Hello all

In the server name completion I use the prefix www but it doesn't work on
something other than .com

for example if in the adress bar I type "sfr" I get to "www.sfr.com" but
if i type "sfr.fr" I dont get to "www.sfr.fr" but to an error page saying
that http://sfr.fr does not exist.

I know that http://sfr.fr does not exist but why doesn't opera try the
prefix "www" to get me to "www.sfr.fr" ?

Thanks for the help.

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From:	Danny at Kendal
Subject:	Re: problem with prefixes
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:01:07 -0000

"Txl" wrote in message
news:opskdwlln5arkwbw@news.free.fr...
> Hello all
>
> In the server name completion I use the prefix www but it doesn't work on
> something other than .com
>
> for example if in the adress bar I type "sfr" I get to "www.sfr.com" but
> if i type "sfr.fr" I dont get to "www.sfr.fr" but to an error page saying
> that http://sfr.fr does not exist.
>
> I know that http://sfr.fr does not exist but why doesn't opera try the
> prefix "www" to get me to "www.sfr.fr" ?

The following is cut-n-pasted from the Opera7.54 help files.

======================

SERVER NAME COMPLETION
When you enter a single word (e.g. "opera") in Opera's address field, Opera
will:
1) Look for a bookmark nicknamed "opera"
2) Look for a computer in your local network called "opera"
3) Add prefixes (e.g. "www") and suffixes (e.g. "com") and look up
"www.opera.com"
Tip: You can enter comma-separated lists of prefixes and suffixes.
Note: It takes time to try multiple combinations, so turn this feature off
for faster browsing.

From:	Txl
Subject:	Re: problem with prefixes
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:41:15 +0100

Thanks for the help,

Still it won't work, so the question remains, I have entered www in the
prefix zone and if I type "sfr.fr" it won't get me to "www.sfr.fr"

Is there a fix or a workaround ?

Thanks

> "Txl" wrote in message
> news:opskdwlln5arkwbw@news.free.fr...
>> Hello all
>>
>> In the server name completion I use the prefix www but it doesn't work
>> on
>> something other than .com
>>
>> for example if in the adress bar I type "sfr" I get to "www.sfr.com" but
>> if i type "sfr.fr" I dont get to "www.sfr.fr" but to an error page
>> saying
>> that http://sfr.fr does not exist.
>>
>> I know that http://sfr.fr does not exist but why doesn't opera try the
>> prefix "www" to get me to "www.sfr.fr" ?
>
> The following is cut-n-pasted from the Opera7.54 help files.
>
> ======================
>
> SERVER NAME COMPLETION
> When you enter a single word (e.g. "opera") in Opera's address field,
> Opera
> will:
> 1) Look for a bookmark nicknamed "opera"
> 2) Look for a computer in your local network called "opera"
> 3) Add prefixes (e.g. "www") and suffixes (e.g. "com") and look up
> "www.opera.com"
> Tip: You can enter comma-separated lists of prefixes and suffixes.
> Note: It takes time to try multiple combinations, so turn this feature
> off
> for faster browsing.
>
>

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From:	Steve Pugh
Subject:	Re: problem with prefixes
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:56:18 +0000

Txl wrote:

>Still it won't work, so the question remains, I have entered www in the
>prefix zone and if I type "sfr.fr" it won't get me to "www.sfr.fr"
>
>Is there a fix or a workaround ?

Add fr as a possible suffix in Opera's preferences
Don't type sfr.fr, type sfr
Opera will look for www.sfr.com first and then www.sfr.fr (unless you
put fr ahead of com in the preferences)

Or ask the webmaster at sfr.com to sort out their zone file so
requests without the www resolve.

Steve

From:	Txl
Subject:	Re: problem with prefixes
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:08:36 +0100

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:56:18 +0000, Steve Pugh wrote:

> Txl wrote:
>
>> Still it won't work, so the question remains, I have entered www in the
>> prefix zone and if I type "sfr.fr" it won't get me to "www.sfr.fr"
>>
>> Is there a fix or a workaround ?
>
> Add fr as a possible suffix in Opera's preferences
> Don't type sfr.fr, type sfr
> Opera will look for www.sfr.com first and then www.sfr.fr (unless you
> put fr ahead of com in the preferences)
>
> Or ask the webmaster at sfr.com to sort out their zone file so
> requests without the www resolve.
>
> Steve
>

fr is already on my suffix list and it still won't work unless I put the
fr before the com in the suffix list, the problem with this site is that
there is ALSO an "www.sfr.com" on top of the "www.sfr.fr" so i wanted
opera to find "www.sfr.fr" while entereing only "sfr.fr"

The next problem is that this site is the 2ng bigger mobile phone company
in france so i doubt VERY much they would listen to my complain about
their zone file, it's already a good thing it works quite OK with opera so
let's not ask for too much...

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From:	Danny at Kendal
Subject:	Re: problem with prefixes
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:32:47 -0000

"Txl" wrote in message
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> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:56:18 +0000, Steve Pugh wrote:
>
> > Txl wrote:
> >
> >> Still it won't work, so the question remains, I have entered www in the
> >> prefix zone and if I type "sfr.fr" it won't get me to "www.sfr.fr"
> >>
> >> Is there a fix or a workaround ?
> >
> > Add fr as a possible suffix in Opera's preferences
> > Don't type sfr.fr, type sfr
> > Opera will look for www.sfr.com first and then www.sfr.fr (unless you
> > put fr ahead of com in the preferences)
> >
> > Or ask the webmaster at sfr.com to sort out their zone file so
> > requests without the www resolve.
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
> fr is already on my suffix list and it still won't work unless I put the
> fr before the com in the suffix list, the problem with this site is that
> there is ALSO an "www.sfr.com" on top of the "www.sfr.fr" so i wanted
> opera to find "www.sfr.fr" while entereing only "sfr.fr"
>
> The next problem is that this site is the 2ng bigger mobile phone company
> in france so i doubt VERY much they would listen to my complain about
> their zone file, it's already a good thing it works quite OK with opera so
> let's not ask for too much...

Create a bookmark to www.sfr.fr and give it the nickname of 'sfr'
That takes priority over the prefix and suffix list.

Because sfr.fr could possibly be a real web address it'd be bad form if
Opera automatically prefixed it with www. Also it's a lot of effort to avoid
typing "www." in front of each address.

From:	Matthew Winn
Subject:	Re: problem with prefixes
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:52:17 +0000 (UTC)

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:08:36 +0100, Txl wrote:
> The next problem is that this site is the 2ng bigger mobile phone company
> in france so i doubt VERY much they would listen to my complain about
> their zone file,

There's no reason why they should, as they've done nothing wrong.
There's nothing that says every domain must resolve to an IP address,
and though some companies do put an A record against their highest
level domain they're certainly not doing anything wrong by not doing
it.

The best solution is to get used to typing "www.". With practice most
people will be able to type those four characters faster than Opera
can do a DNS lookup (unless the DNS results are cached locally).

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From:	Lee Harvey
Subject:	Re: problem with prefixes
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:02:28 -0500

Txl wrote:
> Still it won't work, so the question remains, I have entered www in
> the prefix zone and if I type "sfr.fr" it won't get me to "www.sfr.fr"
>
> Is there a fix or a workaround ?

Goto Preferences> Network> Server name completion> then enter "fr,com" (sans
quotes) in the Suffixes list -- and leave the Prefixes list alone (www).
Also, ensure the "Try name completion" setting is checked ON. When
finished, press OK, Apply, OK.

The next time you enter "sfr" into Opera's address field, Opera should find
www.sfr.fr. Likewise, if you enter "opera", Opera will find www.opera.com

HTH

From:	Txl
Subject:	Re: problem with prefixes
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:06:08 +0100

Ok, it's a good trick since you're searching the .fr before the .com so
now it "works".

but why can't opera JUST search for a prefix if the suffix is included ?

For the record I still cant make him find "www.sfr.fr" when I enter
"sfr.fr", and the problem is that there is also and "www.sfr.com" that is
the international site which i don't care about.

It's good that opera searches for suffixes but it should know that if the
suffix is already typed there is only need to search for a prefix, at
least makes sense to me especially in the easy situation where the site
without prefix does not exist.

Thanks

> Txl wrote:
>> Still it won't work, so the question remains, I have entered www in
>> the prefix zone and if I type "sfr.fr" it won't get me to "www.sfr.fr"
>>
>> Is there a fix or a workaround ?
>
> Goto Preferences> Network> Server name completion> then enter "fr,com"
> (sans
> quotes) in the Suffixes list -- and leave the Prefixes list alone (www).
> Also, ensure the "Try name completion" setting is checked ON. When
> finished, press OK, Apply, OK.
>
> The next time you enter "sfr" into Opera's address field, Opera should
> find
> www.sfr.fr. Likewise, if you enter "opera", Opera will find
> www.opera.com
>
> HTH
>
>

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From:	Chris Game
Subject:	Re: problem with prefixes
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:30:37 +0000

Txl wrote:

> but why can't opera JUST search for a prefix if the suffix is
> included ?

O. probably can't work out for sure whether it's a suffix or
something in the middle of the fully qualified domain name. Although
it could guess, of course.

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From:	Richard Grevers
Subject:	Re: problem with prefixes
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:13:45 +1300

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:06:08 +0100, Txl wrote:

> Ok, it's a good trick since you're searching the .fr before the .com so
> now it "works".
>
> but why can't opera JUST search for a prefix if the suffix is included ?
>
Opera has to assume that if you type a . then you are entering a complete
domain name. Otherwise it would screw up a lot of things for users who
mainly use cc.tlds which have 2nd level suffixes. (e.g. .com.au vs .com)

IOW, if you type a ., server name completion is disabled.
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From:	Steve Pugh
Subject:	Re: problem with prefixes
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:36:26 +0000

Txl wrote:

>Ok, it's a good trick since you're searching the .fr before the .com so
>now it "works".
>
>but why can't opera JUST search for a prefix if the suffix is included ?

Because Opera doesn't know that it isn't a complete address.

'foo' must be incomplete (or a local resource) but 'foo.bar' could be
either a complete addresss or part of an incomplete address.

There is an domain name fr.com and it could in theory have a
sub-domain called sfr. So www.sfr.fr.com could in theory be a web
site. Would you like Opera to take you there when you type sfr.fr? No,
of course you wouldn't.

Steve

From:	Txl
Subject:	Re: problem with prefixes
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:38:20 +0100

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:36:26 +0000, Steve Pugh wrote:

> Txl wrote:
>
>> Ok, it's a good trick since you're searching the .fr before the .com so
>> now it "works".
>>
>> but why can't opera JUST search for a prefix if the suffix is included ?
>
> Because Opera doesn't know that it isn't a complete address.
>
> 'foo' must be incomplete (or a local resource) but 'foo.bar' could be
> either a complete addresss or part of an incomplete address.
>
> There is an domain name fr.com and it could in theory have a
> sub-domain called sfr. So www.sfr.fr.com could in theory be a web
> site. Would you like Opera to take you there when you type sfr.fr? No,
> of course you wouldn't.
>
> Steve
>

Then what is the use of the "prefix" setting if it's not even TRYING ?

I know i can make a bookmark, type the www and so on, but what is the USE
of the setting since it appears to do nothing if it's not on .com (or the
first suffix you choose to include on your list)

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From:	Steve Pugh
Subject:	Re: problem with prefixes
Date:	Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:50:32 +0000

Txl wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:36:26 +0000, Steve Pugh wrote:
>> Txl wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, it's a good trick since you're searching the .fr before the .com so
>>> now it "works".
>>>
>>> but why can't opera JUST search for a prefix if the suffix is included ?
>>
>> Because Opera doesn't know that it isn't a complete address.
>>
>> 'foo' must be incomplete (or a local resource) but 'foo.bar' could be
>> either a complete addresss or part of an incomplete address.
>>
>> There is an domain name fr.com and it could in theory have a
>> sub-domain called sfr. So www.sfr.fr.com could in theory be a web
>> site. Would you like Opera to take you there when you type sfr.fr? No,
>> of course you wouldn't.
>
>Then what is the use of the "prefix" setting if it's not even TRYING ?

It will try if you type a single word instead of a URL.

>I know i can make a bookmark, type the www and so on, but what is the USE
>of the setting since it appears to do nothing if it's not on .com (or the
>first suffix you choose to include on your list)

It will try _all_ the suffixes and _all_ the prefixes in your list
until it finds ones that work, but only if you just type one word.

If you type a URL then it uses the URL. sfr.fr is a URL, not Opera's
fault if it's a URL that doesn't resolve to a web site.

Steve