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 | | From: | bookworm | | Subject: | Identification of coat of arms - request for help | | Date: | 22 Jan 2005 09:42:08 -0800 |
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 | I have recently acquired a silver vesta case (c.1905) which has an
enamelled coat of arms (shield) on the side.
I will not attempt to describe this in heraldic terms, being somewhat
rusty in this field !
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The shield is of an exaggeratedly waisted form, with the two top
corners protruding in a canted form, and with three widely spaced
points at the bottom (thus making it roughly rectangular rather than
triangular)
It has a red border, on which are eight gold coronets roughly evenly
spaced - three across the top, one in the middle of each side, and
three more across the bottom.
The main field is white, with a broad black horizontal band across the
middle, and with three black cockerels' heads (two above and one
below)with red wattles and combs and gold beaks.
On the black band is a gold bishop's mitre, with its tabs spread out on
either side.
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Can anyone help please ?
(Its provenance is possibly the Oxford area - which might help -
although it is by no means certain - it does not appear to be any of
the Oxford Colleges)
Bookworm
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| | From: | bookworm | | Subject: | Re: Identification of coat of arms - request for help | | Date: | 23 Jan 2005 06:32:41 -0800 |
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| I tried to send this earlier, but apparently failed - you may
therefore eventually find two responses from me.
Thank you for this rapid clarification - oddly enough I had looked at
the Cambridge Colleges on Ryder & Amies' website, and completely missed
it!
Possibly something to do with the absence of the mitre from the
standard version, or the rather idiosyncratic shape of my shield
compared with the "triangular version"
Again, many thanks
Christopher
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| | From: | Lorraine McMillan | | Subject: | Re: Identification of coat of arms - request for help | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:52:17 GMT |
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"bookworm" wrote in message
news:1106415728.943432.187290@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>I have recently acquired a silver vesta case (c.1905) which has an
> enamelled coat of arms (shield) on the side.
>
> I will not attempt to describe this in heraldic terms, being somewhat
> rusty in this field !
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> The shield is of an exaggeratedly waisted form, with the two top
> corners protruding in a canted form, and with three widely spaced
> points at the bottom (thus making it roughly rectangular rather than
> triangular)
>
> It has a red border, on which are eight gold coronets roughly evenly
> spaced - three across the top, one in the middle of each side, and
> three more across the bottom.
>
> The main field is white, with a broad black horizontal band across the
> middle, and with three black cockerels' heads (two above and one
> below)with red wattles and combs and gold beaks.
>
> On the black band is a gold bishop's mitre, with its tabs spread out on
> either side.
>
According to this page
http://freespace.virgin.net/cade.york/limen/asns/asnstext.htm "Argent on a
fess sable between three cocks' heads erased sable a mitre or" (same as the
arms described except for the red border with coronets) were the arms of
John Alcock, successively Bishop of Rochester, Worcester, and Ely." The
red bordure with the coronets is presumably a differencing for cadency,
which would mean these are the arms of some Alcock or other.
Joseph McMillan
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| | From: | Don Aitken | | Subject: | Re: Identification of coat of arms - request for help | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:53:40 +0000 |
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| On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:52:17 GMT, "Lorraine McMillan"
wrote:
>
>"bookworm" wrote in message
>news:1106415728.943432.187290@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>I have recently acquired a silver vesta case (c.1905) which has an
>> enamelled coat of arms (shield) on the side.
>>
>> I will not attempt to describe this in heraldic terms, being somewhat
>> rusty in this field !
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> The shield is of an exaggeratedly waisted form, with the two top
>> corners protruding in a canted form, and with three widely spaced
>> points at the bottom (thus making it roughly rectangular rather than
>> triangular)
>>
>> It has a red border, on which are eight gold coronets roughly evenly
>> spaced - three across the top, one in the middle of each side, and
>> three more across the bottom.
>>
>> The main field is white, with a broad black horizontal band across the
>> middle, and with three black cockerels' heads (two above and one
>> below)with red wattles and combs and gold beaks.
>>
>> On the black band is a gold bishop's mitre, with its tabs spread out on
>> either side.
>>
>According to this page
>http://freespace.virgin.net/cade.york/limen/asns/asnstext.htm "Argent on a
>fess sable between three cocks' heads erased sable a mitre or" (same as the
>arms described except for the red border with coronets) were the arms of
>John Alcock, successively Bishop of Rochester, Worcester, and Ely." The
>red bordure with the coronets is presumably a differencing for cadency,
>which would mean these are the arms of some Alcock or other.
>
They are the arms of Jesus College Cambridge, of which Bishop Alcock
was the founder. See http://www.jesus.cam.ac.uk/college/coatarms.html
which gives illustrations of several versions and the original blazon,
from the grant of 1575.
--
Don Aitken
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read. To mail me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com".
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| | From: | bookworm | | Subject: | Re: Identification of coat of arms - request for help | | Date: | 23 Jan 2005 05:34:09 -0800 |
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| Thank you for your help - you will by now have seen Don Aitken's
amplification
bookworm (Christopher Hyatt)
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