Good on the girl in Auckland who sought better university education and
was offered a place at Yale! I hope that more from New Zealand do the
same instead of accepting what NZ universities now offer.

From:	NOSPAM at NOSPAM.invalid.com
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:31:12 +1300

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:31:11 +0000, anon k wrote:

> Good on the girl in Auckland who sought better university education and
> was offered a place at Yale! I hope that more from New Zealand do the
> same instead of accepting what NZ universities now offer.

If they want better, then they should look to The Universities (both of
them), not to American "universities".

Divine

--
Michael Stutz: "There is an area affecting business and home use where Linux
is greatly deficient, and I see no solution coming at all. I refer to the
area of e-mail viruses - they just don't make them for Linux like they do for
Windows. Same with a lot of those crippling meltdowns and system errors. If
you want a blue screen of death freeze-up, you pretty much have to run Windows
to get it. You won't be able to run those trojan horses that steal all your
passwords and copy your files out to the Internet, and you're out of luck with
all those funny attachments that wreak havoc in the workplace - there isn't
any Linux compatibility here at all."

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:11:05 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:31:12 +1300, "NOSPAM@NOSPAM.invalid.com"
wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:31:11 +0000, anon k wrote:
>
>> Good on the girl in Auckland who sought better university education and
>> was offered a place at Yale! I hope that more from New Zealand do the
>> same instead of accepting what NZ universities now offer.
>
>If they want better, then they should look to The Universities (both of
>them), not to American "universities".

Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
compare to Yale?
--
Tarla
****
"Do moral values say when Jesus fed the poor,drove
the moneychangers from the temple,walked with lepers,
defended the harlot,and healed the sick, that he was
practicing wanton immoral liberalism?"
--John Cory

From:	NOSPAM at NOSPAM.invalid.com
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:18:54 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:11:05 +1300, Tarla wrote:

>>If they want better, then they should look to The Universities (both of
>>them), not to American "universities".
>
> Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
> compare to Yale?

Swddi, dahling. I know you're american, but do you really think that any
school in north america can compare with The Two Universities?

Divine

--
43 - for those who require slightly more than the answer to life, the universe
and everything.

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:53:51 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:18:54 +1300, "NOSPAM@NOSPAM.invalid.com"
wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:11:05 +1300, Tarla wrote:
>
>>>If they want better, then they should look to The Universities (both of
>>>them), not to American "universities".
>>
>> Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
>> compare to Yale?
>
>Swddi, dahling. I know you're american, but do you really think that any
>school in north america can compare with The Two Universities?

Did I say that they could? Actually, thinking about it a bit, I think
Stanford could give Oxford a run for its money.
--
Tarla
****
"Do moral values say when Jesus fed the poor,drove
the moneychangers from the temple,walked with lepers,
defended the harlot,and healed the sick, that he was
practicing wanton immoral liberalism?"
--John Cory

From:	NOSPAM at NOSPAM.invalid.com
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:23:53 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:53:51 +1300, Tarla wrote:

>>Swddi, dahling. I know you're american, but do you really think that any
>>school in north america can compare with The Two Universities?
>
> Did I say that they could? Actually, thinking about it a bit, I think
> Stanford could give Oxford a run for its money.

We'll believe you, Dahling. We'll believe you.

Divine

--
43 - for those who require slightly more than the answer to life, the universe
and everything.

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:37:02 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:23:53 +1300, "NOSPAM@NOSPAM.invalid.com"
wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:53:51 +1300, Tarla wrote:
>
>>>Swddi, dahling. I know you're american, but do you really think that any
>>>school in north america can compare with The Two Universities?
>>
>> Did I say that they could? Actually, thinking about it a bit, I think
>> Stanford could give Oxford a run for its money.
>
>
>
>We'll believe you, Dahling. We'll believe you.

Ooops, according to the stats that Kerry posted....I'm right!
--
Tarla
****
"Do moral values say when Jesus fed the poor,drove
the moneychangers from the temple,walked with lepers,
defended the harlot,and healed the sick, that he was
practicing wanton immoral liberalism?"
--John Cory

From:	NOSPAM at NOSPAM.invalid.com
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:59:43 +1300

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:37:02 +1300, Tarla wrote:

>>> Did I say that they could? Actually, thinking about it a bit, I think
>>> Stanford could give Oxford a run for its money.
>>
>>
>>
>>We'll believe you, Dahling. We'll believe you.
>
> Ooops, according to the stats that Kerry posted....I'm right!

Of course there are lies, damned lies and... ta dah! Statistics.

The USA is utterly devoid of anything worth having. Just look at the USA's
legal and patent systems. Look at it's social security and health systems.
Look at it's education system. Look at it's governmental structures. Look
at it's religious perversity.

Anyone wanting anything better than "pathetic" or "poor" or "dangerous"
simply leaves the USA for a better place.

Divine

--
43 - for those who require slightly more than the answer to life, the universe
and everything.

From:	anon k
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:23:15 GMT

NOSPAM@NOSPAM.invalid.com wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:11:05 +1300, Tarla wrote:
>
>
>>>If they want better, then they should look to The Universities (both of
>>>them), not to American "universities".
>>
>>Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
>>compare to Yale?
>
>
> Swddi, dahling. I know you're american, but do you really think that any
> school in north america can compare with The Two Universities?

Latest international rankings put Harvard in first place. Oxford and
Cambridge were in the top ten, as were Stanford, Princeton and Yale.

I'd expected les Ecoles Superieures in Paris to be there too, but they
weren't.

I think that Auckland was in the top hundred. The Australian National
University did well, well ahead of all others in Australia and New Zealand.

But it is never easy to tell exactly what these rankings mean. Many of
us are inclined read any block of ten to fifteen on the list as near-equals.

It's in the Chronicle of Higher Education, around the middle of last
year. I can't find it at the moment.

Oxford's reputation, by the way, was suffering quite badly a few years
ago. There have sometimes been very good reasons to not go to the
famous places. Luckily for them they're pulling through their dark
decade - they want to become privately funded instead of being messed
around by public purse-strings. Not so easy to find that kind of money
in Britain any more. But it's exactly that independence from public
funding that keeps the good private US universities above the rest.
Most public universities in the US are suffering like ours right now.

From:	NOSPAM at NOSPAM.invalid.com
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:43:06 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:23:15 +0000, anon k wrote:

>> Swddi, dahling. I know you're american, but do you really think that any
>> school in north america can compare with The Two Universities?
>
> Latest international rankings put Harvard in first place. Oxford and
> Cambridge were in the top ten, as were Stanford, Princeton and Yale.

Rankings of what?

Bums on seats? Certificates issued? Dollars paid per student? What?

There are only two universities when it comes to education. Other
tertiary schools, especially the american schools, simply don't count.

Divine

--
Michael Stutz: "There is an area affecting business and home use where Linux
is greatly deficient, and I see no solution coming at all. I refer to the
area of e-mail viruses - they just don't make them for Linux like they do for
Windows. Same with a lot of those crippling meltdowns and system errors. If
you want a blue screen of death freeze-up, you pretty much have to run Windows
to get it. You won't be able to run those trojan horses that steal all your
passwords and copy your files out to the Internet, and you're out of luck with
all those funny attachments that wreak havoc in the workplace - there isn't
any Linux compatibility here at all."

From:	Kerry
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:55:13 +1300

In article <74RId.20937$by5.1450@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
anon k wrote:

> NOSPAM@NOSPAM.invalid.com wrote:
> > On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:11:05 +1300, Tarla wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>If they want better, then they should look to The Universities (both of
> >>>them), not to American "universities".
> >>
> >>Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
> >>compare to Yale?
> >
> >
> > Swddi, dahling. I know you're american, but do you really think that any
> > school in north america can compare with The Two Universities?
>
> Latest international rankings put Harvard in first place. Oxford and
> Cambridge were in the top ten, as were Stanford, Princeton and Yale.
>
> I'd expected les Ecoles Superieures in Paris to be there too, but they
> weren't.
>
> I think that Auckland was in the top hundred. The Australian National
> University did well, well ahead of all others in Australia and New Zealand.

Yes, ANU is 53rd in the world, pretty good.
Auckland was in the 200s I believe
>
> But it is never easy to tell exactly what these rankings mean. Many of
> us are inclined read any block of ten to fifteen on the list as near-equals.

It's very clear in the methodology what the rankings mean.

Few Nz researchers have the opportunity to gain a Nobel prize or a
Fields medal/award. That's the way it is, NZ is a small country, the
size of many small international cities, there is little funding for
research. Places like the USA, and to a lesser extent Oz, are amazingly
generous in what they offer postgraduate students. Because they can
afford to be, postgraduate education is see as a nett benefit rather
than a drain.

Having said that, I have gained excellent degrees in New Zealand, that
enable me to function as an equal with graduates from other countries,
and ahead of many, including more generalist/humanities including US
degrees. I don't think we have anything to apologise for.

If you are wanting to do postgraduate study, if you want the opportunity
to make a name for yourself, if you want to be on the edge in research
and the opportunity to develop....you may well need to leave NZ.

>
> It's in the Chronicle of Higher Education, around the middle of last
> year. I can't find it at the moment.
>
> Oxford's reputation, by the way, was suffering quite badly a few years
> ago. There have sometimes been very good reasons to not go to the
> famous places. Luckily for them they're pulling through their dark
> decade - they want to become privately funded instead of being messed
> around by public purse-strings. Not so easy to find that kind of money
> in Britain any more. But it's exactly that independence from public
> funding that keeps the good private US universities above the rest.
> Most public universities in the US are suffering like ours right now.

From:	Brian Dooley
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:29:02 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:11:05 +1300, Tarla
wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:31:12 +1300, "NOSPAM@NOSPAM.invalid.com"
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:31:11 +0000, anon k wrote:
>>
>>> Good on the girl in Auckland who sought better university education and
>>> was offered a place at Yale! I hope that more from New Zealand do the
>>> same instead of accepting what NZ universities now offer.
>>
>>If they want better, then they should look to The Universities (both of
>>them), not to American "universities".
>
>Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
>compare to Yale?

Especially when you think of at least one of its graduates.
--

Brian Dooley

Wellington New Zealand

From:	Axel
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:56:34 +1300

Tarla wrote:

>
>
> Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
> compare to Yale?

It depends who you want to impress

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:09:50 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:56:34 +1300, Axel wrote:

>Tarla wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
>> compare to Yale?
>
>It depends who you want to impress

It's not about impressing anyone. It's about having access to the best
teachers, libraries and research facilities.
--
Tarla
****
"Do moral values say when Jesus fed the poor,drove
the moneychangers from the temple,walked with lepers,
defended the harlot,and healed the sick, that he was
practicing wanton immoral liberalism?"
--John Cory

From:	Kerry
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:27:20 +1300

In article ,
Tarla wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:56:34 +1300, Axel wrote:
>
> >Tarla wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
> >> compare to Yale?
> >
> >It depends who you want to impress
>
> It's not about impressing anyone. It's about having access to the best
> teachers, libraries and research facilities.
> --
> Tarla

Top 20 world universities 2004

World Rank
1 Harvard Univ
USA
2
Stanford Univ
3
Univ Cambridge
UK
4
Univ California - Berkeley
5
Massachusetts Inst Tech (MIT)
6
California Inst Tech
7
Princeton Univ
8
Univ Oxford
9
Columbia Univ
10
Univ Chicago
11
Yale Univ
12
Cornell Univ

13
Univ California - San Diego
14
Tokyo Univ
15
Univ Pennsylvania
16
Univ California - Los Angeles
17
Univ California - San Francisco
18
Univ Wisconsin - Madison
19
Univ Michigan - Ann Arbor
20
Univ Washington - Seattle

From:	philip
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:15:34 +1300

Kerry wrote:
> In article ,
> Tarla wrote:
>
>
>>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:56:34 +1300, Axel wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Tarla wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
>>>>compare to Yale?
>>>
>>>It depends who you want to impress
>>
>>It's not about impressing anyone. It's about having access to the best
>>teachers, libraries and research facilities.
>>--
>>Tarla
>
>
> Top 20 world universities 2004
>
> World Rank
> 1 Harvard Univ
> USA
> 2
> Stanford Univ
> 3
> Univ Cambridge
> UK
> 4
> Univ California - Berkeley
> 5
> Massachusetts Inst Tech (MIT)
> 6
> California Inst Tech
> 7
> Princeton Univ
> 8
> Univ Oxford
> 9
> Columbia Univ
> 10
> Univ Chicago
> 11
> Yale Univ
> 12
> Cornell Univ
>
> 13
> Univ California - San Diego
> 14
> Tokyo Univ
> 15
> Univ Pennsylvania
> 16
> Univ California - Los Angeles
> 17
> Univ California - San Francisco
> 18
> Univ Wisconsin - Madison
> 19
> Univ Michigan - Ann Arbor
> 20
> Univ Washington - Seattle

Whose list is this, based on what? Research grants? Size of the
foundation fund? Patents awarded? Nobel winners? Publications? Student
recruitment? Bums on seats?

Whatever else the World Bank may be good at, I fail to see where it is
qualified to assess the comparative merits of the world's universities
in any but the most simplistic terms.

You might as well say that the university is better than a kangaroo.
Better at what?

Philip

From:	Kerry
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:51:47 +1300

In article <41f387ed$1_2@127.0.0.1>,
philip wrote:

> Kerry wrote:
> > In article ,
> > Tarla wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:56:34 +1300, Axel wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Tarla wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
> >>>>compare to Yale?
> >>>
> >>>It depends who you want to impress
> >>
> >>It's not about impressing anyone. It's about having access to the best
> >>teachers, libraries and research facilities.
> >>--
> >>Tarla
> >
> >
> > Top 20 world universities 2004
> >
> > World Rank
> > 1 Harvard Univ
> > USA
> > 2
> > Stanford Univ
> > 3
> > Univ Cambridge
> > UK
> > 4
> > Univ California - Berkeley
> > 5
> > Massachusetts Inst Tech (MIT)
> > 6
> > California Inst Tech
> > 7
> > Princeton Univ
> > 8
> > Univ Oxford
> > 9
> > Columbia Univ
> > 10
> > Univ Chicago
> > 11
> > Yale Univ
> > 12
> > Cornell Univ
> >
> > 13
> > Univ California - San Diego
> > 14
> > Tokyo Univ
> > 15
> > Univ Pennsylvania
> > 16
> > Univ California - Los Angeles
> > 17
> > Univ California - San Francisco
> > 18
> > Univ Wisconsin - Madison
> > 19
> > Univ Michigan - Ann Arbor
> > 20
> > Univ Washington - Seattle
>
> Whose list is this, based on what? Research grants? Size of the
> foundation fund? Patents awarded? Nobel winners? Publications? Student
> recruitment? Bums on seats?
>
> Whatever else the World Bank may be good at, I fail to see where it is
> qualified to assess the comparative merits of the world's universities
> in any but the most simplistic terms.
>
> You might as well say that the university is better than a kangaroo.
> Better at what?
>
> Philip

Its based upon academic success judged by Nobel and Field prizes,
numbers of publications and other tripe. I'm sure you can find it.

From:	David Pears
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:09:23 +0930

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:15:34 +1300, philip
wrote:

>>>>>Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
>>>>>compare to Yale?
>>>>
>>>>It depends who you want to impress
>>>
>>>It's not about impressing anyone. It's about having access to the best
>>>teachers, libraries and research facilities.
>>>--
>>>Tarla
>>
>>
>> Top 20 world universities 2004
>>
>> World Rank
>> 1 Harvard Univ
>> USA
>> 2
>> Stanford Univ
>> 3
>> Univ Cambridge
>> UK
>> 4
>> Univ California - Berkeley
>> 5
>> Massachusetts Inst Tech (MIT)
>> 6
>> California Inst Tech
>> 7
>> Princeton Univ
>> 8
>> Univ Oxford
>> 9
>> Columbia Univ
>> 10
>> Univ Chicago
>> 11
>> Yale Univ
>> 12
>> Cornell Univ
>>
>> 13
>> Univ California - San Diego
>> 14
>> Tokyo Univ
>> 15
>> Univ Pennsylvania
>> 16
>> Univ California - Los Angeles
>> 17
>> Univ California - San Francisco
>> 18
>> Univ Wisconsin - Madison
>> 19
>> Univ Michigan - Ann Arbor
>> 20
>> Univ Washington - Seattle
>
>Whose list is this, based on what? Research grants? Size of the
>foundation fund? Patents awarded? Nobel winners? Publications? Student
>recruitment? Bums on seats?
>
>Whatever else the World Bank may be good at, I fail to see where it is
>qualified to assess the comparative merits of the world's universities
>in any but the most simplistic terms.

Er... why do you think that the list has anything to do with the World
Bank? It hasn't been mentioned anywhere in the thread, and is not
generally connected with education. Did you just pick them at random,
or is there some reason to think they may be the list compilers?

>You might as well say that the university is better than a kangaroo.
>Better at what?

David

From:	philip
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:59:34 +1300

David Pears wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:15:34 +1300, philip
> wrote:
>
>
>>>>>>Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
>>>>>>compare to Yale?
>>>>>
>>>>>It depends who you want to impress
>>>>
>>>>It's not about impressing anyone. It's about having access to the best
>>>>teachers, libraries and research facilities.
>>>>--
>>>>Tarla
>>>
>>>
>>>Top 20 world universities 2004
>>>
>>>World Rank
>>>1 Harvard Univ
>>>USA
>>>2
>>> Stanford Univ
>>>3
>>> Univ Cambridge
>>>UK
>>> 4
>>> Univ California - Berkeley
>>> 5
>>> Massachusetts Inst Tech (MIT)
>>> 6
>>> California Inst Tech
>>> 7
>>> Princeton Univ
>>>8
>>> Univ Oxford
>>>9
>>> Columbia Univ
>>>10
>>> Univ Chicago
>>>11
>>> Yale Univ
>>> 12
>>> Cornell Univ
>>>
>>> 13
>>> Univ California - San Diego
>>>14
>>> Tokyo Univ
>>> 15
>>> Univ Pennsylvania
>>>16
>>> Univ California - Los Angeles
>>>17
>>> Univ California - San Francisco
>>> 18
>>> Univ Wisconsin - Madison
>>>19
>>> Univ Michigan - Ann Arbor
>>>20
>>> Univ Washington - Seattle
>>
>>Whose list is this, based on what? Research grants? Size of the
>>foundation fund? Patents awarded? Nobel winners? Publications? Student
>>recruitment? Bums on seats?
>>
>>Whatever else the World Bank may be good at, I fail to see where it is
>>qualified to assess the comparative merits of the world's universities
>>in any but the most simplistic terms.
>
>
> Er... why do you think that the list has anything to do with the World
> Bank? It hasn't been mentioned anywhere in the thread, and is not
> generally connected with education. Did you just pick them at random,
> or is there some reason to think they may be the list compilers?

I think I may have misread "World Rank" as "World Bank".

Bugger.
>
>>You might as well say that the university is better than a kangaroo.
>>Better at what?

Philip

From:	Peter Metcalfe
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:02:11 +1300

In article <41f4ab79$1_2@127.0.0.1>, philip_crookes@yahoo.co.uk says...
> David Pears wrote:
> > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:15:34 +1300, philip
> > wrote:

> >>Whatever else the World Bank may be good at, I fail to see where it is
> >>qualified to assess the comparative merits of the world's universities
> >>in any but the most simplistic terms.

> > Er... why do you think that the list has anything to do with the World
> > Bank? It hasn't been mentioned anywhere in the thread, and is not
> > generally connected with education. Did you just pick them at random,
> > or is there some reason to think they may be the list compilers?

> I think I may have misread "World Rank" as "World Bank".

Were you "tired and emotional" at the time?

--Peter Metcalfe

From:	Axel
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:26:54 +1300

Tarla wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:56:34 +1300, Axel wrote:
>
>
>>Tarla wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
>>>compare to Yale?
>>
>>It depends who you want to impress
>
>
> It's not about impressing anyone. It's about having access to the best
> teachers, libraries and research facilities.

Is that what yale claims to have ?
No point in going to Oxford or Cambridge then
And definitely no point in going to a shitty old New Zealand university
because everything is so much bigger and better in the US.

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:29:45 +1300

"Axel" wrote in message news:35gg7kF4l77tvU1@individual.net...
> Tarla wrote:
> > On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:56:34 +1300, Axel wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Tarla wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
> >>>compare to Yale?
> >>
> >>It depends who you want to impress
> >
> >
> > It's not about impressing anyone. It's about having access to the best
> > teachers, libraries and research facilities.
>
> Is that what yale claims to have ?
> No point in going to Oxford or Cambridge then
> And definitely no point in going to a shitty old New Zealand university
> because everything is so much bigger and better in the US.

Well most universities are fucked and have alot to answer for, considering the
indoctrinated socialists scumbags they churn out by the bucketloads.

--
John B

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:51:56 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:26:54 +1300, Axel wrote:

>Tarla wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:56:34 +1300, Axel wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Tarla wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
>>>>compare to Yale?
>>>
>>>It depends who you want to impress
>>
>>
>> It's not about impressing anyone. It's about having access to the best
>> teachers, libraries and research facilities.
>
>Is that what yale claims to have ?
>No point in going to Oxford or Cambridge then

Those are excellent schools as well, but they weren't the subject of
the post that I was responding to; Yale was.

>And definitely no point in going to a shitty old New Zealand university
>because everything is so much bigger and better in the US.

Well, if you have a choice...

--
Tarla
****
"Do moral values say when Jesus fed the poor,drove
the moneychangers from the temple,walked with lepers,
defended the harlot,and healed the sick, that he was
practicing wanton immoral liberalism?"
--John Cory

From:	Axel
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:29:13 +1300

Tarla wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:26:54 +1300, Axel wrote:
>
>
>>Tarla wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:56:34 +1300, Axel wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tarla wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Do you really think there's a university in New Zealand that can
>>>>>compare to Yale?
>>>>
>>>>It depends who you want to impress
>>>
>>>
>>>It's not about impressing anyone. It's about having access to the best
>>>teachers, libraries and research facilities.
>>
>>Is that what yale claims to have ?
>>No point in going to Oxford or Cambridge then
>
>
> Those are excellent schools as well, but they weren't the subject of
> the post that I was responding to; Yale was.
>
>
>>And definitely no point in going to a shitty old New Zealand university
>>because everything is so much bigger and better in the US.
>
>
> Well, if you have a choice...
>

If you have a choice its still horses for courses

From:	NOSPAM at NOSPAM.invalid.com
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:03:16 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:09:50 +1300, Tarla wrote:

> It's not about impressing anyone. It's about having access to the best
> teachers, libraries and research facilities.

You'll get that in the UK - not in the USA.

Divine

--
Michael Stutz: "There is an area affecting business and home use where Linux
is greatly deficient, and I see no solution coming at all. I refer to the
area of e-mail viruses - they just don't make them for Linux like they do for
Windows. Same with a lot of those crippling meltdowns and system errors. If
you want a blue screen of death freeze-up, you pretty much have to run Windows
to get it. You won't be able to run those trojan horses that steal all your
passwords and copy your files out to the Internet, and you're out of luck with
all those funny attachments that wreak havoc in the workplace - there isn't
any Linux compatibility here at all."

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:53:04 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:03:16 +1300, "NOSPAM@NOSPAM.invalid.com"
wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:09:50 +1300, Tarla wrote:
>
>> It's not about impressing anyone. It's about having access to the best
>> teachers, libraries and research facilities.
>
>You'll get that in the UK - not in the USA.

Since I have serious doubts about you having ever attended an American
university, your opinion is really quite worthless on the subject.
--
Tarla
****
"Do moral values say when Jesus fed the poor,drove
the moneychangers from the temple,walked with lepers,
defended the harlot,and healed the sick, that he was
practicing wanton immoral liberalism?"
--John Cory

From:	NOSPAM at NOSPAM.invalid.com
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:22:23 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:53:04 +1300, Tarla wrote:

> Since I have serious doubts about you having ever attended an American
> university, your opinion is really quite worthless on the subject.

Why would *any* non-american want to get an american "education"?

Divine

--
The Queen's Mother: "Well I don't know what all you queens are doing,
but this old Queen wants a drink."

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:35:35 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:22:23 +1300, "NOSPAM@NOSPAM.invalid.com"
wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:53:04 +1300, Tarla wrote:
>
>> Since I have serious doubts about you having ever attended an American
>> university, your opinion is really quite worthless on the subject.
>
>Why would *any* non-american want to get an american "education"?
>
It's not an "American" education. It's an education. If you had one,
you'd know that.
--
Tarla
****
"Do moral values say when Jesus fed the poor,drove
the moneychangers from the temple,walked with lepers,
defended the harlot,and healed the sick, that he was
practicing wanton immoral liberalism?"
--John Cory

From:	NOSPAM at NOSPAM.invalid.com
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:52:50 +1300

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:35:35 +1300, Tarla wrote:

> It's not an "American" education. It's an education.

It may be a drawing out, but it's an American drawing out - and that's
simply not worth diddily squat.

Divine

--
43 - for those who require slightly more than the answer to life, the universe
and everything.

From:	JD
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:13:47 GMT

NOSPAM@NOSPAM.invalid.com wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:53:04 +1300, Tarla wrote:
>
>>Since I have serious doubts about you having ever attended an American
>>university, your opinion is really quite worthless on the subject.
>
> Why would *any* non-american want to get an american "education"?

A year at UCLA can be a lot of fun.

From:	Mutlley
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:52:08 +1300

"NOSPAM@NOSPAM.invalid.com" wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:09:50 +1300, Tarla wrote:
>
>> It's not about impressing anyone. It's about having access to the best
>> teachers, libraries and research facilities.
>
>You'll get that in the UK - not in the USA.
>
>
>Divine

Of course in your eyes any that has USA attached to it is bad ..

From:	anon k
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:26:36 GMT

NOSPAM@NOSPAM.invalid.com wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:09:50 +1300, Tarla wrote:
>
>
>>It's not about impressing anyone. It's about having access to the best
>>teachers, libraries and research facilities.
>
>
> You'll get that in the UK - not in the USA.

You should visit Harvard, Yale, Columbia and Princeton, and compare them
with Oxford and Cambridge. You may be surprised at what's available to
students on the Atlantic's western coast.

From:	NOSPAM at NOSPAM.invalid.com
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:45:15 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:26:36 +0000, anon k wrote:

>> You'll get that in the UK - not in the USA.
>
> You should visit Harvard, Yale, Columbia and Princeton, and compare them
> with Oxford and Cambridge. You may be surprised at what's available to
> students on the Atlantic's western coast.

There is nothing of anything worth having in the USA.

The USA is utterly devoid of any cultural value.

Divine

--
The Queen's Mother: "Well I don't know what all you queens are doing,
but this old Queen wants a drink."

From:	Kerry
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:34:57 +1300

In article ,
anon k wrote:

> Good on the girl in Auckland who sought better university education and
> was offered a place at Yale! I hope that more from New Zealand do the
> same instead of accepting what NZ universities now offer.

Yeah right.

Nz universities are so crap that US and Australian universities are
clamouring for Nz postgrads......

From:	anon k
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:04:47 GMT

Kerry wrote:
> In article ,
> anon k wrote:
>
>
>>Good on the girl in Auckland who sought better university education and
>>was offered a place at Yale! I hope that more from New Zealand do the
>>same instead of accepting what NZ universities now offer.
>
>
> Yeah right.
>
> Nz universities are so crap that US and Australian universities are
> clamouring for Nz postgrads......

Clamouring? I don't think so. There are some excellent graduates from
NZ who go to Australia and the good few in the US (not that Australian
universities are all that brilliant) but they are not the ones who just
followed what their courses had to offer. You really have to go out of
your way in a NZ university to get an academic education. Nice
lecturers will help you if that's what you want, but all of the
watered-down coursework exercises don't leave a lot of time to get ahead
on all the things that have dropped out of the syllabus. Much better to
go straight to a good US or European university to start with.

From:	Barry Phease
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:40:32 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:04:47 +0000, anon k wrote:

> Much better to go straight
> to a good US or European university to start with.

The emphasis should be on the word "good" here. Depending on your
discipline some US and european universities are better than any in NZ.
OTOH some are far worse. Even the big name universities suck in some
fields.

If you are prepared to do the research beforehand and find out which
universities excel in what you want to study, AND can arrange a
scholarship to make them affordable you can do better to go overseas.

If you can't get a scholarship or just choose an overseas unviversity
because they are famous you are probably wasting your money. You are
usually much better off finding the best NZ university in your field.

--
Barry Phease

mailto:barryp@es.co.nz
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~barryp

From:	anon k
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:01:01 GMT

Barry Phease wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:04:47 +0000, anon k wrote:
>
>
>> Much better to go straight
>>to a good US or European university to start with.
>
>
> The emphasis should be on the word "good" here. Depending on your
> discipline some US and european universities are better than any in NZ.
> OTOH some are far worse. Even the big name universities suck in some
> fields.
>
> If you are prepared to do the research beforehand and find out which
> universities excel in what you want to study, AND can arrange a
> scholarship to make them affordable you can do better to go overseas.

For postgraduate studies that's very true, but for undergraduates
heading to the Ivy League, it is a very different matter. An American
BA is nothing like NZ, Australian or British undergraduate degrees.
Both options have their intellectual advantages.

But then there's class sizes to consider. There's the contact with high
society and international life, and associated career prospects. There
are the excellent teachers, most of whom are wonderful orators as well
as being at the front edge of their disciplines. There are the
libraries and well-funded extracurricular activities. There are
opportunities to find lots of friends of similar ability and interests.
There are the benefits of living in relatively cosmopolitan
surroundings, with no-catches funding to spend summers in foreign lands.

Unless you're talking about the football colleges or three years of
binge drinking, in which case things are a bit different again. Though
even at the Ivies, you could join a fraternity to get in touch with that
side of life.

It seems to me that NZ universities are no longer equipped to look after
undergraduates of that calibre. The funding system discourages it. Our
brightest would be better catered to in an Ivy League university. Given
the scholarships and so on available, the biggest barrier would seem to
be a combination of fictions: that NZ universities are good enough for
everyone, that the bad US universities represent the good ones, that
it's unaffordable, that only Oxford and Cambridge are worth any
attention, that NZ kids would never get in...

From:	anon k
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:46:40 GMT

From:	Kerry
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:00:46 +1300

In article ,
anon k wrote:

> Barry Phease wrote:
> > On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:04:47 +0000, anon k wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Much better to go straight
> >>to a good US or European university to start with.
> >
> >
> > The emphasis should be on the word "good" here. Depending on your
> > discipline some US and european universities are better than any in NZ.
> > OTOH some are far worse. Even the big name universities suck in some
> > fields.
> >
> > If you are prepared to do the research beforehand and find out which
> > universities excel in what you want to study, AND can arrange a
> > scholarship to make them affordable you can do better to go overseas.
> >
> > If you can't get a scholarship or just choose an overseas unviversity
> > because they are famous you are probably wasting your money. You are
> > usually much better off finding the best NZ university in your field.
> >
>
> I have a feeling that this is why she's cast her net towards the US:
> many more scholarships available there, especially around the Ivies who
> are trying to increase the international diversity among their
> undergraduates. As for The Universities mentioned by someone else, you
> have to be even better to go there because not only do you have to get
> in at the same standards, but they have far less money to give to
> students - especially undergrads.

Exactly

My son is about to go overseas to complete a PhD. What the USA and
Australian universities are offering him far exceeds what is available
to him in NZ. The US grants and allowances are particularly generous.
Venture capital......

Actually what he has found is that departments hold (lots) of funds that
they are expected to spend on their postgrad students, and do. Whereas
in NZ they'll give you a wee job as a tutor and charge you several
thousand dollars in fees.

From:	anon k
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:27:42 GMT

Kerry wrote:
> In article ,
> anon k wrote:
>
>
>>Barry Phease wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:04:47 +0000, anon k wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Much better to go straight
>>>>to a good US or European university to start with.
>>>
>>>
>>>The emphasis should be on the word "good" here. Depending on your
>>>discipline some US and european universities are better than any in NZ.
>>>OTOH some are far worse. Even the big name universities suck in some
>>>fields.
>>>
>>>If you are prepared to do the research beforehand and find out which
>>>universities excel in what you want to study, AND can arrange a
>>>scholarship to make them affordable you can do better to go overseas.
>>>
>>>If you can't get a scholarship or just choose an overseas unviversity
>>>because they are famous you are probably wasting your money. You are
>>>usually much better off finding the best NZ university in your field.
>>>
>>
>>I have a feeling that this is why she's cast her net towards the US:
>>many more scholarships available there, especially around the Ivies who
>>are trying to increase the international diversity among their
>>undergraduates. As for The Universities mentioned by someone else, you
>>have to be even better to go there because not only do you have to get
>>in at the same standards, but they have far less money to give to
>>students - especially undergrads.
>
>
> Exactly
>
> My son is about to go overseas to complete a PhD. What the USA and
> Australian universities are offering him far exceeds what is available
> to him in NZ. The US grants and allowances are particularly generous.
> Venture capital......
>
> Actually what he has found is that departments hold (lots) of funds that
> they are expected to spend on their postgrad students, and do. Whereas
> in NZ they'll give you a wee job as a tutor and charge you several
> thousand dollars in fees.

NZ universities have been offering pretty sizeable scholarships for PhD
studies lately, and advertising them internationally. Hard to know just
how many there are, and what the demand is like, but one doesn't expect
NZ universities to be able to fund all that many of them.

But then they bulk up the advertising with the proximity of skiing,
beaches, native bush... A bit more truth than at James Cook University
in Australia, which describes itself as being sandwiched between
rainforest and tropical beach - without telling prospective students how
big that narrow gap really is!

Any NZ universities riding on the Lord of the Rings wave yet? Study in
the same Tower as Saruman and Gandalf! Myself, I'd rather study in the
same university as Bush.

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:24:02 +1300

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:00:46 +1300, Kerry
wrote:

>In article ,
> anon k wrote:
>
>> Barry Phease wrote:
>> > On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:04:47 +0000, anon k wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Much better to go straight
>> >>to a good US or European university to start with.
>> >
>> >
>> > The emphasis should be on the word "good" here. Depending on your
>> > discipline some US and european universities are better than any in NZ.
>> > OTOH some are far worse. Even the big name universities suck in some
>> > fields.
>> >
>> > If you are prepared to do the research beforehand and find out which
>> > universities excel in what you want to study, AND can arrange a
>> > scholarship to make them affordable you can do better to go overseas.
>> >
>> > If you can't get a scholarship or just choose an overseas unviversity
>> > because they are famous you are probably wasting your money. You are
>> > usually much better off finding the best NZ university in your field.
>> >
>>
>> I have a feeling that this is why she's cast her net towards the US:
>> many more scholarships available there, especially around the Ivies who
>> are trying to increase the international diversity among their
>> undergraduates. As for The Universities mentioned by someone else, you
>> have to be even better to go there because not only do you have to get
>> in at the same standards, but they have far less money to give to
>> students - especially undergrads.
>
>Exactly
>
>My son is about to go overseas to complete a PhD. What the USA and
>Australian universities are offering him far exceeds what is available
>to him in NZ. The US grants and allowances are particularly generous.
>Venture capital......
>
>Actually what he has found is that departments hold (lots) of funds that
>they are expected to spend on their postgrad students, and do. Whereas
>in NZ they'll give you a wee job as a tutor and charge you several
>thousand dollars in fees.

My Master's was paid for by the University. I got a 10K scholarship
that paid all my fees. In addition, I was a teaching assistant. That
and a couple of grants paid all my bills.
--
Tarla
****
"Bother," said Pooh as he buried Piglet's mangled corpse.

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:12:45 +1300

"Tarla" wrote in message
news:rb58v09k9ovas6qj7h9oa0qopil470lpla@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:00:46 +1300, Kerry
> wrote:
>
> >In article ,
> > anon k wrote:
> >
> >> Barry Phease wrote:
> >> > On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:04:47 +0000, anon k wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Much better to go straight
> >> >>to a good US or European university to start with.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The emphasis should be on the word "good" here. Depending on your
> >> > discipline some US and european universities are better than any in NZ.
> >> > OTOH some are far worse. Even the big name universities suck in some
> >> > fields.
> >> >
> >> > If you are prepared to do the research beforehand and find out which
> >> > universities excel in what you want to study, AND can arrange a
> >> > scholarship to make them affordable you can do better to go overseas.
> >> >
> >> > If you can't get a scholarship or just choose an overseas unviversity
> >> > because they are famous you are probably wasting your money. You are
> >> > usually much better off finding the best NZ university in your field.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I have a feeling that this is why she's cast her net towards the US:
> >> many more scholarships available there, especially around the Ivies who
> >> are trying to increase the international diversity among their
> >> undergraduates. As for The Universities mentioned by someone else, you
> >> have to be even better to go there because not only do you have to get
> >> in at the same standards, but they have far less money to give to
> >> students - especially undergrads.
> >
> >Exactly
> >
> >My son is about to go overseas to complete a PhD. What the USA and
> >Australian universities are offering him far exceeds what is available
> >to him in NZ. The US grants and allowances are particularly generous.
> >Venture capital......
> >
> >Actually what he has found is that departments hold (lots) of funds that
> >they are expected to spend on their postgrad students, and do. Whereas
> >in NZ they'll give you a wee job as a tutor and charge you several
> >thousand dollars in fees.
>
> My Master's was paid for by the University. I got a 10K scholarship
> that paid all my fees. In addition, I was a teaching assistant. That
> and a couple of grants paid all my bills.
> --
> Tarla
> ****
> "Bother," said Pooh as he buried Piglet's mangled corpse.

Bet they are none too happy that they wasted their money. To have a star go out
on them would be the pits.

--
John B

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:29:08 +1300

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:12:45 +1300, "John B"
wrote:

>
>Bet they are none too happy that they wasted their money. To have a star go out
>on them would be the pits.

They got their money's worth, I believe.

From:	JD
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 04:48:17 GMT

anon k wrote:
> Good on the girl in Auckland who sought better university education and
> was offered a place at Yale! I hope that more from New Zealand do the
> same instead of accepting what NZ universities now offer.

What is that worthless opinionated tripe?

Different top universities are renowned for their expertise in differing
areas.

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:06:17 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 04:48:17 GMT, JD <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote:

>anon k wrote:
>> Good on the girl in Auckland who sought better university education and
>> was offered a place at Yale! I hope that more from New Zealand do the
>> same instead of accepting what NZ universities now offer.
>
>What is that worthless opinionated tripe?
>
>Different top universities are renowned for their expertise in differing
>areas.

And some are just all-around excellent.
--
Tarla
****
"Do moral values say when Jesus fed the poor,drove
the moneychangers from the temple,walked with lepers,
defended the harlot,and healed the sick, that he was
practicing wanton immoral liberalism?"
--John Cory

From:	JD
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:12:54 GMT

Tarla wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 04:48:17 GMT, JD <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote:
>>anon k wrote:
>>
>>>Good on the girl in Auckland who sought better university education and
>>>was offered a place at Yale! I hope that more from New Zealand do the
>>>same instead of accepting what NZ universities now offer.
>>
>>What is that worthless opinionated tripe?
>>
>>Different top universities are renowned for their expertise in differing
>>areas.
>
> And some are just all-around excellent.

List them. In fact, list just one where every department would be
recognised as a world leader. Betcha can't.

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:39:54 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:12:54 GMT, JD <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote:

>Tarla wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 04:48:17 GMT, JD <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote:
>>>anon k wrote:
>>>
>>>>Good on the girl in Auckland who sought better university education and
>>>>was offered a place at Yale! I hope that more from New Zealand do the
>>>>same instead of accepting what NZ universities now offer.
>>>
>>>What is that worthless opinionated tripe?
>>>
>>>Different top universities are renowned for their expertise in differing
>>>areas.
>>
>> And some are just all-around excellent.
>
>List them. In fact, list just one where every department would be
>recognised as a world leader. Betcha can't.

Harvard, Stanford, UC Berkeley.
--
Tarla
****
"Do moral values say when Jesus fed the poor,drove
the moneychangers from the temple,walked with lepers,
defended the harlot,and healed the sick, that he was
practicing wanton immoral liberalism?"
--John Cory

From:	JD
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:11:13 GMT

Tarla wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:12:54 GMT, JD <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote:
>>Tarla wrote:

>>>>Different top universities are renowned for their expertise in differing
>>>>areas.
>>>
>>>And some are just all-around excellent.
>>
>>List them. In fact, list just one where every department would be
>>recognised as a world leader. Betcha can't.
>
> Harvard, Stanford, UC Berkeley.

Rubbish.

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:29:29 +1300

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:11:13 GMT, JD <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote:

>Tarla wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:12:54 GMT, JD <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote:
>>>Tarla wrote:
>
>>>>>Different top universities are renowned for their expertise in differing
>>>>>areas.
>>>>
>>>>And some are just all-around excellent.
>>>
>>>List them. In fact, list just one where every department would be
>>>recognised as a world leader. Betcha can't.
>>
>> Harvard, Stanford, UC Berkeley.
>
>Rubbish.

ooh, well thought out counter argument!

From:	JD
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:06:33 GMT

Tarla wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:11:13 GMT, JD <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote:
>>Tarla wrote:
>>>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:12:54 GMT, JD <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote:
>>>>Tarla wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Different top universities are renowned for their expertise in differing
>>>>>>areas.
>>>>>
>>>>>And some are just all-around excellent.
>>>>
>>>>List them. In fact, list just one where every department would be
>>>>recognised as a world leader. Betcha can't.
>>>
>>>Harvard, Stanford, UC Berkeley.
>>
>>Rubbish.
>
> ooh, well thought out counter argument!

It doesn't require one - your assertions don't warrant me wasting my time.

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:54:37 +1300

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:06:33 GMT, JD <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote:

>Tarla wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:11:13 GMT, JD <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote:
>>>Tarla wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:12:54 GMT, JD <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote:
>>>>>Tarla wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>Different top universities are renowned for their expertise in differing
>>>>>>>areas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And some are just all-around excellent.
>>>>>
>>>>>List them. In fact, list just one where every department would be
>>>>>recognised as a world leader. Betcha can't.
>>>>
>>>>Harvard, Stanford, UC Berkeley.
>>>
>>>Rubbish.
>>
>> ooh, well thought out counter argument!
>
>It doesn't require one - your assertions don't warrant me wasting my time.

My assertions stand until you prove otherwise.

From:	JD
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:03:39 GMT

Tarla wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:06:33 GMT, JD <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote:
>>Tarla wrote:
>>>On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:11:13 GMT, JD <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote:
>>>>Tarla wrote:
>>>>>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:12:54 GMT, JD <_antipodean_@ubique.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Tarla wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Different top universities are renowned for their expertise in differing
>>>>>>>>areas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And some are just all-around excellent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>List them. In fact, list just one where every department would be
>>>>>>recognised as a world leader. Betcha can't.
>>>>>
>>>>>Harvard, Stanford, UC Berkeley.
>>>>
>>>>Rubbish.
>>>
>>>ooh, well thought out counter argument!
>>
>>It doesn't require one - your assertions don't warrant me wasting my time.
>
> My assertions stand until you prove otherwise.

Correction: Your assertions stand as they are - assertions. As such,
worthless.

From:	Barry Phease
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:52:59 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:06:17 +1300, Tarla wrote:

> And some are just all-around excellent. --

I don't beleive you. Some universities are all-around above average, but
none achieves excellence in every field that they teach.

--
Barry Phease

mailto:barryp@es.co.nz
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~barryp

From:	Tarla
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:39:16 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:52:59 +1300, Barry Phease
wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:06:17 +1300, Tarla wrote:
>
>
>> And some are just all-around excellent. --
>
>I don't beleive you. Some universities are all-around above average, but
>none achieves excellence in every field that they teach.

Perhaps not every field, but in general.
--
Tarla
****
"Do moral values say when Jesus fed the poor,drove
the moneychangers from the temple,walked with lepers,
defended the harlot,and healed the sick, that he was
practicing wanton immoral liberalism?"
--John Cory

From:	anon k
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:27:54 GMT

JD wrote:
> anon k wrote:
>
>> Good on the girl in Auckland who sought better university education
>> and was offered a place at Yale! I hope that more from New Zealand do
>> the same instead of accepting what NZ universities now offer.
>
>
> What is that worthless opinionated tripe?
>
> Different top universities are renowned for their expertise in differing
> areas.

What kind of tripe response is that? Specialist expertise in graduate
research studies is hardly relevant to a general undergraduate education.

From:	JD
Subject:	Re: congratulations due
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:10:45 GMT

anon k wrote:
> JD wrote:
>> anon k wrote:
>>
>>> Good on the girl in Auckland who sought better university education
>>> and was offered a place at Yale! I hope that more from New Zealand
>>> do the same instead of accepting what NZ universities now offer.
>>
>> What is that worthless opinionated tripe?
>>
>> Different top universities are renowned for their expertise in
>> differing areas.
>
> What kind of tripe response is that? Specialist expertise in graduate
> research studies is hardly relevant to a general undergraduate education.

When did this become about graduate research?