I would like to sail my Nordica 16 across the Atlantic from Canada to
Europe. I have a GPS...can you think of anything else I will need (aside
from the obvious food and clothing)?

How long do you think it will take me? (So I will know how much food to
bring.)

Thanks
Shel

From:	Hal
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:12:28 -0500

YOu may need more than your GPS. You may need a tant!
http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20041216.gtgps1216/BNStory/Technology/
Peter

Shelman wrote:
> I would like to sail my Nordica 16 across the Atlantic from Canada to
> Europe. I have a GPS...can you think of anything else I will need (aside
> from the obvious food and clothing)?
>
> How long do you think it will take me? (So I will know how much food to
> bring.)
>
> Thanks
> Shel
>
>
>

From:	Gualtier Malde (Chuck)
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:23:20 GMT

Shelman wrote:

> I would like to sail my Nordica 16 across the Atlantic from Canada to
> Europe. I have a GPS...can you think of anything else I will need (aside
> from the obvious food and clothing)?
>
> How long do you think it will take me? (So I will know how much food to
> bring.)
>
> Thanks
> Shel
>
> a
16' seems small, but you might pick up some tips from a book by Tanya
Aebi, published by Ballantine Books in 1996. She took off on a small
boat with absolutely no experience and would have been recognized as the
first woman to circumnavigate the world solo except for having given a
passenger a lift of a few miles between islands.

But she crossed the Atlantic from east to west at the end of her journey.

>

From:	Hal
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:44:12 -0500

I believe Tanya Aebi circumnavigated in either a Folkboat or the
fiberglass version of it, a Contessa 26.
That is 10 feet more and one of the most seaworthy boats ever made.
I have owned a Nordica 16. The cockpit is not self bailing! It has a
cuddy cabin which one can barely sleep in.
I think the chap is kidding and just wants to see what kind of reaction
he gets.
Last year a boy was saved but his uncle died when crossing the Atlantic.
I think the boy made a cell phone call.
Anyway................
Peter

Gualtier Malde (Chuck) wrote:
> Shelman wrote:
>
>> I would like to sail my Nordica 16 across the Atlantic from Canada to
>> Europe. I have a GPS...can you think of anything else I will need (aside
>> from the obvious food and clothing)?
>>
>> How long do you think it will take me? (So I will know how much food to
>> bring.)
>>
>> Thanks
>> Shel
>>
>> a
>
> 16' seems small, but you might pick up some tips from a book by Tanya
> Aebi, published by Ballantine Books in 1996. She took off on a small
> boat with absolutely no experience and would have been recognized as the
> first woman to circumnavigate the world solo except for having given a
> passenger a lift of a few miles between islands.
>
> But she crossed the Atlantic from east to west at the end of her journey.
>
>
>
>>
>

From:	Lanze
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:46:56 -0500

Last will and testimony might be helpful to your family!

"Shelman" wrote in message
news:LNovd.6968$pb.357417@news20.bellglobal.com...
>I would like to sail my Nordica 16 across the Atlantic from Canada to
> Europe. I have a GPS...can you think of anything else I will need (aside
> from the obvious food and clothing)?
>
> How long do you think it will take me? (So I will know how much food to
> bring.)
>
> Thanks
> Shel
>
>
>

From:	Willem deVries
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:52:10 -0500

Oh and don't forget to post a $100,000.00 bond with our Coast Guard! Most
likely they will need to retrieve(rescue?) you at a later date. sarcastic
"Lanze" wrote in message
news:SRpvd.7009$pb.371633@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Last will and testimony might be helpful to your family!
>
>
> "Shelman" wrote in message
> news:LNovd.6968$pb.357417@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >I would like to sail my Nordica 16 across the Atlantic from Canada to
> > Europe. I have a GPS...can you think of anything else I will need
(aside
> > from the obvious food and clothing)?
> >
> > How long do you think it will take me? (So I will know how much food to
> > bring.)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Shel
> >
> >
> >
>
>

From:	Charles T. Low
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:52:12 -0500

Popular wisdom is that the Nordica 16 is able to cross the Atlantic. Whether
this is really true I do not know.

On the off chance that your question is serious: you yourself are clearly
not capable of crossing the Atlantic. Make sure to say a proper good-bye to
all friends and loved ones before departing, because your risk of death is
very high. A quick read of some of the popular cruising books will indicate
why this is so.

====

Charles T. Low
www.boatdocking.com

====

"Shelman" wrote in message
news:LNovd.6968$pb.357417@news20.bellglobal.com...
> I would like to sail my Nordica 16 across the Atlantic from Canada to
> Europe. I have a GPS...can you think of anything else I will need (aside
> from the obvious food and clothing)?
>
> How long do you think it will take me? (So I will know how much food to
> bring.)
>
> Thanks
> Shel

From:	Karl Pollak
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Fri, 17 Dec 2004 05:11:32 GMT

x-no-archive: yes
"Charles T. Low" wrote:

>Popular wisdom is that the Nordica 16 is able to cross the Atlantic. Whether
>this is really true I do not know.

So is a sealed bottle.
:-))
--
Greetings from Lotusland

From:	Hal
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:26:33 -0500

I think they, who ever they are, are thinking of a Nordica 20. I had a
Nordica 16 and since it does not hace a self-bailing cockpit things
could get interesting. There is also no room in it. It is a tough
little boat. I would cross Lake Ontario with it. With a jib and a
reefed main it would move nicely in 20 knots or so.
Where would one put the food, the anchor, the rode, the clothes, the
batteries to keep one or more GPS going, the running light battery an
dhow would one re-charge that battery. What about EPIRB and a survival
suit and maybe even sattelite cellphone.
I wonder if the gentleman who asked has ever taken a Nordica 16 across
Lake Ontario, or down Lake Huron from Tobermory to Sarnia in September
when it is stormy on Lake Huron. Better yet would be Sarnia to
Tobermory as he would have to sail against the prevailing winds.
Another good test would be Lake Superior. Start at Saulte Ste. Marie
and finish either at Duluth or Thunderbay.
How about Halifax to Boston.
Anyway...........
Peter

Karl Pollak wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
> "Charles T. Low" wrote:
>
>
>>Popular wisdom is that the Nordica 16 is able to cross the Atlantic. Whether
>>this is really true I do not know.
>
>
> So is a sealed bottle.
> :-))

From:	Proxy
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Sat, 18 Dec 2004 02:39:32 -0500

Just grab a sandwich at your local Subway and you are ready to go. I'd take
a record player with some LP's as well.

Good luck and don't forget to post here when you arrive in Europe.

"Hal" wrote in message
news:v6uwd.17674$pb.1163359@news20.bellglobal.com...
> I think they, who ever they are, are thinking of a Nordica 20. I had a
> Nordica 16 and since it does not hace a self-bailing cockpit things
> could get interesting. There is also no room in it. It is a tough
> little boat. I would cross Lake Ontario with it. With a jib and a
> reefed main it would move nicely in 20 knots or so.
> Where would one put the food, the anchor, the rode, the clothes, the
> batteries to keep one or more GPS going, the running light battery an
> dhow would one re-charge that battery. What about EPIRB and a survival
> suit and maybe even sattelite cellphone.
> I wonder if the gentleman who asked has ever taken a Nordica 16 across
> Lake Ontario, or down Lake Huron from Tobermory to Sarnia in September
> when it is stormy on Lake Huron. Better yet would be Sarnia to
> Tobermory as he would have to sail against the prevailing winds.
> Another good test would be Lake Superior. Start at Saulte Ste. Marie
> and finish either at Duluth or Thunderbay.
> How about Halifax to Boston.
> Anyway...........
> Peter
>
> Karl Pollak wrote:
> > x-no-archive: yes
> > "Charles T. Low" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Popular wisdom is that the Nordica 16 is able to cross the Atlantic.
Whether
> >>this is really true I do not know.
> >
> >
> > So is a sealed bottle.
> > :-))

From:	Pat Drummond
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:34:42 -0500

"Proxy" whoever you are, wins the humour of the month award.

(How long do you think it will take me? I was tempted to answer "the
rest of your life.")

Proxy wrote:
> Just grab a sandwich at your local Subway and you are ready to go. I'd take
> a record player with some LP's as well.
>
> Good luck and don't forget to post here when you arrive in Europe.
>
>
>
> "Hal" wrote in message
> news:v6uwd.17674$pb.1163359@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
>>I think they, who ever they are, are thinking of a Nordica 20. I had a
>>Nordica 16 and since it does not hace a self-bailing cockpit things
>>could get interesting. There is also no room in it. It is a tough
>>little boat. I would cross Lake Ontario with it. With a jib and a
>>reefed main it would move nicely in 20 knots or so.
>>Where would one put the food, the anchor, the rode, the clothes, the
>>batteries to keep one or more GPS going, the running light battery an
>>dhow would one re-charge that battery. What about EPIRB and a survival
>>suit and maybe even sattelite cellphone.
>>I wonder if the gentleman who asked has ever taken a Nordica 16 across
>>Lake Ontario, or down Lake Huron from Tobermory to Sarnia in September
>>when it is stormy on Lake Huron. Better yet would be Sarnia to
>>Tobermory as he would have to sail against the prevailing winds.
>>Another good test would be Lake Superior. Start at Saulte Ste. Marie
>>and finish either at Duluth or Thunderbay.
>>How about Halifax to Boston.
>>Anyway...........
>>Peter
>>
>>Karl Pollak wrote:
>>
>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>"Charles T. Low" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Popular wisdom is that the Nordica 16 is able to cross the Atlantic.
>
> Whether
>
>>>>this is really true I do not know.
>>>
>>>
>>>So is a sealed bottle.
>>>:-))
>
>
>

--
* http://BoatinginCanada.com *

From:	AuntieSpam
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Fri, 17 Dec 2004 03:43:09 GMT

Charles T. Low wrote:

> Popular wisdom is that the Nordica 16 is able to cross the Atlantic. Whether
> this is really true I do not know.
>
> On the off chance that your question is serious: you yourself are clearly
> not capable of crossing the Atlantic. Make sure to say a proper good-bye to
> all friends and loved ones before departing, because your risk of death is
> very high. A quick read of some of the popular cruising books will indicate
> why this is so.
====
For myself, I couldn't care less how strong or well equipped a boat is,
I wouldn't consider sailing across the ocean at any time of year in a
boat that small! I've been on much larger sailboats in the Atlantic and
have deduced that even a 95 footer is small in a body of water that vast!
--
AuntieSpam

From:	Hal
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:02:57 -0500

You are kidding - right?!
If you have to ask that question then you should not go!
Hal

Shelman wrote:
> I would like to sail my Nordica 16 across the Atlantic from Canada to
> Europe. I have a GPS...can you think of anything else I will need (aside
> from the obvious food and clothing)?
>
> How long do you think it will take me? (So I will know how much food to
> bring.)
>
> Thanks
> Shel
>
>
>

From:	Jean Dufour
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:27:15 -0500

Indeed! The smallest boats participating in transat races are 6m50 in lenght
(21.5 foot), constructed so they are unsinkable, have two EPIRBs and they do
it from Europe toward Americas which is considered the "right way" opposite
the Quebec/St-Malo transat which is the only race made the "wrong way" accross
the Atlantic. Going the "right way", the record time for such small boats to
cross the Atlantic is 18 days and several hours. See the site:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~blvrd/

for more info over what's involved.

If you still want to do this, I suggest you consider applying for the Guinness
Book of Records in the event you make it and you'll probably be elligible for
a Darwin Prize if you never had children and die trying this stunt.

Jean Dufour
Montreal, Qc

Hal wrote:

> You are kidding - right?!
> If you have to ask that question then you should not go!
> Hal
>
> Shelman wrote:
> > I would like to sail my Nordica 16 across the Atlantic from Canada to
> > Europe. I have a GPS...can you think of anything else I will need (aside
> > from the obvious food and clothing)?
> >
> > How long do you think it will take me? (So I will know how much food to
> > bring.)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Shel
> >
> >
> >

From:	dave
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:05:14 -0400

do a google search for "shrimpy sailing"...it's from a book i read years ago,
think the record still stands, although freakin crazy , it can be done

Jean Dufour wrote:

> Indeed! The smallest boats participating in transat races are 6m50 in lenght
> (21.5 foot), constructed so they are unsinkable, have two EPIRBs and they do
> it from Europe toward Americas which is considered the "right way" opposite
> the Quebec/St-Malo transat which is the only race made the "wrong way" accross
> the Atlantic. Going the "right way", the record time for such small boats to
> cross the Atlantic is 18 days and several hours. See the site:
>
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~blvrd/
>
> for more info over what's involved.
>
> If you still want to do this, I suggest you consider applying for the Guinness
> Book of Records in the event you make it and you'll probably be elligible for
> a Darwin Prize if you never had children and die trying this stunt.
>
> Jean Dufour
> Montreal, Qc
>
> Hal wrote:
>
> > You are kidding - right?!
> > If you have to ask that question then you should not go!
> > Hal
> >
> > Shelman wrote:
> > > I would like to sail my Nordica 16 across the Atlantic from Canada to
> > > Europe. I have a GPS...can you think of anything else I will need (aside
> > > from the obvious food and clothing)?
> > >
> > > How long do you think it will take me? (So I will know how much food to
> > > bring.)
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Shel
> > >
> > >
> > >

From:	Jean Dufour
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:26:19 -0500

Forget about the Guiness! The smallest sailboat to succesfully cross the Atlantic
was 5 foot 4 and the crossing was also made the wrong way!

see: http://www.famoussmallboats.com/

Click on the sailoat icons to see the pictures of the "contraption".

Will always be amazed by how much trouble some sailboters are willing to go
through!!!

Jean Dufour
Montreal, Qc

From:	Terry
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:43:31 -0330

"Shelman" wrote in message
news:LNovd.6968$pb.357417@news20.bellglobal.com...
> I would like to sail my Nordica 16 across the Atlantic from Canada to
> Europe. I have a GPS...can you think of anything else I will need (aside
> from the obvious food and clothing)?
>
Pretty obviously a troll!
Living here, just north of St. John's Newfoundland, Cape Spear a few miles
away, is the nearest point in North America to Europe, and over the years we
have seen a number of these 'adventurers'!

Some are experienced and well equipped, some have foolish contraptions and
no experience whatsoever.
Local yachtsmen with well equipped sturdy boats 35 feet and up have done the
trip, without incident but have had several well qualified people on board
and/or self steering gear etc.

Ill equipped people have got themselves into trouble, in one almost
laughable instance right outside 'The Narrows' i.e. the entrance to St.
John's harbour and had to be towed back in again later that day, and have,
generally, been a damn nuisance.

Sea rescue in the in-shore and off-shore conditions of the North Atlantic
are no joke. Every year several local fisherman are lost and /or rescued.
Even if having and wearing the best survival suit, being found, and then
able to be rescued the chances of survival are quite poor after about eight
hours. Winter and summer are cold; while in summer there are icebergs, which
eventually melt in the Gulf Stream to the south.

Yes there have been success stories! More by good luck than good management.
Many years back two Newfoundland fishermen managed to survive drifting
across the Atlantic in a dory after being lost in fog on the Grand Banks.
Thick fog that can blow at over 40 miles per hour, ref Sir Francis
Chichester! More recently four rowers, all previously experienced, after
making good progress had their specially built boat smashed by heavy seas as
they neared UK/Ireland.

The original posting is a joke! Anyone having to ask in that manner has no
idea what is involved!

From:	Hal
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:34:34 -0500

Terry,
My sentiments exactly! Since that original posting a couple of weeks
ago we have not heard from the gentleman. I presumed in my original
reply that he was joking and wanted to get a discussion going on this
list. He has succeeded in getting a discussion going which is kinda nice.
And the spam seems to have gotten less too so maybe one can have
discussions without being subsequently swamped with spam.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all.
Peter

Terry wrote:
> "Shelman" wrote in message
> news:LNovd.6968$pb.357417@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
>>I would like to sail my Nordica 16 across the Atlantic from Canada to
>>Europe. I have a GPS...can you think of anything else I will need (aside
>>from the obvious food and clothing)?
>>
>
> Pretty obviously a troll!
> Living here, just north of St. John's Newfoundland, Cape Spear a few miles
> away, is the nearest point in North America to Europe, and over the years we
> have seen a number of these 'adventurers'!
>
> Some are experienced and well equipped, some have foolish contraptions and
> no experience whatsoever.
> Local yachtsmen with well equipped sturdy boats 35 feet and up have done the
> trip, without incident but have had several well qualified people on board
> and/or self steering gear etc.
>
> Ill equipped people have got themselves into trouble, in one almost
> laughable instance right outside 'The Narrows' i.e. the entrance to St.
> John's harbour and had to be towed back in again later that day, and have,
> generally, been a damn nuisance.
>
> Sea rescue in the in-shore and off-shore conditions of the North Atlantic
> are no joke. Every year several local fisherman are lost and /or rescued.
> Even if having and wearing the best survival suit, being found, and then
> able to be rescued the chances of survival are quite poor after about eight
> hours. Winter and summer are cold; while in summer there are icebergs, which
> eventually melt in the Gulf Stream to the south.
>
> Yes there have been success stories! More by good luck than good management.
> Many years back two Newfoundland fishermen managed to survive drifting
> across the Atlantic in a dory after being lost in fog on the Grand Banks.
> Thick fog that can blow at over 40 miles per hour, ref Sir Francis
> Chichester! More recently four rowers, all previously experienced, after
> making good progress had their specially built boat smashed by heavy seas as
> they neared UK/Ireland.
>
> The original posting is a joke! Anyone having to ask in that manner has no
> idea what is involved!
>
>

From:	Proxy
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:16:41 -0500

> Terry,
> My sentiments exactly! Since that original posting a couple of weeks
> ago we have not heard from the gentleman. ... Peter

He, he...
Two possibilities:
he's still sailing...
or he's dead.
Now, since we can't do much for this poor fellow, I'd suggest a brainstorm
for a motto on his tombstone.

Proxy

"Hal" wrote in message
news:NgYxd.13325$GK5.884708@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Terry,
> My sentiments exactly! Since that original posting a couple of weeks
> ago we have not heard from the gentleman. I presumed in my original
> reply that he was joking and wanted to get a discussion going on this
> list. He has succeeded in getting a discussion going which is kinda nice.
> And the spam seems to have gotten less too so maybe one can have
> discussions without being subsequently swamped with spam.
> Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all.
> Peter
>
> Terry wrote:
> > "Shelman" wrote in message
> > news:LNovd.6968$pb.357417@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >
> >>I would like to sail my Nordica 16 across the Atlantic from Canada to
> >>Europe. I have a GPS...can you think of anything else I will need
(aside
> >>from the obvious food and clothing)?
> >>
> >
> > Pretty obviously a troll!
> > Living here, just north of St. John's Newfoundland, Cape Spear a few
miles
> > away, is the nearest point in North America to Europe, and over the
years we
> > have seen a number of these 'adventurers'!
> >
> > Some are experienced and well equipped, some have foolish contraptions
and
> > no experience whatsoever.
> > Local yachtsmen with well equipped sturdy boats 35 feet and up have done
the
> > trip, without incident but have had several well qualified people on
board
> > and/or self steering gear etc.
> >
> > Ill equipped people have got themselves into trouble, in one almost
> > laughable instance right outside 'The Narrows' i.e. the entrance to St.
> > John's harbour and had to be towed back in again later that day, and
have,
> > generally, been a damn nuisance.
> >
> > Sea rescue in the in-shore and off-shore conditions of the North
Atlantic
> > are no joke. Every year several local fisherman are lost and /or
rescued.
> > Even if having and wearing the best survival suit, being found, and then
> > able to be rescued the chances of survival are quite poor after about
eight
> > hours. Winter and summer are cold; while in summer there are icebergs,
which
> > eventually melt in the Gulf Stream to the south.
> >
> > Yes there have been success stories! More by good luck than good
management.
> > Many years back two Newfoundland fishermen managed to survive drifting
> > across the Atlantic in a dory after being lost in fog on the Grand
Banks.
> > Thick fog that can blow at over 40 miles per hour, ref Sir Francis
> > Chichester! More recently four rowers, all previously experienced, after
> > making good progress had their specially built boat smashed by heavy
seas as
> > they neared UK/Ireland.
> >
> > The original posting is a joke! Anyone having to ask in that manner has
no
> > idea what is involved!
> >
> >

From:	Karl Pollak
Subject:	Re: Small Craft Sailing Across the Atlantic
Date:	Wed, 15 Dec 2004 03:48:14 GMT

x-no-archive: yes
"Shelman" wrote:

>I would like to sail my Nordica 16 across the Atlantic from Canada to
>Europe. I have a GPS...can you think of anything else I will need (aside
>from the obvious food and clothing)?

1, a guardian angel, or
2, a good psychiatrist, or
3, both.

--
Greetings from Lotusland