14:05 -0500, "Iain Hendry"
wrote :

>"Sseadoubleyou" wrote:
>
>> Where would u suggest I go to look?
>
>I'd say look to Acela, since it's faster than flying.

And more expensive in many cases.

From:	Shawn Mamros
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	19 Jan 2005 15:05:58 GMT

Iain Hendry wrote:
>"Sseadoubleyou" wrote:
>
>> Where would u suggest I go to look?
>
>I'd say look to Acela, since it's faster than flying.

Have you looked at an Acela timetable lately? Even accounting for
lead times for security checks at the airport, I'd say air still
beats rail. At worst, it's just about dead even. And Acela's
fares are no bargain, either, unless you like taking a train at
2am or thereabouts.

Acela was a step in the right direction, but Amtrak still rots.

-Shawn Mamros
E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu

From:	Justin Kreindel
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:56:10 -0500

"Shawn Mamros" wrote in message
news:41ee7756$0$568$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
> Iain Hendry wrote:
> >"Sseadoubleyou" wrote:
> >
> >> Where would u suggest I go to look?
> >
> >I'd say look to Acela, since it's faster than flying.
>
> Have you looked at an Acela timetable lately? Even accounting for
> lead times for security checks at the airport, I'd say air still
> beats rail. At worst, it's just about dead even. And Acela's
> fares are no bargain, either, unless you like taking a train at
> 2am or thereabouts.
>
> Acela was a step in the right direction, but Amtrak still rots.

Plus, Delta and USAirways have their own shuttles that run between Boston,
NY, and DC, and each have their own devoted security line which means you
don't even have to account for security lead time because there's rarely a
line.

Sorry Iain, just because it's a fast train does not mean it's faster or
cheaper than flying :)

-Justin

From:	Iain Hendry
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:58:53 -0500

"Justin Kreindel" wrote:

> Sorry Iain, just because it's a fast train does not mean it's faster or
> cheaper than flying :)

Then they bought Acela why?

Iain (scratching head)

From:	Joe Schwartz
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:43:35 -0800

"Iain Hendry" wrote:

> "Justin Kreindel" wrote:
>
> > Sorry Iain, just because it's a fast train does not mean it's faster
> > or cheaper than flying :)
>
> Then they bought Acela why?

Because it's government-owned and not required to make a profit?

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From:	Iain Hendry
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:55:13 -0500

"Joe Schwartz" wrote:

> Because it's government-owned and not required to make a profit?

Fair enough. Fast trains are pretty, and they came from Canada, which is
nice. :)

Iain

From:	steelforce at aol.come2Mypark (Sam Marks)
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	19 Jan 2005 16:00:01 GMT

>>I'd say look to Acela, since it's faster than flying.
>
>Have you looked at an Acela timetable lately?

4.5 hours using vamoosebus.com

and it's $35 round trip

BWI is 1 hour from DC Dulles is 45 mins

They ask that you arrive 1.5 to 2 hrs early

parking is $9 at BWI and $10 at Dulles (I believe)

I'd take the bus, and buy a DVD player... with the money I saved. (I actually
did that)

SAM

PS, you can get the NY Hilton on priceline for about $100 a nite. see
biddingfortravel.com for details and etc on how to use priceline to your
greatest advantage.

Member of
The Coaster Zombies Club
P.O. Box 12
Arlington,VA 22210-0012
www.coasterzombies.org

From:	Sseadoubleyou
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:08:22 -0500

I dont need to stay at a hotel Sam but you already know that now lol:)

"Sam Marks" wrote in message
news:20050119110001.02008.00000112@mb-m14.aol.com...
>>>I'd say look to Acela, since it's faster than flying.
>>
>>Have you looked at an Acela timetable lately?
>
> 4.5 hours using vamoosebus.com
>
> and it's $35 round trip
>
> BWI is 1 hour from DC Dulles is 45 mins
>
> They ask that you arrive 1.5 to 2 hrs early
>
> parking is $9 at BWI and $10 at Dulles (I believe)
>
> I'd take the bus, and buy a DVD player... with the money I saved. (I
> actually
> did that)
>
> SAM
>
> PS, you can get the NY Hilton on priceline for about $100 a nite. see
> biddingfortravel.com for details and etc on how to use priceline to your
> greatest advantage.
>
>
>
> Member of
> The Coaster Zombies Club
> P.O. Box 12
> Arlington,VA 22210-0012
> www.coasterzombies.org

From:	Shawn Mamros
Subject:	Re: OT/best site for best airfares?
Date:	19 Jan 2005 14:56:29 GMT

Sseadoubleyou wrote:
>I have never flown before so I'm not up on which sites to go to to get
>really good deals. I'm going to NYC from Washington, DC or I could leave
>from Dulles or BWI as well. Is there such a thing as airfare being around
>the same as a bus or train trip would be or is that wishful thinking?
>
>Where would u suggest I go to look?

In addition to Moosh's excellent suggestions, Independence Air (www.flyi.com)
might be worth looking into. They're one of the small discount carriers
that you won't find on Orbitz and the like. Dulles is their hub, and they
fly direct from there to either JFK or Newark.

-Shawn Mamros
E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu