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From:	wkambic at vic.com
Subject:	Re: Men vs. Women Handlers
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:54:05 -0500

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:57:22 -0700, "Ray Keller"
wrote:

>http://www.thehorse.com/viewarticle.aspx?ID=5332

Interesting. I'm sure there are defineable gender based differences
that can be identified. But, after you have done so, will there be a
point?

Isn't it interesting that virtually ALL of the "big name" NH gurus are
men? And that the vast majority of their followers are women? I
wonder what what signifies? ;-)

Bill Kambic

From:	Jim Casey
Subject:	Re: Men vs. Women Handlers
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:42:51 -0600

wkambic@vic.com wrote:

> Isn't it interesting that virtually ALL of the "big name" NH gurus are
> men? And that the vast majority of their followers are women?

Most cult leaders and hucksters (con men) are men, but I don't know why.

A case could be made that men are more likely to have inherent
leadership ability, but I'm not going to try to make it.

- Jim

From:	Eileen Morgan
Subject:	Re: Men vs. Women Handlers
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:57:56 GMT

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:42:51 -0600, Jim Casey
wrote:

>wkambic@vic.com wrote:
>
>> Isn't it interesting that virtually ALL of the "big name" NH gurus are
>> men? And that the vast majority of their followers are women?
>
>Most cult leaders and hucksters (con men) are men, but I don't know why.
>
>A case could be made that men are more likely to have inherent
>leadership ability, but I'm not going to try to make it.

I think we could most of us agree that, in general, men tend to be
more competitive than women and less likely to take satisfaction in
activity which has no clear cut goal/reward. Think Terry/Tom here, for
instance, when it comes to horse use. Obviously this is only trends,
as plenty of women are highly compeitive and plenty of men are laid
back.

In the USA in the English riding world, men are so outnumbered that I
often think that those who get into it tend to be really into it,
enough to buck the sterotypes, and more likely therefore to make it a
career. In other words, if boys go for ponies over motorbikes and
stick to it through puberty, they are more likely to go all the way
than a girl who gets and stays interested in horses; she would be
following rather than fighting a sterotype.

Eileen Morgan
The Mare's Nest

From:	jJohn Klausner
Subject:	Re: Men vs. Women Handlers
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:07:25 -0800

wkambic@vic.com wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:57:22 -0700, "Ray Keller"
> wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.thehorse.com/viewarticle.aspx?ID=5332
>
>
> Interesting. I'm sure there are defineable gender based differences
> that can be identified. But, after you have done so, will there be a
> point?
>
> Isn't it interesting that virtually ALL of the "big name" NH gurus are
> men? And that the vast majority of their followers are women? I
> wonder what what signifies? ;-)
>
> Bill Kambic
>

And that the majority of professional trainers are men, but very few
boys are in any of the shows? Where do they come from? Spring forth
fully trained at 21?
SueK

From:	Tamara in TN
Subject:	Re: Men vs. Women Handlers
Date:	20 Jan 2005 09:37:17 -0800

Ignatzmom wrote:

>
> I think I remember this one -- the idea was to tie the stud down
(throw
> him on the ground) and then urinate on him to show dominance.

there is a padded walker trainer in Cali reported to do the same
thing...but he does it on the raw legs...

Tamara in TN

From:	Ignatzmom
Subject:	Re: Men vs. Women Handlers
Date:	20 Jan 2005 09:29:18 -0800

law wrote:
> Francis Burton wrote:
>
> > In article <41ef3a37$0$29450$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net>,
> > Ray Keller wrote:
> >
> >>http://www.thehorse.com/viewarticle.aspx?ID=5332
> >
> >
> > "We all agreed that the guy's method sounded weird and disgusting."
> > referring to another article which is only accessible to
subscriber.
> >
> > What was the method?

I think I remember this one -- the idea was to tie the stud down (throw
him on the ground) and then urinate on him to show dominance. BARF )
think this is something only a male could do conveniently.

Lee Z -- not wanting to go there, even mentally!

Oh, PS -- there are the "elf sisters of the North" who are gurus of a
sort on the female side, aren't there?

From:	Francis Burton
Subject:	Re: Men vs. Women Handlers
Date:	20 Jan 2005 07:16:02 -0700

In article <41ef3a37$0$29450$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net>,
Ray Keller wrote:
>http://www.thehorse.com/viewarticle.aspx?ID=5332

"We all agreed that the guy's method sounded weird and disgusting."
referring to another article which is only accessible to subscriber.

What was the method?

Francis

From:	law
Subject:	Re: Men vs. Women Handlers
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:35:17 GMT

Francis Burton wrote:

> In article <41ef3a37$0$29450$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net>,
> Ray Keller wrote:
>
>>http://www.thehorse.com/viewarticle.aspx?ID=5332
>
>
> "We all agreed that the guy's method sounded weird and disgusting."
> referring to another article which is only accessible to subscriber.
>
> What was the method?

"weird and disgusting" Hmmmm, are you sure you'd want that picture in
your brain?

LisaW
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