 | | From: | Tony.Williams at quarry.nildram.co.uk | | Subject: | Anti-tank rifle ammunition | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:51:59 +0000 (UTC) |
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 | I've added an article describing, illustrating and providing data on
all of the ammunition used in service anti-tank rifles (and some
experimental ones too).
Scroll down the front page of my website to the Army section.
Tony Williams
Military gun and ammunition website: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk
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| | From: | web1000 at shaw.ca | | Subject: | Re: Anti-tank rifle ammunition | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:42:51 +0000 (UTC) |
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| excuse my ignoarance but does an anti tank rifle do more than tickle a
tank? maybe damage the clear coat?
Matt
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| | From: | George | | Subject: | Re: Anti-tank rifle ammunition | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:28:38 +0000 (UTC) |
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| It is an obsolete concept on tanks. It wouldn't make much of an impact on a
lot of the APCs today either. They would ruin most regular vehicles though.
They would make a hell of an anti-materiel rifle. Speaking of which, I found
this: http://club.guns.ru/eng/ntw20.html
George in Las Vegas
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| | From: | Richard | | Subject: | Re: Anti-tank rifle ammunition | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:55:03 +0000 (UTC) |
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| While it ( the original anti-tank gun) may be obsolete for its original
purpose, isn't the fairly popular Barrett 50 cal just a new take on the old
Boyes 50 cal anti-tank gun?
"George" wrote in message
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| | From: | Jim DeClercq | | Subject: | Re: Anti-tank rifle ammunition | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:53:56 +0000 (UTC) |
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| One interesting field of research may be the "dance" between thicker armor
and bigger guns, both in naval warfare, and in tanks. In tanks, which
started with rivited armor, which worked until other tank guns got bigger,
and then went to cast armor, then welded armor, then thicker cast armor,
and finally, as of now layered welded armor, based on a British patent to
Cobham for layered armor. The US version of this substitutes depleted
uranium for lead, and the layer thicknesses are both obvious and
classified.
Sometimes along in that process, an anti tank rifle would penetrate a tank
hull or turret. Still, it would not tickle. I am informed that if an RPG
hits an M1 tank turret on both sides at the same time, the crew's ears
will bleed for a while. No damage done to the tank, though.
If one does that often enough, the tank will surrender. The hard part is
getting close enough and staying alive long enough to do it. On average,
it has been calculated that 12 LAW hits will disable a tank.
One-shot stop needs another tank to do. Many shot stops are possible with
other approaches.
Jim
RPG Rocket Propelled Grenade
LAW Light Antitank Weapon
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| | From: | Pete Stephenson | | Subject: | Re: Anti-tank rifle ammunition | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:28:23 +0000 (UTC) |
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| In article , web1000@shaw.ca wrote:
# excuse my ignoarance but does an anti tank rifle do more than tickle a
# tank? maybe damage the clear coat?
They were mainly used before World War II when tanks armor was resistant
to small-arms fire, but was vulnerable to higher-powered shots.
When heavier armor became more common, anti-tank rifles were rapidly
made obsolete.
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| | From: | Tony.Williams at quarry.nildram.co.uk | | Subject: | Re: Anti-tank rifle ammunition | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:28:28 +0000 (UTC) |
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web1000@shaw.ca wrote:
# excuse my ignoarance but does an anti tank rifle do more than tickle
a
# tank? maybe damage the clear coat?
Depends on the gun, depends on the tank.
Most early WW2 tanks had quite thin armour which could be penetrated by
the ATRs. As the war proceeded, tank armour thickened up and the ATRs
gradually became ineffective. However, the Russian 14.5mm (the best of
them) could penetrate 40mm armour at close range, which was enough to
be a threat to the side armour of many tanks or other armoured vehicles
well into the war, so the Russians practiced ambush techniques. I don't
think anyone would want to sell you insurance if you had that job,
though.
TW
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| | From: | Jim Yanik | | Subject: | Re: Anti-tank rifle ammunition | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:54:23 +0000 (UTC) |
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| "Tony.Williams@quarry.nildram.co.uk"
wrote in news:ct08ps$8ut$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu:
#
# web1000@shaw.ca wrote:
# # excuse my ignoarance but does an anti tank rifle do more than tickle
# a
# # tank? maybe damage the clear coat?
#
# Depends on the gun, depends on the tank.
#
# Most early WW2 tanks had quite thin armour which could be penetrated by
# the ATRs. As the war proceeded, tank armour thickened up and the ATRs
# gradually became ineffective. However, the Russian 14.5mm (the best of
# them) could penetrate 40mm armour at close range, which was enough to
# be a threat to the side armour of many tanks or other armoured vehicles
# well into the war, so the Russians practiced ambush techniques. I don't
# think anyone would want to sell you insurance if you had that job,
# though.
#
# TW
I wonder what a 20mm AT rifle with *modernized* ammo would do to today's
APCs and IFVs.
I suppose rifling would have to be changed to achieve higher velocities.
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