From:	Peter Huebner
Subject:	yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:59:16 +1300

So I have been thinking about getting an lcd monotor for some time.
Partially because I figured my UPS might actually be able to run monitor
AND computer then , partially to recover some deskspace from the 19"
lg monster I have sitting here, partly because of the supposed benefit
for 'eyestrain', the larger viewing area...

So when Ascent had an HP1955 as a clearance item, I grabbed it.

I am scratching my head, not sure why I ever did this. I find eyestrain
to be much worse, looking at the small print with the higher resolution
(I sure wouldn't want to look at 1280x1024 on a 17" lcd screen, that's
for sure!). Gaming, surprisingly, is no problem at all. The fastest
thing I play is Morrowind, and the monitor has no problems coping with
that. If there are any problems, they lie with games that are low-res,
like 640x480 where the fonts end up looking a bit elongated and weird.

But the worst is the rendition of video. I have tried watching a dvd,
and the colours are way off; the dark bits are too dark, especially skin
tones tend to look either yellow or green tinged and if I manage to get
the settings right for one mpg file, then another will look dreadful.
If I play the same clips on the LG monitor that I have connected to the
second vga port on my video card, they all look good. Spent about 5 or 6
hours last night, playing with colour correction in the nvidia drivers,
and on the hardware, as well as in Nero Showtime, to get some thing
remotely watchable. Now it looks a little brigher, a little washed out,
but at least I can see something that doesn't look like a closeup of
Michel Piccoli made up entirely from red lego bricks with a green tinge.

One of the weirdest things is the sort of 'negative pincushion effect' I
am experiencing. The monitor looks to me as though it was dished in the
middle . Of course I know it's that my brain expects the picture to
be bulging, and can't cope with the changed view ...

Anyway, I dunno. I may give this gadget a few more days to see if I will
grow to like it - but I am just not sure if I really want to keep it for
good.

-Peter

From:	GraB
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:07:47 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:59:16 +1300, Peter Huebner
wrote:

>So I have been thinking about getting an lcd monotor for some time.
>Partially because I figured my UPS might actually be able to run monitor
>AND computer then , partially to recover some deskspace from the 19"
>lg monster I have sitting here, partly because of the supposed benefit
>for 'eyestrain', the larger viewing area...
>
>So when Ascent had an HP1955 as a clearance item, I grabbed it.
>
>I am scratching my head, not sure why I ever did this. I find eyestrain
>to be much worse, looking at the small print with the higher resolution
>(I sure wouldn't want to look at 1280x1024 on a 17" lcd screen, that's
>for sure!). Gaming, surprisingly, is no problem at all. The fastest
>thing I play is Morrowind, and the monitor has no problems coping with
>that. If there are any problems, they lie with games that are low-res,
>like 640x480 where the fonts end up looking a bit elongated and weird.
>
>But the worst is the rendition of video. I have tried watching a dvd,
>and the colours are way off; the dark bits are too dark, especially skin
>tones tend to look either yellow or green tinged and if I manage to get
>the settings right for one mpg file, then another will look dreadful.
>If I play the same clips on the LG monitor that I have connected to the
>second vga port on my video card, they all look good. Spent about 5 or 6
>hours last night, playing with colour correction in the nvidia drivers,
>and on the hardware, as well as in Nero Showtime, to get some thing
>remotely watchable. Now it looks a little brigher, a little washed out,
>but at least I can see something that doesn't look like a closeup of
>Michel Piccoli made up entirely from red lego bricks with a green tinge.
>
>One of the weirdest things is the sort of 'negative pincushion effect' I
>am experiencing. The monitor looks to me as though it was dished in the
>middle . Of course I know it's that my brain expects the picture to
>be bulging, and can't cope with the changed view ...
>
>Anyway, I dunno. I may give this gadget a few more days to see if I will
>grow to like it - but I am just not sure if I really want to keep it for
>good.
>
> -Peter

I have had a good look at LCDs, especially for video, but could not
get enthused. I am very happy with my 19" CRT for DVD.

For the small font issue try EyeRelief for LCDs from
http://www.entechtaiwan.net/index.shtm

From:	Peter Huebner
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:03:16 +1300

In article ,
grab@whatever.co.nz says...
>
> For the small font issue try EyeRelief for LCDs from
> http://www.entechtaiwan.net/index.shtm
>

Hey, thanks - that works a treat. Even at 110% I find the eyestrain
relieved considerably without too much blockyness being introduced.

-P.

From:	wogers nemesis
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:34:34 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:59:16 +1300, Peter Huebner wrote:

> So I have been thinking about getting an lcd monotor for some time.
> Partially because I figured my UPS might actually be able to run monitor
> AND computer then , partially to recover some deskspace from the 19"
> lg monster I have sitting here, partly because of the supposed benefit
> for 'eyestrain', the larger viewing area...
>
> So when Ascent had an HP1955 as a clearance item, I grabbed it.
>
> I am scratching my head, not sure why I ever did this. I find eyestrain
> to be much worse, looking at the small print with the higher resolution
> (I sure wouldn't want to look at 1280x1024 on a 17" lcd screen, that's
> for sure!). Gaming, surprisingly, is no problem at all. The fastest
> thing I play is Morrowind, and the monitor has no problems coping with
> that. If there are any problems, they lie with games that are low-res,
> like 640x480 where the fonts end up looking a bit elongated and weird.
>
Yes this is a big problem for some people. Of course you can just increase
your font size (not possible with everything though). This is why 19"
might be the way to go. To enjoy games yes you probably need to have
something that can cope at that high res.

> But the worst is the rendition of video. I have tried watching a dvd,
> and the colours are way off; the dark bits are too dark, especially skin
> tones tend to look either yellow or green tinged and if I manage to get
> the settings right for one mpg file, then another will look dreadful.
> If I play the same clips on the LG monitor that I have connected to the
> second vga port on my video card, they all look good. Spent about 5 or 6
> hours last night, playing with colour correction in the nvidia drivers,
> and on the hardware, as well as in Nero Showtime, to get some thing
> remotely watchable. Now it looks a little brigher, a little washed out,
> but at least I can see something that doesn't look like a closeup of
> Michel Piccoli made up entirely from red lego bricks with a green tinge.

Sounds like just a poor screen with crap contrast and that horrible colour
dithering going on. Can you not change the gamma on the LCD itself?

> One of the weirdest things is the sort of 'negative pincushion effect' I
> am experiencing. The monitor looks to me as though it was dished in the
> middle . Of course I know it's that my brain expects the picture to
> be bulging, and can't cope with the changed view ...
>

You will get used to it. I have a CRT screen that people have said looks
concaved ;-)
> Anyway, I dunno. I may give this gadget a few more days to see if I will
> grow to like it - but I am just not sure if I really want to keep it for
> good.
>
> -Peter

It takes a while to get used to a new screen. I've seen people out there
will some terrible quality CRTs and they don't complain. I have to say
though these cheap LCDS suck, avoid them.

From:	bambam
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	23 Jan 2005 09:37:11 GMT

wogers nemesis wrote in
news:t8vuvmsqr8f7.1upfyxfv1v3ds.dlg@40tude.net:

> It takes a while to get used to a new screen. I've seen people out
> there will some terrible quality CRTs and they don't complain. I have
> to say though these cheap LCDS suck, avoid them.

Not long before Xmas I bought a Polyview (CMV) V17E for under $500, I recon
it is bloody good. Far better than my old Viewsonic E70.

From:	BIG Bear at bearcat.com.au
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:35:08 +1300

From:	Peter Huebner
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:26:14 +1300

In article <78h6v013vcp30ri5quij5sajreqvr1r3s7@4ax.com>, BIG Bear
@bearcat.com.au says...
>
>
> Well you brought utter Crap, do some research before you rush in..
>
> And Why was it a clearance Item because its CRAP..
>
>
> HP do not make any monitors at all.
>

Oh great Guru, I probably have a 17 inch phantom sitting on my desk
then.

Sheesh.

Here is one of your beloved web references

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1738352,00.asp

If someone gives it the editor's award, can it be crap(tm)?

I won't bother to give you the other sites, test lab publications and
discussion forums about this monitor that I perused extensively, since I
do not expect you to be fluent in German. Suffice it to say that I
gleaned the info that the panel is apparently a Samsung panel, but that
the electronics are HP.
And that the electronics supposedly manage to elicit better performance
from this panel than Samsung's own. Since I do not have both items
sitting here, AND appropriate testing equipment, I can obviously not
vouch for that information.

Not to mention the fact that that was not what my original post was all
about.

Ye gods Roger, you have managed to get the 'stupid old trout' award yet
again. Do you never get tired of the taste of foot in mouth? There might
be something on it that a dog had done, y'know? Look up 'reasonable and
measured response'.

-Peter

From:	Peter Huebner
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:52:12 +1300

In article ,
no.one@this.address says...
>
> Oh great Guru, I probably have a 17 inch phantom sitting on my desk
> then.
>

Whoops, make that a 17 *pound* phantom ( and it _looks_ like a 19"
monitor).

-P.

From:	Brian Withers
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:17:03 +1300

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:52:12 +1300, Peter Huebner wrote:

>In article ,
>no.one@this.address says...
>>
>> Oh great Guru, I probably have a 17 inch phantom sitting on my desk
>> then.
>>
>
>Whoops, make that a 17 *pound* phantom ( and it _looks_ like a 19"
>monitor).
>
>-P.

Then Open it up and find who made it..

And if it breaks down see if you can get parts for it..

There a fool born every mins..

From:	Brian Withers
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:15:18 +1300

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:26:14 +1300, Peter Huebner wrote:

>In article <78h6v013vcp30ri5quij5sajreqvr1r3s7@4ax.com>, BIG Bear
>@bearcat.com.au says...
>>
>>
>> Well you brought utter Crap, do some research before you rush in..
>>
>> And Why was it a clearance Item because its CRAP..
>>
>>
>> HP do not make any monitors at all.
>>
>
>Oh great Guru, I probably have a 17 inch phantom sitting on my desk
>then.
>
>Sheesh.
>
>Here is one of your beloved web references
>
>http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1738352,00.asp
>
>If someone gives it the editor's award, can it be crap(tm)?
>
>I won't bother to give you the other sites, test lab publications and
>discussion forums about this monitor that I perused extensively, since I
>do not expect you to be fluent in German. Suffice it to say that I
>gleaned the info that the panel is apparently a Samsung panel, but that
>the electronics are HP.
>And that the electronics supposedly manage to elicit better performance
>from this panel than Samsung's own. Since I do not have both items
>sitting here, AND appropriate testing equipment, I can obviously not
>vouch for that information.
>
>Not to mention the fact that that was not what my original post was all
>about.
>
>Ye gods Roger, you have managed to get the 'stupid old trout' award yet
>again. Do you never get tired of the taste of foot in mouth? There might
>be something on it that a dog had done, y'know? Look up 'reasonable and
>measured response'.
>
>-Peter

I in the Trade Dick Head and I am stating FACTs little Boy..

I also fix HP Monitors

From:	MarkH
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:56:30 GMT

Brian Withers wrote in
news:b9c7v0p9baegnmcjegjcltfeeetpjc5kvm@4ax.com:

> I in the Trade Dick Head and I am stating FACTs little Boy..
>
> I also fix HP Monitors

Absolute BULLSHIT! HP do not make any monitors at all!

Proof of what I say:
BIG Bear @bearcat.com.au wrote:
>HP do not make any monitors at all.

Either Brian Withers is a LIAR or BIG Bear is a LIAR, I invite Roger to
explain which!

PS
This is fun.

--
Mark Heyes (New Zealand)
See my pics at www.gigatech.co.nz (last updated 20-Jan-05)
"There are 10 types of people, those that
understand binary and those that don't"

From:	-=[Waylon Smithers]=-
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:30:23 +1300

> I in the Trade Dick Head and I am stating FACTs little Boy..
You're in the Trade of Dick Heads ? Admirable, you must be their chairman.

> I also fix HP Monitors

But you've also said "HP DO NOT MAKE MONITORS or a lot of there products"

So now you say you fix monitors that you say they don't make ??????

Gee, even for you Woger, that's pretty fucking stupid !

But that's what you get for being on the web at 3am because you have no
friends and no life.

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:09:06 +1300

"-=[Waylon Smithers]=-" wrote
in message news:ct151f$1mf$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> > I in the Trade Dick Head and I am stating FACTs little Boy..
> You're in the Trade of Dick Heads ? Admirable, you must be their chairman.
>
> > I also fix HP Monitors
>
> But you've also said "HP DO NOT MAKE MONITORS or a lot of there products"
>
> So now you say you fix monitors that you say they don't make ??????
>
> Gee, even for you Woger, that's pretty fucking stupid !
>
> But that's what you get for being on the web at 3am because you have no
> friends and no life.

Well if they are branded as HP monitors, they are HP monitors. Because they have
someone else make them for them, doesn't mean they aren't HP monitors.

The house you own, is it yours, or does it belong to the builder?

Who's being stupid?

--
John B

From:	-=[Waylon Smithers]=-
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:44:53 +1300

> Well if they are branded as HP monitors, they are HP monitors. Because they have
> someone else make them for them, doesn't mean they aren't HP monitors.

You need to re-read Wogers postings, as painful as they are.

"HP do not make monitors"
"I repair HP monitors"

So who's being stupid you ask ?

Woger. Again. Another week, another weirdo claim by him. Maybe 2005 will
prove to be the year he grows up. Unlikely, but I'm ever hopeful.

From:	Jerry
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:34:02 +1300

-=[Waylon Smithers]=- wrote:
>> Well if they are branded as HP monitors, they are HP monitors. Because
>> they have
>> someone else make them for them, doesn't mean they aren't HP monitors.
>
>
> You need to re-read Wogers postings, as painful as they are.
>
> "HP do not make monitors"
> "I repair HP monitors"
>
> So who's being stupid you ask ?
>
> Woger. Again. Another week, another weirdo claim by him. Maybe 2005 will
> prove to be the year he grows up. Unlikely, but I'm ever hopeful.

HP do not make monitors

HP sell re-badged monitors made by another manufacturer as HP monitors

Roger repairs HP monitors, so he repairs re-baged monitors

Where is the problem with that?

Jerry

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:59:32 +1300

"-=[Waylon Smithers]=-" wrote
in message news:ct19d4$4rn$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> > Well if they are branded as HP monitors, they are HP monitors. Because they
have
> > someone else make them for them, doesn't mean they aren't HP monitors.
>
> You need to re-read Wogers postings, as painful as they are.
>
> "HP do not make monitors"

They contract that out. Just like you could contract someone to build Waylon's
house(s). Doesn't make the house(s) "not" Waylon's now does it?

> "I repair HP monitors"

He repairs HP monitors. I can understand that. Just as Joe Doe may repair
Waylon's house(s).

>
> So who's being stupid you ask ?
>
> Woger. Again. Another week, another weirdo claim by him. Maybe 2005 will
> prove to be the year he grows up. Unlikely, but I'm ever hopeful.
>

From:	-=[Waylon Smithers]=-
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:50:35 +1300

>>"HP do not make monitors"
> They contract that out. Just like you could contract someone to build Waylon's
> house(s). Doesn't make the house(s) "not" Waylon's now does it?

Umm, you really need to talk to Woger about his postings. And his
statements.

Seeing he's making them.

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:07:56 +1300

"-=[Waylon Smithers]=-" wrote
in message news:ct1d8b$7th$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> >>"HP do not make monitors"
> > They contract that out. Just like you could contract someone to build
Waylon's
> > house(s). Doesn't make the house(s) "not" Waylon's now does it?
>
> Umm, you really need to talk to Woger about his postings. And his
> statements.
>
> Seeing he's making them.

Mmm, no.. it's what you have said that I was questioning.

--
John B

From:	-=[Waylon Smithers]=-
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:46:43 +1300

> Mmm, no.. it's what you have said that I was questioning.

?

WOgers wamblings :

"HP do not make monitors"
"I repair HP monitors"

goto 1

\

An endless loop exists.

From:	John B
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:11:40 +1300

"-=[Waylon Smithers]=-" <

> WOgers wamblings :

Your wamblings actually is what I was talking about.

>
> "HP do not make monitors"

But someone else makes them for HP.

> "I repair HP monitors"

CORRECT! YAY.

--
John B

From:	MarkH
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:40:37 GMT

"John B" wrote in news:41f42c53$1@clear.net.nz:

> "-=[Waylon Smithers]=-"
> wrote in message
> news:ct19d4$4rn$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> > Well if they are branded as HP monitors, they are HP monitors.
>> > Because they
> have
>> > someone else make them for them, doesn't mean they aren't HP
>> > monitors.
>>
>> You need to re-read Wogers postings, as painful as they are.
>>
>> "HP do not make monitors"
>
> They contract that out. Just like you could contract someone to build
> Waylon's house(s). Doesn't make the house(s) "not" Waylon's now does
> it?
>
>> "I repair HP monitors"
>
> He repairs HP monitors. I can understand that. Just as Joe Doe may
> repair Waylon's house(s).

Rogers statement #1 is that there is no such thing as an HP monitor because
HP do not make monitors.

Rogers statement #2 is that he repairs HP monitors.

How dense do you have to be to not see that there is something here that we
can call Roger on?

--
Mark Heyes (New Zealand)
See my pics at www.gigatech.co.nz (last updated 20-Jan-05)
"There are 10 types of people, those that
understand binary and those that don't"

From:	Chris Hope
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:17:17 +1300

John B wrote:

> "-=[Waylon Smithers]=-"
> wrote in message
> news:ct151f$1mf$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> > I in the Trade Dick Head and I am stating FACTs little Boy..
>> You're in the Trade of Dick Heads ? Admirable, you must be their
>> chairman.
>>
>> > I also fix HP Monitors
>>
>> But you've also said "HP DO NOT MAKE MONITORS or a lot of there
>> products"
>>
>> So now you say you fix monitors that you say they don't make ??????
>>
>> Gee, even for you Woger, that's pretty fucking stupid !
>>
>> But that's what you get for being on the web at 3am because you have
>> no friends and no life.
>
> Well if they are branded as HP monitors, they are HP monitors. Because
> they have someone else make them for them, doesn't mean they aren't HP
> monitors.

According to Woger that means they're not HP monitors. There was a
thread a few days ago about CDRs and we had the same argument with him
then.

> The house you own, is it yours, or does it belong to the builder?
>
> Who's being stupid?

Have a guess.

--
Chris Hope - The Electric Toolbox - http://www.electrictoolbox.com/

From:	pixel
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:56:30 +1300

BIG Bear @bearcat.com.au wrote:
> Well you brought utter Crap, do some research before you rush in..
>
> And Why was it a clearance Item because its CRAP..
>
>
> HP do not make any monitors at all.

check out the HP widescreen 23" L2335:

http://reviews.designtechnica.com/review_printerfriendly1695.html

From:	Brian Withers
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:51:48 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:56:30 +1300, pixel wrote:

>BIG Bear @bearcat.com.au wrote:
>> Well you brought utter Crap, do some research before you rush in..
>>
>> And Why was it a clearance Item because its CRAP..
>>
>>
>> HP do not make any monitors at all.
>
>check out the HP widescreen 23" L2335:
>
>http://reviews.designtechnica.com/review_printerfriendly1695.html

Yes a badged Job and what sort of Warrantee do you get..?

HP DO NOT MAKE MONITORS or a lot of there products..

From:	pixel
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:52:15 +1300

Brian Withers wrote:
> Yes a badged Job and what sort of Warrantee do you get..?

a badged job that's the best competition for the Apple Cinema Screen...?
The warranty: 3 years on-site ain't too shabby :) as for the dead pixel
policy, like many LCDs that's whatever you're smart enough to negociate for.

u really r a tard dude.

From:	Chris Hope
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:50:53 +1300

BIG Bear @bearcat.com.au wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:59:16 +1300, Peter Huebner
> wrote:
>
>>So I have been thinking about getting an lcd monotor for some time.
>>Partially because I figured my UPS might actually be able to run
>>monitor AND computer then , partially to recover some deskspace
>>from the 19" lg monster I have sitting here, partly because of the
>>supposed benefit for 'eyestrain', the larger viewing area...
>>
>>So when Ascent had an HP1955 as a clearance item, I grabbed it.
>
> Well you brought utter Crap, do some research before you rush in..
>
> And Why was it a clearance Item because its CRAP..
>
> HP do not make any monitors at all.

So what if HP don't actually manufacture the monitors themselves? It's
still marketed as an HP monitor and sold by HP and makes HP $$ and
profits and they have to stand by that monitor.

In your world we'd never even be able to call any computer an "ABC
Manufacturer" computer - it would have to be an eg
intel-nvidia-liteon-gigabyte-transcend-etc-etc computer.

--
Chris Hope - The Electric Toolbox - http://www.electrictoolbox.com/

From:	Thor
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:25:10 +1300

Chris Hope wrote:

> BIG Bear @bearcat.com.au wrote:
>

>>>So when Ascent had an HP1955 as a clearance item, I grabbed it.
>>
>> Well you brought utter Crap, do some research before you rush in..
>>
>> And Why was it a clearance Item because its CRAP..
>>
>> HP do not make any monitors at all.
>
> So what if HP don't actually manufacture the monitors themselves? It's
> still marketed as an HP monitor and sold by HP and makes HP $$ and
> profits and they have to stand by that monitor.
>
> In your world we'd never even be able to call any computer an "ABC
> Manufacturer" computer - it would have to be an eg
> intel-nvidia-liteon-gigabyte-transcend-etc-etc computer.

My thoughts exactly Chris, the branding makes it that manufacturers product
even if they outsource it. They still have to stand by it and honour its
warranty etc.

From:	Brian Withers
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:48:49 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:25:10 +1300, Thor wrote:

>Chris Hope wrote:
>
>> BIG Bear @bearcat.com.au wrote:
>>
>
>>>>So when Ascent had an HP1955 as a clearance item, I grabbed it.
>>>
>>> Well you brought utter Crap, do some research before you rush in..
>>>
>>> And Why was it a clearance Item because its CRAP..
>>>
>>> HP do not make any monitors at all.
>>
>> So what if HP don't actually manufacture the monitors themselves? It's
>> still marketed as an HP monitor and sold by HP and makes HP $$ and
>> profits and they have to stand by that monitor.
>>
>> In your world we'd never even be able to call any computer an "ABC
>> Manufacturer" computer - it would have to be an eg
>> intel-nvidia-liteon-gigabyte-transcend-etc-etc computer.
>
>My thoughts exactly Chris, the branding makes it that manufacturers product
>even if they outsource it. They still have to stand by it and honour its
>warranty etc.
>
>

Yes and when the Warrantee ends, you are up the creek as they don't carry
spares..

From:	Brian Withers
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:47:23 +1300

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:50:53 +1300, Chris Hope
wrote:

>BIG Bear @bearcat.com.au wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:59:16 +1300, Peter Huebner
>> wrote:
>>
>>>So I have been thinking about getting an lcd monotor for some time.
>>>Partially because I figured my UPS might actually be able to run
>>>monitor AND computer then , partially to recover some deskspace
>>>from the 19" lg monster I have sitting here, partly because of the
>>>supposed benefit for 'eyestrain', the larger viewing area...
>>>
>>>So when Ascent had an HP1955 as a clearance item, I grabbed it.
>>
>> Well you brought utter Crap, do some research before you rush in..
>>
>> And Why was it a clearance Item because its CRAP..
>>
>> HP do not make any monitors at all.
>
>So what if HP don't actually manufacture the monitors themselves? It's
>still marketed as an HP monitor and sold by HP and makes HP $$ and
>profits and they have to stand by that monitor.
>
>In your world we'd never even be able to call any computer an "ABC
>Manufacturer" computer - it would have to be an eg
>intel-nvidia-liteon-gigabyte-transcend-etc-etc computer.

Plus no Spares..

From:	Chris Hope
Subject:	Re: yet another lcd monotor thread - thoughts of a not_really_convert
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:38:36 +1300