I posted a message here yesterday and checked today if I got a response. There
were none...SO, I went to Google Group and found that 2 other persons did
indeed respond...then why aren't they shown here?

From:	Ann
Subject:	Re: A ? about this newsgroup
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:15:29 -0500

wishy13764@aol.com (Wishy13764) expounded:

>I posted a message here yesterday and checked today if I got a response. There
>were none...SO, I went to Google Group and found that 2 other persons did
>indeed respond...then why aren't they shown here?

I get my newsfeed from Newsguy.com. For your (and other AOLers) info
I'm posting this below:

>We know that AOL members are very loyal to their service, but we also know that
>AOL Usenet feed data has dropped to a trickle of what it once was, while Usenet
>has doubled in size during the past 9 months, and AOL plans to terminate Usenet
>coverage early this year.
>
>We'd be glad to have these folks join us at NewsGuy; either stand alone Usenet
>or All-In-One Internet Access & Usenet. Basic NewsGuy is $5.95/month or
>$39.95/year. All-In-One Hi-Speed Dialup is $9.95/month or $79.95/year. We will
>provide a free month of service regardless the term of paid subscription and
>referral credits apply to recommending friends.
>
>This offer isn't available on the web site. AOL members can sign up by calling
>1-866-4USENET (1-866-487-3638), we will ask referral information as we receive
>these call to make sure you are credited.

Remember if you call them who you heard this from
There's no money in it for me, just contest points.

Newsguy is a great company to deal with, their customer support is
superb; and if you're a usenet junkie like I am a dependable newsfeed
is essential!
--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

From:	Tom Randy
Subject:	Re: A ? about this newsgroup
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:44:41 GMT

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:46:35 +0000, Wishy13764 wrote:

> I posted a message here yesterday and checked today if I got a response. There
> were none...SO, I went to Google Group and found that 2 other persons did
> indeed respond...then why aren't they shown here?

You're on AOL. They may purge their crappy servers frequently. AOL truely
blows chunks.

From:	Cereus-validus...
Subject:	Re: A ? about this newsgroup
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:30:08 GMT

Big brother at AOL is screening your postings and they are feeding into your
paranoia that everyone is out to get you!!!

"Wishy13764" wrote in message
news:20050118194635.08440.00000115@mb-m06.aol.com...
>I posted a message here yesterday and checked today if I got a response.
>There
> were none...SO, I went to Google Group and found that 2 other persons did
> indeed respond...then why aren't they shown here?

From:	Jim Carlock
Subject:	Re: A ? about this newsgroup
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:01:44 GMT

"Cereus-validus..." explained:
> Big brother at AOL is screening your postings and they are
> feeding into your paranoia that everyone is out to get you!!!

LOL

Most likely the problem is with a newsreading server, or with
newsreading software.

It goes like this...

News reader checks lowcount and then checks highcount.
News reader tries to grab every number (message) in between
the low-count and high-count numbers.
Now here's where the flaw comes in... I haven't found client
software yet, that has an option to rescan missed messages.
The servers seem to do it, but the client software does not. If
the message is missed, the client software (ie, Outlook Express
or ThunderBird) tags the message as NON-EXISTANT and
never attempts to grab the software again.

I couldn't identify if there was client software involved, but if
it is AOL software (ie, the AOL web-browser), clearing the
cache may help with that problem. For the folks using news
reader software (Outlook, Outlook Express, Thunderbird,
et al) the problem is more insidious and while it is just as
easy to correct, it usually isn't worth the time to download
all the messages again.

One other problem with news-reader software, occurs
when a message is posted and the server knows the msg
exists but the server hasn't formally posted the message
yet, and in turn it sends a DOESN'T EXIST code to the
client and the client never again attempts to retrieve the
message. This happens quite often with "recently" posted
messages and is DUE to the fact that the client software
(Outlook, Outlook Express, Thunderbird, et al) do NOT
have a "REATTEMPT MISSING MESSAGES" flag.

Hope that helps.

--
Jim Carlock
Post replies to newsgroup.

"Wishy13764" mentioned:
> I posted a message here yesterday and checked today if I
> got a response.
> There were none...
> SO, I went to Google Group and found that 2 other
> persons did indeed respond... then why aren't they shown
> here?

From:	felderbush001 at yahoo.com
Subject:	Re: A ? about this newsgroup
Date:	19 Jan 2005 16:49:54 -0800

I'd say it's your internet service provider (regardless of AOL or not).
Assuming you're reading this group via your isp's news-server. Many
isp's have poor retention on their news-servers resulting in newsgroup
messages being dropped. You can get access to good news-servers with
excellent retention, but there is a monthly fee for the service. So, if
you want to see all the messages in a group, it's probably best to go
to a place like Google Groups.

-Felder

From:	Salty Thumb
Subject:	Re: A ? about this newsgroup
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:21:06 GMT

felderbush001@yahoo.com wrote in news:1106182194.623285.27680
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

>
> I'd say it's your internet service provider (regardless of AOL or not).
> Assuming you're reading this group via your isp's news-server. Many
> isp's have poor retention on their news-servers resulting in newsgroup
> messages being dropped. You can get access to good news-servers with
> excellent retention, but there is a monthly fee for the service. So, if
> you want to see all the messages in a group, it's probably best to go
> to a place like Google Groups.
>
> -Felder

Any ISP that has less than 1 day retention on a text group has really got
to be piss poor or doing it intentionally as someone else suggested.

Google lists a little over 15,000 groups (all I assume non-binary), and a
piddling 40 GB hard drive holds 40000000 kilobytes. Assuming an ISP
carries every google group and every article is 4 KB (including headers),
and ignoring directory overhead that leaves an evil average of 666
messages per group, which will get you back about 19 days this admittedly
slow month in rec.gardens. If you cut that by 2/3 to 444 to account for
longer messages and compensate for some of the directory overheads (maybe
100 bytes per message), it will still get you back 10 days. Going back
100 messages (arbitrary) will still get you back to the 17th (as of right
now)

Going back 100 on rec.art.disney.parks which google currently lists as
2nd in the high activity list (whatever that means, rec.radio.cb ranked
first not carried by Verizon) will only get you back 20 hours, 444 will
put you on the 16th and 666 will put you at on the 14th.

(Any ISP mixing binary and non-binary retention will also have be by
default piss poor, although I'm not sure that AOL carries binaries at
all.)

From:	Janet Baraclough
Subject:	Re: A ? about this newsgroup
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:01:11 GMT

The message <1106182194.623285.27680@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
from felderbush001@yahoo.com contains these words:

> I'd say it's your internet service provider (regardless of AOL or not).
> Assuming you're reading this group via your isp's news-server.

Using a good newsreader, you wouldn't have to assume; you could click
open the full headers on anyone's post and see for yourself.

Many
> isp's have poor retention on their news-servers resulting in newsgroup
> messages being dropped. You can get access to good news-servers with
> excellent retention, but there is a monthly fee for the service.

That's misleading. I use an isp which provides a superb newsreader
free of charge. If it didn't, I'd use one of the excellent free
newsreaders available to anyone on the net.

So, if
> you want to see all the messages in a group, it's probably best to go
> to a place like Google Groups.

Misleading again; google does not store a complete copy of all posts
to a group. Many usenetters prefer not to be archived, and auto-tag
their posts accordingly ("x-no-archive"). The old version of google
never showed those posts at all. The new version which launched
recently, displays them for a couple of days only. You could read this
post on google today; by next week it will have been deleted from
google. My newsreader will retain yours for as many days/weeks/months as
I choose.I'm using an auto set for that but can instantly over-ride it
if there's a post I want to dump instantly/treeasure for ever.

The other disadvantages of google/groups are that users have to be
online to read it, (I pay for a dial-up connection so want an offline
newsreader), you don't get any choice about how threads/posts are
ordered and organised ( you do with a good newsreader), and
google/groups are cluttered up with a load of dross and troll rubbish
from posters you can't killfile.

Janet.

From:	Salty Thumb
Subject:	Re: A ? about this newsgroup
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:37:22 GMT

wishy13764@aol.com (Wishy13764) wrote in
news:20050118194635.08440.00000115@mb-m06.aol.com:

> I posted a message here yesterday and checked today if I got a
> response. There were none...SO, I went to Google Group and found that
> 2 other persons did indeed respond...then why aren't they shown here?

Well since both you and Iris are on AOL, assuming it wasn't a
transdimensional alien that likes to eat AOL messages, probably you just
missed the headers (meaning either you missed them missed them, your
newsreader missed them, or sneaky gremlins masquerading as you, your SO or
children read the replies causing them to be marked as read and making you
miss them).

Also could be AOL server farm communications has problems with software
mealy bugs.

From:	Ann
Subject:	Re: A ? about this newsgroup
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:38:20 -0500

wishy13764@aol.com (Wishy13764) expounded:

>I posted a message here yesterday and checked today if I got a response. There
>were none...SO, I went to Google Group and found that 2 other persons did
>indeed respond...then why aren't they shown here?

Wishy, if you're using the AOL newsfeed, that's why. It's notoriously
bad, has been for as long as I can remember.

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

From:	Timothy
Subject:	Re: A ? about this newsgroup
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:12:16 -0800

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:38:20 -0500, Ann wrote:

> wishy13764@aol.com (Wishy13764) expounded:
>
>>I posted a message here yesterday and checked today if I got a response.
>>There were none...SO, I went to Google Group and found that 2 other
>>persons did indeed respond...then why aren't they shown here?
>
> Wishy, if you're using the AOL newsfeed, that's why. It's notoriously
> bad, has been for as long as I can remember.

As everyone else has said, AOL's server's are very poor. But in this case,
you can have your cake and eat it too.

I'd suggest that you dump the aol servers all together and sign up for a
free account with a different provider. Here's a list of good providers:

Freie University in Berlin
news.individual.de
http://www.individual.net/
Great provider!

http://www.readfreenews.com/
Read this page before you try to connect to the server. The server runs on
a non-standard port.

free.teranews
http://teranews.com/createaccount.html
They charge a one time set up fee (4 dollars). I've had an account for two
years with no problem. They offer full usenet access with a limit of 50
megabyte limit per day.

Bubbanews
https://secure.usenetbilling.com/newbilling/manageaccount.cgi
This is really part of teranews. The sign-up is free, but they use a
credit card to verify your id. They do this due to the spammers that abuse
the system. They also have a 50 meg limit per day.

--
Yard Works Gardening Co.
http://www.ywgc.com

From:	Aunty Kreist
Subject:	Re: A ? about this newsgroup
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:21:22 -0500

"Wishy13764" wrote in message
news:20050118194635.08440.00000115@mb-m06.aol.com...
> I posted a message here yesterday and checked today if I got a response.
There
> were none...SO, I went to Google Group and found that 2 other persons did
> indeed respond...then why aren't they shown here?

AOL has been dropping posts left and right. I've complained to their
technical center no less than five times about this, to no avail. About only
1/3 of the posts are showing up on AOL's newsreader. My opinion is that they
are trying to forcefully faze out Usenet, and make users rely on their
crappy message boards.

Do you have Outlook Express? My advice would be to download a news client at
news.individual.net. It's free, and comes with super easy installation
instructions. I love it! Haven't had a single problem yet.

From:	Iris Cohen
Subject:	Re: A ? about this newsgroup
Date:	20 Jan 2005 14:18:56 GMT

<< AOL has been dropping posts left and right. I've complained to their
technical center no less than five times about this, to no avail. About only
1/3 of the posts are showing up on AOL's newsreader. >>

I have the same problem. We may drop AOL when my husband gets Verizon DSL
installed.

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"A tree never hits an automobile except in self defense." - Woody Allen

From:	Cheryl Isaak
Subject:	Re: A ? about this newsgroup
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:28:42 -0500

On 1/18/05 7:46 PM, in article 20050118194635.08440.00000115@mb-m06.aol.com,
"Wishy13764" wrote:

> I posted a message here yesterday and checked today if I got a response. There
> were none...SO, I went to Google Group and found that 2 other persons did
> indeed respond...then why aren't they shown here?

You may want to check that you are reading newsgroups unthreaded.

Cheryl