Hi all,

Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD is available for
download. As usual, discuss the new version in opera.linux, on the
opera-linux mailing list, and in the my.opera.com Opera for Linux
forum.

Download:

http://www.opera.com/download/

Changelog:

The UNIX specific changelog is not online yet but will soon.
Please refer to the changelog for the windows version. Note
that voice support is not activated in the UNIX version.

http://www.opera.com/windows/changelogs/operabeta/

In addition there are some extra changes for the UNIX version
as listed below:

- Support for mouse buttons 6 and 7 (side buttons).
- Support for detecting a running KDE environment and reading the KDE plug-in path.
- Added Alt + F11 as an alternative shortcut to toggle the menu bar.
- When running the "opera" script from the extract directory of a tar.gz or tar.bz, Opera
will automatically create a personal settings directory so that "-personaldir" is not required.
The ECMAScript console will also work in this mode of operation.
- The default font size for forms and compose fields are now the same as for PRE font.
- Proper colors for PRE, CODE, and TT fonts. The fonts were difficult to read in user mode
due to gray text on white background.
- Fix to provide correct redrawing when mouse is leaving elements with CSS hover attribute set.
- Accept Bitstream Vera fonts as suitable default fonts.
- Better font size options for smoothly scalable fonts.

Enjoy,

--
Espen Sand
espen@opera.com

From:	Joachim Ziebs
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:36:15 +0100

Hi Espen!

Espen Sand [2005-01-06]:

I just installed the beta and noticed something strange that was also
present in 7.6TP4, but not in TP3 or other versions:

Every horizontal scrolling with my mouse (Logitech Trackman Marble FX)
makes Opera browse backwards and forwards.
All other Opera versions up to TP3 correctly scroll left to right.

I use MandrakeLinux 10.1 official and here is my Xorg.conf:

---
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse1"
Driver "mouse"
#Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
#Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
#Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
# Option "Protocol" "MouseManPlusPS/2"
Option "Protocol" "Auto"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Buttons" "4"
#Option "XAxisMapping" "6 7"
#Option "YAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "XAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "YAxisMapping" "6 7"
Option "EmulateWheel" "1"
Option "EmulateWheelButton" "2"
Option "EmulateWheelInertia" "12"
EndSection
---

Any idea on how I can gat Opera to scroll correctly or at least on how
to tell it not to move through the history?

Greetings,

Joachim

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From:	Espen Sand
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:20:31 +0100

Joachim Ziebs wrote:
> Hi Espen!
>
> Espen Sand [2005-01-06]:
>
> I just installed the beta and noticed something strange that was also
> present in 7.6TP4, but not in TP3 or other versions:
>
> Every horizontal scrolling with my mouse (Logitech Trackman Marble FX)
> makes Opera browse backwards and forwards.
> All other Opera versions up to TP3 correctly scroll left to right.
>
> I use MandrakeLinux 10.1 official and here is my Xorg.conf:
>
> ---
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier "Mouse1"
> Driver "mouse"
> #Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
> #Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
> #Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
> # Option "Protocol" "MouseManPlusPS/2"
> Option "Protocol" "Auto"
> Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
> Option "Buttons" "4"
> #Option "XAxisMapping" "6 7"
> #Option "YAxisMapping" "4 5"
> Option "XAxisMapping" "4 5"
> Option "YAxisMapping" "6 7"
> Option "EmulateWheel" "1"
> Option "EmulateWheelButton" "2"
> Option "EmulateWheelInertia" "12"
> EndSection
> ---
>
> Any idea on how I can gat Opera to scroll correctly or at least on how
> to tell it not to move through the history?

Button 6 and 7 have been mapped to back/fwd history navigation. That can
not be turned off at the moment, but if this is a problem, then we have to
do something with that.

Is it so that you get (or want to have) horizontal wheel events with you
current setup?

--
Espen Sand
espen@opera.com

From:	Jellby
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:49:20 +0100

Among other things, Espen Sand saw fit to write:

> Button 6 and 7 have been mapped to back/fwd history navigation. That can
> not be turned off at the moment, but if this is a problem, then we have to
> do something with that.
>
> Is it so that you get (or want to have) horizontal wheel events with you
> current setup?

With my touchpad, I can usually scroll vertically or horizontally moving the
finger along the right or bottom edge, this is very convenient and
intuitive... but it doesn't work with current beta.

I see you have replied this will be configurable, great! Now, I really think
this is an option that should be available in the UI, maybe with the
middle-click options or in a new "mouse preferences" tab.

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From:	Joachim Ziebs
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:39:39 +0100

Hi Espen!

Espen Sand [2005-01-06]:

>> Any idea on how I can gat Opera to scroll correctly or at least on how
>> to tell it not to move through the history?
>
>
> Button 6 and 7 have been mapped to back/fwd history navigation. That can
> not be turned off at the moment, but if this is a problem, then we have to
> do something with that.

Could you make that configurable?

> Is it so that you get (or want to have) horizontal wheel events with you
> current setup?

I got horizontal wheel events up to 7.6TP3 and I'd like to keep it that
way.

The problem is not that I don't like to scroll through the history, but
that with the MarbleFX trackball you have no extra scroll-wheel but
press a button and the main ball becomes your "wheel".
Trying to get a straight line with this "wheel" (for vertical scrolling)
is almost impossible. So instead of scrolling up and down
through a page you end up on the page before.

Regards,

Joachim

--
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www.tantallon.de / www.tantallon-castle.de

From:	Espen Sand
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:31:02 +0100

Joachim Ziebs wrote:
> Hi Espen!
>
> Espen Sand [2005-01-06]:
>
>
>>>Any idea on how I can gat Opera to scroll correctly or at least on how
>>>to tell it not to move through the history?
>>
>>
>>Button 6 and 7 have been mapped to back/fwd history navigation. That can
>>not be turned off at the moment, but if this is a problem, then we have to
>>do something with that.
>
>
> Could you make that configurable?

Yes, hardcoding will be removed in the next release. By default back/fwd will be
bound to button6 and button7 but that can then be disabled by commenting out
"Button6 = Back" and "Button7 = Forward" statements in standard_mouse.ini
(in /usr/share/opera/ini/). The file can be copied to ~/.opera/mouse/
first so that this setting is private for you.

--
Espen Sand
espen@opera.com

From:	Joachim Ziebs
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:00:49 +0100

Hi Espen!

Espen Sand [2005-01-07]:

>>>Button 6 and 7 have been mapped to back/fwd history navigation. That can
>>>not be turned off at the moment, but if this is a problem, then we have to
>>>do something with that.
>>
>> Could you make that configurable?
>
> Yes, hardcoding will be removed in the next release. By default back/fwd will be
> bound to button6 and button7 but that can then be disabled by commenting out
> "Button6 = Back" and "Button7 = Forward" statements in standard_mouse.ini
> (in /usr/share/opera/ini/). The file can be copied to ~/.opera/mouse/
> first so that this setting is private for you.

This sounds very good, thank you!
Now I only need to remember doing that after the next update.

Regards,

Joachim

--
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www.tantallon.de / www.tantallon-castle.de

From:	Oscar
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:20:30 +0100

Espen Sand wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD is available for
> download. As usual, discuss the new version in opera.linux, on the
> opera-linux mailing list, and in the my.opera.com Opera for Linux
> forum.
>
> Download:
>
> http://www.opera.com/download/
>
> Changelog:
>
> The UNIX specific changelog is not online yet but will soon.
> Please refer to the changelog for the windows version. Note
> that voice support is not activated in the UNIX version.
>
> http://www.opera.com/windows/changelogs/operabeta/
>
> In addition there are some extra changes for the UNIX version
> as listed below:
>
> - Support for mouse buttons 6 and 7 (side buttons).
> - Support for detecting a running KDE environment and reading the KDE
> plug-in path.
> - Added Alt + F11 as an alternative shortcut to toggle the menu bar.
> - When running the "opera" script from the extract directory of a tar.gz
> or tar.bz, Opera
> will automatically create a personal settings directory so that
> "-personaldir" is not required.
> The ECMAScript console will also work in this mode of operation.
> - The default font size for forms and compose fields are now the same as
> for PRE font.
> - Proper colors for PRE, CODE, and TT fonts. The fonts were difficult to
> read in user mode
> due to gray text on white background.
> - Fix to provide correct redrawing when mouse is leaving elements with
> CSS hover attribute set.
> - Accept Bitstream Vera fonts as suitable default fonts.
> - Better font size options for smoothly scalable fonts.
>
> Enjoy,
>
yah! <:o)

From:	Steven V. Gunhouse
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:17:50 GMT

One bug reported in the forums already ... when configuring fonts, the
sample text doesn't change according to your selections.

Otherwise ... I don't know, generally feels more like the Windows version.
A little more consistency between the two. Hard to say exactly.

I presume none of the bugs reported in the two weeks since 8.0 B1 was
released for Windows have been fixed yet ... well, except that it has the
right title when installing over an older version.

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:25:40 +0100, Espen Sand wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD is available for
> download. As usual, discuss the new version in opera.linux, on the
> opera-linux mailing list, and in the my.opera.com Opera for Linux
> forum.
>
> Download:
>
> http://www.opera.com/download/
>
> Changelog:
>
> The UNIX specific changelog is not online yet but will soon.
> Please refer to the changelog for the windows version. Note
> that voice support is not activated in the UNIX version.
>
> http://www.opera.com/windows/changelogs/operabeta/
>
> In addition there are some extra changes for the UNIX version
> as listed below:
>
> - Support for mouse buttons 6 and 7 (side buttons).
> - Support for detecting a running KDE environment and reading the KDE
> plug-in path.
> - Added Alt + F11 as an alternative shortcut to toggle the menu bar.
> - When running the "opera" script from the extract directory of a tar.gz
> or tar.bz, Opera
> will automatically create a personal settings directory so that
> "-personaldir" is not required.
> The ECMAScript console will also work in this mode of operation.
> - The default font size for forms and compose fields are now the same as
> for PRE font.
> - Proper colors for PRE, CODE, and TT fonts. The fonts were difficult to
> read in user mode
> due to gray text on white background.
> - Fix to provide correct redrawing when mouse is leaving elements with
> CSS hover attribute set.
> - Accept Bitstream Vera fonts as suitable default fonts.
> - Better font size options for smoothly scalable fonts.
>
> Enjoy,
>

--
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From:	Espen Sand
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:10:17 +0100

Steven V. Gunhouse wrote:
> One bug reported in the forums already ... when configuring fonts, the
> sample text doesn't change according to your selections.

Yes, I have seen that as well.

>
> Otherwise ... I don't know, generally feels more like the Windows
> version. A little more consistency between the two. Hard to say exactly.
>
> I presume none of the bugs reported in the two weeks since 8.0 B1 was
> released for Windows have been fixed yet ... well, except that it has
> the right title when installing over an older version.

We use same code version as the windows beta. The title bar code is platform
specific to some extent.

--
Espen Sand
espen@opera.com

From:	Richard L. Hamilton
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:42:46 -0000

_Still_ leaving the Java applets out in separate windows instead of
reparenting them into the browser window. (SPARC Solaris 9, fully
patched).

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Lasik/PRK theme music:
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From:	Eirik Byrkjeflot Anonsen
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:04:59 +0100

Richard.L.Hamilton@mindwarp.smart.net (Richard L. Hamilton) writes:

> _Still_ leaving the Java applets out in separate windows instead of
> reparenting them into the browser window. (SPARC Solaris 9, fully
> patched).
>

Thanks for the reminder. I still don't know why it happens, though.

eirik

From:	Eirik Byrkjeflot Anonsen
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:11:11 +0100

Richard.L.Hamilton@mindwarp.smart.net (Richard L. Hamilton) writes:

> In article <87d5w4rw1g.fsf@opera.com>,
> Eirik Byrkjeflot Anonsen writes:
>> Richard.L.Hamilton@mindwarp.smart.net (Richard L. Hamilton) writes:
>>
>>> _Still_ leaving the Java applets out in separate windows instead of
>>> reparenting them into the browser window. (SPARC Solaris 9, fully
>>> patched).
>>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the reminder. I still don't know why it happens, though.
>
> Any ideas on how to find out? (syscall trace, xscope, etc)
>

Opera is supposed to, at increasingly longer intervals, look through
pretty much all windows on the x server looking for one named "Opera
will reparent me into " (or something very similar).

Then, that window will be reparented into the window with the id as
given in the title.

So either:

- That code doesn't get run.
- The tree walk using XQueryTree fails to find the window.
- Maybe the string match on the window fails...
- Or the reparent itself fails...

Some of these can probably be tested by external tracing, in
particular seeing if the calls to XQueryTree ever returns the java
window (with the correct title) in the children_return parameter...

eirik

From:	Richard L. Hamilton
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:12:40 -0000

In article <87d5w4rw1g.fsf@opera.com>,
Eirik Byrkjeflot Anonsen writes:
> Richard.L.Hamilton@mindwarp.smart.net (Richard L. Hamilton) writes:
>
>> _Still_ leaving the Java applets out in separate windows instead of
>> reparenting them into the browser window. (SPARC Solaris 9, fully
>> patched).
>>
>
>
> Thanks for the reminder. I still don't know why it happens, though.

Any ideas on how to find out? (syscall trace, xscope, etc)

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From:	Helmut Jarausch
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:16:35 +0100

Espen Sand wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD is available for
> download. As usual, discuss the new version in opera.linux, on the
> opera-linux mailing list, and in the my.opera.com Opera for Linux
> forum.

Many thanks.

I'd like to just point out a remaining printing problem.
Please try to print
http://rpmseek.com/rpm/cups-libs-1.1.22-2.i586.html?hl=de&cs=cups:PN:0:0:1:20:1855197

once with opera 8 beta
and then with mozilla or firefox

Many thanks,

Helmut Jarausch

Lehrst. f. Numer. Math
RWTH-Aachen University
Germany

From:	Robert Hull
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:43:52 +0000

In message <41DD0414.40402@opera.com>, Espen Sand
wrote
>Hi all,
>
>Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD is available for
>download. As usual, discuss the new version in opera.linux, on the
>opera-linux mailing list, and in the my.opera.com Opera for Linux
>forum.
>
>Download:
>
>http://www.opera.com/download/

Is there a 64 bit version available ? I could not see any indication on
the beta page.
--
Robert
My usual .sig just went on holiday so
I'm currently interviewing would-be
.sig's to find a stand-in

From:	Tim Altman
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:07:00 +0100

Fup2 opera.linux. Please set a follow-up group when cross-posting.

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:43:52 +0000, Robert Hull

wrote:

>In message <41DD0414.40402@opera.com>, Espen Sand
>wrote
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD is available for
>>download. As usual, discuss the new version in opera.linux, on the
>>opera-linux mailing list, and in the my.opera.com Opera for Linux
>>forum.
>>
>>Download:
>>
>>http://www.opera.com/download/
>
>Is there a 64 bit version available ? I could not see any indication on
>the beta page.

I don't believe there is at this time.

--
Tim Altman
Core QA
Opera Software

From:	Yurk Yurk
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:28:41 +1000

> http://www.opera.com/windows/changelogs/operabeta/

"Fixed problem selecting the first letter of a text selection with the
mouse."

Hallelujah!

From:	Michael A Chase
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:08:04 -0800

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:25:40 +0100, Espen Sand wrote:

> Download:
>
> http://www.opera.com/download/

The first two US sites I tried (e-tech-solution.com and ftp.130th.net)
don't have the version 8 directory. I eventually downloaded from an Irish
site.

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From:	Robert Hull
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:52:28 +0000

In message , Tim Altman
wrote
>Fup2 opera.linux. Please set a follow-up group when cross-posting.
>
>On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:43:52 +0000, Robert Hull
> wrote:
>
>>In message <41DD0414.40402@opera.com>, Espen Sand
>>wrote
>>>
>>>http://www.opera.com/download/
>>
>>Is there a 64 bit version available ? I could not see any indication on
>>the beta page.
>
> I don't believe there is at this time.
>
In this case, the 4th line of my .sig should read "if it's not there and
you can't see it - it wasn't there in the first place :-(
--
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If it's there and you can't see it - it's transparent
If it's not there and you can see it - it's virtual
If it's not there and you can't see it - it's gone!

From:	Helmut Jarausch
Subject:	Re: Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD available
Date:	Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:18:44 +0100

Espen Sand wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Opera 8 beta for Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD is available for
> download. As usual, discuss the new version in opera.linux, on the
> opera-linux mailing list, and in the my.opera.com Opera for Linux
> forum.
>
Many thanks.

I'd like to just point out a remaining printing problem.
Please try to print
http://rpmseek.com/rpm/cups-libs-1.1.22-2.i586.html?hl=de&cs=cups:PN:0:0:1:20:1855197

once with opera 8 beta
and then with mozilla or firefox

Many thanks,

Helmut Jarausch

Lehrst. f. Numer. Math
RWTH-Aachen University
Germany