why is it that coke is cheaper than water?

and in bars, beer is cheaper than coke?

surely there is more processing in coke than water, and beer than coke?

From:	Dave - Dave.net.nz
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:03:40 +1300

Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:

> why is it that coke is cheaper than water?
>
> and in bars, beer is cheaper than coke?
>
>
> surely there is more processing in coke than water, and beer than coke?

oh yeah, what prompted this
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005012148,00.html
a line of cocaine cheaper than a cup coffee... and it would probably
wake you up more.

From:	Collector»NZ
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:54:41 +1300

Dave - Dave.net.nz said the following on 11/01/2005 12:00 p.m.:
> why is it that coke is cheaper than water?
>
> and in bars, beer is cheaper than coke?
>
>
> surely there is more processing in coke than water, and beer than coke?
Try petrol and milk, one imported one local go figure 8-)

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From:	Mike Diack
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:16:56 GMT

Collector»NZ wrote in
news:34gj48F49d8k9U1@individual.net:

> Dave - Dave.net.nz said the following on 11/01/2005 12:00 p.m.:
>> why is it that coke is cheaper than water?
>>
>> and in bars, beer is cheaper than coke?
>>
>>
>> surely there is more processing in coke than water, and beer than
>> coke?
> Try petrol and milk, one imported one local go figure 8-)
>

I did - the car crapped out and the coffee tasted awful.
The milk thing really ****es me off
When the dollar is low, the price of milk goes up because Fonterra
reckon its a globally traded commodity (like oil)
When the dollar goes up - the price of milk.....stays the same or goes
up. Anyone got a spare cow ?
M

From:	Kent Smith
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:28:01 +1300

Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
> why is it that coke is cheaper than water?
>
> and in bars, beer is cheaper than coke?
>
>
> surely there is more processing in coke than water, and beer than
> coke?

A few years ago (early 90s perhaps) I remember it was common for bars to
serve free non-alcoholic drinks. It was as a service to 'designated
drivers'. Haven't seen this for a while.

-KENT

From:	Dave - Dave.net.nz
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:52:38 +1300

Kent Smith wrote:
> A few years ago (early 90s perhaps) I remember it was common for bars to
> serve free non-alcoholic drinks. It was as a service to 'designated
> drivers'. Haven't seen this for a while.

They still do it in a few Dunedin bars, and a few Auckland ones last
time I was up there... it is a great service, and I always make sure
that if Im not driving, we stop by those ones.

From:	James West
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:46:11 -0800

"Dave - Dave.net.nz" wrote in message
news:34giq6F4acbvrU1@individual.net...
> Kent Smith wrote:
>> A few years ago (early 90s perhaps) I remember it was common for bars to
>> serve free non-alcoholic drinks. It was as a service to 'designated
>> drivers'. Haven't seen this for a while.
>
> They still do it in a few Dunedin bars, and a few Auckland ones last time
> I was up there... it is a great service, and I always make sure that if Im
> not driving, we stop by those ones.

which Auckland bars do this

it's good to know?

J

From:	Robert Singers
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	13 Jan 2005 23:02:09 +1300

Out from under a rock popped James West and said

> it's good to know?

Is that an existential question?

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From:	Dave - Dave.net.nz
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:59:58 +1300

James West wrote:
>>>A few years ago (early 90s perhaps) I remember it was common for bars to
>>>serve free non-alcoholic drinks. It was as a service to 'designated
>>>drivers'. Haven't seen this for a while.

>>They still do it in a few Dunedin bars, and a few Auckland ones last time
>>I was up there... it is a great service, and I always make sure that if Im
>>not driving, we stop by those ones.

> which Auckland bars do this?
> it's good to know

I havent been in Auckland for 3 years... and my memory o nights out are
a little hazy shall we say... I could point them out once I had beer
goggles, fly me up and we'll get together and I'll show you.

From:	Roger Johnstone
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	13 Jan 2005 11:16:18 GMT

In Robert Singers wrote:
> Out from under a rock popped James West and said
>
>> it's good to know?
>
> Is that an existential question?

Or a spelling mistake. 'It's good too, no?'

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From:	Robert Singers
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	11 Jan 2005 20:37:53 +1300

Out from under a rock popped Dave - Dave.net.nz and said

> why is it that coke is cheaper than water?

In bars or just generally bottled? Bars aren't allowed by law to charge
for water. if they say it's a service charge the best thing to do is tell
them to stick it and have a chat with the cops.

> and in bars, beer is cheaper than coke?

It's a rip. The ingrediants cost about 2c per litre. On tap both are
using the same amount of CO2

> surely there is more processing in coke than water, and beer than coke?

I would say that the labour and ingredient costs to produce coke and beer
are probably probably similiar.

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From:	froggy
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:37:36 +1300

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:37:53 +1300, Robert Singers wrote:

> Out from under a rock popped Dave - Dave.net.nz and said
>
>> why is it that coke is cheaper than water?
>
> In bars or just generally bottled? Bars aren't allowed by law to charge
> for water. if they say it's a service charge the best thing to do is tell
> them to stick it and have a chat with the cops.
>
>> and in bars, beer is cheaper than coke?
>
> It's a rip. The ingrediants cost about 2c per litre. On tap both are
> using the same amount of CO2
>
>> surely there is more processing in coke than water, and beer than coke?
>
> I would say that the labour and ingredient costs to produce coke and beer
> are probably probably similiar.
I was under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that coke wasnt 'made' in
nz.. rather the syrup was imported.. and something akin to a soda stream
machine mixed that with CO2 and water

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From:	Nomon Damad
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:25:57 +1300

On , , Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:37:36 +1300, Re: liquid pricing,
froggy wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:37:53 +1300, Robert Singers wrote:
>
>> Out from under a rock popped Dave - Dave.net.nz and said
>>
>>> why is it that coke is cheaper than water?
>>
>> In bars or just generally bottled? Bars aren't allowed by law to charge
>> for water. if they say it's a service charge the best thing to do is tell
>> them to stick it and have a chat with the cops.
>>
>>> and in bars, beer is cheaper than coke?
>>
>> It's a rip. The ingrediants cost about 2c per litre. On tap both are
>> using the same amount of CO2
>>
>>> surely there is more processing in coke than water, and beer than coke?
>>
>> I would say that the labour and ingredient costs to produce coke and beer
>> are probably probably similiar.
>I was under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that coke wasnt 'made' in
>nz.. rather the syrup was imported.. and something akin to a soda stream
>machine mixed that with CO2 and water

The syrup was imported in two parts, separately. It was mixed at
each local factory before being mixed with the sugared water
before it was put in bottles and carbonated.
I have no idea what happens now, the method I describe was what
happened 30 years ago.

From:	Robert Singers
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	11 Jan 2005 20:59:11 +1300

Out from under a rock popped froggy and said

>> I would say that the labour and ingredient costs to produce coke and
>> beer are probably probably similiar.

> I was under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that coke wasnt 'made'
> in nz.. rather the syrup was imported.. and something akin to a soda
> stream machine mixed that with CO2 and water

and?

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From:	Richard
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:35:12 +1300

Robert Singers wrote:

>>I was under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that coke wasnt 'made'
>>in nz.. rather the syrup was imported.. and something akin to a soda
>>stream machine mixed that with CO2 and water
>
>
> and?

It should be cheaper since they get to use cheap north american labour ;)

From:	froggy
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:11:07 +1300

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:59:11 +1300, Robert Singers wrote:

> Out from under a rock popped froggy and said
>
>>> I would say that the labour and ingredient costs to produce coke and
>>> beer are probably probably similiar.
>
>> I was under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that coke wasnt 'made'
>> in nz.. rather the syrup was imported.. and something akin to a soda
>> stream machine mixed that with CO2 and water
>
> and?
and doesnt that lower labour costs on a per item basis as compared to the
brewing process(es) used by New Zealand breweries?

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From:	Robert Singers
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	11 Jan 2005 21:41:28 +1300

Out from under a rock popped froggy and said

>>> I was under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that coke wasnt 'made'
>>> in nz.. rather the syrup was imported.. and something akin to a soda
>>> stream machine mixed that with CO2 and water
>>
>> and?
>
> and doesnt that lower labour costs on a per item basis as compared to
> the brewing process(es) used by New Zealand breweries?

and what if they're drinking imported beer?

It's really a moot point. Both industries run at such a high level of
efficiency that there's not likely to be any real difference when you
adjust for currencies.

Now if you were talking about a Belgian theme bar and lambics then the
production cost differential would start to get interesting.

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From:	Andrew Dixon
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:32:58 +1300

Robert Singers wrote:
> Out from under a rock popped Dave - Dave.net.nz and said
>
>
>>why is it that coke is cheaper than water?
>
>
> In bars or just generally bottled? Bars aren't allowed by law to charge
> for water. if they say it's a service charge the best thing to do is tell
> them to stick it and have a chat with the cops.

Yes they are. Or at least according to ALAC they are.

From:	Robert Singers
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	17 Jan 2005 19:46:04 +1300

Out from under a rock popped Andrew Dixon and said

>> In bars or just generally bottled? Bars aren't allowed by law to
>> charge for water. if they say it's a service charge the best thing
>> to do is tell them to stick it and have a chat with the cops.
>
> Yes they are. Or at least according to ALAC they are.

Got a link or something?

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From:	Andrew Dixon
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:40:03 +1300

Robert Singers wrote:
> Out from under a rock popped Andrew Dixon and said
>
>
>>>In bars or just generally bottled? Bars aren't allowed by law to
>>>charge for water. if they say it's a service charge the best thing
>>>to do is tell them to stick it and have a chat with the cops.
>>
>>Yes they are. Or at least according to ALAC they are.
>
>
> Got a link or something?
>

http://www.alac.org.nz/LiquorLicenseInfo.aspx?PostingID=748

Last question at the bottom.

From:	Robert Singers
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	18 Jan 2005 10:02:16 +1300

Out from under a rock popped Andrew Dixon and said

> http://www.alac.org.nz/LiquorLicenseInfo.aspx?PostingID=748
>
> Last question at the bottom.

Thanks. I wonder when the law changed.

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From:	Andrew Dixon
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:04:38 +1300

Robert Singers wrote:
> Out from under a rock popped Andrew Dixon and said
>
>
>>http://www.alac.org.nz/LiquorLicenseInfo.aspx?PostingID=748
>>
>>Last question at the bottom.
>
>
> Thanks. I wonder when the law changed.
>

Dunno, but I think that most places that are keen on not pissing off
their customers provide free water. It's generally just the big clubs
that charge for water, from what I've seen, supposedly because they tend
to get a significant portion of their "customers" not drinking, ie. just
going to the club to dance/take drugs etc.

From:	Dave - Dave.net.nz
Subject:	Re: liquid pricing
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:59:05 +1300

Andrew Dixon wrote:
>>>> In bars or just generally bottled? Bars aren't allowed by law to
>>>> charge for water.

>>> Yes they are. Or at least according to ALAC they are.

>> Got a link or something?

> http://www.alac.org.nz/LiquorLicenseInfo.aspx?PostingID=748
> Last question at the bottom.

Interesting... oh well, I drink at bars that give "free" water anyway. :)