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 | | From: | Micheal Artindale | | Subject: | Does anybody know about... | | Date: | Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:42:40 -0500 |
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 | I visited with my sister's kids on Christmas.
I was talking to her about her kids joining Beavers, her oldest is 5.
She doesnt want him to join because it is not "religious" enough.
She is putting them in something called Awanas...
What is that? is it any different that scouting?
Thanks,
Micheal
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| | From: | Blaeden | | Subject: | Re: Does anybody know about... | | Date: | Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:02:09 -0500 |
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| Yep, its different. Looks more like a year round "vacation bible school"
kinda thing.
"The goal of the AWANA Clubs is to teach children about God and how they can
have a personal and meaningful relationship with Him through faith in Jesus
Christ. Practical application of Biblical principles to the clubbers' daily
lives is learned through games, scripture memorization, workbook activities,
team competitions, and just plain fun."
http://www.newsalem.org/AWANA.htm
http://www.hydesvillechurch.org/awanas.htm
http://solidrockonline.com/awana.htm
http://www.nassaubaybaptist.org/ministries/awanas_1.htm
"Micheal Artindale" wrote in message
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>I visited with my sister's kids on Christmas.
>
> I was talking to her about her kids joining Beavers, her oldest is 5.
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> She doesnt want him to join because it is not "religious" enough.
>
> She is putting them in something called Awanas...
>
> What is that? is it any different that scouting?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Micheal
>
>
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| | From: | Karl Pollak | | Subject: | Re: Does anybody know about... | | Date: | Tue, 28 Dec 2004 06:44:07 GMT |
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"Blaeden" wrote:
>Yep, its different. Looks more like a year round "vacation bible school"
>kinda thing.
At 5 years of age? That would amount to child abuse in my books.
It's bad enough trying to bring them into Scouting for which they have no
mental capacity. But to try to stuff religion into their little heads,
that is disgusting brainwashing.
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Scouting is a game. Go play outside!
K. Pollak, Richmond, BC
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| | From: | Micheal Artindale | | Subject: | Re: Does anybody know about... | | Date: | Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:28:20 -0500 |
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"Karl Pollak" wrote in message
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> "Blaeden" wrote:
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> >Yep, its different. Looks more like a year round "vacation bible school"
> >kinda thing.
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> At 5 years of age? That would amount to child abuse in my books.
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> It's bad enough trying to bring them into Scouting for which they have no
> mental capacity. But to try to stuff religion into their little heads,
> that is disgusting brainwashing.
Scary thing is, I am nothing like my sister. I actually agree with you,
Karl. Although, I'm sure the beaver program is easyer for them to swallow.
Micheal
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| | From: | Karl Pollak | | Subject: | Re: Does anybody know about... | | Date: | Wed, 29 Dec 2004 02:49:12 GMT |
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"Micheal Artindale" wrote:
>Scary thing is, I am nothing like my sister. I actually agree with you,
>Karl. Although, I'm sure the beaver program is easyer for them to swallow.
Yes, you are right, they can. But whether or not the toddlers can swallow
the Beaver program is not the point. It's not all that much of a program
in the first place, more like a glorified daycare so that mom can cruise
the local mall one night a week without the ankle biter in tow.
There is no excuse for the Beaver program being in a Scouting association
in the first place, because it is not Scouting and cannot be Scouting
because the little rugrats cannot grasp the idea of Scouting.
The whole idea of Cubs was set up by B-P to prevent troops accepting 8,9
and 10 year olds into Scouting for which they are not mentally equipped.
That's why he set up a completely different theme for the Cubs and a
completely different program for them. Yes, you could stuff Scouting
skills into Cubs. They would not quite grasp why they are doing what they
are doing, but they could learn the mechanics of doing it.
So then around 1974 we just could not leave well enough alone, had to "get
them before they start doing something else" and started accepting
toddlers. Since they are just too immature to grasp even the idea of
Cubbing, we had to set up again a new program for them which has even less
to do with Scouting than Cubs.
The end result is that today the Beavers are the mainstay of the
association while Scouts, the entire point of the whole deal are at the
lowest level of membership since about 1910. If you factor in the
population of Canada back then and now, we have only a fraction of the
Scouts we had only about 5 years after the whole thing started.
There are fewer than 23,000 Scouts and Venturers in the country today.
There were 30,000 of them 2 years ago. In a report last year the toronto
office claimed that their NearScouting program is about collapsing. From
the numbers, it would seem to me that the Real Scouting programs are way
past that point already.
In 1911 Canada had about 7 million population and more than 45,000 Scouts.
In 2004 we have over 34 million and not even 23,000 Scouts and Venturers.
Adjusted for population growth, we now have less than 10% of the membership
we had at the beginning, less than 5% if you consider that we now accept
girls which we did not then. In 1971, about 2.9 million boys were in
primary and secondary schools in Canada, we had more than 280,000 of them
as members in Scouting. No Beavers, and no girls. Today? Well, look at
your own Pack.
Why? Because we went for the numbers and ignored the quality, ignored the
entire focus of the Movement and ignored the core program. We keep making
excuses about building up the junior sections so that they can feed the
core Scouting program and kept repeating that lie for 30 years while the
numbers every year showed clearly that there is no "feeding" happening.
you burn the kids out doing handicrafts as toddlers and by the time they
become of Scouting age, they have had enough of the nonsense and go away.
My niece wanted to put her 5 year old into Beavers this year. I talked her
out of it. He'll go to a play group in the local community center instead
and do some camping in the backyard with his dad.
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Scouting is a game. Go play outside!
K. Pollak, Richmond, BC
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