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way of the master  
Tom K
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transfarmer at gmail.com
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Nitixope
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DOC :O)
From:Tom K
Subject:way of the master
Date:Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:20:18 GMT
Check out some tools available at www.wayofthemaster.com. This is Kirk
Camern's(Growing Pains) partnership ministry. Some awfully blunt but good
lessons.
From:transfarmer at gmail.com
Subject:Re: way of the master
Date:Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:06:43 GMT
What did Jesus do?
From:Nitixope
Subject:Re: way of the master
Date:Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:47:29 GMT
"Tom K" wrote in message news:<6RBfd.8101$KJ6.4082@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> Check out some tools available at www.wayofthemaster.com. This is Kirk
> Camern's(Growing Pains) partnership ministry. Some awfully blunt but good
> lessons.

Tom:
You're right, that is a great website. It has been about a year since
I last visited Way of the Master, but they definitely have some great
tools for Christians and pre-Christians. I don't think that I would
consider this a scam, because the point of their ministry is primarily
to provide Christians with resources like books, bibles, and teaching
series on how to better evangelize - - of course that cost money, but
I don't that Kirk nor Ray are desperate to make a quick buck. I saw
them in Fridley, MN last year and they did charge nominal admission,
but also gave you a copy of their book. I have the approach that as
Christians we are inundated with ministries trying to sell us stuff
and we need to be smart about NOT buying books and tapes just because
we might be a better Christian if we do, but only if we really need
and are going to use those products.

I also wanted to point out something that we have discussed which is
evangelism -vs- discipleship. As Christians we need to keep in mind
that we aren't all called be evangelists, but we are all called to
disciple (Mark 28:19). I know that may sound a bit unrealistic
considering Jesus said to go to all nations and preach the Gospel, but
what I am getting at is that Kirk and Ray seem to be reminding us or
even burdening us with the ministry of evangelism when not all
believers are gifted in that area. The most effective way to get
people saved is not by walking up to strangers on the street but to
develop and build relationships with people you already know. I think
street evangelism plants seeds, but it also casts negativity from
non-believers while giving believers a false sense of accomplishment.
We need to ask God to bring us into people's lives and to let us know
what and when to approach them with the Gospel. This doesn't require
purchasing any materials except a Bible and spending time getting to
know the people around you.
From:DOC :O)
Subject:Re: way of the master
Date:Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:23:22 GMT
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:20:18 GMT, "Tom K" done
went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet
News'FROUPS:

>Check out some tools available at www.wayofthemaster.com. This is Kirk
>Camern's(Growing Pains) partnership ministry. Some awfully blunt but good
>lessons.
>
>
This is nothing but a money-making SCAM.

On looking into it, I accessed the "WHO ARE YOU" section, and looked
at the first area.

All it wantsw is MONEY.

Thatr is not what TRUE Christianity is about, and personally, I would
NOT endorse that site. :O(


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