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 | | From: | Scary | | Subject: | Young Gracie vs young Kickboxer | | Date: | 21 Jan 2005 06:59:56 -0800 |
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 | Guy on bottom could have subbed him at 00:35 if only he'd have reached
>-under- the arm and gotten the full (head-only) guillotine -after-
getting >half-guard to get one of Gracie's legs to prevent roll-over
Absolutely no fucking way. I get guillotined almost every class by
guys with real experience. I've tapped maybe 3 times to it ever. It's
just not a high percentage sub. And, I have a long neck.
>had >put a leg in between his legs and all he had to do is cross
feet). One back >arch away from tapping Gracie, imo. >
You are wrong. He had no ground skills and no chance at the sub.
>Guy on bottom could have subbed him at 00:35 if only he'd have
reached >-under- the arm and gotten the full (head-only) guillotine
-after- getting >half-guard to get one of Gracie's legs to prevent
roll-over
Absolutely no fucking way. I get guillotined almost every class by
guys with real experience. I've tapped maybe 3 times to it ever. It's
just not a high percentage sub. And, I have a long neck.
>had >put a leg in between his legs and all he had to do is cross
feet). One back >arch away from tapping Gracie, imo. >
You are wrong. He had no ground skills and no chance at the sub.
Travis.
I was thinking if the tall kid on the bottom had have closed his guard
high around Gracie and stretched his body out he could have got a
submission from the Guillotine.
It's been my experience that many people are used to doing the
guillotine from standing or sprawled positions and when the opponent
lands in guard most people try to pull off the guillotine with their
arms only.
That will only work on beginners or people who don't realize that
though extremely uncomfortable you only need to get one hand in or
stack your weight forward to take the pressure off!
Also going to side control or mount if the guard is not closed totally
negates the guillotine, so if you close the guard and climb your legs
as high as they'll go on the opponents back and then stretch your body
and pull on his head the guillotine becomes a crank that can work
nicely in that position.
That kid who claimed to be a kickboxer was just a 17-year-old kid who
may have done a bit of kickboxing.
Even given that (I just came home from a Vale Tudo class where we
practiced shooting against kickboxers!) a kickboxer who is not
familiar with a grapplers tactics I've noticed seem to not know how to
react when confronted by a guy that shoots.
However the guys I was training with know quite well how to respond to
a grappler! Hence my fat lip and tenderized top of my head!
Little Gracie seemed a bit sloppy, but then he's 15 and who knows how
long he's been doing JuiJitsu?
Scary.
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| | From: | Fraser Johnston | | Subject: | Re: Young Gracie vs young Kickboxer | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:43:39 +0800 |
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"Scary" wrote in message
news:62fa36f3.0501210659.18eeb12e@posting.google.com...
> Little Gracie seemed a bit sloppy, but then he's 15 and who knows how
> long he's been doing JuiJitsu?
I'd be guessing all his life.
Fraser
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