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 | | From: | David De-fly-ie | | Subject: | Martin retreats on gay election - Prime Minister Paul Martin backpedalled | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:42:02 GMT |
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 | Martin retreats on election
HONG KONG -- Prime Minister Paul Martin backpedalled Saturday on his threat
to call an election over the Liberal government's...
Martin retreats on election
War of words over bill overshadows final leg of PM's Asia trip
Robert Fife
CanWest News Service; with files from The Canadian Press
January 23, 2005
HONG KONG -- Prime Minister Paul Martin backpedalled Saturday on his threat
to call an election over the Liberal government's same- marriage bill as
he engaged in an across-the ocean war of words with Conservative Leader
Stephen Harper.
Martin stunned Liberal MPs and the opposition parties on Friday while in
China when he vowed to fight an election over marriage, a challenge that
Conservative MP Stephen Harper immediately accepted.
The issue has overshadowed the final leg of Martin's nine-day mission to
Asia, which wraps up today when the prime minister flies home from Hong
Kong. As prime minister, Martin said he had a duty to "protect minority
rights" by tabling legislation within days of the Commons resuming on Jan.
31 to legalize same- marriage across the country.
But Saturday in Hong Kong, Martin placed a qualifier on what would trigger
an election.
Martin said an election would be called only if Harper convinced the
minority Parliament to adopt a motion to invoke the legal hammer of the
constitutional notwithstanding clause to reinstate the traditional
definition of marriage.
"The role of the prime minister is to protect the rights of minorities but
protecting the rights of minorities is certainly a question about which the
government of Canada will be prepared to go to the people," he said.
"If there is a vote on the notwithstanding clause in the House of Commons to
take away the rights of Canadians in this particular issue, I will make that
a vote of confidence. If a government loses a vote of confidence it calls an
election."
But Harper said Saturday that Martin is raising a "red herring" to confuse
Canadians who are opposed to same- marriage.
"I am not planning on using the notwithstanding clause on this," he told CBC
radio.
"Mr. Martin has to come clean that this debate is about the marriage issue
and not a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo so that he can avoid the central issue
that he is raising through his legislation which is the definition of
marriage in this country."
Although the Supreme Court ruled same- marriage is not unconstitutional,
Harper said the high court left it up to Parliament to decide the definition
of marriage.
Even though lower courts in seven provinces and one territory have legalized
same- marriage, Harper said Parliament has responsibility for marriage
under the law.
"Mr. Martin doesn't decide what is Charter law in this country," he said.
"In our judgment, a clear federal legislation giving direction to the courts
would take precedent."
Harper said he would table amendments to the government bill defining
marriage as between a man and woman while extending rights and benefits to
same- couples.
Martin was also attacked for holding a free vote on the proposed same-
bill and refusing to say if he'd call an election if it is defeated given
his strong defence of minority rights. "I'm not going speculate on the vote
because I want to win that vote and I intend to do everything I can to win
that vote," he said.
Martin's quick reversal of his vow to call a snap election comes after some
Liberal MPs questioned the wisdom of going to the polls over same-
marriage less than a year after Canadian voters reduced the Liberals to a
minority
Liberal MP Pat O'Brien warned Martin would be "rolling the dice big time"
and MP Paul Szabo said it would be "irresponsible" to fight an election on
such a divisive issue.
The prime minister met Saturday with Tung Chee Hwa, the Beijing-appointed
chief executive of Hong Kong.
The two are promoting the notion of Hong Kong as a gateway to China's
booming market for small and medium-sized Canadian businesses, while at the
same time discussing Canada's position as an access point for Hong Kong
investors to the United States.
Martin will visit Sai Wan Military Cemetery, overlooking the port of Hong
Kong, this morning for a ceremony remembering fallen Canadian veterans in
the doomed battle of December 1941.
© Times Colonist (Victoria) 2005
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| | From: | Barney | | Subject: | Re: Martin retreats on gay election - Prime Minister Paul Martin backpedalled | | Date: | 23 Jan 2005 22:47:38 GMT |
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| "David De-fly-ie" goats.cult.bazaar.ss> had writtennews:u_TId.18957$Qb.5694@edtnps89:
> Martin retreats on election
> HONG KONG -- Prime Minister Paul Martin backpedalled Saturday on
> his threat to call an election over the Liberal government's...
>
> Martin retreats on election
> War of words over bill overshadows final leg of PM's Asia trip
>
> Robert Fife
> CanWest News Service; with files from The Canadian Press
>
>
How dare Martin tell Harper to put his money where his mouth is!
Harper has all the answers and Martin should except them or quit.
That's why he was elected.
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Barney __________________________
Talk is cheap! Thats why I can afford it.
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| | From: | David De-fly-ie | | Subject: | Re: Martin retreats on gay election - Prime Minister Paul Martin backpedalled | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:56:32 GMT |
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"Barney" wrote in message
news:Xns95E79684643FAshantydespammedcom@individual.net...
> "David De-fly-ie" > goats.cult.bazaar.ss> had writtennews:u_TId.18957$Qb.5694@edtnps89:
>
> > Martin retreats on election
> > HONG KONG -- Prime Minister Paul Martin backpedalled Saturday on
> > his threat to call an election over the Liberal government's...
> >
> > Martin retreats on election
> > War of words over bill overshadows final leg of PM's Asia trip
> >
> > Robert Fife
> > CanWest News Service; with files from The Canadian Press
> >
> >
> How dare Martin tell Harper to put his money where his mouth is!
I thought it was Martin telling the world he's putting his mouth. where no
others with common sense will put it....but wait he backing down and jumping
into those hoops....WOW who would never have quessed that about Liberals,
just call an election.....we need to get rid of these Liberals..
> Harper has all the answers and Martin should except them or quit.
This issue has all these political potato heads tooting their own horns, but
in the end it will be the people who decide.
Bring on the election
> That's why he was elected.
LOL's Barney, this issue and debate on minority rights is going to get to
the point that people of Canada will start kicking these political potato
heads asses out of government and the people themselves to use start to use
force on the government to correct their stupidity once and for all.
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| | From: | Barney | | Subject: | Re: Martin retreats on gay election - Prime Minister Paul Martin backpedalled | | Date: | 24 Jan 2005 04:42:10 GMT |
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| "David De-fly-ie" goats.cult.bazaar.ss> had
writtennews:AYVId.142933$KO5.98940@clgrps13:
> LOL's Barney, this issue and debate on minority rights is going to
> get to the point that people of Canada will start kicking these
> political potato heads asses out of government and the people
> themselves to use start to use force on the government to correct
> their stupidity once and for all.
>
I think Canadians don't have enough to be concerned about. Personaly
I couldn't care less who marries who, but I do care that it's become
a political fooootball. It seems every year we get dragged into yet
another fad and it seems we are also diverted from more important
issues. What happened to the investigations of the Liberals
misappropriating funds. Harper is either trying to ignore it or fell
for yet another deception hook, line and sinker because he feels this
is an important issue. I don't. The longer they kick it around the
more $$ it's going to cost us. The old pea in a walnut game. The hand
is quicker then the eye.
People who are in great fear of this type of marrage are pretty dam
insecure and have a habit of sticking their nose in other peoples
business. Debates on minority rights is because politicans think they
are doing us a service. Perhaps they are but sticking their hands in
our pockets is not. Anyone here can tell me why any bloody politican
deserves my vote?
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Barney __________________________
Talk is cheap! Thats why I can afford it.
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| | From: | David De-fly-ie | | Subject: | Re: Martin retreats on gay election - Prime Minister Paul Martin backpedalled | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:55:56 GMT |
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"Barney" wrote in message
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> "David De-fly-ie" > goats.cult.bazaar.ss>
>
> > LOL's Barney, this issue and debate on minority rights is going to
> > get to the point that people of Canada will start kicking these
> > political potato heads asses out of government and the people
> > themselves to use start to use force on the government to correct
> > their stupidity once and for all.
> >
> I think Canadians don't have enough to be concerned about. Personaly
> I couldn't care less who marries who, but I do care that it's become
> a political fooootball. It seems every year we get dragged into yet
> another fad and it seems we are also diverted from more important
> issues. What happened to the investigations of the Liberals
> misappropriating funds.
Like everything else with the Liberal it all under the carpet and the people
will foot the bill as always...for thieves and liars....
Harper is either trying to ignore it or fell
> for yet another deception hook, line and sinker because he feels this
> is an important issue. I don't. The longer they kick it around the
> more $$ it's going to cost us. The old pea in a walnut game. The hand
> is quicker then the eye.
>
> People who are in great fear of this type of marrage are pretty dam
> insecure and have a habit of sticking their nose in other peoples
> business.
Well look at it this way, why should certain special interest people tell
the rest of Canada why we have to live their way of life, unless it was a
great plan to undermine the country the family of father, mother, and
children.
Gays can marry what ever they like, as long as the family remain intact.
Debates on minority rights is because politicans think they
> are doing us a service.
It not the politicians, these special interest groups have their hands into
every thing going, the laws, government, and forcing their so call values
down our throats, and backed by powerful cults
Perhaps they are but sticking their hands in
> our pockets is not. Anyone here can tell me why any bloody politican
> deserves my vote?
They don't, but until those back east who have the elections rapped up start
to see they are being fooled then they will keep voting for the same types
of criminals
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| | From: | Barney | | Subject: | Re: Martin retreats on gay election - Prime Minister Paul Martin backpedalled | | Date: | 24 Jan 2005 08:14:00 GMT |
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| "David De-fly-ie" goats.cult.bazaar.ss> had
writtennews:0_0Jd.20843$u_1.12364@edtnps91:
> Well look at it this way, why should certain special interest
> people tell the rest of Canada why we have to live their way of
> life, unless it was a great plan to undermine the country the
> family of father, mother, and children.
> Gays can marry what ever they like, as long as the family remain
> intact.
Who's stopping people living their OWN lives. How I live and how you
live is no ones concern. It's when someone attempts to intrude upon
it, does it then become an issue. Why would a couple of men getting
married have any bearing on how we live. If you were invited to the
wedding it still is the decision left to you. Personaly I would go
and hope the food is going to be great at the reception. I would
detest any who spoiled the wedding, because THEY felt it weren't
right. It just isn"t anyones concern.
>
> Debates on minority rights is because politicans think they
>> are doing us a service.
>
> It not the politicians, these special interest groups have their
> hands into every thing going, the laws, government, and forcing
> their so call values down our throats, and backed by powerful
> cults
Those groups put it forward because no one else cares. If no one
cares then why is it an issue? To many times we are told WE make the
decisions. The only time we make the decisions is when the policans
are afraid to. Just like now.
> Perhaps they are but sticking their hands in
>> our pockets is not. Anyone here can tell me why any bloody
>> politican deserves my vote?
>
> They don't, but until those back east who have the elections
> rapped up start to see they are being fooled then they will keep
> voting for the same types of criminals
>
Canada needs an improvement. I think silence can speak louder then a
vote. It would never happen, but if absolutely no one West of Ontario
went to vote, someone would notice. No vote untill it accounts for
something. Is this the minority group of which you speak?
--
Barney __________________________
Talk is cheap! Thats why I can afford it.
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| | From: | \The Right One\ | | Subject: | Re: Martin retreats on gay election - Prime Minister Paul Martin backpedalled | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:20:36 GMT |
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"David De-fly-ie" goats.cult.bazaar.ss> wrote in message
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> "Barney" wrote in message
> news:Xns95E79684643FAshantydespammedcom@individual.net...
> > "David De-fly-ie" > > goats.cult.bazaar.ss> had writtennews:u_TId.18957$Qb.5694@edtnps89:
> >
> > > Martin retreats on election
> > > HONG KONG -- Prime Minister Paul Martin backpedalled Saturday on
> > > his threat to call an election over the Liberal government's...
> > >
> > > Martin retreats on election
> > > War of words over bill overshadows final leg of PM's Asia trip
> > >
> > > Robert Fife
> > > CanWest News Service; with files from The Canadian Press
> > >
> > >
> > How dare Martin tell Harper to put his money where his mouth is!
>
> I thought it was Martin telling the world he's putting his mouth. where no
> others with common sense will put it....but wait he backing down and
jumping
> into those hoops....WOW who would never have quessed that about Liberals,
> just call an election.....we need to get rid of these Liberals..
>
> > Harper has all the answers and Martin should except them or quit.
>
> This issue has all these political potato heads tooting their own horns,
but
> in the end it will be the people who decide.
> Bring on the election
>
> > That's why he was elected.
>
> LOL's Barney, this issue and debate on minority rights is going to get to
> the point that people of Canada will start kicking these political potato
> heads asses out of government and the people themselves to use start to
use
> force on the government to correct their stupidity once and for all.
>
I hope it does.
--
Terry Pearson
http://www.rightpoint.org
There are two types of values
in Canada. Moral and Liberal.
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| | From: | Barney | | Subject: | Re: Martin retreats on gay election - Prime Minister Paul Martin backpedalled | | Date: | 24 Jan 2005 08:15:35 GMT |
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| "\"The Right One\"" had
writtennews:8l1Jd.156770$8l.145778@pd7tw1no:
> I hope it does.
> --
> Terry Pearson
> http://www.rightpoint.org
> There are two types of values
> in Canada. Moral and Liberal.
>>
>
It never has, Terry!
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Barney __________________________
Talk is cheap! Thats why I can afford it.
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