On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:01:27 +1300, thing wrote:

> If I was looking for an IT job on South Island, where would I look?
>
> Most agencies seem to have little outside WGTN and Auckland....
>
> thanks
>
> Thing

have you tried cold calling companies/ making friends with their it staff?
judging by some of the replies .. its not what you know.. its who you
know... as per normal :\

From:	thing
Subject:	Re: Looking for a job
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:46:46 +1300

froggy wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:01:27 +1300, thing wrote:
>
>
>>If I was looking for an IT job on South Island, where would I look?
>>
>>Most agencies seem to have little outside WGTN and Auckland....
>>
>>thanks
>>
>>Thing
>
>
> have you tried cold calling companies/ making friends with their it staff?
> judging by some of the replies .. its not what you know.. its who you
> know... as per normal :\
>

yep, I agree.

However, if a compnay just wants to employ people "it knows" then would
I want to work for such a company?

Probably not....

regards

Thing

From:	Mercury
Subject:	Re: Looking for a job
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:28:58 +1300

advertising and interviewing is a hassles. a big risky hassle.
if an existing employee knows someone, that is a verified reference and part
of the job done already.

"thing" wrote in message news:41f2c9c6$1@clear.net.nz...
> froggy wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:01:27 +1300, thing wrote:
>>
>>
>>>If I was looking for an IT job on South Island, where would I look?
>>>
>>>Most agencies seem to have little outside WGTN and Auckland....
>>>
>>>thanks
>>>
>>>Thing
>>
>>
>> have you tried cold calling companies/ making friends with their it
>> staff?
>> judging by some of the replies .. its not what you know.. its who you
>> know... as per normal :\
>>
>
> yep, I agree.
>
> However, if a compnay just wants to employ people "it knows" then would I
> want to work for such a company?
>
> Probably not....
>
> regards
>
> Thing
>
>

From:	Collector»NZ
Subject:	Re: Looking for a job
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:37:16 +1300

thing said the following on 21/01/2005 4:01 p.m.:
> If I was looking for an IT job on South Island, where would I look?
>
> Most agencies seem to have little outside WGTN and Auckland....
>
> thanks
>
> Thing
>
Seek list a few in ChCh a now and then in Nelson and the odd one in
Dunedin, It appears there is very little need for IT in the South
Island, I have been watching for a while now.

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From:	Dave - Dave.net.nz
Subject:	Re: Looking for a job
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:42:56 +1300

Collector»NZ wrote:
>> If I was looking for an IT job on South Island, where would I look?
>> Most agencies seem to have little outside WGTN and Auckland....

> Seek list a few in ChCh a now and then in Nelson and the odd one in
> Dunedin, It appears there is very little need for IT in the South
> Island, I have been watching for a while now.

In Dunedin the need is high, but the community almost always knows
someone who knows someone who can do the job, so a lot of it is not
advertised... if you're coming from outside, it is fairly hard until you
have become known in the area.

From:	Collector»NZ
Subject:	Re: Looking for a job
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:47:56 +1300

Dave - Dave.net.nz said the following on 21/01/2005 4:42 p.m.:
> Collector»NZ wrote:
>
>>> If I was looking for an IT job on South Island, where would I look?
>>> Most agencies seem to have little outside WGTN and Auckland....
>
>
>> Seek list a few in ChCh a now and then in Nelson and the odd one in
>> Dunedin, It appears there is very little need for IT in the South
>> Island, I have been watching for a while now.
>
>
> In Dunedin the need is high, but the community almost always knows
> someone who knows someone who can do the job, so a lot of it is not
> advertised... if you're coming from outside, it is fairly hard until you
> have become known in the area.
Yep a typical South Island culture, it was like it when i left the south
and no doubt will be like it when/if i return

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From:	Dave - Dave.net.nz
Subject:	Re: Looking for a job
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:52:59 +1300

Collector»NZ wrote:
>>> Seek list a few in ChCh a now and then in Nelson and the odd one in
>>> Dunedin, It appears there is very little need for IT in the South
>>> Island, I have been watching for a while now.

>> In Dunedin the need is high, but the community almost always knows
>> someone who knows someone who can do the job, so a lot of it is not
>> advertised... if you're coming from outside, it is fairly hard until
>> you have become known in the area.

> Yep a typical South Island culture, it was like it when i left the south
> and no doubt will be like it when/if i return

I left for two years, came back, and was re-asymilated within a month :)

From:	Collector»NZ
Subject:	Re: Looking for a job
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:09:37 +1300

Dave - Dave.net.nz said the following on 21/01/2005 4:52 p.m.:
> Collector»NZ wrote:
>
>>>> Seek list a few in ChCh a now and then in Nelson and the odd one in
>>>> Dunedin, It appears there is very little need for IT in the South
>>>> Island, I have been watching for a while now.
>
>
>>> In Dunedin the need is high, but the community almost always knows
>>> someone who knows someone who can do the job, so a lot of it is not
>>> advertised... if you're coming from outside, it is fairly hard until
>>> you have become known in the area.
>
>
>> Yep a typical South Island culture, it was like it when i left the
>> south and no doubt will be like it when/if i return
>
>
> I left for two years, came back, and was re-asymilated within a month :)
I have been away for 30 years off and on, spent a year and a half back
in Dunedin about 20 years ago, but would love to come back again.

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From:	Dave - Dave.net.nz
Subject:	Re: Looking for a job
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:18:58 +1300

Collector»NZ wrote:
>> I left for two years, came back, and was re-asymilated within a month :)

> I have been away for 30 years off and on, spent a year and a half back
> in Dunedin about 20 years ago, but would love to come back again.

once the house is sorted(just bought a wreck), you're welcome to stay.

From:	thing
Subject:	Re: Looking for a job
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:52:11 +1300

Collector»NZ wrote:
> thing said the following on 21/01/2005 4:01 p.m.:
>
>> If I was looking for an IT job on South Island, where would I look?
>>
>> Most agencies seem to have little outside WGTN and Auckland....
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Thing
>>
> Seek list a few in ChCh a now and then in Nelson and the odd one in
> Dunedin, It appears there is very little need for IT in the South
> Island, I have been watching for a while now.
>
>
>

Ive been watching for about a year....very little.....not one job to
interest me....

regards

Thing

From:	joe_90
Subject:	Re: Looking for a job
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:39:05 +1300

thing wrote:

> Ive been watching for about a year....very little.....not one job to
> interest me....

It doesn't really stand well with the 'skills shortage' claim that is
continually trotted out.

From:	John Doe
Subject:	Re: Looking for a job
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:14:40 +1300

"Collector»NZ" wrote in message
news:35bbujF4j8t6eU1@individual.net...
> thing said the following on 21/01/2005 4:01 p.m.:
>> If I was looking for an IT job on South Island, where would I look?
>>
>> Most agencies seem to have little outside WGTN and Auckland....
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Thing
>>
> Seek list a few in ChCh a now and then in Nelson and the odd one in
> Dunedin, It appears there is very little need for IT in the South Island,
> I have been watching for a while now.

In Nelson? There are simply no IT jobs there. Dunedin is like heaven by
comparison.

From:	Collector»NZ
Subject:	Re: Looking for a job
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:58:54 +1300

John Doe said the following on 23/01/2005 10:14 a.m.:
> "Collector»NZ" wrote in message
> news:35bbujF4j8t6eU1@individual.net...
>
>>thing said the following on 21/01/2005 4:01 p.m.:
>>
>>>If I was looking for an IT job on South Island, where would I look?
>>>
>>>Most agencies seem to have little outside WGTN and Auckland....
>>>
>>>thanks
>>>
>>>Thing
>>>
>>
>>Seek list a few in ChCh a now and then in Nelson and the odd one in
>>Dunedin, It appears there is very little need for IT in the South Island,
>>I have been watching for a while now.
>
>
> In Nelson? There are simply no IT jobs there. Dunedin is like heaven by
> comparison.
>
>
About 5 advertised in the last three months that I know of.

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From:	SNOman
Subject:	Re: Looking for a job
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:06:27 +1300

thing wrote:
> If I was looking for an IT job on South Island, where would I look?
>
> Most agencies seem to have little outside WGTN and Auckland....
>
> thanks
>
> Thing
>
You could ask at your local Pak N Save :-)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3157852a28,00.html

I know it says lower north island but hey I've just opened a beer and
it's gone straight to my head :-)

From:	Mercury
Subject:	Re: Looking for a job
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:08:35 +1300

where are you looking?
print media has a response rate of < 10% that of online advertising (for IT
positions).
IE a position advertised in both attracted 96% of responses from online
advertising and 4% from the paper.
92% of applications were by email... Majority were in region, a few out of
region, and 1 was overseas. When the majority of applicants are in region,
any out of region will not get a look in so long as candidate quality is
good.

FYI:
Cover letters must address the requirements of the position and how your
nomination will satisfy the stated requirements. CV's must detail that -
highlight how qual's and exp' address the position requirements.

So, each application needs to specifically address the position and answer
the questions How and Why you are a good candidate. Reaserach the company,
the technology they use...

Some think a generic flat CV covering all experience with "equal" detail is
OK. Some think a rewrite for a specific position is not telling the truth.
The important thing is to address the requirements and not bore the reader
with unncessary detail about irrelevant exeperience. Think Expand /
Collapse - particularly if the cv would end up being too long. It is
important to answer all questions in the CV. EG where do you..., how long
did you..., what level of ... did you do, and when.., along with what were
you doing in between from the time you left school.

BOL.

"thing" wrote in message
news:1106276490.460301@totara.its.vuw.ac.nz...
> If I was looking for an IT job on South Island, where would I look?
>
> Most agencies seem to have little outside WGTN and Auckland....
>
> thanks
>
> Thing
>

From:	thing
Subject:	Re: Looking for a job
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:24:20 +1300

Mercury wrote:
> where are you looking?

stuff.co.nz, jobuniverse.co.nz, seek.co.nz, specific agencies like elan,
sapphire etc etc, left CVs with local small agencies in Nelson.

I was just wondering if I had missed any bases.

> print media has a response rate of < 10% that of online advertising (for IT
> positions).
> IE a position advertised in both attracted 96% of responses from online
> advertising and 4% from the paper.
> 92% of applications were by email... Majority were in region, a few out of
> region, and 1 was overseas. When the majority of applicants are in region,
> any out of region will not get a look in so long as candidate quality is
> good.

Yes my experience agrees, one job they rang after 7~8 weeks inviting me
for an interview (they tried to claim 4 when I said it was ages ago but
I had the covering letter on my PC). By then of course I had just taken
a new job.....I can but assume the local in region ppl did not stack up
so reluctantly they went outside.

> FYI:
> Cover letters must address the requirements of the position and how your
> nomination will satisfy the stated requirements. CV's must detail that -
> highlight how qual's and exp' address the position requirements.
>
> So, each application needs to specifically address the position and answer
> the questions How and Why you are a good candidate. Reaserach the company,
> the technology they use...
>
> Some think a generic flat CV covering all experience with "equal" detail is
> OK. Some think a rewrite for a specific position is not telling the truth.
> The important thing is to address the requirements and not bore the reader
> with unncessary detail about irrelevant exeperience. Think Expand /
> Collapse - particularly if the cv would end up being too long. It is
> important to answer all questions in the CV. EG where do you..., how long
> did you..., what level of ... did you do, and when.., along with what were
> you doing in between from the time you left school.
>
> BOL.

Standard proceedure.....

I normally do a good but short covering letter not more than 1 A4 sheet
covering any specific points / requirements raised in the job advert and
how I meet them. Then I do minor edits to my CV if worthwhile to
highlight those points of interest or expand on areas.

eg I might just say RedHat kickstart experience in my normal CV, but if
an employer asked for kickstart experience, I'd expand it to say,
several versions of RH and Fedora, also customised builds using
scripting per machine, fully patched, specific files restored via legato
etc. etc. based on the machines MAC address...

regards

Thing