From:	Marc_Krämer
Subject:	problems_with_ä,ö,ü_in_mail_" =?iso-8859-1?Q?to=22_since_7=2E60TP4?=
Date:	Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:57:27 +0100

Hi,
since Opera 7.60TP4 there is a problem with the "to"-header. if i write to
someone in my contacts list containing any of the so called umlauts opera
sets the to header i.e. to "iesg--Schfer-dua, Jan ".
if i send this message i get an error-reply.

does anyone know why opera do so?
btw. my mail enconding is set to 8859-15. and it is the same problem with
the new opera 8 beta.

thx
Marc

From:	Markus Liebelt
Subject:	Re: problems_with_ä,ö,ü_in_mail_"to" =?iso-8859-1?Q?_since_7.60TP4?=
Date:	Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:47:18 +0100

Hello Marc,

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:57:27 +0100, Marc Krämer wrote:

> Hi,
> since Opera 7.60TP4 there is a problem with the "to"-header. if i write
> to someone in my contacts list containing any of the so called umlauts
> opera sets the to header i.e. to "iesg--Schfer-dua, Jan ".
> if i send this message i get an error-reply.

I have the same problem, but additionally the problem that the names with
umlauts are not quoted as are the other names.

Eg. when getting email from:

From: Mats Löh

and replying to it, it will result in:

To: Mats Löh

not as expected

To: "Mats Löh"

This is in version 7.56, and in version 7.6p4

> does anyone know why opera do so?
> btw. my mail enconding is set to 8859-15. and it is the same problem
> with the new opera 8 beta.
>
> thx
> Marc

Bye
Markus

From:	Tim Altman
Subject:	Re: problems with ä,ö,ü in mail "to" since 7.60TP4
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:46:07 +0100

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:57:27 +0100, Marc Krämer
wrote:

>Hi,
>since Opera 7.60TP4 there is a problem with the "to"-header. if i write to
>someone in my contacts list containing any of the so called umlauts opera
>sets the to header i.e. to "iesg--Schfer-dua, Jan ".
>if i send this message i get an error-reply.

Can you post the raw headers here? Go to your Sent view, find
one of these messages, press 'c' while it's highlighted in the message
view to copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into a post.
The offending header should be unquoted and QP-encoded.

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Core QA
Opera Software

From:	Marc_KrÃ¤mer
Subject:	Re: problems_with_Ã¤, =?utf-8?Q?=C3=B6=2C=C3=BC_in_mail_=22to=22_since_7?= =?utf-8?Q?=2E60TP4?=
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:31:06 +0100

Hi,
the headers are:
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:26:30 +0100
To: iesg--schfer-dua, jan
Subject: test
From: =?utf-8?Q?Marc_Kr=C3=A4mer?=
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Message-ID:
User-Agent: Opera M2(BETA1)/8.00 (Linux, build 913)

test2

> On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:57:27 +0100, Marc KrÃ¤mer
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> since Opera 7.60TP4 there is a problem with the "to"-header. if i write
>> to
>> someone in my contacts list containing any of the so called umlauts
>> opera
>> sets the to header i.e. to "iesg--Schfer-dua, Jan ".
>> if i send this message i get an error-reply.
>
> Can you post the raw headers here? Go to your Sent view, find
> one of these messages, press 'c' while it's highlighted in the message
> view to copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into a post.
> The offending header should be unquoted and QP-encoded.
>

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From:	Zak McKracken
Subject:	Re: problems_with_ä,ö,ü_in_mail_"to" =?iso-8859-15?Q?_since_7.60TP4?=
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:20:42 +0100

I've a similar problem (though not necessarily Operas fault):

I sometimes get Mail f=FCr several recipients, from someone who uses an =
=

Outlook adress book. Usually, names in the "to" or "from" section are in=
=

"quotation marks", since they are not part of the mail adress. Exception=
: =

If the names contain =E4,=F6,=FC,=DF! In that case the adress that would=
usually be
"M=FCller, Heike"
reads
M=FCller, Heike

If I then answer to this mail, the komma is interpretet as a separator a=
nd =

the answer is ssent to the assumed email adress "m=FCller", which is tur=
ned =

into the well-known "iesg--mller....blabla"
Interestingly, if I pick a name containing =E4,=F6,=FC,=DF and a comma f=
rom my =

adress book and send a mail there, Opera puts Qutation marks around the =
=

name, and all is fine. If I get a mail containing the same name and =

adress, I can't answer properly without hand-editing the adress (quite =

annoying if there are 20 of them, 4 of which need to be found and edited=
).

I think it's probably Outlooks Job to put the quotation marks where they=
=

belong, but Outlook-Outlook-correspondence seems to work fine, =

nevertheless. -- so maybe Opera could detect such missing quotation mark=
s =

and insert them? Would really make things easier!

Thanks,

Zak

From:	Steven V. Gunhouse
Subject:	Re: problems_with_ä,ö,ü_in_mail_" =?iso-8859-15?Q?to=22_since_7=2E60TP4?=
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:49:21 GMT

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:31:06 +0100, Marc Krämer wrote:

> Hi,
> the headers are:
> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:26:30 +0100
> To: iesg--schfer-dua, jan
> Subject: test
> From: =?utf-8?Q?Marc_Kr=C3=A4mer?=
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> Message-ID:
> User-Agent: Opera M2(BETA1)/8.00 (Linux, build 913)
>
> test2
>
>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:57:27 +0100, Marc Krämer
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> since Opera 7.60TP4 there is a problem with the "to"-header. if i
>>> write to
>>> someone in my contacts list containing any of the so called umlauts
>>> opera
>>> sets the to header i.e. to "iesg--Schfer-dua, Jan ".
>>> if i send this message i get an error-reply.
>>
>> Can you post the raw headers here? Go to your Sent view, find
>> one of these messages, press 'c' while it's highlighted in the message
>> view to copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into a post.
>> The offending header should be unquoted and QP-encoded.
>>
>

Go to your mail folder and view accounts.ini in a text editor. Do you see
a line like this one:

Allow 8Bit Headers=0

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From:	Marc_KrÃ¤mer
Subject:	Re: problems_with_Ã¤, =?utf-8?Q?=C3=B6=2C=C3=BC_in_mail_=22to=22_since_7?= =?utf-8?Q?=2E60TP4?=
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:37:37 +0100

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:49:21 GMT, Steven V. Gunhouse
wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:31:06 +0100, Marc KrÃ¤mer
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> the headers are:
>> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:26:30 +0100
>> To: iesg--schfer-dua, jan
>> Subject: test
>> From: =?utf-8?Q?Marc_Kr=C3=A4mer?=
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>> Message-ID:
>> User-Agent: Opera M2(BETA1)/8.00 (Linux, build 913)
>>
>> test2
>>
>>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:57:27 +0100, Marc KrÃ¤mer
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> since Opera 7.60TP4 there is a problem with the "to"-header. if i
>>>> write to
>>>> someone in my contacts list containing any of the so called umlauts
>>>> opera
>>>> sets the to header i.e. to "iesg--Schfer-dua, Jan ".
>>>> if i send this message i get an error-reply.
>>>
>>> Can you post the raw headers here? Go to your Sent view, find
>>> one of these messages, press 'c' while it's highlighted in the message
>>> view to copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into a post.
>>> The offending header should be unquoted and QP-encoded.
>>>
>>
>
> Go to your mail folder and view accounts.ini in a text editor. Do you
> see a line like this one:
>
> Allow 8Bit Headers=0
I can see this line. but I think this is correct. most mail-servers do not
allow 8-bit encoding of headers. so a conversion from 8-bit to 7-bit is
necessary.

Marc

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From:	Steven V. Gunhouse
Subject:	Re: problems_with_ä,ö,ü_in_mail_" =?iso-8859-15?Q?to=22_since_7=2E60TP4?=
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:01:42 GMT

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:37:37 +0100, Marc Krämer wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:49:21 GMT, Steven V. Gunhouse
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:31:06 +0100, Marc Krämer
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> the headers are:
>>> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:26:30 +0100
>>> To: iesg--schfer-dua, jan
>>> Subject: test
>>> From: =?utf-8?Q?Marc_Kr=C3=A4mer?=
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8
>>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>>> Message-ID:
>>> User-Agent: Opera M2(BETA1)/8.00 (Linux, build 913)
>>>
>>> test2
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:57:27 +0100, Marc Krämer
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> since Opera 7.60TP4 there is a problem with the "to"-header. if i
>>>>> write to
>>>>> someone in my contacts list containing any of the so called umlauts
>>>>> opera
>>>>> sets the to header i.e. to "iesg--Schfer-dua, Jan ".
>>>>> if i send this message i get an error-reply.
>>>>
>>>> Can you post the raw headers here? Go to your Sent view, find
>>>> one of these messages, press 'c' while it's highlighted in the message
>>>> view to copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into a post.
>>>> The offending header should be unquoted and QP-encoded.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> Go to your mail folder and view accounts.ini in a text editor. Do you
>> see a line like this one:
>>
>> Allow 8Bit Headers=0
> I can see this line. but I think this is correct. most mail-servers do
> not allow 8-bit encoding of headers. so a conversion from 8-bit to 7-bit
> is necessary.
>
> Marc
>

And I can see the umlauts in your name:

From: Marc Krämer
Newsgroups: opera.mail+news
Subject: Re: problems with ä,ö,ü in mail "to" since 7.60TP4
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:37:37 +0100
Organization: Opera Software Net News

Of course, that is the From header, let me cc this to your listed address
and we'll see if that works.

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From:	Marc_KrÃ¤mer
Subject:	Re: problems_with_Ã¤, =?utf-8?Q?=C3=B6=2C=C3=BC_in_mail_=22to=22_since_7?= =?utf-8?Q?=2E60TP4?=
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:06:13 +0100

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:01:42 GMT, Steven V. Gunhouse
wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:37:37 +0100, Marc KrÃ¤mer
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:49:21 GMT, Steven V. Gunhouse
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:31:06 +0100, Marc KrÃ¤mer
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> the headers are:
>>>> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:26:30 +0100
>>>> To: iesg--schfer-dua, jan
>>>> Subject: test
>>>> From: =?utf-8?Q?Marc_Kr=C3=A4mer?=
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8
>>>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> User-Agent: Opera M2(BETA1)/8.00 (Linux, build 913)
>>>>
>>>> test2
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:57:27 +0100, Marc KrÃ¤mer
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> since Opera 7.60TP4 there is a problem with the "to"-header. if i
>>>>>> write to
>>>>>> someone in my contacts list containing any of the so called umlauts
>>>>>> opera
>>>>>> sets the to header i.e. to "iesg--Schfer-dua, Jan ".
>>>>>> if i send this message i get an error-reply.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you post the raw headers here? Go to your Sent view, find
>>>>> one of these messages, press 'c' while it's highlighted in the
>>>>> message
>>>>> view to copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into a post.
>>>>> The offending header should be unquoted and QP-encoded.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Go to your mail folder and view accounts.ini in a text editor. Do you
>>> see a line like this one:
>>>
>>> Allow 8Bit Headers=0
>> I can see this line. but I think this is correct. most mail-servers do
>> not allow 8-bit encoding of headers. so a conversion from 8-bit to
>> 7-bit is necessary.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>
> And I can see the umlauts in your name:
>
> From: Marc KrÃ¤mer
> Newsgroups: opera.mail+news
> Subject: Re: problems with Ã¤,Ã¶,Ã¼ in mail "to" since 7.60TP4
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:37:37 +0100
> Organization: Opera Software Net News
>
> Of course, that is the From header, let me cc this to your listed
> address and we'll see if that works.
>
just add an extra commata, so that the address is like
"KrÃ¤mer, Marc"

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From:	Wanja Gayk
Subject:	Re: Futf-8?Q?problems_with_Ã¤
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:15:30 +0100

=?utf-8?Q?Marc_Kr=C3=A4mer?= said...

> test2

Subscribe to a testnewsgroup for that sort of rubbish!
opera.test
is your friend.

-Wanja-

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Kommentar, meine Geschichte'. [..] Es wäre besser, wenn sie sagten:
'unser Buch, unser Kommentar, unsere Geschichte'; wenn man bedenkt, dass
das Gute darin mehr von anderen ist als von ihnen." [Blaise Pascal]

From:	Tim Altman
Subject:	Re: problems with Ã¤, =?utf-8?Q?=C3=B6=2C=C3=BC in mail =22to=22 since 7?= =?utf-8?Q?=2E60TP4?=
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:12:19 +0100

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:15:30 +0100, Wanja Gayk
wrote:

>=?utf-8?Q?Marc_Kr=C3=A4mer?= said...
>
>> test2
>
>Subscribe to a testnewsgroup for that sort of rubbish!
>opera.test
>is your friend.

Err, that's what I asked him to post.

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Core QA
Opera Software