In the Listener of January 22 there is an excellent editorial
enitled

G O O D T I M E S F O R A L L

advocating better conditions and pay for those who do the real work,

As my fans and the abusive right wingers [ who do not sem to care for
justice for workers], in these newsgroups well know this is something
that I have been advocating for yonks

So go, get the Listener, read and enjoy.

The last paragraph of this editorial is eminently worth quoting

****************************************************************************
This would be a good year for employers to start taking responsibility
for creating the high-wage economy that we have long been waiting for.
And if you're a wage earner wondering about asking for a raise, it
might be reasonable to point to the golden weather all around and ask
your boss, if not now, when?
**************************************************************************

Patrick

From:	David
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:53:19 +1300

The key to better wages and conditions is productivity.

Workers should have to opportunity to improve their productivity

with reasonable access to management decision making.

-D

"Patrick FitzGerald" wrote in message
news:rl06v0p0509i378juivu5ms4ba6m0lq54d@4ax.com...
> In the Listener of January 22 there is an excellent editorial
> enitled
>
> G O O D T I M E S F O R A L L
>
>
> advocating better conditions and pay for those who do the real work,
>
> As my fans and the abusive right wingers [ who do not sem to care for
> justice for workers], in these newsgroups well know this is something
> that I have been advocating for yonks
>
> So go, get the Listener, read and enjoy.
>
> The last paragraph of this editorial is eminently worth quoting
>
>
>
****************************************************************************
> This would be a good year for employers to start taking responsibility
> for creating the high-wage economy that we have long been waiting for.
> And if you're a wage earner wondering about asking for a raise, it
> might be reasonable to point to the golden weather all around and ask
> your boss, if not now, when?
> **************************************************************************
>
> Patrick
>

From:	Gordon
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:14:18 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:53:19 +1300, David wrote:

> The key to better wages and conditions is productivity.
>
> Workers should have to opportunity to improve their productivity
>
> with reasonable access to management decision making.

Ah, the nails head is sore. You have hit it.

From:	grumpy old hori
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	23 Jan 2005 02:05:04 -0800

e key to better wages and conditions is productivity.

Workers should have to opportunity to improve their productivity

with reasonable access to management decision making.

-D

If that is the case David why dont truck drivers
get twice the pay in real terms as what they
were getting in the nineteen fifties,productivity
has more than doubled since then.
But, competition takes care of that fact.
Labour is like any other commodity,in that if a
commodity is short supply ie electricians
you pay more for the same.
This rule only applies in the private sector
not to so called workers in the goverment sector.
grumpy

From:	Mr Scebe
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:04:30 +1300

"Patrick FitzGerald" wrote in message
news:rl06v0p0509i378juivu5ms4ba6m0lq54d@4ax.com...

****************************************************************************> This would be a good year for employers to start taking responsibility> for creating the high-wage economy that we have long been waiting for.> And if you're a wage earner wondering about asking for a raise, it> might be reasonable to point to the golden weather all around and ask> your boss, if not now, when?> **************************************************************************It's happening, Patrick. I've just had a 66% wage increase - how come youhaven't managed to get one?--Mr ScebeLosersh always whine about their 'besht'.Winnersh go home and fuck the prom queen".~Sean Connery in "The Rock"

From:	grumpy old hori
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	23 Jan 2005 02:06:10 -0800

From:	JD
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:02:59 GMT

Patrick FitzGerald wrote:
> In the Listener of January 22 there is an excellent editorial
> enitled
>
> G O O D T I M E S F O R A L L
>
>
> advocating better conditions and pay for those who do the real work,

Be thankful there are people like me who will employ you.

From:	grimly bubble
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:24:23 +1300

"JD" <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote in message
news:DvLId.130705$K7.31998@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Patrick FitzGerald wrote:
> > In the Listener of January 22 there is an excellent editorial
> > enitled
> >
> > G O O D T I M E S F O R A L L
> >
> >
> > advocating better conditions and pay for those who do the real work,
>
> Be thankful there are people like me who will employ you.

That might be stretching it a bit...employ patrick....naaa don't believe
you.

From:	JD
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:25:47 GMT

grimly bubble wrote:
> "JD" <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote in message
> news:DvLId.130705$K7.31998@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>>Patrick FitzGerald wrote:
>>
>>>In the Listener of January 22 there is an excellent editorial
>>>enitled
>>>
>>> G O O D T I M E S F O R A L L
>>>
>>>
>>> advocating better conditions and pay for those who do the real work,
>>
>>Be thankful there are people like me who will employ you.
>
>
> That might be stretching it a bit...employ patrick....naaa don't believe
> you.

Actually, you're right. More trouble than it would be worth. Judging by
his whinging posts he has never worked a hard day in his life - instead
he spends all of his time ensuring others are unproductive whinging
about how he should be paid more.

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:22:53 +1300

"JD" <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote in message
news:fgXId.131427$K7.82467@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> grimly bubble wrote:
> > "JD" <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote in message
> > news:DvLId.130705$K7.31998@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> >>Patrick FitzGerald wrote:
> >>
> >>>In the Listener of January 22 there is an excellent editorial
> >>>enitled
> >>>
> >>> G O O D T I M E S F O R A L L
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> advocating better conditions and pay for those who do the real work,
> >>
> >>Be thankful there are people like me who will employ you.
> >
> >
> > That might be stretching it a bit...employ patrick....naaa don't believe
> > you.
>
> Actually, you're right. More trouble than it would be worth. Judging by
> his whinging posts he has never worked a hard day in his life - instead
> he spends all of his time ensuring others are unproductive whinging
> about how he should be paid more.

Yeah. That's it. Some employees are nothing but trouble. Paddy would be one of
those.

I don't know if it's legal or not, but all new employees should sign a contract
stating they are on trial for say 3 months, and if it doesn't work, then off
they go.

The contract would define what criteria their suitability will be measured
against over the 3 month period, and a score kept. If the score tallies less
than what is required... then boot 'em.

This actually interests me as I may well be looking for my first "employee"
fairly soon. The sort of employee I would want to employ, would be one who would
like to grow with the company and share in the good (and bad) times the company
may experience. Sharing in the rewards and failures. I.e. Good times = more pay.
bad times = less. One of the incentives I would offer is profit sharing, and
perhaps even shares in the company. I believe all good workers deserve nothing
less.

Useless, complaining, lazy, no-initiative types like Patrick need not apply.

--
John B

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:37:23 +1300

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:22:53 +1300, "John B"
wrote:

>"JD" <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote in message
>news:fgXId.131427$K7.82467@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> grimly bubble wrote:
>> > "JD" <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote in message
>> > news:DvLId.130705$K7.31998@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >
>> >>Patrick FitzGerald wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>In the Listener of January 22 there is an excellent editorial
>> >>>enitled
>> >>>
>> >>> G O O D T I M E S F O R A L L
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> advocating better conditions and pay for those who do the real work,
>> >>
>> >>Be thankful there are people like me who will employ you.
>> >
>> >
>> > That might be stretching it a bit...employ patrick....naaa don't believe
>> > you.
>>
>> Actually, you're right. More trouble than it would be worth. Judging by
>> his whinging posts he has never worked a hard day in his life - instead
>> he spends all of his time ensuring others are unproductive whinging
>> about how he should be paid more.
>
>Yeah. That's it. Some employees are nothing but trouble. Paddy would be one of
>those.
>
>I don't know if it's legal or not, but all new employees should sign a contract
>stating they are on trial for say 3 months, and if it doesn't work, then off
>they go.
>
>The contract would define what criteria their suitability will be measured
>against over the 3 month period, and a score kept. If the score tallies less
>than what is required... then boot 'em.
>
>This actually interests me as I may well be looking for my first "employee"
>fairly soon. The sort of employee I would want to employ, would be one who would
>like to grow with the company and share in the good (and bad) times the company
>may experience. Sharing in the rewards and failures. I.e. Good times = more pay.
>bad times = less. One of the incentives I would offer is profit sharing, and
>perhaps even shares in the company. I believe all good workers deserve nothing
>less.

That doesn't sound like an employee. It sounds like a partner.

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:54:13 +1300

"Tarla" wrote in message
news:q9k8v0p80rcckrobj077eph5l4oahhbv9i@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:22:53 +1300, "John B"
> wrote:
>
> >"JD" <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote in message
> >news:fgXId.131427$K7.82467@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> grimly bubble wrote:
> >> > "JD" <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:DvLId.130705$K7.31998@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> >
> >> >>Patrick FitzGerald wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>In the Listener of January 22 there is an excellent editorial
> >> >>>enitled
> >> >>>
> >> >>> G O O D T I M E S F O R A L L
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> advocating better conditions and pay for those who do the real work,
> >> >>
> >> >>Be thankful there are people like me who will employ you.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > That might be stretching it a bit...employ patrick....naaa don't believe
> >> > you.
> >>
> >> Actually, you're right. More trouble than it would be worth. Judging by
> >> his whinging posts he has never worked a hard day in his life - instead
> >> he spends all of his time ensuring others are unproductive whinging
> >> about how he should be paid more.
> >
> >Yeah. That's it. Some employees are nothing but trouble. Paddy would be one
of
> >those.
> >
> >I don't know if it's legal or not, but all new employees should sign a
contract
> >stating they are on trial for say 3 months, and if it doesn't work, then off
> >they go.
> >
> >The contract would define what criteria their suitability will be measured
> >against over the 3 month period, and a score kept. If the score tallies less
> >than what is required... then boot 'em.
> >
> >This actually interests me as I may well be looking for my first "employee"
> >fairly soon. The sort of employee I would want to employ, would be one who
would
> >like to grow with the company and share in the good (and bad) times the
company
> >may experience. Sharing in the rewards and failures. I.e. Good times = more
pay.
> >bad times = less. One of the incentives I would offer is profit sharing, and
> >perhaps even shares in the company. I believe all good workers deserve
nothing
> >less.
>
> That doesn't sound like an employee. It sounds like a partner.

Nope. All final decisions are mine. Ownership is mine.

But in a sense yes. I see that as the best way to make a business grow and
prosper... by giving employees a stake in it and an incentive to do their very
best. They halp in developing the systems the business will operate by. If
successful, they share in the increased profits.

I reckon a business, no matter how small to start, should be designed to operate
as if it is going to be the very first of a franchiseable chain. That means
structure and systems that can be easily followed by anyone you put in to manage
it while you are away on holiday. Jeez, who wants to be tied to the day-to-day
running of a business for 12-15 hours a day? That's OK at start up, but after a
year or two, or three, it's time to start enjoying some free time.

--
John B

From:	Gordon
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:21:48 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:02:59 +0000, JD wrote:

> Be thankful there are people like me who will employ you.

Why should I be, you need employees.

From:	JD
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:26:31 GMT

Gordon wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:02:59 +0000, JD wrote:
>
>>Be thankful there are people like me who will employ you.
>
> Why should I be, you need employees.

In the current economic climate, employers get to choose.

From:	grimly bubble
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:24:48 +1300

"JD" <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote in message
news:XgXId.131428$K7.51907@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Gordon wrote:
> > On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:02:59 +0000, JD wrote:
> >
> >>Be thankful there are people like me who will employ you.
> >
> > Why should I be, you need employees.
>
> In the current economic climate, employers get to choose.

They always have been able to choose. The only employer that consistently
gives jobs to absolute muck is the labour Government and they steal money
off the private sector to do it.

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:11:26 +1300

"Gordon" wrote in message
news:pan.2005.01.23.23.21.48.80314@yahoo.com...
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:02:59 +0000, JD wrote:
>
> > Be thankful there are people like me who will employ you.
>
> Why should I be, you need employees.

Yes, but every employee is unique. Just because you are an employee doesn't make
you "employable." It's what you have to *offer* as an "emplyee" that counts. And
it's my bet that any business owner needs an employee with an attitude like
yours, like they need a hole in the head.

--
John B

From:	grimly bubble
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:55:55 +1300

"Gordon" wrote in message
news:pan.2005.01.23.23.21.48.80314@yahoo.com...
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:02:59 +0000, JD wrote:
>
> > Be thankful there are people like me who will employ you.
>
> Why should I be, you need employees.

Perhaps, what a business needs is real skills and committment from employees
with a sense of responsibility for themselves and their work environment.
>

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:12:42 +1300

"Patrick FitzGerald" wrote in message
news:rl06v0p0509i378juivu5ms4ba6m0lq54d@4ax.com...
> In the Listener of January 22 there is an excellent editorial
> enitled
>
> G O O D T I M E S F O R A L L
>
>
> advocating better conditions and pay for those who do the real work,
>
> As my fans and the abusive right wingers [ who do not sem to care for
> justice for workers], in these newsgroups well know this is something
> that I have been advocating for yonks
>
> So go, get the Listener, read and enjoy.
>
> The last paragraph of this editorial is eminently worth quoting
>
>
> ****************************************************************************
> This would be a good year for employers to start taking responsibility
> for creating the high-wage economy that we have long been waiting for.
> And if you're a wage earner wondering about asking for a raise, it
> might be reasonable to point to the golden weather all around and ask
> your boss, if not now, when?
> **************************************************************************

See, even The Listener agrees the onus is on the employee.

--
John B

From:	Bob Howard
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:08:35 +1300

"John B" wrote in message
news:41f3081c$1@clear.net.nz...
> "Patrick FitzGerald" wrote in message
> news:rl06v0p0509i378juivu5ms4ba6m0lq54d@4ax.com...
> > In the Listener of January 22 there is an excellent editorial
> > enitled
> >
> > G O O D T I M E S F O R A L L
> >
> >
> > advocating better conditions and pay for those who do the real work,
> >
> > As my fans and the abusive right wingers [ who do not sem to care for
> > justice for workers], in these newsgroups well know this is something
> > that I have been advocating for yonks
> >
> > So go, get the Listener, read and enjoy.
> >
> > The last paragraph of this editorial is eminently worth quoting
> >
> >
> >
****************************************************************************
> > This would be a good year for employers to start taking responsibility
> > for creating the high-wage economy that we have long been waiting for.
> > And if you're a wage earner wondering about asking for a raise, it
> > might be reasonable to point to the golden weather all around and ask
> > your boss, if not now, when?
> >
**************************************************************************
>
> See, even The Listener agrees the onus is on the employee.

To the best of my knowledge all right wingers contributing to this ng are or
have been workers. We like increased incomes as much as anyone. However we
realise the socialists are no friends of workers in spite of their
propaganda. We also realise the true source of increased prosperity for all
comes from free market policies. Skilled workers in short supply are asking
for increased pay and getting it. A recent media comment showed hourly rates
for tradesmen had risen.

We also realise extra pay has to come from increased productivity.
Unemployment has dropped which means an increase in wage costs for
employers. If the extra profitability goes into increasd wages there is no
room to increase individual pay packets. I agree employees have to push for
wage rises.

Bob Howard.

From:	Gordon
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:15:31 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:08:35 +1300, Bob Howard wrote:

> To the best of my knowledge all right wingers contributing to this ng are or
> have been workers. We like increased incomes as much as anyone. However we
> realise the socialists are no friends of workers in spite of their
> propaganda.

Oh dear seems like a nerve has been hit.

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:31:51 +1300

"Gordon" wrote in message
news:pan.2005.01.23.04.15.31.772165@yahoo.com...
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:08:35 +1300, Bob Howard wrote:
>
> > To the best of my knowledge all right wingers contributing to this ng are or
> > have been workers. We like increased incomes as much as anyone. However we
> > realise the socialists are no friends of workers in spite of their
> > propaganda.
>
> Oh dear seems like a nerve has been hit.

How can you possibly discern that? What amazing logic is being applied here?

I'm a right winger (if you want to call it that) and I work about 60 hrs per
week, self-employed sole trader. I can choose when I do my work... mostly, apart
from regular appointments.

I want better wages. That means I have to become more productive, more efficient
and cost-effective in order to to sell more of my services. I can't just put my
prices up because many of my customers will go elsewhere. And instead of getting
more wages, I'll end up with less. I really have to add value to my product if I
want to charge more. I am prepared to do what I have to do to change my
situation.

Now, if you are an employee and think along those lines and show initiative,
you'll soon become much more valuable to your employer. You can then ask for pay
increases and be likely to get them. (Just don't expect it to happen overnight.)
But you won't get them by bitching and complaining and calling your boss a
greedy selfish arsehole.

You fucking whingers are very, very fortunate that your boss puts up with you.

You lazy pricks that don't want to study, don't want to be promoted, and don't
want to work smarter and harder are a waste of time. You should be fucking
ashamed of yourselves. You certainly don't deserve higher wages apart from,
maybe, inflationary adjustments.

--
John B

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:58:43 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:31:51 +1300, "John B"
wrote:

>
>You lazy pricks that don't want to study, don't want to be promoted, and don't
>want to work smarter and harder are a waste of time. You should be fucking
>ashamed of yourselves. You certainly don't deserve higher wages apart from,
>maybe, inflationary adjustments.

Jesus, John...I agree totally!
--
Tarla
****
"Do moral values say when Jesus fed the poor,drove
the moneychangers from the temple,walked with lepers,
defended the harlot,and healed the sick, that he was
practicing wanton immoral liberalism?"
--John Cory

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:21:17 +1300

"Tarla" wrote in message
news:gnb6v05k543eglu45adr1esu4nr3lcjojc@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:31:51 +1300, "John B"
> wrote:
>
> >
> >You lazy pricks that don't want to study, don't want to be promoted, and
don't
> >want to work smarter and harder are a waste of time. You should be fucking
> >ashamed of yourselves. You certainly don't deserve higher wages apart from,
> >maybe, inflationary adjustments.
>
> Jesus, John...I agree totally!

I almost fell off me chair there Tarla. Please warn me in future.

--
John B

From:	Mr Scebe
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:56:43 +1300

"John B" wrote in message
news:41f328b9$1@clear.net.nz...

> You certainly don't deserve higher wages apart from,
> maybe, inflationary adjustments.

Why should the employer have to carry the cost of the government's
profligacy?

--
Mr Scebe
Losersh always whine about their 'besht'.
Winnersh go home and fuck the prom queen".
~Sean Connery in "The Rock"

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:19:37 +1300

"Mr Scebe" wrote in message
news:g8GId.10608$mo2.806821@news.xtra.co.nz...
>
> "John B" wrote in message
> news:41f328b9$1@clear.net.nz...
>
> > You certainly don't deserve higher wages apart from,
> > maybe, inflationary adjustments.
>
> Why should the employer have to carry the cost of the government's
> profligacy?

That's why I said maybe.

--
John B

From:	Axel
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:35:04 +1300

John B wrote:
> "Gordon" wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.01.23.04.15.31.772165@yahoo.com...
>
>>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:08:35 +1300, Bob Howard wrote:
>>
>>
>>>To the best of my knowledge all right wingers contributing to this ng are or
>>>have been workers. We like increased incomes as much as anyone. However we
>>>realise the socialists are no friends of workers in spite of their
>>>propaganda.
>>
>>Oh dear seems like a nerve has been hit.
>
>
> How can you possibly discern that? What amazing logic is being applied here?
>
> I'm a right winger (if you want to call it that) and I work about 60 hrs per
> week, self-employed sole trader. I can choose when I do my work... mostly, apart
> from regular appointments.
>
> I want better wages. That means I have to become more productive, more efficient
> and cost-effective in order to to sell more of my services. I can't just put my
> prices up because many of my customers will go elsewhere. And instead of getting
> more wages, I'll end up with less. I really have to add value to my product if I
> want to charge more. I am prepared to do what I have to do to change my
> situation.
>
> Now, if you are an employee and think along those lines and show initiative,
> you'll soon become much more valuable to your employer. You can then ask for pay
> increases and be likely to get them. (Just don't expect it to happen overnight.)
> But you won't get them by bitching and complaining and calling your boss a
> greedy selfish arsehole.
>
> You fucking whingers are very, very fortunate that your boss puts up with you.
>
> You lazy pricks that don't want to study, don't want to be promoted, and don't
> want to work smarter and harder are a waste of time. You should be fucking
> ashamed of yourselves. You certainly don't deserve higher wages apart from,
> maybe, inflationary adjustments.
>

Is that 60 hours of guitar tuition, and playing covers band gigs, or is
that a second business ?

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:52:47 +1300

"Axel" wrote in message news:35gr8eF4krjr8U1@individual.net...
> John B wrote:
> > "Gordon" wrote in message
> > news:pan.2005.01.23.04.15.31.772165@yahoo.com...
> >
> >>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:08:35 +1300, Bob Howard wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>To the best of my knowledge all right wingers contributing to this ng are
or
> >>>have been workers. We like increased incomes as much as anyone. However we
> >>>realise the socialists are no friends of workers in spite of their
> >>>propaganda.
> >>
> >>Oh dear seems like a nerve has been hit.
> >
> >
> > How can you possibly discern that? What amazing logic is being applied here?
> >
> > I'm a right winger (if you want to call it that) and I work about 60 hrs per
> > week, self-employed sole trader. I can choose when I do my work... mostly,
apart
> > from regular appointments.
> >
> > I want better wages. That means I have to become more productive, more
efficient
> > and cost-effective in order to to sell more of my services. I can't just put
my
> > prices up because many of my customers will go elsewhere. And instead of
getting
> > more wages, I'll end up with less. I really have to add value to my product
if I
> > want to charge more. I am prepared to do what I have to do to change my
> > situation.
> >
> > Now, if you are an employee and think along those lines and show initiative,
> > you'll soon become much more valuable to your employer. You can then ask for
pay
> > increases and be likely to get them. (Just don't expect it to happen
overnight.)
> > But you won't get them by bitching and complaining and calling your boss a
> > greedy selfish arsehole.
> >
> > You fucking whingers are very, very fortunate that your boss puts up with
you.
> >
> > You lazy pricks that don't want to study, don't want to be promoted, and
don't
> > want to work smarter and harder are a waste of time. You should be fucking
> > ashamed of yourselves. You certainly don't deserve higher wages apart from,
> > maybe, inflationary adjustments.
> >
>
> Is that 60 hours of guitar tuition, and playing covers band gigs, or is
> that a second business ?

Don't really do any gigs now. Bit of Jazz now and then. But I don't count those
hours.

Tuition doesn't take anywhere near that time, but I do a lot of prep for my
students and am also writting several small books concerning guitar. I hand out
all this stuff to my students to test it.

My aim is to put it all up on my website (I'm spending a LOT of time revamping
my site) and sell them. They'll are specifically targeted to intermediate
players, and will cover various topics. They will be very cheap. And shit, who
knows, I may even sell a million copies if I do this right. That'll give me some
increased wages, won't it?

All this means I work 60+ hours per week. Sometimes it's no problem for me to
work 15 hours or so a day.

Posting here gives me a breather now and then and a way to let of steam I guess.

--
John B

From:	Axel
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:54:50 +1300

John B wrote:

>
>
> Don't really do any gigs now. Bit of Jazz now and then. But I don't count those
> hours.
>
> Tuition doesn't take anywhere near that time, but I do a lot of prep for my
> students and am also writting several small books concerning guitar. I hand out
> all this stuff to my students to test it.
>
> My aim is to put it all up on my website (I'm spending a LOT of time revamping
> my site) and sell them. They'll are specifically targeted to intermediate
> players, and will cover various topics. They will be very cheap. And shit, who
> knows, I may even sell a million copies if I do this right. That'll give me some
> increased wages, won't it?
>
> All this means I work 60+ hours per week. Sometimes it's no problem for me to
> work 15 hours or so a day.
>
> Posting here gives me a breather now and then and a way to let of steam I guess.
>

Good luck with it then.
George Barris is someone I see quite regularly these days who you would
have crossed paths with a few times.

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:27:38 +1300

"Axel" wrote in message news:35gvu1F4lvp30U1@individual.net...
> John B wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Don't really do any gigs now. Bit of Jazz now and then. But I don't count
those
> > hours.
> >
> > Tuition doesn't take anywhere near that time, but I do a lot of prep for my
> > students and am also writting several small books concerning guitar. I hand
out
> > all this stuff to my students to test it.
> >
> > My aim is to put it all up on my website (I'm spending a LOT of time
revamping
> > my site) and sell them. They'll are specifically targeted to intermediate
> > players, and will cover various topics. They will be very cheap. And shit,
who
> > knows, I may even sell a million copies if I do this right. That'll give me
some
> > increased wages, won't it?
> >
> > All this means I work 60+ hours per week. Sometimes it's no problem for me
to
> > work 15 hours or so a day.
> >
> > Posting here gives me a breather now and then and a way to let of steam I
guess.
> >
>
> Good luck with it then.
> George Barris is someone I see quite regularly these days who you would
> have crossed paths with a few times.

Thanks.

George Barris? Yeah, great bass player. Met him many years ago. He came to a
Wanganui Masters Games with Larry Morris about 5 or 6 years ago. That band was
hot. Morris was still stuck up as ever.

My old buddy Tiny (Ian) Thompson (not the drummer) in Auck has had a bit to do
with him over the years.

--
John B

From:	Jay
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:38:16 +1300

"John B" wrote in message
news:41f33bb2$1@clear.net.nz...

> My aim is to put it all up on my website (I'm spending a LOT of time
> revamping
> my site) and sell them.

Yeah, fix yer fonts man! :)

Jay

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:13:03 +1300

"Jay" wrote in message
news:VzWId.10782$mo2.827661@news.xtra.co.nz...
>
> "John B" wrote in message
> news:41f33bb2$1@clear.net.nz...
>
> > My aim is to put it all up on my website (I'm spending a LOT of time
> > revamping
> > my site) and sell them.
>
> Yeah, fix yer fonts man! :)
>
> Jay

You fouind my website? That's ancient.

I'm learning CSS now. That'll fix the fonts. It's coming along just dandy. Be a
little while before I put it up.

What browser are you using Jay?

--
John B

From:	Jay
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:15:37 +1300

"John B" wrote in message
news:41f44b9f$1@clear.net.nz...
> "Jay" wrote in message
> news:VzWId.10782$mo2.827661@news.xtra.co.nz...
>>
>> "John B" wrote in message
>> news:41f33bb2$1@clear.net.nz...
>>
>> > My aim is to put it all up on my website (I'm spending a LOT of time
>> > revamping
>> > my site) and sell them.
>>
>> Yeah, fix yer fonts man! :)
>>
>> Jay
>
> You fouind my website? That's ancient.

Yep.

>
> I'm learning CSS now. That'll fix the fonts. It's coming along just dandy.
> Be a
> little while before I put it up.

Good onya!
CSS is defo the way ahead. Especially if you plan to serve content to more
than just a browser (e.g. print/aural/mobile).
It'll also stand you in good stead should you ever go down the XML road.

> What browser are you using Jay?

IE6 mainly.

> --
> John B
>

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:45:48 +1300

> > I'm learning CSS now. That'll fix the fonts. It's coming along just dandy.
> > Be a
> > little while before I put it up.
>
>
> Good onya!
> CSS is defo the way ahead. Especially if you plan to serve content to more
> than just a browser (e.g. print/aural/mobile).
> It'll also stand you in good stead should you ever go down the XML road.

Yes. I bought Jeffrey Zeldman's "Designing with Web Standards" and using that as
my guide. Also have Eric Meyer's "Cascading Style Sheets: The definitive Guide"
2nd ed which covers CSS2 and CCS2.1.

Seperate structure from presentation is the way to go. XHTML transitional for
structure markup, and CSS for all presentation. This is fun. It's also better
for SE's too.

>
> > What browser are you using Jay?
>
> IE6 mainly.

Why don't you try Mozilla Firefox? It's great. Seems IE is dead with no new
development going on as far as I know.

--
John B

From:	Jay
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:51:03 +1300

"John B" wrote in message
news:41f4534c$1@clear.net.nz...
>> > I'm learning CSS now. That'll fix the fonts. It's coming along just
>> > dandy.
>> > Be a
>> > little while before I put it up.
>>
>>
>> Good onya!
>> CSS is defo the way ahead. Especially if you plan to serve content to
>> more
>> than just a browser (e.g. print/aural/mobile).
>> It'll also stand you in good stead should you ever go down the XML road.
>
> Yes. I bought Jeffrey Zeldman's "Designing with Web Standards" and using
> that as
> my guide. Also have Eric Meyer's "Cascading Style Sheets: The definitive
> Guide"
> 2nd ed which covers CSS2 and CCS2.1.

Good choices.

> Seperate structure from presentation is the way to go. XHTML transitional
> for
> structure markup, and CSS for all presentation. This is fun. It's also
> better
> for SE's too.

SE's?
>
>>
>> > What browser are you using Jay?
>>
>> IE6 mainly.
>
> Why don't you try Mozilla Firefox? It's great. Seems IE is dead with no
> new
> development going on as far as I know.

I've got FF and Opera. More often to check design in different browsers. IE
seems to do all I need when it comes to browsing though.

Jay

> --
> John B
>

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:02:39 +1300

"Jay"

> SE's?

Search Engines.

From:	Jay
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:11:44 +1300

"John B" wrote in message
news:41f4573f$1@clear.net.nz...
> "Jay"
>
>> SE's?
>
> Search Engines.

Ahh yes. If designing with SE's in mind, descriptive alt attributes of the
image tag and the title tag are very important.

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:23:42 +1300

"Jay"

> Ahh yes. If designing with SE's in mind, descriptive alt attributes of the
> image tag and the title tag are very important.

Page Title, menus, headings, alt, links, img's, should all contain your
keywords. The keywords should then be used very liberally in your content.
That's tha basic guts of it.

Most SE's these day ignore, or at the least place little emphasis on, the meta
keywards.

The meta description tag is also very important.

CSS is great, because you can design menus (even popup) with it. Therefore you
can use keywords and spiders and bots will indeed search those menus and their
links. Far better than Firewoks popup menus for sure.

--
John B

From:	Gordon
Subject:	Re: Good times for all
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:13:09 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:51:10 +1300, Patrick FitzGerald wrote:

> In the Listener of January 22 there is an excellent editorial
> enitled
>
> G O O D T I M E S F O R A L L
>
>
> advocating better conditions and pay for those who do the real work,

Yes, Patrick the media is publishing articles about the "fat Cats" having
too much income to put in their wallets.

Relax things are going you way, albeit only the start.