McVay/NIZKOR= FRAUD,Crook,Liar-Exposed by Associate!!

Samisdat2

From:	Samisdat2
Subject:	McVay/NIZKOR= FRAUD,Crook,Liar-Exposed by Associate!!
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:29:53 -0700

When even Jews must help in exposing the shabbas-goy as a FRAUDSTER, it is
time for the authorities in both countries to prosecute, and collect the taxes
fraudulently avoided, plus penalties of course.

On 2 Dec 2004 19:39:29 -0000, Sarah Salzman wrote:

>Mamser Kenneth McVay,SOBC, the well-known fag in Canada,
>Fag McVay of Vancouver, convicted of child molesting
>and car theft in California and Oregon, and still
>unemployed gas pump boy, mastermind of the
>Canadian branch of NAMBLA, now finally dying as a
>diseased AIDS-spreader,wants all to know
>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>Here is the latest.......
>
>From: Patricia Heil
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,bc.general,can.general
>Subject: Re: Ken McVay Ignores My Letter
>Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 09:21:06 -0500
>
>Cecelia Plechinger wrote:
>>
>> --From; cplechinger@my-dejanews.com (cplechinger@my-dejanews.com)
>> --Subject; Ken McVay speaks for only *some* of us
>> --Newsgroups; can.politics, van.general, can.general, bc.general
>> --Date 1998/05/24
>
>> I'm Cecelia and I actually did post this to soc.culture.jewish
>> awhile back.
>> And Ken, it is spelled "Cecelia" not "Cecilia." You and I go back
>> to 1991, before you founded Nizkor, Ken. You should know how to
>> properly spell my name. And I am part of the history of Nizkor,
>> Ken, yet you pretend to have just barely heard of me.
>
>> I sent you in materials and you used them, but did not credit me
>> as the source. These concerned much material on Willis Carto and
>> some key information on Fred Leuchter's patents, engineering ethics,
>> chemistry (to refute Fred Leuchter's claims) etc.
>
>> In fact, you ignored my material on Carto for many e-mails until
>> one day, one of them clicked something in you. *then* you posted
>> a request to your mailing list (to
>> which I was one of the original subscribers) which went defunct
>> long before the founding of Nizkor asking for info on Willis Carto.
>> Then after a while longer, due in significant part, to the info
>> *I* sent you on Carto, you then made him a very big
>> project of yours, the topic of a whole long FAQ even.
>
>> The stuff on Leuchter's patents also received no ack from you.
>> Yet, one day long past, I was browsing the Jerusalem1 server in
>> Israel and noticed there was a section on Revisionism there. It
>> was mainly or perhaps solely a mirror of your pre-Nizkor anti-
>> Revisionist website. I forget what you called it. THERE, under
>> a subdirectory on Leuchter, was verbatim my e-mail to you on >
>Leuchter's patents. But the header was stripped off. See, Ken,
>> you saw value in this information, but you did not see value
>> in me as the source. It was only after I complained to your
>> webmaster, Jamie McCarthy, that you revised that page to include
>> the original headers of the msg. For other e-mail msgs I saw on
>> the Jerusalem1 mirror such as ones from Danny Keren, you left
>> the headers intact. But mine? Oh well.
>
>> And the chemistry and physics material I sent you to refute
>> Leuchter's claims, you totally ignored, so I gave up sending
>> you additional material.
>> Yet, later, the same information appeared in your site with
>> a Brian Harmon being given great accolades by you for providing
>> it to you. Brian did indeed provide the info to you at a later
>> date than I did, but it was the same info I had offered to you.
>> From Brian, it was not only worth your repeating, but you also
>> saw fit to give im credit. Yes, his was in more detail, but I
>> think when he sent in the initial stuff, you encouraged him to
>> send in more, so he did. I was not so fortunate to get encouraged.
>
>> Oh, and medical information I sent you to refute specific claims
>> of deniers you also ignored.
>
>> One time, I and Jamie McCarthy sent you material together (that I
>> obtained alone). This was concerning what "Murungu" means in Shona
>> (a southern African Bantu language - an Internet National Socialist
>> used the nickname of "Murungu" so that was why I offered to Jamie
>> an explanation of what this word means). *This* you put on your
>> Nizkor site. But the fact that Jamie was the one I approached
>> with the info instead of you made a difference.
>
>> Jamie eventually resigned from Nizkor. It was soon after that
>> that soc.culture.jewish.holocaust went dead. Jamie was doing the
>> technical work for you while you over-moderated the content.
>> Without Jamie's technical help, you could no longer run
>> soc.culture.jewish.holocaust, so you let it lie fallow rather
>> than let some other moderator take over to keep it active.
>
>> Recently, soc.culture.jewish.holocaust came back to life. And
>> guess what.
>> It is back under the care of one or more of the original founders --
>> that is, the people who ran it out of a University of North
>> Carolina server before they no longer had time to devote to it
>> (and when you then took it over).
>
>> Why, Ken, do you treat me like such dirt? I think it had a lot
>> to do with the fact that I want to empower and enable people
>> while you want to dominate and control. And the fact my learning
>> style is to get varied info from a variety of sources rather
>> than just mindlessly learn from just one (and one on your exact
>> wavelength) has also a lot to do with it. And the fact that I
>> do not want to bite the head off of every Revisionist I meet or
>> see has much to do with it too.
>
>> My approach is far different than yours. I seek to understand and
>> elucidate while you seek to punish and reek revenge.
>> I seek to prevent future Revisionism before it starts by
>> elucidating *why* people become Revs in the first place and
>> providing viable alternatives to satisfy the same needs
>> such people seek and find in Revisionism.
>> You, by contrast, seek to hunt them down, "expose" them,
>> discredit them and equate each and every one of them with
>> hard-core Jew-haters. I seek to humanize whilst you seek to
>> dehumanize them.
>
>> Oh, and the fact that I know what Revisionism is (and is *not*)
>> from the *inside out* instead of from the outside letting my
>> prejudices dictate to me what is inside --- that has a lot to
>> do with it too.
>
>> I was potentially a very valuable resource to you, Ken.
>> But you did not want elucidation and alternatives and causes
>> of Rev that do not fit your preconceived notions.
>
>> (According to you, each and every person who becomes a Rev
>> does so out of evil motives, specifically, Jew-hating motives --
>> but I posited motives like trying to find relief from a Shoah
>> that is too hard to bear and further posited that Germans both
>> American-born and European-born are at much greater risk to
>> become Rev's due to a need to seek shelter from the guilt --
>> guilt which is big enought as it is, but gets amplified further
>> by anti-German bigots. THIS vital info YOU did not want to HEAR.)
>
>> If I had offered to name you names of all the in-the-closet Revs
>> I knew and to give you private personal information on the
>> publicly-Revisionist people I know (I mean information they
>> would want kept private), maybe then you would have seen me
>> as a valuable resource, Ken. But this too is not my style. I
>> would relate other Revisionist's experiences to you but with all
>> identifying information expunged. You did not like that Ken. Names,
>> addresses, employers you would have wanted. Traumatic anti-German
>> childhood and young adult experiences you did not want.
>
>> Along the same lines, you once put out a call for any information
>> anybody knows about Arthur Butz (a Revisionist who is also an
>> engineering prof). I offered you lots of info about what he
>> has done engineering-wise and professor-wise. I also had publicly-
>> available family background info to submit once I saw how you >
>responded to the engineering and professor info.
>> But you just e-mailed me back with a rude letter saying you are
>> not interested in the engineering aspects of Butz. See, Ken,
>> you only wanted DIRT on Butz. You did not want NORMAL information
>> that is essential for a full and complete understanding of Arthur >
>Robert Butz.
>
>> Interestingly enough, I later read Deborah Lipstadt's chapter on
>> Butz in her "Denying the Holocaust". Some of it was *wrong.* The
>> correct info was in the stuff I sent you and you pooh-poohed and
>> in the stuff I was waiting to send you, but did not. Seems like
>> Lipstadt would have been interested in seeing the stuff *before*
>> her book went to press -- it would have saved her errors.
>
>> Have you been in contact with Lipstadt as she as still working on
>> "Denying the Holocaust", Ken? See now how you could have received
>> all the info I had on Butz (not just the dirt) and then alerted
>> Lipstadt about it. Lipstadt could have then contacted me (that is,
>> if you would have been decent enough to credit me as the source)
>> and seen what I had for herself and then go and review the direct >
>sources from whence I got the info in the first place.
>> These were not insider Revisionist sources. These were publicly
>> available sources. She could then have written the final draft
>> of "Denying" to reflect this all. Now, she has gone on record
>> as making some basic errors on basic biographical info on not
>> only Butz, but also on App (to whom she
>> also devotes a whole chapter).
>
>> I then e-mailed you for advice on how I correct these errors
>> without making Deborah Lipstadt sound foolish. You pooh-poohed
>> the notion that I could be right and Lipstadt be wrong.
>> Too bad, Ken.
>
>> Actually I was wrong to have ever tried to seek such advice from
>> you in the first place. I already knew what you were like, but
>> at the time, you were for all practical purposes, all I had.
>
>> So, you unilaterally decided that my massive, but "normal"
>> information on Butz was not worth knowing and not worth passing
>> on to scholars researching Holocaust denial. But, I suppose, in
>> addition to thinking you speak for each and every participant of
>> (such
>> as by posting "Knoll speaks for none of us" with the "us"
>> meaning all the participants of the said NGs), you think can
>> speak for Lipstadt and also but make her decisions for her.
>> Too bad.
>
>> So I had little value to you, Ken. Too bad. What I know, in the
>> right hands, is invaluable for the very same "combat the Holocaust
>> deniers" work you so sincerely and diligently devote yourself to.
>> But your methodology is so different from mine that I even had
>> to put your phrase "combat the Holocaust deniers" in quote marks
>> because it is so different from what I feel when I think of
>> reducing the phenonomon of Holocaust denial. I do not want to
>> "combat" Holocaust deniers who are sincere disbelievers of the
>> Shoah. I just want to provide viable alternatives and to combat
>> the *causes* of people seeking solace or an outlet in Revisionism.
>
>> Thanks to people like you, Ken, there is at this time a dire
>> poverty of viable alternatives to Revisionism. Thanks to you
>> and your ilk, people like me and Werner Knoll are faced with
>> two extremes -- yours (which actually deserves the label
>> "Holocaust Lobby") and radical Revisionism's.
>
>> At the very same time you and your ilk seek to suppress the truth
>> about why we turn to Rev, some of those who run radical Revisionism
>> (Carto, Mark Weber, Hans Schmidt) understand *very well* the needs
>> of people like me, Werner Knoll, hundreds of thousands of American
>> and Canadian Germans to include Ernst Zundel. And they meet our
>> needs and lure us into Revisionism (Zundel was so lured in
>> Toronto years ago) with these met needs. Once there, an effort
>> is on to lure us into hard-core Jew-hating circles (they
>> so lured Zundel).
>
>> With me, all the further they got me was Revisionism.
>> The "Holocaust Lobby" then did much to drive me towards hard-core
>> Nazism. It is only to my credit I did not go.
>> Don't say if I resisted anybody could. I am made of some pretty
>> tough stuff. If most people, including Ken, were subjected to
>> what "the Holocaust Lobby" subjected me to since 1990 when I
>> first "came out," they would be neo-Nazis. Like I said, this
>> included Ken. I will not say all the things they put me through
>> here. Maybe I will publicly say it another
>> time or in another venue and maybe I will not.
>
>> With Werner, I cannot tell from just the few posts I read if he
>> had been lured as far as actually into Revisionism or not. But
>> I can see that he is "at risk." But Ken, with your posts, you
>> are increasing the risk. "At risk" does not mean "evil" either,
>> Ken. Do not blame the victims. We too are
>> victims and survivors of the Shoah.
>
>> And I myself am also a victim from a Jewish point of view, Ken.
>> But you were so busy trashing me,the German part of my heritage
>> made me 'at risk' that you never even let me tell you I am also
>> Jewish and very much like a Hidden Child first generation Jewish
>> Shoah survivor and very much like a Second Generation Jewish
>> Shoah survivor. It is your own prejudice which did not let you
>> see THESE traits in me, Ken.
>
>> That plus the fact you are a Goy.
>> The JEWISH rage in me never spoken about a huge portion
>> of my people cut off, my JEWISH mourning, you never heard.
>> Had I gotten a different e-mail account and showed you the
>> Jewish rage and mourning within me, you would have liked
>> that other persona, huh, Ken.
>
>> But stuff like this (stated before the above paragraph) Ken,
>> you do not want to hear because according to your preconceived
>> notions, we START OUT AS hard-core Jew-haters and then pretend
>> to be like normal people to assimilate out and infiltrate normal
>> society to inject our poison into it with our "tricks of the
>> deniers." This is actually true for some people who
>> *claim* to be Revisionists such as Willis Carto.
>
>> But for many of us, the exact percentage I do not know due to
>> lack of formal academic studies I would like to see done, the
>> truth is just the opposite of what you presuppose.
>
>> Lots of people start off with a pre-conceived notion, Ken,
>> including myself. But real scholars and real researchers and
>> real advocates do not selectively cleave to or selectively
>> ignore new information that confirms or denies respectively
>> our preconceived notions and initial hypotheses. (If you are
>> such a great and wonderful real researcher and educator of the
>> Shoah, Ken, then how come you did not last very long on the
>> academic holocaust mailing list on a server at the University
>> of Illinois at Chicago (UIC), where many real Shoah scholars
>> and many real Shoah survivors participated? (The list is now
>> called and is on a different server.)
>
>> Either you got unsubscribed by the owners or you unsubscribed
>> yourself in disgust that that real Shoah scholarship forum did
>> not gobble up your polemics.
>
>> But you refuse to see many of the critical points I make in
>> this post. You have seen most of them in the 1991 to 1997
>> timespan (with a gap) many times, so you have had opportunity
>> to consider them. And due to your refusal, you actually drive
>> more people into Revisionism or deeper into Revisionism or
>> into hard-core Jew-hatred with the very efforts you expend
>> to "combat the Holocast deniers/neo-Nazis."
>
>> Such is a travesty. But such is also reality. People like you
>> are part of the real world we all have to deal with.
>
>> Cecelia Plechinger

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
is a revolutionary act."
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
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1836 NW 11th St
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together with

Boris Dynin = NAMBLA executive &
Henry who like
late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , or even
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco 94132

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homouals escorts office:
VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child " blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child ." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?

http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable background
and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's detailed
expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molester, and is known
for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! It
is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Call me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: 301-681-9193, especially late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787 or
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to work:(780)492-0473

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natvan.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.