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Destiny Church vows to defy bridge march ban
22 January 2005
By DANYA LEVY

Destiny Church last night vowed its "Defend the Legacy" march, expected to
draw 20,000 followers, would cross the Auckland Harbour Bridge despite its
application being declined by police and Transit New Zealand.

"We did not launch this event lightly and have no intention of cancelling
it," Defend the Legacy spokesman Pastor Andrew Stock said.
The March 5 event was launched following the Government's passing of the
Civil Union Bill last year.
The date had been selected following consultation with Auckland City Council
to provide minimal inconvenience to the public and city infrastructure, he
said.
Civic authorities had three months' notice to help facilitate the march.
"We have done everything within our power to do things right by the
authorities," Mr Stock said in a statement.
"The issues we are marching for are close to the heart of many New
Zealanders who uphold traditional family values and respect the institution
of marriage."
Destiny followers had "every right" to march in a peaceful and respectful
manner" Mr Stock said.
The event was gathering momentum and recently gained the support of 20 South
Auckland Pacific Island churches whose members would march alongside church
members from around the country.
Last year's hikoi in protest to the Foreshore and Seabed Bill had been
facilitated by authorities at short notice and without the level of
consultation Destiny Church had undertaken, he said.
However, the officer in charge of Auckland motorways, Inspector Dave Walker,
said yesterday police had facilitated the hikoi last April as a matter of
"keeping the peace" in order to avoid an invasion of the carriageway.
"This was done after discussions with Transit engineering staff and other
experts, keeping in mind that hikoi numbers were only about 10 per cent of
the numbers proposed by Destiny."
Transit had raised safety concerns when the hikoi crossed the bridge last
April because the compounding effect of many feet hitting the road surface
at the same time can cause bridges to collapse.
The army has long been aware of the potential for damage and always orders
its soldiers to "break step" when marching over a bridge.
The march was scheduled for a Saturday when 160,000 vehicles crossed the
bridge throughout the day and peak weekend traffic flowed from 9am to 5pm,
Mr Walker said.
It would be a "nightmare" for Auckland's motorway network and cause "certain
gridlock" if 20,000 people crossed the bridge, he said.
"There are massive logistical problems with assembling such a group and the
impact on the rest of the community and road users has to be considered."
The bridge was not designed for pedestrian use and there was potential for
structural impact, he said.
"A march such as this attracts people who just want to walk on the bridge,
so it is difficult to control numbers which then becomes a safety and
structural issue."
Transit had declined other events using the bridge, including a fun run
involving 5000 people, Mr Walker said.
Police did not expect Destiny Church followers to put their lives and the
lives of others at risk by unauthorised walking over the bridge and there
was time for march organisers to develop an alternative route, Mr Walker
said.

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From:	Lugnut
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:06:28 +1300

"Eeyan" wrote in message
news:csrk87$5rc$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
>
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3163498a10,00.html
>
>
> Destiny Church vows to defy bridge march ban
> 22 January 2005
> By DANYA LEVY
> [Snip]
> the compounding effect of many feet hitting the road surface at the same
> time can cause bridges to collapse.
>[Snip]
Hell, Let em do it.

From:	Dave Joll
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:00:37 +1300

"Eeyan" wrote

> Destiny Church last night vowed its "Defend the Legacy" march, expected to
> draw 20,000 followers, would cross the Auckland Harbour Bridge despite its
> application being declined by police and Transit New Zealand.

So... if Brian TAMAKI isn't Maori, then what is he?

Apart from a worthless bigot, but that's already common knowledge.

From:	George.com
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:46:46 +1300

"Dave Joll" wrote in message
news:css2aj$gda$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> "Eeyan" wrote
>
> > Destiny Church last night vowed its "Defend the Legacy" march, expected
to
> > draw 20,000 followers, would cross the Auckland Harbour Bridge despite
its
> > application being declined by police and Transit New Zealand.
>
> So... if Brian TAMAKI isn't Maori, then what is he?
>
> Apart from a worthless bigot, but that's already common knowledge.

If the Lord is with Tamaki, and that can be debated, I expect he may be able
to walk across the harbour without using the bridge. He could try anyway
(although he won't be walking, he'll be on his motorbike).

rob

From:	Gurble
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:39:41 +1300

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:00:37 +1300, "Dave Joll"
had this to say:

>"Eeyan" wrote
>
>> Destiny Church last night vowed its "Defend the Legacy" march, expected to
>> draw 20,000 followers, would cross the Auckland Harbour Bridge despite its
>> application being declined by police and Transit New Zealand.
>
>So... if Brian TAMAKI isn't Maori, then what is he?
>
>Apart from a worthless bigot, but that's already common knowledge.
>
It doesn't matter if he's a bigot.

It doesn't matter if you or I disagree with what he has to say.

The fact is, he has the complete right to say it, and should be
extended the same liberties as that crappy wee hikoi, or whatever they
call it.

The fight to be allowed to cross the bridge is almost akin to a fight
for their liberties, and their right to free speech.

I disagree with a lot of what they say, and strongly disagree with how
they say it. However, I would fight to the death for their right to
say it.

From:	Tilly
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:56:12 +1300

Gurble wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:00:37 +1300, "Dave Joll"
> had this to say:
>
>> "Eeyan" wrote
>>
>>> Destiny Church last night vowed its "Defend the Legacy" march,
>>> expected to draw 20,000 followers, would cross the Auckland Harbour
>>> Bridge despite its application being declined by police and Transit
>>> New Zealand.
>>
>> So... if Brian TAMAKI isn't Maori, then what is he?
>>
>> Apart from a worthless bigot, but that's already common knowledge.
>>
> It doesn't matter if he's a bigot.
>
> It doesn't matter if you or I disagree with what he has to say.
>
> The fact is, he has the complete right to say it, and should be
> extended the same liberties as that crappy wee hikoi, or whatever they
> call it.
>
> The fight to be allowed to cross the bridge is almost akin to a fight
> for their liberties, and their right to free speech.
>
> I disagree with a lot of what they say, and strongly disagree with how
> they say it. However, I would fight to the death for their right to
> say it.

......and their right to cause traffic problems.?
Clearly you don't have to cross the bridge.

--
Tilly

striking1583REMOVE@yahoo.co.nz

From:	Gurble
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:13:24 +1300

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:56:12 +1300, "Tilly"
had this to say:
>>
>> The fight to be allowed to cross the bridge is almost akin to a fight
>> for their liberties, and their right to free speech.
>>
>> I disagree with a lot of what they say, and strongly disagree with how
>> they say it. However, I would fight to the death for their right to
>> say it.
>
>
>.....and their right to cause traffic problems.?
>Clearly you don't have to cross the bridge.

You're quite right. I'm sensible enough to live in a city where it
doesn't take me half the day to get to work...

Anyway, that is irrelevant. A precedent has now been set.

From:	JD
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:37:46 GMT

Gurble wrote:

> The fact is, he has the complete right to say it, and should be
> extended the same liberties as that crappy wee hikoi, or whatever they
> call it.

Just because someone made a stupid decision with the first lot, doesn't
mean the same mistake should be made again.

> The fight to be allowed to cross the bridge is almost akin to a fight
> for their liberties, and their right to free speech.

Bullshit.

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:20:36 +1300

"JD" <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote in message
news:e0MId.130743$K7.78597@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Gurble wrote:
>
> > The fact is, he has the complete right to say it, and should be
> > extended the same liberties as that crappy wee hikoi, or whatever they
> > call it.
>
> Just because someone made a stupid decision with the first lot, doesn't
> mean the same mistake should be made again.
>
> > The fight to be allowed to cross the bridge is almost akin to a fight
> > for their liberties, and their right to free speech.

Not when it will violate the rights of others it's not.

--
John B

From:	Brian Dooley
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:41:22 +1300

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:39:41 +1300, Gurble wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:00:37 +1300, "Dave Joll"
>had this to say:
>
>>"Eeyan" wrote
>>
>>> Destiny Church last night vowed its "Defend the Legacy" march, expected to
>>> draw 20,000 followers, would cross the Auckland Harbour Bridge despite its
>>> application being declined by police and Transit New Zealand.
>>
>>So... if Brian TAMAKI isn't Maori, then what is he?
>>
>>Apart from a worthless bigot, but that's already common knowledge.
>>
>It doesn't matter if he's a bigot.
>
>It doesn't matter if you or I disagree with what he has to say.
>
>The fact is, he has the complete right to say it, and should be
>extended the same liberties as that crappy wee hikoi, or whatever they
>call it.
>
>The fight to be allowed to cross the bridge is almost akin to a fight
>for their liberties, and their right to free speech.
>
>I disagree with a lot of what they say, and strongly disagree with how
>they say it. However, I would fight to the death for their right to
>say it.

You're a braver man than Voltaire; he only said he would defend
it, and he lived quite close to the Swiss border.
--

Brian Dooley

Wellington New Zealand

From:	Redbaiter
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:38:36 +1300

Brian Dooley says

> >
> >I disagree with a lot of what they say, and strongly disagree with how
> >they say it. However, I would fight to the death for their right to
> >say it.
>
> You're a braver man than Voltaire; he only said he would defend
> it, and he lived quite close to the Swiss border.
>
Who are you to be adjudicating on bravery Yellow Back??
--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low

"At the core of modern liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding,
ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a
philosophy of sniveling brats." PJ O'Rourke

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:07:14 +1300

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:39:41 +1300, Gurble wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:00:37 +1300, "Dave Joll"
>had this to say:
>
>>"Eeyan" wrote
>>
>>> Destiny Church last night vowed its "Defend the Legacy" march, expected to
>>> draw 20,000 followers, would cross the Auckland Harbour Bridge despite its
>>> application being declined by police and Transit New Zealand.
>>
>>So... if Brian TAMAKI isn't Maori, then what is he?
>>
>>Apart from a worthless bigot, but that's already common knowledge.
>>
>It doesn't matter if he's a bigot.
>
>It doesn't matter if you or I disagree with what he has to say.
>
>The fact is, he has the complete right to say it, and should be
>extended the same liberties as that crappy wee hikoi, or whatever they
>call it.

He may well have a right to say it, but he doesn't have a right to
interfere with traffic and force others to pay attention to it. Just
because another group was able to bully their way across doesn't mean
that other bullies should be allowed to do the same. If he wants free
speech, he can get a bull horn and preach in his own church's parking
lot.

--
Tarla
****
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the
intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well
preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in
a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn
out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"
--Hunter S. Thompson

From:	Gurble
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:11:54 +1300

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:07:14 +1300, Tarla had
this to say:

>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:39:41 +1300, Gurble wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:00:37 +1300, "Dave Joll"
>>had this to say:
>>
>>>"Eeyan" wrote
>>>
>>>> Destiny Church last night vowed its "Defend the Legacy" march, expected to
>>>> draw 20,000 followers, would cross the Auckland Harbour Bridge despite its
>>>> application being declined by police and Transit New Zealand.
>>>
>>>So... if Brian TAMAKI isn't Maori, then what is he?
>>>
>>>Apart from a worthless bigot, but that's already common knowledge.
>>>
>>It doesn't matter if he's a bigot.
>>
>>It doesn't matter if you or I disagree with what he has to say.
>>
>>The fact is, he has the complete right to say it, and should be
>>extended the same liberties as that crappy wee hikoi, or whatever they
>>call it.
>
>He may well have a right to say it, but he doesn't have a right to
>interfere with traffic and force others to pay attention to it. Just
>because another group was able to bully their way across doesn't mean
>that other bullies should be allowed to do the same. If he wants free
>speech, he can get a bull horn and preach in his own church's parking
>lot.

Unfortunately a precedent has now been set. They allowed one lot of
people across, so it is double standards to not then allow another
across.

From:	Axle
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:39:21 +1300

Gurble wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:07:14 +1300, Tarla had
> this to say:
>
>
>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:39:41 +1300, Gurble wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:00:37 +1300, "Dave Joll"
>>>had this to say:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Eeyan" wrote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Destiny Church last night vowed its "Defend the Legacy" march, expected to
>>>>>draw 20,000 followers, would cross the Auckland Harbour Bridge despite its
>>>>>application being declined by police and Transit New Zealand.
>>>>
>>>>So... if Brian TAMAKI isn't Maori, then what is he?
>>>>
>>>>Apart from a worthless bigot, but that's already common knowledge.
>>>>
>>>
>>>It doesn't matter if he's a bigot.
>>>
>>>It doesn't matter if you or I disagree with what he has to say.
>>>
>>>The fact is, he has the complete right to say it, and should be
>>>extended the same liberties as that crappy wee hikoi, or whatever they
>>>call it.
>>
>>He may well have a right to say it, but he doesn't have a right to
>>interfere with traffic and force others to pay attention to it. Just
>>because another group was able to bully their way across doesn't mean
>>that other bullies should be allowed to do the same. If he wants free
>>speech, he can get a bull horn and preach in his own church's parking
>>lot.
>
>
> Unfortunately a precedent has now been set. They allowed one lot of
> people across, so it is double standards to not then allow another
> across.

So you think anyone should anble across now for any reason ?

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:05:53 +1300

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:11:54 +1300, Gurble wrote:

>>He may well have a right to say it, but he doesn't have a right to
>>interfere with traffic and force others to pay attention to it. Just
>>because another group was able to bully their way across doesn't mean
>>that other bullies should be allowed to do the same. If he wants free
>>speech, he can get a bull horn and preach in his own church's parking
>>lot.
>
>Unfortunately a precedent has now been set. They allowed one lot of
>people across, so it is double standards to not then allow another
>across.

Precidents don't have to be followed.
--
Tarla
****
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the
intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well
preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in
a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn
out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"
--Hunter S. Thompson

From:	Redbaiter
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:16:18 +1300

Tarla says
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:11:54 +1300, Gurble wrote:
>
>
> >>He may well have a right to say it, but he doesn't have a right to
> >>interfere with traffic and force others to pay attention to it. Just
> >>because another group was able to bully their way across doesn't mean
> >>that other bullies should be allowed to do the same. If he wants free
> >>speech, he can get a bull horn and preach in his own church's parking
> >>lot.
> >
> >Unfortunately a precedent has now been set. They allowed one lot of
> >people across, so it is double standards to not then allow another
> >across.
>
> Precidents don't have to be followed.
>

Typical double standard leftist arsewipe.

--
Redbaiter
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"At the core of modern liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding,
ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a
philosophy of sniveling brats." PJ O'Rourke

From:	grimly bubble
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:07:27 +1300

"Gurble" wrote in message
news:m183v0t2pug0atalpip2rqieqquglv4iq5@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:00:37 +1300, "Dave Joll"
> had this to say:
>
> >"Eeyan" wrote
> >
> >> Destiny Church last night vowed its "Defend the Legacy" march, expected
to
> >> draw 20,000 followers, would cross the Auckland Harbour Bridge despite
its
> >> application being declined by police and Transit New Zealand.
> >
> >So... if Brian TAMAKI isn't Maori, then what is he?
> >
> >Apart from a worthless bigot, but that's already common knowledge.
> >
> It doesn't matter if he's a bigot.
>
> It doesn't matter if you or I disagree with what he has to say.
>
> The fact is, he has the complete right to say it, and should be
> extended the same liberties as that crappy wee hikoi, or whatever they
> call it.
>
> The fight to be allowed to cross the bridge is almost akin to a fight
> for their liberties, and their right to free speech.
>
> I disagree with a lot of what they say, and strongly disagree with how
> they say it. However, I would fight to the death for their right to
> say it.

Arrgh you are such a good boy Gurble....read that and weep Joll!!!!

From:	Dave Joll
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:50:40 +1300

"Gurble" wrote

> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:00:37 +1300, "Dave Joll"

>>"Eeyan" wrote

>>> Destiny Church last night vowed its "Defend the Legacy" march, expected
>>> to
>>> draw 20,000 followers, would cross the Auckland Harbour Bridge despite
>>> its
>>> application being declined by police and Transit New Zealand.

>>So... if Brian TAMAKI isn't Maori, then what is he?
>>Apart from a worthless bigot, but that's already common knowledge.

> It doesn't matter if he's a bigot.
> It doesn't matter if you or I disagree with what he has to say.
> The fact is, he has the complete right to say it, and should be
> extended the same liberties as that crappy wee hikoi, or whatever they
> call it.
> The fight to be allowed to cross the bridge is almost akin to a fight
> for their liberties, and their right to free speech.
> I disagree with a lot of what they say, and strongly disagree with how
> they say it. However, I would fight to the death for their right to
> say it.

Interesting but irrelevant.

I was replying to Eeyan's incorrect assumption that Tamaki
was refused permission to walk across the bridge because he
wasn't Maori.

From:	Redbaiter
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:53:05 +1300

Dave Joll says

> > The fight to be allowed to cross the bridge is almost akin to a fight
> > for their liberties, and their right to free speech.

> > I disagree with a lot of what they say, and strongly disagree with how
> > they say it. However, I would fight to the death for their right to
> > say it.
>
> Interesting but irrelevant.
>
> I was replying to Eeyan's incorrect assumption that Tamaki
> was refused permission to walk across the bridge because he
> wasn't Maori.
>
And Eeyan was quite correct, and Joll with another example of
his usual twisted PC driven Stalinist thought processes,
attempts to paint Tamaki as the kind of Maori Joll likes to
patronise, the kind that walked over the bridge before.

The truth is of course totally different, as it always is when
the disgusting Joll makes one of his reptilian appearances here.

The Hikoi marchers were whiners and bludgers and separatists and
racists and handout merchants who marched because they wanted
more from "gummint", and they knew brainwashed progressives like
Joll will crawl to them as current social mores dictate he
should.

Tamaki is a Maori, but he's not in the mould that the gummint
and covert racists like Joll customarily like Maoris to fulfill.
The comparison is wrong, and as like most of the stuff that
comes from Joll, an odious attempt at deceit.

--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low

"At the core of modern liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding,
ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a
philosophy of sniveling brats." PJ O'Rourke

From:	Barry Lennox
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:56:50 +1300

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:13:12 +1300, "Eeyan" wrote:

>Destiny Church last night vowed its "Defend the Legacy" march, expected to
>draw 20,000 followers, would cross the Auckland Harbour Bridge despite its
>application being declined by police and Transit New Zealand.

snip

>Transit had raised safety concerns when the hikoi crossed the bridge last
>April because the compounding effect of many feet hitting the road surface
>at the same time can cause bridges to collapse.

Excellent!!! I'd encourage them to march. Sounds like we would solve a
couple of problems. The second being that Jaffas would not be so
mobile.

From:	anon k
Subject:	Re: No, you are not Maori so can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:29:16 GMT

Barry Lennox wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:13:12 +1300, "Eeyan" wrote:
>
>
>
>>Destiny Church last night vowed its "Defend the Legacy" march, expected to
>>draw 20,000 followers, would cross the Auckland Harbour Bridge despite its
>>application being declined by police and Transit New Zealand.
>
>
> snip
>
>
>>Transit had raised safety concerns when the hikoi crossed the bridge last
>>April because the compounding effect of many feet hitting the road surface
>>at the same time can cause bridges to collapse.
>
>
> Excellent!!! I'd encourage them to march. Sounds like we would solve a
> couple of problems. The second being that Jaffas would not be so
> mobile.

They should march in step. Once the bridge starts undulating, they can
tune their pace for best effect.

From:	Peter
Subject:	Re: No, you can't cross the bridge!
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:45:02 +1300

Eeyan wrote:
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3163498a10,00.html
> "We did not launch this event lightly and have no intention of cancelling
> it," Defend the Legacy spokesman Pastor Andrew Stock said.

Just like the "Christians" in the White House - selfish, arrogant,
aggressive

Peter