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 | | From: | Danila Medvedev | | Subject: | Frame Maximize - I want it back! | | Date: | Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:18:54 +0300 |
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 | Why was Frame/Maximize command removed from the context menu? There is
still Open, but Open [re]loads the page, taking more time than needed.
When the frame is loaded, I don't want Opera to spend that time, just get
rid of the rest of the page and display the frame!
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Best regards,
Danila mailto:danila.medvedev@mail.ru
Today, through the accelerating pace of technological development
and scientific understanding, we are entering a whole new stage
in the history of the human species.
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| | From: | Rijk van Geijtenbeek | | Subject: | Re: Frame Maximize - I want it back! | | Date: | Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:33:56 +0100 |
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| On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:18:54 +0300, Danila Medvedev wrote:
> Why was Frame/Maximize command removed from the context menu? There is
> still Open, but Open [re]loads the page, taking more time than needed.
> When the frame is loaded, I don't want Opera to spend that time, just
> get rid of the rest of the page and display the frame!
It is just a change is name, the option does exactly what it did in Opera
7.5.
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The Web is a procrastination apparatus: | Rijk van Geijtenbeek
It can absorb as much time as | Documentation & QA
is required to ensure that you | Opera Software ASA
won't get any real work done. - J.Nielsen
|http://my.opera.com/Rijk/journal
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| | From: | Danila Medvedev | | Subject: | Re: Frame Maximize - I want it back! | | Date: | Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:43:04 +0300 |
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| On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:33:56 +0100, Rijk van Geijtenbeek
wrote:
>> Why was Frame/Maximize command removed from the context menu? There is
>> still Open, but Open [re]loads the page, taking more time than needed.
>> When the frame is loaded, I don't want Opera to spend that time, just
>> get rid of the rest of the page and display the frame!
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> It is just a change is name, the option does exactly what it did in
> Opera 7.5.
Opera now loads the frame, not just redisplays it. It seems to check
something online, because on most pages (the more images they have, the
longer it takes) it takes more time than it used to (a few seconds). So
clearly it's not just a name change, it's taking a good feature and
breaking it (as Opera usually does with each new version).
--
Best regards,
Danila mailto:danila.medvedev@mail.ru
Today, through the accelerating pace of technological development
and scientific understanding, we are entering a whole new stage
in the history of the human species.
http://www.transhumanism.org/resources/faq.html
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| | From: | Rijk van Geijtenbeek | | Subject: | Re: Frame Maximize - I want it back! | | Date: | Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:53:54 +0100 |
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| On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:43:04 +0300, Danila Medvedev wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:33:56 +0100, Rijk van Geijtenbeek
> wrote:
>
>>> Why was Frame/Maximize command removed from the context menu? There is
>>> still Open, but Open [re]loads the page, taking more time than needed.
>>> When the frame is loaded, I don't want Opera to spend that time, just
>>> get rid of the rest of the page and display the frame!
>>
>> It is just a change is name, the option does exactly what it did in
>> Opera 7.5.
> Opera now loads the frame, not just redisplays it. It seems to check
> something online, because on most pages (the more images they have, the
> longer it takes) it takes more time than it used to (a few seconds). So
> clearly it's not just a name change, it's taking a good feature and
> breaking it (as Opera usually does with each new version).
If you look at 'standard_menu.ini', you'll find that the same action is
performed as in 7.54. Maybe this has to do with the changed support for
'must_revalidate' http headers? Can you try with different framesets?
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The Web is a procrastination apparatus: | Rijk van Geijtenbeek
It can absorb as much time as | Documentation & QA
is required to ensure that you | Opera Software ASA
won't get any real work done. - J.Nielsen
|http://my.opera.com/Rijk/journal
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| | From: | Danila Medvedev | | Subject: | Re: Frame Maximize - I want it back! | | Date: | Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:50:35 +0300 |
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| >>>> Why was Frame/Maximize command removed from the context menu? There
>>>> is still Open, but Open [re]loads the page, taking more time than
>>>> needed. When the frame is loaded, I don't want Opera to spend that
>>>> time, just get rid of the rest of the page and display the frame!
>>>
>>> It is just a change is name, the option does exactly what it did in
>>> Opera 7.5.
>
>> Opera now loads the frame, not just redisplays it. It seems to check
>> something online, because on most pages (the more images they have, the
>> longer it takes) it takes more time than it used to (a few seconds). So
>> clearly it's not just a name change, it's taking a good feature and
>> breaking it (as Opera usually does with each new version).
>
> If you look at 'standard_menu.ini', you'll find that the same action is
> performed as in 7.54. Maybe this has to do with the changed support for
> 'must_revalidate' http headers? Can you try with different framesets?
I think it's the same everywhere, even here
http://wp.netscape.com/assist/net_sites/example1-NF.html
And on pages with more images it obviously takes more time. And on a slow
connection it takes even more time. And on a busy slow connection with
more images it's pretty obvious that Opera Software changed something
besides the name.
I do realise that it's the "same" command, the problem is that "the same
command" was changed itself.
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Best regards,
Danila mailto:danila.medvedev@mail.ru
Today, through the accelerating pace of technological development
and scientific understanding, we are entering a whole new stage
in the history of the human species.
http://www.transhumanism.org/resources/faq.html
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| | From: | Al C. | | Subject: | Re: Frame Maximize - I want it back! | | Date: | Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:17:29 +0000 (UTC) |
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| "Danila Medvedev" wrote in
news:opskihqlolnpqeov@news.opera.com:
>>>>> Why was Frame/Maximize command removed from the context menu?
>>>>> There is still Open, but Open [re]loads the page, taking more
>>>>> time than needed. When the frame is loaded, I don't want Opera to
>>>>> spend that time, just get rid of the rest of the page and display
>>>>> the frame!
>>>>
>>>> It is just a change is name, the option does exactly what it did in
>>>> Opera 7.5.
>>
>>> Opera now loads the frame, not just redisplays it. It seems to check
>>> something online, because on most pages (the more images they have,
>>> the longer it takes) it takes more time than it used to (a few
>>> seconds). So clearly it's not just a name change, it's taking a
>>> good feature and breaking it (as Opera usually does with each new
>>> version).
>>
>> If you look at 'standard_menu.ini', you'll find that the same action
>> is performed as in 7.54. Maybe this has to do with the changed
>> support for 'must_revalidate' http headers? Can you try with
>> different framesets?
>
> I think it's the same everywhere, even here
> http://wp.netscape.com/assist/net_sites/example1-NF.html
>
> And on pages with more images it obviously takes more time. And on a
> slow connection it takes even more time. And on a busy slow
> connection with more images it's pretty obvious that Opera Software
> changed something besides the name.
>
> I do realise that it's the "same" command, the problem is that "the
> same command" was changed itself.
>
I tried the netscape frameset page while monitoring the log window in
proxomitron and I saw no evidence that frame-open (or frame-open in new
window) makes any call to the server. Frame-reload does.
My 2 cents.
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| | From: | Alex Shaduri | | Subject: | Re: Frame Maximize - I want it back! | | Date: | Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:10:04 +0300 |
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I totally agree with you!
Maximize frame is the feature I really miss from 7.54 days.
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| | From: | Gunnar | | Subject: | Re: Frame Maximize - I want it back! | | Date: | Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:51:36 +0100 |
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| On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:18:54 +0300, Danila Medvedev =
wrote:
> Why was Frame/Maximize command removed from the context menu? There is=
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> still Open, but Open [re]loads the page, taking more time than needed.=
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> When the frame is loaded, I don't want Opera to spend that time, just =
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> get rid of the rest of the page and display the frame!
I changed mous gesture "GestureDown" from "Open link in new page" to
"Open link in new page | Maximize frame". This means, if you are _not_ o=
n
a link, GestureDown will maximize frame, otherwise open link in new page=
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Gunnar
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