When using Google I find that the visited link color is a sort of
purple.

I don't properly understand this area of style sheets and what
settings in opera override what other settings so I have gathered
together here all the data I think which might be relevant.

For some reason I can't properly change the visited link color in
Google. If I use the My Link Style button in Page Style and select a
color, it seems to get ignored. Something is working, though,
because if I select strikethrough for visited links then Google then
I get to see a line struck through the visited link name.

I view Google using Author Mode and this is set as follows:

Page Style Sheet - set to author's
Page Fonts & Colors - set to author's
My Style sheet - NO
My fonts and colors - NO
My link style - YES

Other pages work as I want them to (and they use my chosen visited
link color) but not Google.

I have also got this for User Mode.

Page Style Sheet - blank
Page Fonts & Colors - blank
My Style sheet - YES
My fonts and colors - YES
My link style - YES

If I switch to User Mode then, yes, I get what I want for the link
color in Google but the rest of my preferred formatting for most web
paes is rather poor for Google!

My style sheet contains only this:

a:visited
{
color:#CC3333 !important;
# background-color:#FFFFFF !important;
}

As I said before ... try as I might, and I have triud, I don't
properly understand this area of style sheets and what settings in
opera override what other settings. Can anyone suggest what is going
on regardig Google's visited link color in my case?

From:	Rijk van Geijtenbeek
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:03:59 +0100

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:14:13 GMT, Jane D wrote:

> When using Google I find that the visited link color is a sort of
> purple.

This is because Google tells the browser so in it's stylesheet:

a:visited,.fl:visited{color:#551a8b}

> I don't properly understand this area of style sheets and what
> settings in opera override what other settings so I have gathered
> together here all the data I think which might be relevant.
>
> For some reason I can't properly change the visited link color in
> Google. If I use the My Link Style button in Page Style and select a
> color, it seems to get ignored. Something is working, though,
> because if I select strikethrough for visited links then Google then
> I get to see a line struck through the visited link name.

The 'My link style' is the base style you choose, always to be overriden by author styling when you allow author styling. So if the page sets a color for links and visited links (using a stylesheet or html attributes), Opera's settings will be ignored. If the page stylesheet sets a value for 'text-decoration' (underline, no underline, strike-through, blink), Opera's setting for undeline and strike-though will be ignored.

> I view Google using Author Mode and this is set as follows:
>
> Page Style Sheet - set to author's
> Page Fonts & Colors - set to author's
> My Style sheet - NO
> My fonts and colors - NO
> My link style - YES
>
> Other pages work as I want them to (and they use my chosen visited
> link color) but not Google.

But on many pages your chosen visited link color will not show.

> I have also got this for User Mode.
>
> Page Style Sheet - blank
> Page Fonts & Colors - blank
> My Style sheet - YES
> My fonts and colors - YES
> My link style - YES
>
> If I switch to User Mode then, yes, I get what I want for the link
> color in Google but the rest of my preferred formatting for most web
> paes is rather poor for Google!
>
> My style sheet contains only this:
>
> a:visited
> {
> color:#CC3333 !important;
> # background-color:#FFFFFF !important;
> }
>
>
>
> As I said before ... try as I might, and I have triud, I don't
> properly understand this area of style sheets and what settings in
> opera override what other settings. Can anyone suggest what is going
> on regarding Google's visited link color in my case?

Enable 'my style sheet' in author mode as well, and you'll see the color of visited links will always be #cc3333. Which might be a problem when the page you visit accidentally has a background color of #cc3333. So you better remove that # (which is not a valid comment marker in CSS btw) to always get a white background color.

Personally I'd use this in a user stylesheet:

a:visited
{
text-decoration: line-through !important;
}

Because it never interferes with the color scheme of sites.

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!

From:	Jane D
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:51:48 GMT

On 16 Jan 2005, Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:14:13 GMT, Jane D
> wrote:
>
>> When using Google I find that the visited link color is a sort
>> of purple.
>
> This is because Google tells the browser so in it's stylesheet:
>
> a:visited,.fl:visited{color:#551a8b}

[snip]...[snip]

Can I ask a little bit more about Opera and style sheets.

After reading your last reply, I have started to come to the
conclusion that *maybe* (I am still learning!) it is better to always
use User Mode. Let me explain a bit more and then I would like to
know what you or anyone else thinks of this idea.

In my line of thinking, I would have a *null* User Mode stylesheet
which as nothing in it and then I would add whatever styles I wanted
to see on the web page by going and checking seelcted entries in
Opera's popup user styles menu.

In my case I would make sure that one of these available entries
would be designed to be a visted link style of red.

The entries for User Mode in Opera's Preferences might be:

Page Style Sheet - YES
Page Fonts & Colors - YES
My Style sheet - YES
My fonts and colors - NO
My link style - NO

This way would allow me always to override whatever the page's
settings are.

QUESTION ONE: What do you think of this approach? Is it a viable
way to work?

---

In fact, as I explain my line of thinking above, I find am not
particularly clear about what is the true purpose of Opera's "My
Style Sheet" which is referenced at the bottom of the Page Style
window in Preferences.

QUESTION TWO: Is the purpose of "My Style Sheet" (and also My Link
Style) to provide a *preferred* set of styles and then for the Opera
user to be ready to accept any overrides which the webpage's author
wishes to use?

---

This leads me onto what is a related question.

QUESTION THREE (PLUS): In Opera, is there a hierarchy of usage for
fonts which similar to the hierarchy of usage for cascading style
sheets?

In other words is the purpose of "My Fonts and Colors" to provide a
*preferred* set of fonts and then for the Opera user to be ready to
accept any overrides which the webpage's author wishes to use?

Presumably, if I want to force a font to be used then I would include
it in a selectable style sheet and then enable it from the
Author/User Mode popup menu. Is this correct?

Phew! I have asked a lot. Thank you to anyone who answers.

From:	Rijk van Geijtenbeek
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:07:49 +0100

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:51:48 GMT, Jane D wrote:
> On 16 Jan 2005, Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:14:13 GMT, Jane D
>> wrote:

>>> When using Google I find that the visited link color is a sort
>>> of purple.
>>
>> This is because Google tells the browser so in it's stylesheet:
>>
>> a:visited,.fl:visited{color:#551a8b}
>
>
> [snip]...[snip]
>
>
> Can I ask a little bit more about Opera and style sheets.
>
> After reading your last reply, I have started to come to the
> conclusion that *maybe* (I am still learning!) it is better to always
> use User Mode. Let me explain a bit more and then I would like to
> know what you or anyone else thinks of this idea.
>
> In my line of thinking, I would have a *null* User Mode stylesheet
> which as nothing in it and then I would add whatever styles I wanted
> to see on the web page by going and checking seelcted entries in
> Opera's popup user styles menu.
>
> In my case I would make sure that one of these available entries
> would be designed to be a visted link style of red.
>
> The entries for User Mode in Opera's Preferences might be:
>
> Page Style Sheet - YES
> Page Fonts & Colors - YES
> My Style sheet - YES
> My fonts and colors - NO
> My link style - NO
>
> This way would allow me always to override whatever the page's
> settings are.
>
> QUESTION ONE: What do you think of this approach? Is it a viable
> way to work?

Yes, that can work fine. I'm not sure why the UI designers decided to
disable user style sheets by default in Author mode. Many of the included
selectable user style sheet make most sense when applied on top of author
styles.

The main 'user style sheet' file you select in prefs would then contain
overrides you'd *always* want to see, and you'd use the additional user
styles to influence pages when you need it.

> ---
>
> In fact, as I explain my line of thinking above, I find am not
> particularly clear about what is the true purpose of Opera's "My
> Style Sheet" which is referenced at the bottom of the Page Style
> window in Preferences.
>
> QUESTION TWO: Is the purpose of "My Style Sheet" (and also My Link
> Style) to provide a *preferred* set of styles and then for the Opera
> user to be ready to accept any overrides which the webpage's author
> wishes to use?

You can certainly use it that way, don't include the '!important' marker
in your user style sheet for such styles.

It can also be used to provide a completely different view of pages in
User mode, using a style sheet instead of the various font options. Once
you understand how it works, you can use it in several ways. This
highlights of course the problem that it is hard to grasp for those who
are not webdesigners, and so are familiar with the interaction of html
attributes, css styles and browser settings.

> ---
>
> This leads me onto what is a related question.
>
> QUESTION THREE (PLUS): In Opera, is there a hierarchy of usage for
> fonts which similar to the hierarchy of usage for cascading style
> sheets?
>
> In other words is the purpose of "My Fonts and Colors" to provide a
> *preferred* set of fonts and then for the Opera user to be ready to
> accept any overrides which the webpage's author wishes to use?

Yes, that is definately the case. The fonts and colors settings in Opera
don't have a notion of 'important', and if you allow 'My fonts and colors'
and 'Page fonts and colors' in the same presentation mode, the page fonts
and colors will override your local font settings.

> Presumably, if I want to force a font to be used then I would include
> it in a selectable style sheet and then enable it from the
> Author/User Mode popup menu. Is this correct?

Yes, if you don't want to apply it all the time.

> Phew! I have asked a lot. Thank you to anyone who answers.

If you don't need a plain vanilla no-author-styles-at-all presentation
mode, you can also consider this setup:

Author mode User mode
Page style sheet X X
Page fonts and colors X X
My style sheet 0 X
My fonts and colors 0 0
My link style X X

This way, Ctrl+G toggles between 'Author styling only' and 'Author styling
plus user style sheet'.

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It can absorb as much time as | Documentation & QA
is required to ensure that you | Opera Software ASA
won't get any real work done. - J.Nielsen
|http://my.opera.com/Rijk/journal

From:	Jane D
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:29:52 GMT

> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:51:48 GMT, Jane D wrote:
>>
>> In my line of thinking, I would have a *null* User Mode
>> stylesheet which as nothing in it and then I would add whatever
>> styles I wanted to see on the web page by going and checking
>> seelcted entries in Opera's popup user styles menu.
>>
>> In my case I would make sure that one of these available
>> entries would be designed to be a visted link style of red.
>>
>> The entries for User Mode in Opera's Preferences might be:
>>
>> Page Style Sheet - YES
>> Page Fonts & Colors - YES
>> My Style sheet - YES
>> My fonts and colors - NO
>> My link style - NO
>>
>> This way would allow me always to override whatever the page's
>> settings are.
>>
>> QUESTION ONE: What do you think of this approach? Is it a
>> viable way to work?

On 17 Jan 2005, Rijk van Geijtenbeek replied:
>
> Yes, that can work fine. I'm not sure why the UI designers
> decided to disable user style sheets by default in Author mode.
> Many of the included selectable user style sheet make most
> sense when applied on top of author styles.

Rijk, thank you kindly for your feedback and your answers.

On the particular point you mention here, I find that the user style
sheets (and the preconfigured optional sytle sheets) are not actually
disabled in Author Mode.

If I configure Author Mode so that 'My Style Sheet' is selected then
those popup optional style sheets are no longer grayed out. of
course, this would apply the user style sheet but if the user mode
style sheet is blank then the style sheet makes no difference to the
appearance.

---

BTW I have referenced my user css files is OperaDef6.ini in
C:\Program Files\Opera. I now read in a document that this
OperaDef6.ini file might get overwritten when Opera is upgraded.

So I am trying to move the css file references to Opera6.ini in
C:\(user)\Opera\Opera7\profile but they do not seem to work in
Opera6.ini. I do not see the entries in the popup menu.

I am not sure where I am going wrong, so can I ask these questions
about Opera INI files:

(1) Should I be able to simply cut and paste my references from
[Local CSS Files] in OperaDef6.ini to [Local CSS Files] in
Opera6.ini? I would keep the same numbering. Of course, Opera would
not be open when I did this.

(2) That Opera6.ini and the Opera6.ini in Program Files each have a
simlar but not identical set of "Active" entries in the section
[Local CSS Files]. For example, 'Active 2=0' and 'Active 8=0'. Does
this difference matter? Should both files have these "Active"
rntries?

(3) Do these "Active" entries have to precede or follow the
references to css files? In terms of syntax, can I use line spacings
between the each pair (i.e. Name 13=menu_name and File 13=file_name)
referring to a css file or will this mess things up.

(4) Finally, is it alright to move the whole of the [Local CSS
Files] section in the INI files to a different position? For
example, can I put the [Local CSS Files] section as the second
section in the INI file?

Once again thank you to anyone who can help.

From:	Rijk van Geijtenbeek
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:41:17 +0100

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:29:52 GMT, Jane D wrote:

...

> On the particular point you mention here, I find that the user style
> sheets (and the preconfigured optional sytle sheets) are not actually
> disabled in Author Mode.

That's right, they are enabled when you enable 'My style sheet' in the
current presentation mode.

> BTW I have referenced my user css files is OperaDef6.ini in
> C:\Program Files\Opera. I now read in a document that this
> OperaDef6.ini file might get overwritten when Opera is upgraded.

Not 'might', but 'will'. :)

> So I am trying to move the css file references to Opera6.ini in
> C:\(user)\Opera\Opera7\profile but they do not seem to work in
> Opera6.ini. I do not see the entries in the popup menu.
>
> I am not sure where I am going wrong, so can I ask these questions
> about Opera INI files:
>
> (1) Should I be able to simply cut and paste my references from
> [Local CSS Files] in OperaDef6.ini to [Local CSS Files] in
> Opera6.ini? I would keep the same numbering. Of course, Opera would
> not be open when I did this.

Yes. If the same numbers occur in OperaDef6.ini and Opera6.ini, the latter
definations will override the former. One thing to remember: the set of
numbers should the continous. If OperaDef.ini defines styles 1-11,
Opera6.ini should start with style 12 (or below to override some of the
predefined styles).

> (2) That Opera6.ini and the Opera6.ini in Program Files each have a
> simlar but not identical set of "Active" entries in the section
> [Local CSS Files]. For example, 'Active 2=0' and 'Active 8=0'. Does
> this difference matter? Should both files have these "Active"
> rntries?

The OperaDef6.ini should not have 'active' parameters. This file is only
written to when installing Opera, so actually it *can't* have 'active'
parameters unless you put them there.

> (3) Do these "Active" entries have to precede or follow the
> references to css files? In terms of syntax, can I use line spacings
> between the each pair (i.e. Name 13=menu_name and File 13=file_name)
> referring to a css file or will this mess things up.

The order does not matter.

> (4) Finally, is it alright to move the whole of the [Local CSS
> Files] section in the INI files to a different position? For
> example, can I put the [Local CSS Files] section as the second
> section in the INI file?

Isn't that the same question as (1)?

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It can absorb as much time as | Documentation & QA
is required to ensure that you | Opera Software ASA
won't get any real work done. - J.Nielsen
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From:	Jane D
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:49:04 GMT

On 18 Jan 2005, Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:

>> (1) Should I be able to simply cut and paste my references
>> from [Local CSS Files] in OperaDef6.ini to [Local CSS Files] in
>> Opera6.ini? I would keep the same numbering. Of course, Opera
>> would not be open when I did this.

> Yes. If the same numbers occur in OperaDef6.ini and Opera6.ini,
> the latter definations will override the former. One thing to
> remember: the set of numbers should the continous. If
> OperaDef.ini defines styles 1-11, Opera6.ini should start with
> style 12 (or below to override some of the predefined styles).

>> (4) Finally, is it alright to move the whole of the [Local CSS
>> Files] section in the INI files to a different position? For
>> example, can I put the [Local CSS Files] section as the second
>> section in the INI file?
>
> Isn't that the same question as (1)?

In #1 I am referring to moving references to CSS files from one INI
file to another.

In #4 I am referring to moving the [Local CSS Files] section within
one INI file. I would like it to be higher up for my own convenience
when editing. However I have been hitting so many glitches with my
experiments (!!!) that I can't tell if I SHOULD be able to freely
move that whole section and all its entries without a problem.

------

BTW I would like to be able to press a keyboard shortcut and see a
list of CSS styles to choose from.

In Keyboard Preferences I see these commands:

Select User CSS File, n
Deselect User CSS File, n
Select Alternate CSS File, n
View Style

What is the difference between "Select User CSS File" and "Select
Alternate CSS File"?

What does "View Style" do? I assign it to a hotkey but it won#t do
anything.

---

Rijk. you once posted this message: http://tinyurl.com/4p54j
which refers to your file
http://people.opera.com/rijk/opera/ini/tb/userstyles_750.ini
which contains this:

======================= START =======================
Opera Preferences version 2.0
; Do not edit this file while Opera is running
; This file is stored in UTF-8 encoding

[Version]
File Version=15

[Info]
Name=User style checkboxes 7.50
Description=User style checkboxes 7.50 toolbar setup
Author=Rijk van Geijtenbeek
Version=1

[Customize Toolbar Custom.content]
Checkbox1, 69483=Select user CSS file, 0 | Deselect user CSS file, 0
Checkbox2, 69484=Select user CSS file, 1 | Deselect user CSS file, 1
Checkbox3, 69485=Select user CSS file, 2 | Deselect user CSS file, 2
Checkbox4, 69486=Select user CSS file, 3 | Deselect user CSS file, 3
Checkbox5, 69487=Select user CSS file, 4 | Deselect user CSS file, 4
Checkbox6, 69488=Select user CSS file, 5 | Deselect user CSS file, 5
Checkbox7, 69489=Select user CSS file, 6 | Deselect user CSS file, 6
Checkbox8, 69490=Select user CSS file, 7 | Deselect user CSS file, 7
Checkbox9, 69491=Select user CSS file, 8 | Deselect user CSS file, 8
Checkbox10, 69492=Select user CSS file, 9 | Deselect user CSS file, 9
Checkbox11, 69493=Select user CSS file, 10 | Deselect user CSS file,
10
============================ END ==========================

However, I definitely do not want to change my carefully and
'painfully' customized panel layout! So how can I get these settings
into the custom buttons of Customize Toolbars?

Can I create a brand new panel in addition to the existing 9 panels
already in Opera and put buttons on that panel for these commands
like you list?

Or is there any easier way around all this which allows me to QUICKLY
select style sheets?

From:	Steve Pugh
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:19:50 +0000

Jane D wrote:

>In Keyboard Preferences I see these commands:
>
> Select User CSS File, n
> Deselect User CSS File, n
> Select Alternate CSS File, n
> View Style
>
>What is the difference between "Select User CSS File" and "Select
>Alternate CSS File"?

A User style sheet is one that the user has created (or one that comes
with Opera).
An alternate style sheet is an alternative style provided by the site
author.

Steve

--
"My theories appal you, my heresies outrage you,
I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor

Steve Pugh

From:	Jane D
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:44:24 GMT

On 19 Jan 2005, Steve Pugh wrote:

> Jane D wrote:
>
>>In Keyboard Preferences I see these commands:
>>
>> Select User CSS File, n
>> Deselect User CSS File, n
>> Select Alternate CSS File, n
>> View Style
>>
>>What is the difference between "Select User CSS File" and
>>"Select Alternate CSS File"?
>
> A User style sheet is one that the user has created (or one that
> comes with Opera).
> An alternate style sheet is an alternative style provided by the
> site author.

Does that mean that the author of a web page may have more than one
style sheet available for the user to select from?

From:	Steve Pugh
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:05:48 +0000

Jane D wrote:

>On 19 Jan 2005, Steve Pugh wrote:
>
>> Jane D wrote:
>>
>>>In Keyboard Preferences I see these commands:
>>>
>>> Select User CSS File, n
>>> Deselect User CSS File, n
>>> Select Alternate CSS File, n
>>> View Style
>>>
>>>What is the difference between "Select User CSS File" and
>>>"Select Alternate CSS File"?
>>
>> A User style sheet is one that the user has created (or one that
>> comes with Opera).
>> An alternate style sheet is an alternative style provided by the
>> site author.
>
>
>Does that mean that the author of a web page may have more than one
>style sheet available for the user to select from?

Yes.

Steve

--
"My theories appal you, my heresies outrage you,
I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor

Steve Pugh

From:	Rijk van Geijtenbeek
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:17:03 +0100

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:49:04 GMT, Jane D wrote:

...

> In #4 I am referring to moving the [Local CSS Files] section within
> one INI file. I would like it to be higher up for my own convenience
> when editing. However I have been hitting so many glitches with my
> experiments (!!!) that I can't tell if I SHOULD be able to freely
> move that whole section and all its entries without a problem.

You can move sections around, the order in the ini file doesn't matter.

> ------
>
> BTW I would like to be able to press a keyboard shortcut and see a
> list of CSS styles to choose from.
>
> In Keyboard Preferences I see these commands:
>
> Select User CSS File, n
> Deselect User CSS File, n
> Select Alternate CSS File, n
> View Style
>
> What is the difference between "Select User CSS File" and "Select
> Alternate CSS File"?
>
> What does "View Style" do? I assign it to a hotkey but it won#t do
> anything.

That is for selecting the display mode of the Bookmarks panel: Full view,
Split view, Single folder.

> ---
...
> [Customize Toolbar Custom.content]
> Checkbox1, 69483=Select user CSS file, 0 | Deselect user CSS file, 0
> Checkbox2, 69484=Select user CSS file, 1 | Deselect user CSS file, 1
> Checkbox3, 69485=Select user CSS file, 2 | Deselect user CSS file, 2
> Checkbox4, 69486=Select user CSS file, 3 | Deselect user CSS file, 3
> Checkbox5, 69487=Select user CSS file, 4 | Deselect user CSS file, 4
> Checkbox6, 69488=Select user CSS file, 5 | Deselect user CSS file, 5
> Checkbox7, 69489=Select user CSS file, 6 | Deselect user CSS file, 6
> Checkbox8, 69490=Select user CSS file, 7 | Deselect user CSS file, 7
> Checkbox9, 69491=Select user CSS file, 8 | Deselect user CSS file, 8
> Checkbox10, 69492=Select user CSS file, 9 | Deselect user CSS file, 9
> Checkbox11, 69493=Select user CSS file, 10 | Deselect user CSS file,
> 10
> ============================ END ==========================
>
> However, I definitely do not want to change my carefully and
> 'painfully' customized panel layout! So how can I get these settings
> into the custom buttons of Customize Toolbars?

Unfortunately (maybe unavoidable), the only way to combine customized
setups is copy and paste in the ini files. Close Opera, then add the
secion above to your active toolbar.ini. If you already have a section
[Customize Toolbar Custom.content] you can add the lines under it,
otherwise also paste the section header.

> Can I create a brand new panel in addition to the existing 9 panels
> already in Opera and put buttons on that panel for these commands
> like you list?

Nope. They need to be on a bona fide Opera toolbar somewhere. If you have
toolbar you don't use, you could add the checkboxes there.

> Or is there any easier way around all this which allows me to QUICKLY
> select style sheets?

The actions you see for those checkboxes could also be used for keyboard
shortcuts and buttons, but I doubt that is practical. Any method of
'quickly' selecting one out of a dozen options probably isn't quick
anymore...

--
The Web is a procrastination apparatus: | Rijk van Geijtenbeek
It can absorb as much time as | Documentation & QA
is required to ensure that you | Opera Software ASA
won't get any real work done. - J.Nielsen
|http://my.opera.com/Rijk/journal

From:	Jane D
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:51:54 GMT

On 19 Jan 2005, Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:

>> However, I definitely do not want to change my carefully and
>> 'painfully' customized panel layout! So how can I get these
>> settings into the custom buttons of Customize Toolbars?
>
> Unfortunately (maybe unavoidable), the only way to combine
> customized setups is copy and paste in the ini files. Close
> Opera, then add the secion above to your active toolbar.ini. If
> you already have a section [Customize Toolbar Custom.content]
> you can add the lines under it, otherwise also paste the
> section header.

>> Can I create a brand new panel in addition to the existing 9
>> panels already in Opera and put buttons on that panel for these
>> commands like you list?
>
> Nope. They need to be on a bona fide Opera toolbar somewhere. If
> you have toolbar you don't use, you could add the checkboxes
> there.

I chose to use a toolbar and it worked out nicely.

Your extra lines stop their numbering before they get to refer to my
own style sheets. So I added these lines to the latest TOOLBAR.INI:

Checkbox12, 69494=Select user CSS file, 11 | Deselect user CSS file,
11
..
..
Checkbox22, 69503=Select user CSS file, 21 | Deselect user CSS file,
21

As you can see I just carried on incrementing that number 69494 which
you had in your last line.

This worked except that in the "customize" entries, my own CSS
stylesheets did not have any names. I had noticed that your
five digit numbers matched up with some additional entries I saw in
Opera6Def.ini's [Local CSS Files] section:

Translated name 1=69483
..
..
Translated name 12=69494

So I added my own similar entries to the opera6.ini in my profile
folder where I have got references to my own CSS files:

Translated name 13=69495
..
..
Translated name 21=69503

But unfortunately this method has not displayed the file names when I
go to the new "customize". Are the "translated name" numbers used
restricted to certain number ranges?

From:	Rijk van Geijtenbeek
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:19:46 +0100

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:51:54 GMT, Jane D wrote:

...

> As you can see I just carried on incrementing that number 69494 which
> you had in your last line.

That number refers to an entry in the language file. For additonal style sheets of your own, simple enter the name directly:

Checkbox12, "My style1"=Select user CSS file, 11 | Deselect user CSS file,
11
Checkbox13, "My style2"=Select user CSS file, 12 | Deselect user CSS file,
12

etc

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From:	Jane D
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:30:25 GMT

On 19 Jan 2005, Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:

>> Can I create a brand new panel in addition to the existing 9
>> panels already in Opera and put buttons on that panel for these
>> commands like you list?
>
> Nope. They need to be on a bona fide Opera toolbar somewhere. If
> you have toolbar you don't use, you could add the checkboxes
> there.

Rijk, I have found that I can add the CSS style buttons (which I have
been creating with your help here) on to an existing panel - in my
case the search panel. Am I messing something up which will only
become apparent to me later?

How can I create a panel which is like the search panel. If I use
"Add Panel" then I get a sort of open window in which things/data
appear. I want a blank gray screen a bit like a tool bar.

From:	Rijk van Geijtenbeek
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:56:17 +0100

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:30:25 GMT, Jane D wrote:

> On 19 Jan 2005, Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:
>
>>> Can I create a brand new panel in addition to the existing 9
>>> panels already in Opera and put buttons on that panel for these
>>> commands like you list?
>>
>> Nope. They need to be on a bona fide Opera toolbar somewhere. If
>> you have toolbar you don't use, you could add the checkboxes
>> there.
>
> Rijk, I have found that I can add the CSS style buttons (which I have
> been creating with your help here) on to an existing panel - in my
> case the search panel. Am I messing something up which will only
> become apparent to me later?

As with any toolbar customizing, there might come a time when a future version of Opera really changes an existing toolbar. Which might cause extra work for you at that moment. But apart from that, there is no risk. The search panel was exactly what these style checkboxes where made for.

> How can I create a panel which is like the search panel. If I use
> "Add Panel" then I get a sort of open window in which things/data
> appear. I want a blank gray screen a bit like a tool bar.

I'm sorry, that is not possible. Your custom panels are webpages, the location of which is stored in the bookmarks. Only the search panel is itself a toolbar where you can add buttons, search fields etc at will.

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From:	Jane D
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:02:21 GMT

>> How can I create a panel which is like the search panel. If I
>> use "Add Panel" then I get a sort of open window in which
>> things/data appear. I want a blank gray screen a bit like a
>> tool bar.

On 20 Jan 2005, Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, that is not possible. Your custom panels are
> webpages, the location of which is stored in the bookmarks. Only
> the search panel is itself a toolbar where you can add buttons,
> search fields etc at will.

My toolbars are already rather too full to take the extra entries I
want to put on them.

Is there a way to create either:

(1) an additional regular toolbar (like the Main Bar or Personal
Bar)?

or

(2) an additional panel (which is really a toolbar like the Search
Panel)?

From:	Rijk van Geijtenbeek
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:26:21 +0100

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:02:21 GMT, Jane D wrote:

...

> My toolbars are already rather too full to take the extra entries I
> want to put on them.
>
> Is there a way to create either:
>
> (1) an additional regular toolbar (like the Main Bar or Personal
> Bar)?

If you set one of your toolbars to 'Wrap to multiple lines', it will always have enough room... The toolbars that accept extra buttons etc:

- browser: main toolbar
- browser: status bar
- page: address bar
- page: navigation bar

In Opera 8 beta, there is also the additonal 'view bar' in pages.

> or
>
> (2) an additional panel (which is really a toolbar like the Search
> Panel)?

As I've said a few times, that is not possible :)

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From:	Jane D
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:37:10 GMT

On 22 Jan 2005, Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:

>> My toolbars are already rather too full to take the extra
>> entries I want to put on them.
>>
>> Is there a way to create either:
>>
>> (1) an additional regular toolbar (like the Main Bar or
>> Personal Bar)?
>
> If you set one of your toolbars to 'Wrap to multiple lines', it
> will always have enough room... The toolbars that accept extra
> buttons etc:
>
> - browser: main toolbar
> - browser: status bar
> - page: address bar
> - page: navigation bar
>
> In Opera 8 beta, there is also the additonal 'view bar' in
> pages.

>> or
>>
>> (2) an additional panel (which is really a toolbar like the
>> Search Panel)?
>
> As I've said a few times, that is not possible :)

Hey, I'm in denial! :-) I'm searching and searching for a way.
I am checking and cross-checking.

But I guess this really is the end. You have been very helpful and I
have learnt some very valuable things in this thread.

For the extra features I would like, I think I will be better off by
waiting for the next version to come out.

From:	Josef W. Segur
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:17:12 -0500

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:29:52 GMT, Jane D wrote:

>So I am trying to move the css file references to Opera6.ini in
>C:\(user)\Opera\Opera7\profile but they do not seem to work in
>Opera6.ini. I do not see the entries in the popup menu.

Use the About Opera screen from the Help menu. Note what file _is_
being used for Preferences and make the changes in that one.

--
Joe

From:	Matthew Winn
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:48:44 +0000 (UTC)

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:07:49 +0100, Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:
> I'm not sure why the UI designers decided to
> disable user style sheets by default in Author mode. Many of the included
> selectable user style sheet make most sense when applied on top of author
> styles.

I still think it was a mistake to have a single configuration option
to decide whether user stylesheets should be used in combination with
the site's stylesheets or instead of them. There should be something
in each user stylesheet to say whether it supplements the author's
stylesheet or replaces it.

--
Matthew Winn
[If replying by email remove the "r" from "urk"]

From:	Jane D
Subject:	Re: Visited link color on Google
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:58:03 GMT

On 16 Jan 2005, Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:14:13 GMT, Jane D
> wrote:
>
>> When using Google I find that the visited link color is a sort
>> of purple.
>
> This is because Google tells the browser so in it's stylesheet:
>
> a:visited,.fl:visited{color:#551a8b}

Ughh! What an ugly color scheme Google has chosen to use for its
visited links!

>
>> I don't properly understand this area of style sheets and what
>> settings in opera override what other settings so I have
>> gathered together here all the data I think which might be
>> relevant.
>>
>> For some reason I can't properly change the visited link color
>> in Google. If I use the My Link Style button in Page Style and
>> select a color, it seems to get ignored. Something is working,
>> though, because if I select strikethrough for visited links
>> then Google then I get to see a line struck through the visited
>> link name.
>
> The 'My link style' is the base style you choose, always to be
> overriden by author styling when you allow author styling. So if
> the page sets a color for links and visited links (using a
> stylesheet or html attributes), Opera's settings will be
> ignored. If the page stylesheet sets a value for
> 'text-decoration' (underline, no underline, strike-through,
> blink), Opera's setting for undeline and strike-though will be
> ignored.

Aha! That's important. Why isn't that sort of thing explained
somewhere on the Opera website?

>> I view Google using Author Mode and this is set as follows:
>>
>> Page Style Sheet - set to author's
>> Page Fonts & Colors - set to author's
>> My Style sheet - NO
>> My fonts and colors - NO
>> My link style - YES
>>
>> Other pages work as I want them to (and they use my chosen
>> visited link color) but not Google.
>
> But on many pages your chosen visited link color will not show.
>
>> I have also got this for User Mode.
>>
>> Page Style Sheet - blank
>> Page Fonts & Colors - blank
>> My Style sheet - YES
>> My fonts and colors - YES
>> My link style - YES
>>
>> If I switch to User Mode then, yes, I get what I want for the
>> link color in Google but the rest of my preferred formatting
>> for most web paes is rather poor for Google!
>>
>> My style sheet contains only this:
>>
>> a:visited
>> {
>> color:#CC3333 !important;
>> # background-color:#FFFFFF !important;
>> }
>>
>>
>>
>> As I said before ... try as I might, and I have tried, I don't
>> properly understand this area of style sheets and what settings
>> in opera override what other settings. Can anyone suggest what
>> is going on regarding Google's visited link color in my case?
>
> Enable 'my style sheet' in author mode as well, and you'll see
> the color of visited links will always be #cc3333.

Oh Jeeze, Rijk, it works. I thought I had tried almost every
combination for those checkboxes. Thank you.

> Which might
> be a problem when the page you visit accidentally has a
> background color of #cc3333. So you better remove that # (which
> is not a valid comment marker in CSS btw) to always get a white
> background color.
>
> Personally I'd use this in a user stylesheet:
>
> a:visited
> {
> text-decoration: line-through !important;
> }
>
> Because it never interferes with the color scheme of sites.
>