The nightmare society that Britain has become. This from a correspondent in
England.
D.
-------------

For some time now there has been a major problem at my local tip - there is
usually a LONG queue and it is possible to approach the tip from the "wrong"
(unsigned and no queue) way and brazenly push in using the car as a sort of
a metal crowbar in a game of dare.

This often happens to me and I dare not challenge the pushers-in.

I've just read that a man who did challenge one of these urban savages has
been MURDERED for it in front of a queue of at least 20 cars which had
perfect line-of-sight of the murder and NONE OF THEM ADMITS TO SEEING A
THING. The victim suffered two fractures of his arm and a beating, then
died of a heart attack soon after.

Police believe witnesses are afraid of retaliation. The tip is right by
Longmead council estate where fatal shootings have occurred amongst drug
dealers in the past, where I was car-jacked and lost my car, and where drug
dealers rule by fear.

What kind of society is it where people are TERRIFIED to challenge
pushers-in and TERRIFIED to admit they saw a MURDER ??

Paul

From:	Redbaiter
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:08:14 +1300

dersu says
> The nightmare society that Britain has become. This from a correspondent in
> England.
> D.
> -------------
>
>
> For some time now there has been a major problem at my local tip - there is
> usually a LONG queue and it is possible to approach the tip from the "wrong"
> (unsigned and no queue) way and brazenly push in using the car as a sort of
> a metal crowbar in a game of dare.
>
> This often happens to me and I dare not challenge the pushers-in.
>
> I've just read that a man who did challenge one of these urban savages has
> been MURDERED for it in front of a queue of at least 20 cars which had
> perfect line-of-sight of the murder and NONE OF THEM ADMITS TO SEEING A
> THING. The victim suffered two fractures of his arm and a beating, then
> died of a heart attack soon after.
>
> Police believe witnesses are afraid of retaliation. The tip is right by
> Longmead council estate where fatal shootings have occurred amongst drug
> dealers in the past, where I was car-jacked and lost my car, and where drug
> dealers rule by fear.
>
> What kind of society is it where people are TERRIFIED to challenge
> pushers-in and TERRIFIED to admit they saw a MURDER ??
>
> Paul
>

A society that the "progressives" have brought upon us...

--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low

"At the core of modern liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding,
ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a
philosophy of sniveling brats." PJ O'Rourke

From:	grimly bubble
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:53:49 +1300

"Redbaiter" wrote in message
news:35fmkmF4l8vo2U1@individual.net...
> dersu says
> > The nightmare society that Britain has become. This from a correspondent
in
> > England.
> > D.
> > -------------
> >
> >
> > For some time now there has been a major problem at my local tip - there
is
> > usually a LONG queue and it is possible to approach the tip from the
"wrong"
> > (unsigned and no queue) way and brazenly push in using the car as a sort
of
> > a metal crowbar in a game of dare.
> >
> > This often happens to me and I dare not challenge the pushers-in.
> >
> > I've just read that a man who did challenge one of these urban savages
has
> > been MURDERED for it in front of a queue of at least 20 cars which had
> > perfect line-of-sight of the murder and NONE OF THEM ADMITS TO SEEING A
> > THING. The victim suffered two fractures of his arm and a beating, then
> > died of a heart attack soon after.
> >
> > Police believe witnesses are afraid of retaliation. The tip is right by
> > Longmead council estate where fatal shootings have occurred amongst drug
> > dealers in the past, where I was car-jacked and lost my car, and where
drug
> > dealers rule by fear.
> >
> > What kind of society is it where people are TERRIFIED to challenge
> > pushers-in and TERRIFIED to admit they saw a MURDER ??
> >
> > Paul
> >
>
> A society that the "progressives" have brought upon us...

Exactly, just hang around New Zealand for a few more years, months even and
you will see exactly the same scenario as soft vote buying PC leftist
acedemics run the integrity of our society into the red.l

>
> --
> Redbaiter
> In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low
>
> "At the core of modern liberalism is the spoiled child -
> miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding,
> ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a
> philosophy of sniveling brats." PJ O'Rourke

From:	Roger Dewhurst
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:19:48 +1300

"grimly bubble" wrote in message
news:41f31e1f@clear.net.nz...
>
> "Redbaiter" wrote in message
> news:35fmkmF4l8vo2U1@individual.net...
> > dersu says

>
> Exactly, just hang around New Zealand for a few more years, months even
and
> you will see exactly the same scenario as soft vote buying PC leftist
> acedemics run the integrity of our society into the red.l
>

Let us not be totally pessimistic. Our politicians may yet get the messages
from the UK and elsewhere before it is too late. After all one ganglion has
managed to fire in George Hawkins' 'brain'. Let us hope that is a start in
the right direction.

R

From:	grimly bubble
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:48:14 +1300

"Roger Dewhurst" wrote in message
news:csv8m3$2c8$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
> "grimly bubble" wrote in message
> news:41f31e1f@clear.net.nz...
> >
> > "Redbaiter" wrote in message
> > news:35fmkmF4l8vo2U1@individual.net...
> > > dersu says
>
> >
> > Exactly, just hang around New Zealand for a few more years, months even
> and
> > you will see exactly the same scenario as soft vote buying PC leftist
> > acedemics run the integrity of our society into the red.l
> >
>
>
> Let us not be totally pessimistic. Our politicians may yet get the
messages
> from the UK and elsewhere before it is too late. After all one ganglion
has
> managed to fire in George Hawkins' 'brain'. Let us hope that is a start
in
> the right direction.
>
> R

Couldn't have been Hawkin's brain surely, It has been AWOL for years.
>
>
>

From:	philip
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:59:08 +1300

grimly bubble wrote:
> "Redbaiter" wrote in message
> news:35fmkmF4l8vo2U1@individual.net...
>
>>dersu says
>>
>>>The nightmare society that Britain has become. This from a correspondent
>
> in
>
>>>England.
>>>D.
>>>-------------
>>>
>>>
>>>For some time now there has been a major problem at my local tip - there
>
> is
>
>>>usually a LONG queue and it is possible to approach the tip from the
>
> "wrong"
>
>>>(unsigned and no queue) way and brazenly push in using the car as a sort
>
> of
>
>>>a metal crowbar in a game of dare.
>>>
>>>This often happens to me and I dare not challenge the pushers-in.
>>>
>>>I've just read that a man who did challenge one of these urban savages
>
> has
>
>>>been MURDERED for it in front of a queue of at least 20 cars which had
>>>perfect line-of-sight of the murder and NONE OF THEM ADMITS TO SEEING A
>>>THING. The victim suffered two fractures of his arm and a beating, then
>>>died of a heart attack soon after.
>>>
>>>Police believe witnesses are afraid of retaliation. The tip is right by
>>>Longmead council estate where fatal shootings have occurred amongst drug
>>>dealers in the past, where I was car-jacked and lost my car, and where
>
> drug
>
>>>dealers rule by fear.
>>>
>>>What kind of society is it where people are TERRIFIED to challenge
>>>pushers-in and TERRIFIED to admit they saw a MURDER ??
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>
>>
>>A society that the "progressives" have brought upon us...
>
>
> Exactly, just hang around New Zealand for a few more years, months even and
> you will see exactly the same scenario as soft vote buying PC leftist
> acedemics run the integrity of our society into the red.l
>
It's strange that a search of the archives reveals no reports at all of
murders at the Longmead tip, nor of murders in the Longmead council estate.

If it happened, prove it. Names, dates, places.

Otherwise we have no choice but to recognise this as typical neocon
scaremongering bullshit.

Philip

From:	joe_90
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:36:33 +1300

philip wrote:
> It's strange that a search of the archives reveals no reports at all of
> murders at the Longmead tip, nor of murders in the Longmead council estate.
>
> If it happened, prove it. Names, dates, places.
>
> Otherwise we have no choice but to recognise this as typical neocon
> scaremongering bullshit.

I remembered reading about an incident similar to this recently and have
managed to find it again on the BBC news web site.

This may not be the item the OP was referring to, but it does bear a
significant resemblance.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4174921.stm

From:	philip
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:57:21 +1300

joe_90 wrote:
> philip wrote:
>
>> It's strange that a search of the archives reveals no reports at all of
>> murders at the Longmead tip, nor of murders in the Longmead council
>> estate.
>>
>> If it happened, prove it. Names, dates, places.
>>
>> Otherwise we have no choice but to recognise this as typical neocon
>> scaremongering bullshit.
>
>
> I remembered reading about an incident similar to this recently and have
> managed to find it again on the BBC news web site.
>
> This may not be the item the OP was referring to, but it does bear a
> significant resemblance.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4174921.stm

thanks for this reference to a sad death.

I don't want to trivialise this death, as Dersu sought to do, but what
we learn from this report is nothing to do with murder.

A man got into a scuffle and died two days later. This is hardly
evidence of the breakdown of society as presented by the Dersus and
Dewhursts that infest this newsgroup.

Philip

From:	grimly bubble
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:27:32 +1300

"philip" wrote in message
news:41f3840c$1_2@127.0.0.1...
> grimly bubble wrote:
> > "Redbaiter" wrote in message
> > news:35fmkmF4l8vo2U1@individual.net...
> >
> >>dersu says
> >>
> >>>The nightmare society that Britain has become. This from a
correspondent
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>England.
> >>>D.
> >>>-------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>For some time now there has been a major problem at my local tip -
there
> >
> > is
> >
> >>>usually a LONG queue and it is possible to approach the tip from the
> >
> > "wrong"
> >
> >>>(unsigned and no queue) way and brazenly push in using the car as a
sort
> >
> > of
> >
> >>>a metal crowbar in a game of dare.
> >>>
> >>>This often happens to me and I dare not challenge the pushers-in.
> >>>
> >>>I've just read that a man who did challenge one of these urban savages
> >
> > has
> >
> >>>been MURDERED for it in front of a queue of at least 20 cars which had
> >>>perfect line-of-sight of the murder and NONE OF THEM ADMITS TO SEEING A
> >>>THING. The victim suffered two fractures of his arm and a beating,
then
> >>>died of a heart attack soon after.
> >>>
> >>>Police believe witnesses are afraid of retaliation. The tip is right
by
> >>>Longmead council estate where fatal shootings have occurred amongst
drug
> >>>dealers in the past, where I was car-jacked and lost my car, and where
> >
> > drug
> >
> >>>dealers rule by fear.
> >>>
> >>>What kind of society is it where people are TERRIFIED to challenge
> >>>pushers-in and TERRIFIED to admit they saw a MURDER ??
> >>>
> >>>Paul
> >>>
> >>
> >>A society that the "progressives" have brought upon us...
> >
> >
> > Exactly, just hang around New Zealand for a few more years, months even
and
> > you will see exactly the same scenario as soft vote buying PC leftist
> > acedemics run the integrity of our society into the red.l
> >
> It's strange that a search of the archives reveals no reports at all of
> murders at the Longmead tip, nor of murders in the Longmead council
estate.
>
> If it happened, prove it. Names, dates, places.
>
> Otherwise we have no choice but to recognise this as typical neocon
> scaremongering bullshit.
>
> Philip

Who is this we?
>

From:	philip
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:51:13 +1300

grimly bubble wrote:
> "philip" wrote in message
> news:41f3840c$1_2@127.0.0.1...
>
>>grimly bubble wrote:
>>
>>>"Redbaiter" wrote in message
>>>news:35fmkmF4l8vo2U1@individual.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>dersu says
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The nightmare society that Britain has become. This from a
>
> correspondent
>
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>>>England.
>>>>>D.
>>>>>-------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>For some time now there has been a major problem at my local tip -
>
> there
>
>>>is
>>>
>>>
>>>>>usually a LONG queue and it is possible to approach the tip from the
>>>
>>>"wrong"
>>>
>>>
>>>>>(unsigned and no queue) way and brazenly push in using the car as a
>
> sort
>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>a metal crowbar in a game of dare.
>>>>>
>>>>>This often happens to me and I dare not challenge the pushers-in.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've just read that a man who did challenge one of these urban savages
>>>
>>>has
>>>
>>>
>>>>>been MURDERED for it in front of a queue of at least 20 cars which had
>>>>>perfect line-of-sight of the murder and NONE OF THEM ADMITS TO SEEING A
>>>>>THING. The victim suffered two fractures of his arm and a beating,
>
> then
>
>>>>>died of a heart attack soon after.
>>>>>
>>>>>Police believe witnesses are afraid of retaliation. The tip is right
>
> by
>
>>>>>Longmead council estate where fatal shootings have occurred amongst
>
> drug
>
>>>>>dealers in the past, where I was car-jacked and lost my car, and where
>>>
>>>drug
>>>
>>>
>>>>>dealers rule by fear.
>>>>>
>>>>>What kind of society is it where people are TERRIFIED to challenge
>>>>>pushers-in and TERRIFIED to admit they saw a MURDER ??
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A society that the "progressives" have brought upon us...
>>>
>>>
>>>Exactly, just hang around New Zealand for a few more years, months even
>
> and
>
>>>you will see exactly the same scenario as soft vote buying PC leftist
>>>acedemics run the integrity of our society into the red.l
>>>
>>
>>It's strange that a search of the archives reveals no reports at all of
>>murders at the Longmead tip, nor of murders in the Longmead council
>
> estate.
>
>>If it happened, prove it. Names, dates, places.
>>
>>Otherwise we have no choice but to recognise this as typical neocon
>>scaremongering bullshit.
>>
>>Philip
>
>
> Who is this we?
>

Me and him and her, and the possum on the roof and Benny down at the dairy.

Now answer the question if you can. Where did this stuff come from?
Where's the evidence?

Philip

From:	grimly bubble
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:22:31 +1300

"philip" wrote in message
news:41f3903f$1_2@127.0.0.1...
> grimly bubble wrote:
> > "philip" wrote in message
> > news:41f3840c$1_2@127.0.0.1...
> >
> >>grimly bubble wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Redbaiter" wrote in message
> >>>news:35fmkmF4l8vo2U1@individual.net...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>dersu says
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>The nightmare society that Britain has become. This from a
> >
> > correspondent
> >
> >>>in
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>England.
> >>>>>D.
> >>>>>-------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>For some time now there has been a major problem at my local tip -
> >
> > there
> >
> >>>is
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>usually a LONG queue and it is possible to approach the tip from the
> >>>
> >>>"wrong"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>(unsigned and no queue) way and brazenly push in using the car as a
> >
> > sort
> >
> >>>of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>a metal crowbar in a game of dare.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>This often happens to me and I dare not challenge the pushers-in.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I've just read that a man who did challenge one of these urban
savages
> >>>
> >>>has
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>been MURDERED for it in front of a queue of at least 20 cars which
had
> >>>>>perfect line-of-sight of the murder and NONE OF THEM ADMITS TO SEEING
A
> >>>>>THING. The victim suffered two fractures of his arm and a beating,
> >
> > then
> >
> >>>>>died of a heart attack soon after.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Police believe witnesses are afraid of retaliation. The tip is right
> >
> > by
> >
> >>>>>Longmead council estate where fatal shootings have occurred amongst
> >
> > drug
> >
> >>>>>dealers in the past, where I was car-jacked and lost my car, and
where
> >>>
> >>>drug
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>dealers rule by fear.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>What kind of society is it where people are TERRIFIED to challenge
> >>>>>pushers-in and TERRIFIED to admit they saw a MURDER ??
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Paul
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>A society that the "progressives" have brought upon us...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Exactly, just hang around New Zealand for a few more years, months even
> >
> > and
> >
> >>>you will see exactly the same scenario as soft vote buying PC leftist
> >>>acedemics run the integrity of our society into the red.l
> >>>
> >>
> >>It's strange that a search of the archives reveals no reports at all of
> >>murders at the Longmead tip, nor of murders in the Longmead council
> >
> > estate.
> >
> >>If it happened, prove it. Names, dates, places.
> >>
> >>Otherwise we have no choice but to recognise this as typical neocon
> >>scaremongering bullshit.
> >>
> >>Philip
> >
> >
> > Who is this we?
> >
>
> Me and him and her, and the possum on the roof and Benny down at the
dairy.
>
> Now answer the question if you can. Where did this stuff come from?
> Where's the evidence?
>
> Philip

Who wants to know, the multiple personalities in your head or this vast army
of discontents that you represent?

From:	philip
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:03:33 +1300

grimly bubble wrote:
(snip)

>>>>>>>What kind of society is it where people are TERRIFIED to challenge
>>>>>>>pushers-in and TERRIFIED to admit they saw a MURDER ??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Paul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A society that the "progressives" have brought upon us...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Exactly, just hang around New Zealand for a few more years, months even
>>>>>and you will see exactly the same scenario as soft vote buying PC leftist
>>>>>acedemics run the integrity of our society into the red.l
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It's strange that a search of the archives reveals no reports at all of
>>>>murders at the Longmead tip, nor of murders in the Longmead council >>>estate.
>>>
>>>
>>>>If it happened, prove it. Names, dates, places.
>>>>
>>>>Otherwise we have no choice but to recognise this as typical neocon
>>>>scaremongering bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>Philip
>>>
>>>
>>>Who is this we?
>>>
>>
>>Me and him and her, and the possum on the roof and Benny down at the
>
> dairy.
>
>>Now answer the question if you can. Where did this stuff come from?
>>Where's the evidence?
>>
>
> Who wants to know, the multiple personalities in your head or this vast army
> of discontents that you represent?
>
What a drearily typical neocon attempt to avoid the question.

I challenge the provenance of a piece of FUD posted by one of the more
demented of the rightist ranters. I wrote that we might recognise it for
neocon scaremongering bullshit.

You try to divert attention from the your total lack of demonstrable
support for Dersu's farrago of invention by challenging the world "we".
No doubt you plan to trot out the usual diatribe about how there"s no
"we", that none of the people here are associated in any way, that no
person here speaks for anyone else. None of which is relevant to the
point that, unsupported, the original text looks like far-out right-wing
propaganda.

It's part of the neocon fiction that "there's no such thing as society"
- the rallying cry of gangsters and terrorists over the years.

The presence of people posting in here, even the terrified cowering
anonymous ones too scared to put their names to the real horror of their
vile beliefs, creates a definable social group. That's "we".

It doesn't make anyone agree with anyone else, but there is a defined
group of people here: people that write in the newsgroup.

Now answer the original question.

Philip

From:	Redbaiter
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:40:34 +1300

philip says
> >
> > Who wants to know, the multiple personalities in your head or this vast army
> > of discontents that you represent?
> >
> What a drearily typical neocon attempt to avoid the question.

Its not an attempt to avoid the question. Brain damaged leftists
reeking of emotional insecurity and without any ability to
reason and using the delusion they speak for the crowd are a
pestilence anywhere rationality needs to prevail.
>
> I challenge the provenance of a piece of FUD posted by one of the more
> demented of the rightist ranters. I wrote that we might recognise it for
> neocon scaremongering bullshit.

Delusion has no place in rational discussion, and anyone who
believes they are more than one person, or speaking for all of
NZ, is a lunatic. That's you Crookes.

Snip rest of worthless deranged left wing dementia provoked
rant...

--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low

"At the core of modern liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding,
ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a
philosophy of sniveling brats." PJ O'Rourke

From:	philip
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:56:39 +1300

Redbaiter wrote:

> Delusion has no place in rational discussion, and anyone who
> believes they are more than one person, or speaking for all of
> NZ, is a lunatic. That's you Crookes.

I have never claimed to speak for anyone else. This is a silly attempt
at a semantic distraction from the fact that Dersu's original post can't
be substantiated or supported.

It hasn't worked.

You have no evidence to support the original post. Nor has the original
poster.

Typical neocon ranting, FUD and bullshit. Nothing new here then.

Philip

From:	Redbaiter
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:05:56 +1300

philip says
> Redbaiter wrote:
>
> > Delusion has no place in rational discussion, and anyone who
> > believes they are more than one person, or speaking for all of
> > NZ, is a lunatic. That's you Crookes.
>
> I have never claimed to speak for anyone else.

A complete fabrication. You do so all the time. Further more,
your writings here prove you also assume to think for other
people. Its a standout personality trait amongst the many that
make you such an odious character.

> This is a silly attempt
> at a semantic distraction from the fact that Dersu's original post can't
> be substantiated or supported.

It may be a sub thread, but its a discussion, and that's what
usenet is about.
>
> It hasn't worked.
>
> You have no evidence to support the original post. Nor has the original
> poster.
>
> Typical neocon ranting, FUD and bullshit. Nothing new here then.
>
You have not yet proved the report false. You are as usual
making groundless allegations. Anyone can do that, but the most
ill mannered are the ones who do it more frequently.

--
Redbaiter
In the leftist's lexicon, the lowest of the low

"At the core of modern liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding,
ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a
philosophy of sniveling brats." PJ O'Rourke

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:45:56 +1300

"philip" wrote in message
news:41f3f593$1_2@127.0.0.1...
> grimly bubble wrote:
> (snip)
>
>
> >>>>>>>What kind of society is it where people are TERRIFIED to challenge
> >>>>>>>pushers-in and TERRIFIED to admit they saw a MURDER ??
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Paul
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>A society that the "progressives" have brought upon us...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Exactly, just hang around New Zealand for a few more years, months even
> >>>>>and you will see exactly the same scenario as soft vote buying PC leftist
> >>>>>acedemics run the integrity of our society into the red.l
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>It's strange that a search of the archives reveals no reports at all of
> >>>>murders at the Longmead tip, nor of murders in the Longmead council
>>>estate.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>If it happened, prove it. Names, dates, places.
> >>>>
> >>>>Otherwise we have no choice but to recognise this as typical neocon
> >>>>scaremongering bullshit.
> >>>>
> >>>>Philip
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Who is this we?
> >>>
> >>
> >>Me and him and her, and the possum on the roof and Benny down at the
> >
> > dairy.
> >
> >>Now answer the question if you can. Where did this stuff come from?
> >>Where's the evidence?
> >>
> >
> > Who wants to know, the multiple personalities in your head or this vast army
> > of discontents that you represent?
> >
> What a drearily typical neocon attempt to avoid the question.
>
> I challenge the provenance of a piece of FUD posted by one of the more
> demented of the rightist ranters. I wrote that we might recognise it for
> neocon scaremongering bullshit.
>
> You try to divert attention from the your total lack of demonstrable
> support for Dersu's farrago of invention by challenging the world "we".
> No doubt you plan to trot out the usual diatribe about how there"s no
> "we", that none of the people here are associated in any way, that no
> person here speaks for anyone else. None of which is relevant to the
> point that, unsupported, the original text looks like far-out right-wing
> propaganda.
>
> It's part of the neocon fiction that "there's no such thing as society"
> - the rallying cry of gangsters and terrorists over the years.
>
> The presence of people posting in here, even the terrified cowering
> anonymous ones too scared to put their names to the real horror of their
> vile beliefs, creates a definable social group. That's "we".

But P, you can only ever speak on your own behalf, unless elected democratically
as a group spokesperson. So stop being so presumptuous and full of your own
self-deluded importance, and shut the fuck up.

>
> It doesn't make anyone agree with anyone else, but there is a defined
> group of people here: people that write in the newsgroup.
>
> Now answer the original question.
>
> Philip

--
John B

From:	Newsman
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:13:40 GMT

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:45:56 +1300, "John B"
wrote:

>"philip" wrote in message
>news:41f3f593$1_2@127.0.0.1...
>> grimly bubble wrote:
>> (snip)
>>
>>
>> >>>>>>>What kind of society is it where people are TERRIFIED to challenge
>> >>>>>>>pushers-in and TERRIFIED to admit they saw a MURDER ??
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Paul
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>A society that the "progressives" have brought upon us...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Exactly, just hang around New Zealand for a few more years, months even
>> >>>>>and you will see exactly the same scenario as soft vote buying PC leftist
>> >>>>>acedemics run the integrity of our society into the red.l
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>It's strange that a search of the archives reveals no reports at all of
>> >>>>murders at the Longmead tip, nor of murders in the Longmead council
>>>>estate.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>If it happened, prove it. Names, dates, places.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Otherwise we have no choice but to recognise this as typical neocon
>> >>>>scaremongering bullshit.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Philip
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Who is this we?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Me and him and her, and the possum on the roof and Benny down at the
>> >
>> > dairy.
>> >
>> >>Now answer the question if you can. Where did this stuff come from?
>> >>Where's the evidence?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Who wants to know, the multiple personalities in your head or this vast army
>> > of discontents that you represent?
>> >
>> What a drearily typical neocon attempt to avoid the question.
>>
>> I challenge the provenance of a piece of FUD posted by one of the more
>> demented of the rightist ranters. I wrote that we might recognise it for
>> neocon scaremongering bullshit.
>>
>> You try to divert attention from the your total lack of demonstrable
>> support for Dersu's farrago of invention by challenging the world "we".
>> No doubt you plan to trot out the usual diatribe about how there"s no
>> "we", that none of the people here are associated in any way, that no
>> person here speaks for anyone else. None of which is relevant to the
>> point that, unsupported, the original text looks like far-out right-wing
>> propaganda.
>>
>> It's part of the neocon fiction that "there's no such thing as society"
>> - the rallying cry of gangsters and terrorists over the years.
>>
>> The presence of people posting in here, even the terrified cowering
>> anonymous ones too scared to put their names to the real horror of their
>> vile beliefs, creates a definable social group. That's "we".
>
>But P, you can only ever speak on your own behalf, unless elected democratically
>as a group spokesperson. So stop being so presumptuous and full of your own
>self-deluded importance, and shut the fuck up.
>
Ah! yet another proponent of free speech tells it like he sees it.

This is the same deluded clappermouth who would seek a utopia for
himself entirely free of the constraints that others tolerate while
crassly attempting to impose his own controls and censorship on them.

The true fascist.

From:	grimly bubble
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:52:08 +1300

"Newsman" wrote in message
news:41f42001.312031@news.actrix.co.nz...
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:45:56 +1300, "John B"
> wrote:
>
> >"philip" wrote in message
> >news:41f3f593$1_2@127.0.0.1...
> >> grimly bubble wrote:
> >> (snip)
> >>
> >>
> >> >>>>>>>What kind of society is it where people are TERRIFIED to
challenge
> >> >>>>>>>pushers-in and TERRIFIED to admit they saw a MURDER ??
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Paul
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>A society that the "progressives" have brought upon us...
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Exactly, just hang around New Zealand for a few more years, months
even
> >> >>>>>and you will see exactly the same scenario as soft vote buying PC
leftist
> >> >>>>>acedemics run the integrity of our society into the red.l
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>It's strange that a search of the archives reveals no reports at
all of
> >> >>>>murders at the Longmead tip, nor of murders in the Longmead council
> >>>>estate.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>If it happened, prove it. Names, dates, places.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Otherwise we have no choice but to recognise this as typical neocon
> >> >>>>scaremongering bullshit.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Philip
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Who is this we?
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>Me and him and her, and the possum on the roof and Benny down at the
> >> >
> >> > dairy.
> >> >
> >> >>Now answer the question if you can. Where did this stuff come from?
> >> >>Where's the evidence?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Who wants to know, the multiple personalities in your head or this
vast army
> >> > of discontents that you represent?
> >> >
> >> What a drearily typical neocon attempt to avoid the question.
> >>
> >> I challenge the provenance of a piece of FUD posted by one of the more
> >> demented of the rightist ranters. I wrote that we might recognise it
for
> >> neocon scaremongering bullshit.
> >>
> >> You try to divert attention from the your total lack of demonstrable
> >> support for Dersu's farrago of invention by challenging the world "we".
> >> No doubt you plan to trot out the usual diatribe about how there"s no
> >> "we", that none of the people here are associated in any way, that no
> >> person here speaks for anyone else. None of which is relevant to the
> >> point that, unsupported, the original text looks like far-out
right-wing
> >> propaganda.
> >>
> >> It's part of the neocon fiction that "there's no such thing as society"
> >> - the rallying cry of gangsters and terrorists over the years.
> >>
> >> The presence of people posting in here, even the terrified cowering
> >> anonymous ones too scared to put their names to the real horror of
their
> >> vile beliefs, creates a definable social group. That's "we".
> >
> >But P, you can only ever speak on your own behalf, unless elected
democratically
> >as a group spokesperson. So stop being so presumptuous and full of your
own
> >self-deluded importance, and shut the fuck up.
> >
> Ah! yet another proponent of free speech tells it like he sees it.
>
> This is the same deluded clappermouth who would seek a utopia for
> himself entirely free of the constraints that others tolerate while
> crassly attempting to impose his own controls and censorship on them.
>
> The true fascist.

Regardless of what you may classify him as, he is a breath of fresh air
compared to you witless boy

From:	grimly bubble
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:50:28 +1300

"philip" wrote in message
news:41f3f593$1_2@127.0.0.1...
> grimly bubble wrote:
> (snip)
>
>
> >>>>>>>What kind of society is it where people are TERRIFIED to challenge
> >>>>>>>pushers-in and TERRIFIED to admit they saw a MURDER ??
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Paul
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>A society that the "progressives" have brought upon us...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Exactly, just hang around New Zealand for a few more years, months
even
> >>>>>and you will see exactly the same scenario as soft vote buying PC
leftist
> >>>>>acedemics run the integrity of our society into the red.l
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>It's strange that a search of the archives reveals no reports at all
of
> >>>>murders at the Longmead tip, nor of murders in the Longmead council
>>>estate.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>If it happened, prove it. Names, dates, places.
> >>>>
> >>>>Otherwise we have no choice but to recognise this as typical neocon
> >>>>scaremongering bullshit.
> >>>>
> >>>>Philip
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Who is this we?
> >>>
> >>
> >>Me and him and her, and the possum on the roof and Benny down at the
> >
> > dairy.
> >
> >>Now answer the question if you can. Where did this stuff come from?
> >>Where's the evidence?
> >>
> >
> > Who wants to know, the multiple personalities in your head or this vast
army
> > of discontents that you represent?
> >
> What a drearily typical neocon attempt to avoid the question.
>
> I challenge the provenance of a piece of FUD posted by one of the more
> demented of the rightist ranters. I wrote that we might recognise it for
> neocon scaremongering bullshit.
>
> You try to divert attention from the your total lack of demonstrable
> support for Dersu's farrago of invention by challenging the world "we".
> No doubt you plan to trot out the usual diatribe about how there"s no
> "we", that none of the people here are associated in any way, that no
> person here speaks for anyone else. None of which is relevant to the
> point that, unsupported, the original text looks like far-out right-wing
> propaganda.
>
> It's part of the neocon fiction that "there's no such thing as society"
> - the rallying cry of gangsters and terrorists over the years.
>
> The presence of people posting in here, even the terrified cowering
> anonymous ones too scared to put their names to the real horror of their
> vile beliefs, creates a definable social group. That's "we".
>
> It doesn't make anyone agree with anyone else, but there is a defined
> group of people here: people that write in the newsgroup.
>
> Now answer the original question.
>
> Philip

You are the master of irrelevancy...piss off and stop wasting band width.

From:	JD
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:13:55 GMT

grimly bubble wrote:
>
> You are the master of irrelevancy...piss off and stop wasting band width.

That would've had more credibility if you had've trimmed the post.

From:	Sue Bilstein
Subject:	Re: UK What kind of society is it ?
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:32:55 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:59:08 +1300, philip
wrote:
>>
>It's strange that a search of the archives reveals no reports at all of
>murders at the Longmead tip, nor of murders in the Longmead council estate.
>
>If it happened, prove it. Names, dates, places.
>
>Otherwise we have no choice but to recognise this as typical neocon
>scaremongering bullshit.
>

What archives were you searching, philip - the web, or something else?

I can find no mention of Longmead murders via google, but presumably
UK local news does not stay online for long.