South Louisiana...below New Orleans. We had a hard freeze and I lost my
patchouli plant, it seems. Where can I get another? Or seeds..? I've
google and Ebayed. Thanks.
Perry

From:	Cereus-validus...
Subject:	Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:36:21 GMT

They are spending fourty million dollars for Dubya's inaugural balls? That
leaves absolutely no doubt that the republicans have by far the biggest
balls in the country.

Its not as though that money could have better spent on something more
deserving like education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief,
etc. The rich have their priorities.

From:	James
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:12:11 -0500

"Cereus-validus..." wrote in message
news:VAkHd.10793$Vj3.6507@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
> They are spending fourty million dollars for Dubya's inaugural balls? That
> leaves absolutely no doubt that the republicans have by far the biggest
> balls in the country.
>
> Its not as though that money could have better spent on something more
> deserving like education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief,
> etc. The rich have their priorities.
>
>

I've read this whole thread and I see there are many children here posing as
adults. For the Bush haters, rest assured the innaugaration will get almost
no positive coverage and more of the same drivel from the other kids.

From:	paghat
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:00:30 -0800

In article <4qxHd.6$yQ6.2@fe39.usenetserver.com>, "James"
wrote:

> "Cereus-validus..." wrote in message
> news:VAkHd.10793$Vj3.6507@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
> > They are spending fourty million dollars for Dubya's inaugural balls? That
> > leaves absolutely no doubt that the republicans have by far the biggest
> > balls in the country.
> >
> > Its not as though that money could have better spent on something more
> > deserving like education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief,
> > etc. The rich have their priorities.
> >
> >
>
> I've read this whole thread and I see there are many children here posing as
> adults. For the Bush haters, rest assured the innaugaration will get almost
> no positive coverage and more of the same drivel from the other kids.

But of course, nothing could be more childish than your own "You're a
baby! You're a baby!"

Personally I wouldn't rule out the possibility of children being a lot
smarter than you give them credit. Certainly I've known a few who could
launch a more convincing argument than "You're a baby!"

-paghat the ratgirl

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From:	enigma
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	20 Jan 2005 14:27:11 GMT

paghatSPAM-ME-NOT@netscape.net (paghat) wrote in
news:paghatSPAM-ME-NOT-1901051100300001@soggy72.drizzle.com:

> But of course, nothing could be more childish than your own
> "You're a baby! You're a baby!"
>
> Personally I wouldn't rule out the possibility of children
> being a lot smarter than you give them credit. Certainly
> I've known a few who could launch a more convincing
> argument than "You're a baby!"

my 4.5 year old has been telling me "there are 3 ways to
change the government: the ballot box, the jury box & the ammo
box... i choose the ammo box"
he also listened carefully to all 3 debates & his opinion was
"Stupid Bush"
he's a very bright child :)
lee

From:	Larry Blanchard
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:12:17 -0800

In article ,
enigma@empire.net says...
>
> my 4.5 year old has been telling me "there are 3 ways to
> change the government: the ballot box, the jury box & the ammo
> box... i choose the ammo box"

Bumper sticker version:

There are four boxes - soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Use in that order.

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

From:	enigma
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	20 Jan 2005 20:52:19 GMT

Larry Blanchard wrote in
news:35aaejF4k7obtU4@individual.net:

> In article ,
> enigma@empire.net says...
>>
>> my 4.5 year old has been telling me "there are 3 ways to
>> change the government: the ballot box, the jury box & the
>> ammo box... i choose the ammo box"
>
> Bumper sticker version:
>
> There are four boxes - soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Use
> in that order.

most people using the saying tend to drop the 'soapbox' & i
don't know why. i also don't know where the kid heard it in
the first place... was it on one of the NPR morning shows? he
does listen to NPR on the way to preschool.
lee

From:	Swyck at nospam.com
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:30:00 -0500

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:12:17 -0800, Larry Blanchard
wrote:
>In article ,
>enigma@empire.net says...
>>
>> my 4.5 year old has been telling me "there are 3 ways to
>> change the government: the ballot box, the jury box & the ammo
>> box... i choose the ammo box"
>
>Bumper sticker version:
>
>There are four boxes - soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Use in that order.

Meaning that if you dont get what you want, then force your will on
others any way you can. Sounds like something a 4.5 year old would
think of.

Swyck

From:	Salty Thumb
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:45:00 GMT

Swyck@nospam.com wrote in news:fif0v05k7fo9tuq8p520udhd3lk7e8279h@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:12:17 -0800, Larry Blanchard
> wrote:
>>In article ,
>>enigma@empire.net says...
>>>
>>> my 4.5 year old has been telling me "there are 3 ways to
>>> change the government: the ballot box, the jury box & the ammo box...
>>> i choose the ammo box"
>>
>>Bumper sticker version:
>>
>>There are four boxes - soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Use in that order.
>
> Meaning that if you dont get what you want, then force your will on
> others any way you can. Sounds like something a 4.5 year old would
> think of.
>
> Swyck

True, but it also sounds like George W. Bush. Not a coincidence, I think.

From:	James
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:20:01 -0500

"paghat" wrote in message
news:paghatSPAM-ME-NOT-1901051100300001@soggy72.drizzle.com...
> In article <4qxHd.6$yQ6.2@fe39.usenetserver.com>, "James"
> wrote:
>
> > "Cereus-validus..." wrote in message
> > news:VAkHd.10793$Vj3.6507@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
> > > They are spending fourty million dollars for Dubya's inaugural balls?
That
> > > leaves absolutely no doubt that the republicans have by far the
biggest
> > > balls in the country.
> > >
> > > Its not as though that money could have better spent on something more
> > > deserving like education, social security, AIDS research, disaster
relief,
> > > etc. The rich have their priorities.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I've read this whole thread and I see there are many children here
posing as
> > adults. For the Bush haters, rest assured the innaugaration will get
almost
> > no positive coverage and more of the same drivel from the other kids.
>
> But of course, nothing could be more childish than your own "You're a
> baby! You're a baby!"
>
> Personally I wouldn't rule out the possibility of children being a lot
> smarter than you give them credit. Certainly I've known a few who could
> launch a more convincing argument than "You're a baby!"
>

If you say so mouse girl

From:	paghat
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:01:46 -0800

In article ,
"Cereus-validus..." wrote:

> They are spending fourty million dollars for Dubya's inaugural balls? That
> leaves absolutely no doubt that the republicans have by far the biggest
> balls in the country.
>
> Its not as though that money could have better spent on something more
> deserving like education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief,
> etc. The rich have their priorities.

Also in the news, a survey of 20,000 individuals of many nations that
would generally be considered as America's allies, finds that the majority
of people throughout the world believe the world is a more dangerous place
because Georgie Junior was returned to office.

There was one notable exception of a country who believe the world is a
safer place thanks to Bush gaining a second term: Poland.

Thanks to Bush there have been Polish casualties in Iraq. As Poles fall,
Bush demands the Polish government hold firm, & Poles are told, "Okay,
it's your turn," & off they go, certain that Bush makes the world a safer
place.

If only this were all one big pollock joke rather than pollock fact. Now
I feel like such an ass having said that pollock jokes are racist & to
stop telling them. To make up for my error, & with minor apology to Queen
Wanda the heroic warrior queen of medieval Poland, I would like to repeat
this one:

Two pollocks were walking across a meadow when they came upon a sheep that
had its head stuck between the rails of a fence. One of the pollocks
dropped his trousers & buggered the sheep. Then he said to his brother,
"Okay, it's your turn." So the other pollock dropped his trousers & stuck
his head in the fence.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
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"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
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From:	zxcvbob
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:31:10 -0600

Cereus-validus... wrote:
> They are spending fourty million dollars for Dubya's inaugural balls? That
> leaves absolutely no doubt that the republicans have by far the biggest
> balls in the country.
>
> Its not as though that money could have better spent on something more
> deserving like education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief,
> etc. The rich have their priorities.
>
>

How much did Carter, G.H.W. Bush, Clinton, or Reagan spend? I think the
inaugural is always a big expensive blow-out, no matter whose balls they
are.

AFAIK, education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief, etc.
are being funded already, and cancelling the inaugural parties would not
make a difference. There's nothing stopping you from writing a big ol'
check and giving it to any one of these causes -- but I guess you have
your priorities.

Best regards,
Bob

From:	paghat
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:36:29 -0800

In article <35664jF4g70f8U1@individual.net>, zxcvbob
wrote:

> Cereus-validus... wrote:
> > They are spending fourty million dollars for Dubya's inaugural balls? That
> > leaves absolutely no doubt that the republicans have by far the biggest
> > balls in the country.
> >
> > Its not as though that money could have better spent on something more
> > deserving like education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief,
> > etc. The rich have their priorities.
> >
> >
>
>
> How much did Carter, G.H.W. Bush, Clinton, or Reagan spend? I think the
> inaugural is always a big expensive blow-out, no matter whose balls they
> are.

Carter's inauguration cost 3.5 million dollars. Reagan's first
inauguration cost 15 million, his second cost 20 million (& he was the
first second-term president to pay more rather than less for a second
inauguration, since the second was always formerly thought to be a little
redundant). Bush senior had the government dish out 30-million for his one
& only inauguration. Clinton's first inaguration cost 25-million; his
second inaguration cost less. Bushy Junior by comparison has so far spent
45-million for the one-day bash, & the real tally isn't even in, that 45
million is not counting millions more on police & city support that Bush
has said the impoverished city government of D.C. will have to pay for out
of its overburdened taxpayers' pockets.

Bush spent another 21-million dollars paid for by the government under the
category of "Christmas cards" which was actually a federally funded
fundraising campaign for Bush. That was probably illegal but the Democrats
are too wussy to make anything of it, & it passed largely uncriticized.
Bush had to be brow-beaten to promise so much as 15-million to tsunami
victims, but thought nothing of spendinng 21-million for christmas cards.

Second-term presidents never have had expensive inaugural events. Dumbya
needs one because he wasn't elected for his first time, he was essentially
appointed by the supreme court. This has haunted him as one of history's
handful of unelected presidents, & he needs to celebrate getting off that
small list of poor performers. Also, his car was pelted with eggs & he was
booed all along the route to the White House his first time -- he became
the only president in a century who could not make the "inaugural walk" to
the whitehouse because he was so hated & everyone knew he wasn't really
voted in, so he literally had to be slipped in the back door garage. This
time, he has established a no-free-speech zone & only supporters will be
allowed to be in the streets. He'll be able to do the inaugural walk at
last & can pretend for the rest of his life that America loves him since
the Schutzstaffeln SS, er, I mean Secret Service SS can keep him more
tightly protected from any brushes with reality.

It's also the first time costs for the inauguration have been fobbed off
on the city taxpayers of Washington D.C. itself. In the past the cost to
the city government has been reimbursed. This time Bush has instructed
that the city eat the costs, using city funds that had been earmarked for
home-security. THAT one will bite Bush in the butt, but he doesn't care,
he just wants to feel like he's been crowned the King instead of the
lame-duck president or that first-term guy who had to sneak in the back
door to the White House scared of eggs. He'll go down in history alongside
words like "quagmire" & "death-toll," but for this one day in his life he
plans to be presented as Ceasar.

> AFAIK, education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief, etc.
> are being funded already, and cancelling the inaugural parties would not
> make a difference.

Tell that to D.C. city officials who thought they had funds for police
protection & homeland security but were instructed by the feds to spend
that on balloons & blockades & police support & keeping any advocates of
free speech in a big pen far from the inaugural parade & cleaning up the
mess afterward.

> There's nothing stopping you from writing a big ol'
> check and giving it to any one of these causes -- but I guess you have
> your priorities.

Do you mean to imply your priorities are balloons & bleechers &
prohibition of expression of free speech in any location where such
expression might be seen?

-paghat the ratgirl

--
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From:	Larry Blanchard
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:43:18 -0800

In article ,
paghatSPAM-ME-NOT@netscape.net says...
> This
> time, he has established a no-free-speech zone & only supporters will be
> allowed to be in the streets. He'll be able to do the inaugural walk at
> last & can pretend for the rest of his life that America loves him since
> the Schutzstaffeln SS, er, I mean Secret Service SS can keep him more
> tightly protected from any brushes with reality.
>
I'm old enough to remember when Harry Truman dodged his SS guards and
went for unaccompanied walks :-).

But it really is the arrogance of this president that has me scared.
The other day he said that because he'd been re-elected, nobody in his
administration need answer for any mistakes they'd made concerning Iraq
(and I suspect he'd apply the same "logic" to any other issue.)

And yes, Clinton showed some of the same arrogance, but to a lesser
degree. It seems that each succeeding administration takes us closer to
an imperial presidency. And this one says he gets his orders from God.
In about five more presidencies, we may have a Nero who claims he IS
God.

There are times I'm really glad that I'm old - I'll be gone before most
of the s... hits the fan.

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

From:	escape
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:56:03 GMT

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:43:18 -0800, Larry Blanchard
opined:

(...)

>And yes, Clinton showed some of the same arrogance, but to a lesser
>degree. It seems that each succeeding administration takes us closer to
>an imperial presidency. And this one says he gets his orders from God.
>In about five more presidencies, we may have a Nero who claims he IS
>God.
>
>There are times I'm really glad that I'm old - I'll be gone before most
>of the s... hits the fan.

The thing about President Clinton is that the world loved him. Whatever he did
as the man in the oval office, the world loved him then, still do now. The
world cannot believe we re-elected the dumbard.

v

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From:	Janet Baraclough
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:27:27 GMT

The message
from paghatSPAM-ME-NOT@netscape.net (paghat) contains these words:

> he became
> the only president in a century who could not make the "inaugural walk" to
> the whitehouse because he was so hated & everyone knew he wasn't really
> voted in, so he literally had to be slipped in the back door garage. This
> time, he has established a no-free-speech zone & only supporters will be
> allowed to be in the streets.

Next thing your borders will be closed and the entire civilian
population banned from driving their car.

Janet.

From:	zxcvbob
Subject:	Re: Fourty [sic] million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:50:24 -0600

paghat wrote:

>
>>There's nothing stopping you [Cereus] from writing a big ol'
>>check and giving it to any one of these causes -- but I guess you have
>>your priorities.
>
>
> Do you mean to imply your priorities are balloons & bleechers &
> prohibition of expression of free speech in any location where such
> expression might be seen?
>
> -paghat the ratgirl
>

No, I only mean to imply that talk is cheap. It doesn't cost anything
to criticize Bush, and there is nothing stopping Cereus from giving
money to the poor if he is so concerned about them. From what I've read
of his many posts here, I'd presume to say that he couldn't care less
about them.

(A better criticism would be, "Is it appropriate to have such an
over-the-top celebration when there is a war on? Couldn't it be toned
down just a little?)

Let the Republicans have their party, just like the Democrats do when
they get the opportunity. The poor will always be there for you to help
(and have always been there.)

Best regards,
Bob

--
Ecclesiastes 3:4 "A time to weep, And a time to laugh; A time to mourn,
And a time to dance;"

From:	paghat
Subject:	Re: Fourty [sic] million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:43:52 -0800

In article <357hehF4i38scU1@individual.net>, zxcvbob
wrote:

> paghat wrote:
>
> >
> >>There's nothing stopping you [Cereus] from writing a big ol'
> >>check and giving it to any one of these causes -- but I guess you have
> >>your priorities.
> >
> >
> > Do you mean to imply your priorities are balloons & bleechers &
> > prohibition of expression of free speech in any location where such
> > expression might be seen?
> >
> > -paghat the ratgirl
> >
>
> No, I only mean to imply that talk is cheap.

Actually free speech is a right that has cost many Americans even their
lives. To go hip-hip-hoooray for a President that has criminalized a lot
of free speech through the Patriot Act, & made sure there will be no
expression of free speech in sight of the inauguration, is not simply
trying to destroy something that came cheap.

> It doesn't cost anything
> to criticize Bush, and there is nothing stopping Cereus from giving
> money to the poor if he is so concerned about them.

So, the sacking of America is okay & if anyone doesn't think so, they
should give quarters to a bum. Novel thinking.

> From what I've read
> of his many posts here, I'd presume to say that he couldn't care less
> about them.

I wouldn't know about that one way or another & wouldn't hazard to guess.
But being obnoxious for sport doesn't rule out the possibility of
humanitarian spirit.

> (A better criticism would be, "Is it appropriate to have such an
> over-the-top celebration when there is a war on? Couldn't it be toned
> down just a little?)

That's a side-issue of some significance, sure. The bigger issue is how
much bigger & freewheeling & overt does corporate purchase of the
presidential office have to get before citizens revolt & take back our
government?

-paghat the ratgirl

--
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"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
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From:	Swyck at nospam.com
Subject:	Re: Fourty [sic] million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:28:03 -0500

>> (A better criticism would be, "Is it appropriate to have such an
>> over-the-top celebration when there is a war on? Couldn't it be toned
>> down just a little?)
>
>That's a side-issue of some significance, sure. The bigger issue is how
>much bigger & freewheeling & overt does corporate purchase of the
>presidential office have to get before citizens revolt & take back our
>government?
>
>-paghat the ratgirl

The tool to take back the government is available. It's called an
election. No revolt is needed. The real question is how to get more
capable people as candidates, and how to get them elected?

Swyck

From:	Salty Thumb
Subject:	Re: Fourty [sic] million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:58:11 GMT

Swyck@nospam.com wrote in news:aomtu0pn3olniv4g1jiml2bj2vd11192e2@
4ax.com:

>>> (A better criticism would be, "Is it appropriate to have such an
>>> over-the-top celebration when there is a war on? Couldn't it be
toned
>>> down just a little?)
>>
>>That's a side-issue of some significance, sure. The bigger issue is how
>>much bigger & freewheeling & overt does corporate purchase of the
>>presidential office have to get before citizens revolt & take back our
>>government?
>>
>>-paghat the ratgirl
>
> The tool to take back the government is available. It's called an
> election. No revolt is needed. The real question is how to get more
> capable people as candidates, and how to get them elected?
>
> Swyck
>

You are of course assuming that the elections results are fair and
correct. As many "crazy" liberal Americans will tell you, they are not,
and more than a few "sane" conservative Washington State residents will
agree. Besides it's more American to throw a Tea Party.

From:	Cereus-validus...
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:56:29 GMT

Not so Bobo.

You have not been paying attention to the news.

This is by far the most expensive presidential inauguration of all time.
All other previous presidents would have been ashamed to so selfish as to
waste that much money on themselves. Only three million is out of taxpayers
coffers. All the rest is from private donations from the rich and special
interests who want nothing more than favors in return. There is no doubt
that this presidency is for sale and they don't care who knows it.

"zxcvbob" wrote in message
news:35664jF4g70f8U1@individual.net...
> Cereus-validus... wrote:
>> They are spending fourty million dollars for Dubya's inaugural balls?
>> That leaves absolutely no doubt that the republicans have by far the
>> biggest balls in the country.
>>
>> Its not as though that money could have better spent on something more
>> deserving like education, social security, AIDS research, disaster
>> relief, etc. The rich have their priorities.
>
>
> How much did Carter, G.H.W. Bush, Clinton, or Reagan spend? I think the
> inaugural is always a big expensive blow-out, no matter whose balls they
> are.
>
> AFAIK, education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief, etc.
> are being funded already, and cancelling the inaugural parties would not
> make a difference. There's nothing stopping you from writing a big ol'
> check and giving it to any one of these causes -- but I guess you have
> your priorities.
>
> Best regards,
> Bob
>
>

From:	Tom Jaszewski
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:03:04 -0800

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:56:29 GMT, "Cereus-validus..."
wrote:

>Not so Bobo.
>
>You have not been paying attention to the news.

Rectal cranial inversions and not paying attention....isn't that how
we got the BUCK FUSH bumper stickers?

From:	Swyck at nospam.com
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:44:19 -0500

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:56:29 GMT, "Cereus-validus..."
wrote:

>Not so Bobo.
>
>You have not been paying attention to the news.
>
>This is by far the most expensive presidential inauguration of all time.
>All other previous presidents would have been ashamed to so selfish as to
>waste that much money on themselves. Only three million is out of taxpayers
>coffers. All the rest is from private donations from the rich and special
>interests who want nothing more than favors in return. There is no doubt
>that this presidency is for sale and they don't care who knows it.
>
What message did Clinton send in '93 when he spent ONLY 33 million
dollars on his inauguration? Not exactly being frugal or saving money
for other priorities is it? Was that presidency for sale then too but
just marked down? I guess the 30 mil in '97 was a real bargain.

It's all a needless waste of money as far as I'm concerned. However,
a little accounting shows that this comes out to about 14 cents per
citizen, so its really not all that much to get bent out of shape over
compared to all the other needless waste. You couldn't buy many
Yankees starting pitchers for that kind of money.

Go ahead and single out Bush as your personal anti-christ, but he's no
worse then the others.

>
>"zxcvbob" wrote in message
>news:35664jF4g70f8U1@individual.net...
>> Cereus-validus... wrote:
>>> They are spending fourty million dollars for Dubya's inaugural balls?
>>> That leaves absolutely no doubt that the republicans have by far the
>>> biggest balls in the country.
>>>
>>> Its not as though that money could have better spent on something more
>>> deserving like education, social security, AIDS research, disaster
>>> relief, etc. The rich have their priorities.
>>
>> How much did Carter, G.H.W. Bush, Clinton, or Reagan spend? I think the
>> inaugural is always a big expensive blow-out, no matter whose balls they
>> are.
>>
>> AFAIK, education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief, etc.
>> are being funded already, and cancelling the inaugural parties would not
>> make a difference. There's nothing stopping you from writing a big ol'
>> check and giving it to any one of these causes -- but I guess you have
>> your priorities.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Bob

Swyck

From:	Joe Stead
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	21 Jan 2005 01:42:22 GMT

Snip

>Go ahead and single out Bush as your personal anti-christ, but he's no
>worse then the others.

I don't know -- they hired Tony Orlando. I guess he needs the work.

From:	Swyck at nospam.com
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:19:29 -0500

On 21 Jan 2005 01:42:22 GMT, joestead@aol.com (Joe Stead) wrote:
>
>>Go ahead and single out Bush as your personal anti-christ, but he's no
>>worse then the others.
>
>I don't know -- they hired Tony Orlando. I guess he needs the work.

Now they're playing dirty. That's sure to keep everyone away, both
liberal and conservative.

Maybe Bush is sending a message? "Knock three times on the ceiling if
you want me....."

Swyck

From:	paghat
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:36:33 -0800

In article , Swyck@nospam.com wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:56:29 GMT, "Cereus-validus..."
> wrote:
>
> >Not so Bobo.
> >
> >You have not been paying attention to the news.
> >
> >This is by far the most expensive presidential inauguration of all time.
> >All other previous presidents would have been ashamed to so selfish as to
> >waste that much money on themselves. Only three million is out of taxpayers
> >coffers. All the rest is from private donations from the rich and special
> >interests who want nothing more than favors in return. There is no doubt
> >that this presidency is for sale and they don't care who knows it.
> >
> What message did Clinton send in '93 when he spent ONLY 33 million
> dollars on his inauguration?

Actually, Clinton spent 25 million on his, & that included picking up the
tab for D.C.'s city costs, which Bush is refusing to do with any of his 45
million. But Cllnton's fund-raising to get corporations & lobbyists to pay
for it netted 33 million, so it was a profitable inauguration. The
message, of course, was the same for Clinton as for Bush: The president
can be bought.

This kind of corporate buy-in is bad news for America whether it's done by
a warmongering Republican or a cave-in-to-Republican-demands weak-kneed &
continuously besieged Democrat. Of all things bad that any president has
ever been, Bush is always in-your-face fuck-america worse. He acts proud
to be worse even as he arranges for thousands more to die & for his
corporate buddies to continue to profit from human death. He shows neither
shame nor restraint as he laughs & parties on the graves of American as
well as foreign dead.

Bush's inauguration is the first to exclude all common citizens. If you
didn't pay & pay dearly, you can't even be on the street. It's a big party
for corporate interests, not for the sort of common citizens who're
appreciated mainly as cannon fodder.

-paghat the ratgirl

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From:	Swyck at nospam.com
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:09:50 -0500

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:36:33 -0800, paghatSPAM-ME-NOT@netscape.net
(paghat) wrote:
>In article , Swyck@nospam.com wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:56:29 GMT, "Cereus-validus..."
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Not so Bobo.
>> >
>> >You have not been paying attention to the news.
>> >
>> >This is by far the most expensive presidential inauguration of all time.
>> >All other previous presidents would have been ashamed to so selfish as to
>> >waste that much money on themselves. Only three million is out of taxpayers
>> >coffers. All the rest is from private donations from the rich and special
>> >interests who want nothing more than favors in return. There is no doubt
>> >that this presidency is for sale and they don't care who knows it.
>> >
>> What message did Clinton send in '93 when he spent ONLY 33 million
>> dollars on his inauguration?
>
>Actually, Clinton spent 25 million on his, & that included picking up the
>tab for D.C.'s city costs, which Bush is refusing to do with any of his 45
>million. But Cllnton's fund-raising to get corporations & lobbyists to pay
>for it netted 33 million, so it was a profitable inauguration. The
>message, of course, was the same for Clinton as for Bush: The president
>can be bought.
>
>This kind of corporate buy-in is bad news for America whether it's done by
>a warmongering Republican or a cave-in-to-Republican-demands weak-kneed &
>continuously besieged Democrat. Of all things bad that any president has
>ever been, Bush is always in-your-face fuck-america worse. He acts proud
>to be worse even as he arranges for thousands more to die & for his
>corporate buddies to continue to profit from human death. He shows neither
>shame nor restraint as he laughs & parties on the graves of American as
>well as foreign dead.
>
If he doesn't think he's wrong then why would he show shame?

>Bush's inauguration is the first to exclude all common citizens. If you
>didn't pay & pay dearly, you can't even be on the street. It's a big party
>for corporate interests, not for the sort of common citizens who're
>appreciated mainly as cannon fodder.
>
>-paghat the ratgirl

Well, let em sit in the cold, I didn't want to go anyway.

The real message is to do a better job of choosing candidates. At the
presidential level its already too late. You don't get there unless
you've played the game for years on end.

Swyck

From:	Tom Jaszewski
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:05:41 -0800

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:44:19 -0500, Swyck@nospam.com wrote:

>Go ahead and single out Bush as your personal anti-christ, but he's no
>worse then the others.

Now there's a reason to have voted for him!

From:	IntarsiaCo
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	19 Jan 2005 14:46:16 GMT

Whining soreloser, heh.

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/inaug2004/inaugfin.html

From:	Phisherman
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:53:55 GMT

Don't blame me. I voted against the Shrub two times and lost. Shame
on the Democratic party for not having a better candidate. The
Tsunami hero, Judd Bush, may be next in the White House? Spend,
spend, spend.

From:	paghat
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:19:20 -0800

In article , nobody@noone.com wrote:

> Shame
> on the Democratic party for not having a better candidate.

Yup.

> The
> Tsunami hero, Judd Bush, may be next in the White House? Spend,
> spend, spend.

I think you've confused Ashley Judd's bush with Jeb Bush. If you're not
confused, then hey, I'm with you, I'd vote for Judd's bush before Jeb any
day.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
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From:	Salty Thumb
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:58:12 GMT

paghatSPAM-ME-NOT@netscape.net (paghat) wrote in
news:paghatSPAM-ME-NOT-1901051319200001@soggy72.drizzle.com:

> In article ,
> nobody@noone.com wrote:
>
>> Shame
>> on the Democratic party for not having a better candidate.
>
> Yup.
>
>> The
>> Tsunami hero, Judd Bush, may be next in the White House? Spend,
>> spend, spend.
>
> I think you've confused Ashley Judd's bush with Jeb Bush. If you're
> not confused, then hey, I'm with you, I'd vote for Judd's bush before
> Jeb any day.
>
> -paghat the ratgirl
>

The candidate who could really get the 18-50 yo male demographic out to
vote is Juggs Bush.

From:	Bill
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:29:20 -0800

In article ,
nobody@noone.com says...
> Don't blame me. I voted against the Shrub two times and lost. Shame
> on the Democratic party for not having a better candidate.
>

You hit the nail right on the head. What the Dems need is another
Paul Tsongas.

Bill

From:	escape
Subject:	Re: Fourty million dollars for Dubya inauguration
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:40:01 GMT

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:36:21 GMT, "Cereus-validus..."
opined:

>They are spending fourty million dollars for Dubya's inaugural balls? That
>leaves absolutely no doubt that the republicans have by far the biggest
>balls in the country.
>
>Its not as though that money could have better spent on something more
>deserving like education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief,
>etc. The rich have their priorities.
>

....and the beat goes on. Let's see if they show the crowds of protesting people
who will be lining the streets. They didn't show them during the first
unimaginable party 4 years ago.

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