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 | | From: | cindi | | Subject: | Re: Is this a "wild type" bay? | | Date: | 22 Jan 2005 20:54:35 -0800 |
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> As I understand it, buckskins have as much black on their legs as do
bays.
> The cream gene doesn't affect the black pigment, yes? If true, why
then
> does that horse have practically not black on the legs?
This horse is a buckskin. A buckskin is a horse with one cream allele,
at least one black allele, and at least one of the three types of
agouti alleles. The three types are bay, seal, and wild type bay.
There is also a fourth allele possible at the agouti locus: non-agouti.
(A horse with at least one black allele and just one cream allele but
the non-agouti allele at the agouti locus is called a smoky black and
is not obvious from phenotype alone.) This particular horse has the
wild type bay allele, at least one, which is why the black on his legs
is so sparse.
In contrast, I own a horse who is buckskin with the seal allele.
http://www.allisonacres.com/spirit.html.
The "normal" buckskins have the regular bay allele, and as such, much
blacker legs. The "downhill" example you posted recently is a buckskin
who has at least one regular bay allele.
For wild type bays who don't also have a cream allele, see
http://www.allisonacres.com/viejo.html
Also http://unitedpegasus.com/PMUMaresFoalsGalt.html, the first one on
the upper left of the page.
Regular bay: http://www.allisonacres.com/jewel.html
cindi
http://www.allisonacres.com
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| | From: | WhinPine | | Subject: | Re: Is this a "wild type" bay? | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:46:03 -0800 |
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"cindi" wrote in message
news:1106456075.941915.263780@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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A buckskin is a horse with one cream allele,
> at least one black allele, and at least one of the three types of
> agouti alleles. The three types are bay, seal, and wild type bay.
> There is also a fourth allele possible at the agouti locus: non-agouti.
> (A horse with at least one black allele and just one cream allele but
> the non-agouti allele at the agouti locus is called a smoky black and
> is not obvious from phenotype alone.) This particular horse has the
> wild type bay allele, at least one, which is why the black on his legs
> is so sparse.
>
Hi Cindi,
If I bred a chestnut mare to a golden buckskin stallion that is homozygous
black, what kind of colors could the offspring have? I'm told that
chestnut/sorrel would not be possible. Would that rule out palomino too?
The stallion's sire was a blue roan with several roans in the sire's dam's
line. The sire's sire line is mostly browns and bays. The stallion's dam
was buckskin with bays, browns, and chestnuts/sorrels in her line. One lone
dun as a great granddam (her parents were gray and grullo)..
TIA,
Amy
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| | From: | lizzard woman | | Subject: | Re: Is this a "wild type" bay? | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:02:14 GMT |
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"cindi" wrote in message
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| > As I understand it, buckskins have as much black on their legs as do
| bays.
| > The cream gene doesn't affect the black pigment, yes? If true, why
| then
| > does that horse have practically not black on the legs?
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| This horse is a buckskin. A buckskin is a horse with one cream allele,
| at least one black allele, and at least one of the three types of
| agouti alleles. The three types are bay, seal, and wild type bay.
| There is also a fourth allele possible at the agouti locus: non-agouti.
| (A horse with at least one black allele and just one cream allele but
| the non-agouti allele at the agouti locus is called a smoky black and
| is not obvious from phenotype alone.) This particular horse has the
| wild type bay allele, at least one, which is why the black on his legs
| is so sparse.
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| In contrast, I own a horse who is buckskin with the seal allele.
| http://www.allisonacres.com/spirit.html.
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| The "normal" buckskins have the regular bay allele, and as such, much
| blacker legs. The "downhill" example you posted recently is a buckskin
| who has at least one regular bay allele.
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| For wild type bays who don't also have a cream allele, see
| http://www.allisonacres.com/viejo.html
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| Also http://unitedpegasus.com/PMUMaresFoalsGalt.html, the first one on
| the upper left of the page.
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| Regular bay: http://www.allisonacres.com/jewel.html
Okay I think I understand that. Thanks.
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love,
la mangosteena
"The United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian
Religion" -- Treaty of Tripoli, 1797, ratified by Congress
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