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 | | From: | saito | | Subject: | Japanese and Chinese | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:24:34 +0900 |
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 | Opened Japanese page, then follow a link to Chinese page,
after reading that, return to Japanese page, the characters
are rendered in a Chinese way. I mean some characters are
displayed in different characters.
Encounter the issue, even set encoding to Japanese automatic.
Need to reload the page to recover. This is the solution.
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| | From: | Steven V. Gunhouse | | Subject: | Re: Japanese and Chinese | | Date: | Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:54:46 GMT |
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| On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:24:34 +0900, saito wrote:
> Opened Japanese page, then follow a link to Chinese page,
> after reading that, return to Japanese page, the characters
> are rendered in a Chinese way. I mean some characters are
> displayed in different characters.
> Encounter the issue, even set encoding to Japanese automatic.
>
> Need to reload the page to recover. This is the solution.
>
Refresh display? Tools, Advanced, Refresh display (in 8.0 - it was in the
View menu in 7.5) re-renders the page from cache instead of having to
fetch it again.
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| | From: | saito | | Subject: | Re: Japanese and Chinese | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:17:57 +0900 |
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| On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:54:46 GMT, Steven V. Gunhouse
wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:24:34 +0900, saito wrote:
>
>> Opened Japanese page, then follow a link to Chinese page,
>> after reading that, return to Japanese page, the characters
>> are rendered in a Chinese way. I mean some characters are
>> displayed in different characters.
>> Encounter the issue, even set encoding to Japanese automatic.
>>
>> Need to reload the page to recover. This is the solution.
>>
>
> Refresh display? Tools, Advanced, Refresh display (in 8.0 - it was in
> the View menu in 7.5) re-renders the page from cache instead of having
> to fetch it again.
Thanks, Steven. Yes, it works.
It is called now 'Reload from cache', which works as well.
I have configured my [Document Popup menu], i.e. right mouse click,
and use so often.
I suspect Opera's detection for Chinese characters is not perfect.
It sometimes judge Japanese-kanji as simplified Chinese
after coming back from page encoded in 'gb2312'. The original
Japanese page is encoded in EUC-JP, for example, written so in
a header of HTML.
Opera should render according to the informations at header's
charset="something". Yes, it is not very easy, I understand.
Both Japanese and Chinese use similar characters, in many cases
it is the same, and in another cases they differ. :)
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| | From: | Eirik Byrkjeflot Anonsen | | Subject: | Re: Japanese and Chinese | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:31:07 +0100 |
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| saito writes:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:54:46 GMT, Steven V. Gunhouse
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:24:34 +0900, saito wrote:
>>
>>> Opened Japanese page, then follow a link to Chinese page,
>>> after reading that, return to Japanese page, the characters
>>> are rendered in a Chinese way. I mean some characters are
>>> displayed in different characters.
>>> Encounter the issue, even set encoding to Japanese automatic.
>>>
>>> Need to reload the page to recover. This is the solution.
>>>
>>
>> Refresh display? Tools, Advanced, Refresh display (in 8.0 - it was
>> in the View menu in 7.5) re-renders the page from cache instead of
>> having to fetch it again.
>
> Thanks, Steven. Yes, it works.
> It is called now 'Reload from cache', which works as well.
> I have configured my [Document Popup menu], i.e. right mouse click,
> and use so often.
>
> I suspect Opera's detection for Chinese characters is not perfect.
> It sometimes judge Japanese-kanji as simplified Chinese
> after coming back from page encoded in 'gb2312'. The original
> Japanese page is encoded in EUC-JP, for example, written so in
> a header of HTML.
>
> Opera should render according to the informations at header's
> charset="something". Yes, it is not very easy, I understand.
> Both Japanese and Chinese use similar characters, in many cases
> it is the same, and in another cases they differ. :)
>
We (try to) do language detection based on the character set. I
haven't seen this problem yet, but I probably have never gone back
from a chinese page to a japanese page...
Ouch! That's horrible. I tried www.asahi.com -> www.sina.com.cn,
then back. Now asahi is shown with a horrible mixture of chinese,
korean and japanese fonts. This looks just like what I used to see
when a japanese page was unicode encoded (like unicode.org's "what is
unicode"). I even get the bug where the prolonged vowel mark is
replaced with a "line drawing cross" (it's a disagreement about which
character should actually be in that position in the gb encodings...)
Make a bug report. (http://bugs.opera.com/wizard/)
eirik
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| | From: | saito | | Subject: | Re: Japanese and Chinese | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:15:16 +0900 |
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| On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:31:07 +0100, Eirik Byrkjeflot Anonsen
wrote:
snip
> Make a bug report. (http://bugs.opera.com/wizard/)
Thanks. Filed. bug-161564
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