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 | | From: | Wally Anglesea™ | | Subject: | Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household & the Kitchen Sink | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:57:07 GMT |
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 | On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:47:14 GMT, "Qolon" wrote:
>Thanks for the update Wally,
>
>Again, other than a consideration of your predilection to psychopathy as borderline infatuation with fascist ideologies
I love it when kooks accuse people of being fascist. It shows they
don't like to have their reality bubble pricked.
>and unConstitutional empathy or the unresolved question as to whether yours is a story of childhood ual abuse, I don't understand the impetus for you to be publicly engaging within your adverse characterisations of my archaelogical, philosophical and theological interests
It's usenet, and I can express an opinion. Get used to it.
>and how they might related to effecting an emendation of the Letters Patent to the Australian Constitution of 1901.
>
>Mr. Stephen Russell on behalf of the Illawarra Astronomical Society's Executive Committee raises a particularly valid point when he suggests, "Please do NOT write to us again. We will be in touch with you when the situation has been clarified, as per the rules of our Constitution... Involving the Society's name in public as you have is grounds for legal action. Please understand that we will use all legal avenues available to protect the good name of the Society. I repeat: if you send us one more e-mail, or post this e-mail in any public forum, we _will_ take action. Our solicitor has been contacted to ensure that legal remedies are in place to act promptly."
You will note he was referring to you, and publishing HIS email
address TWICE in several usenet groups is pretty close to a breach of
the AUP you agreed to. In fact it could be argued that that was a
deliberate attempt to invite spam to his email address.
But of course it looks like that's something you have a history of
doing.
>
>As I indicated previously, I am uncertain in the circumstance where I am on the basis of an alternative chronological, mathematical noumenon as space/time overlay which was sufficiently robust enough to effect the inclusion of protection of autonomous and sovereign rights as Section 116 of the Australian Constitution of 1901.
>
>And on the validity of that premise, questioning the merit of astrological based symbolic theological and philosophical [systems] that have since the Pythagorean philosophical conception of an onoma[n]tic form of number, has not only been the basis for architecting language systems, forms of governance and religious systems, but historically responsible for untold human misery, holocaust and loss of life.
>
>As it is eviden[ced] by your engaging within impugnity, I feel that I ought direct a complaint to the Illawarra Astronomical Society for consideration at either of their meetings on 8 February or 8 March,
Members of the public are always welcome.
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| | From: | Qolon | | Subject: | Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household & the Kitchen Sink | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:34:26 GMT |
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| No-one is objecting to you expressing an opinion--what is being objected to
is your ad hominem which is not only without substantance, unreasonable but
unlawful!
- dolf
"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
message news:67nou0leihs33r2icjrt5rhpohj7qvrdhj@4ax.com...
I love it when kooks accuse people of being fascist. It shows they
don't like to have their reality bubble pricked.
It's usenet, and I can express an opinion. Get used to it.
You will note he was referring to you, and publishing HIS email
address TWICE in several usenet groups is pretty close to a breach of
the AUP you agreed to. In fact it could be argued that that was a
deliberate attempt to invite spam to his email address.
But of course it looks like that's something you have a history of
doing.
Members of the public are always welcome.
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| | From: | Wally Anglesea™ | | Subject: | Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household & the Kitchen Sink | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:21:03 GMT |
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| On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:34:26 GMT, "Qolon" wrote:
>No-one is objecting to you expressing an opinion--what is being objected to
>is your ad hominem which is not only without substantance
Not according to your history, IMHO.
>, unreasonable but
>unlawful!
>
>- dolf
>
>"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
>message news:67nou0leihs33r2icjrt5rhpohj7qvrdhj@4ax.com...
>I love it when kooks accuse people of being fascist. It shows they
>don't like to have their reality bubble pricked.
>
>It's usenet, and I can express an opinion. Get used to it.
>
>You will note he was referring to you, and publishing HIS email
>address TWICE in several usenet groups is pretty close to a breach of
>the AUP you agreed to. In fact it could be argued that that was a
>deliberate attempt to invite spam to his email address.
>
>But of course it looks like that's something you have a history of
>doing.
>
>Members of the public are always welcome.
>
>
--
Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm
"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."
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| | From: | Qolon | | Subject: | Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household & the Kitchen Sink | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:47:47 GMT |
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| Actually it has been my only subject of discourse upon the Internet over the
past nine years. The consideration is that your 'ad hominem is not only
without substance, unreasonable but unlawful' and therefore doesn't
constitute a humble opinion as you suggest.
I'm prepared to await the outcome of any considerations by the Illawarra
Astronomical Society and other substantial legal claims before undertaking
any action over pursuing a claim for damages as loss of reputation and
future employment and life opportunites to be made against Mr. Bowditch as
President of the Australian Skeptics Society whose www-page ratbags.com is
the impetus for your own accusations.
I would suggest that if your characterisations as unfounded impugnities
result in 'loss of reputation and future employment and life opportunites',
that I am quite entitled to seek reparations for the remaining natural term
of my life, from yourself and the organisations which not only define your
life circumstance, but whose status you enjoy as the basis for your bravado
and pretense as obdurated obstinance and self-infatuation.
There doesn't seem to be a need to respond further to your posts, as I've
made my intentions known and you will no doubt continue to engage with the
same predictability.
- dolf
-
"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
message news:bisou09liaj1llrkjjq84t00209dg1i19m@4ax.com...
Not according to your history, IMHO.
QOLON NOTE:
No-one is objecting to you expressing an opinion--what is being objected to
is your ad hominem which is not only without substance, unreasonable but
unlawful!
- dolf
"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
message news:67nou0leihs33r2icjrt5rhpohj7qvrdhj@4ax.com...
I love it when kooks accuse people of being fascist. It shows they
don't like to have their reality bubble pricked.
It's usenet, and I can express an opinion. Get used to it.
You will note he was referring to you, and publishing HIS email
address TWICE in several usenet groups is pretty close to a breach of
the AUP you agreed to. In fact it could be argued that that was a
deliberate attempt to invite spam to his email address.
But of course it looks like that's something you have a history of
doing.
Members of the public are always welcome.
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| | From: | Wally Anglesea™ | | Subject: | Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household & the Kitchen Sink | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:09:25 GMT |
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| On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:47:47 GMT, "Qolon" wrote:
>Actually it has been my only subject of discourse upon the Internet over the
>past nine years. The consideration is that your 'ad hominem is not only
>without substance, unreasonable but unlawful' and therefore doesn't
>constitute a humble opinion as you suggest.
>
>I'm prepared to await the outcome of any considerations by the Illawarra
>Astronomical Society and other substantial legal claims before undertaking
>any action over pursuing a claim for damages as loss of reputation and
>future employment and life opportunites to be made against Mr. Bowditch as
>President of the Australian Skeptics Society whose www-page ratbags.com is
>the impetus for your own accusations.
Not at all, I found Peter Bowditch's site long after I saw your posts
and looked into your past postings.
I'm happy to be a character witness for Peter, but I doubt he needs
one.
>
>I would suggest that if your characterisations as unfounded impugnities
>result in 'loss of reputation and future employment and life opportunites',
>that I am quite entitled to seek reparations for the remaining natural term
>of my life, from yourself and the organisations which not only define your
>life circumstance, but whose status you enjoy as the basis for your bravado
>and pretense as obdurated obstinance and self-infatuation.
>
>There doesn't seem to be a need to respond further to your posts, as I've
>made my intentions known and you will no doubt continue to engage with the
>same predictability.
And you will continue to post your nonsense. I'm not stopping you, am
I?
>
>- dolf
>-
>
>"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
>message news:bisou09liaj1llrkjjq84t00209dg1i19m@4ax.com...
>Not according to your history, IMHO.
>
>QOLON NOTE:
>No-one is objecting to you expressing an opinion--what is being objected to
>is your ad hominem which is not only without substance, unreasonable but
>unlawful!
>
>- dolf
>
>"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
>message news:67nou0leihs33r2icjrt5rhpohj7qvrdhj@4ax.com...
>I love it when kooks accuse people of being fascist. It shows they
>don't like to have their reality bubble pricked.
>
>It's usenet, and I can express an opinion. Get used to it.
>
>You will note he was referring to you, and publishing HIS email
>address TWICE in several usenet groups is pretty close to a breach of
>the AUP you agreed to. In fact it could be argued that that was a
>deliberate attempt to invite spam to his email address.
>
>But of course it looks like that's something you have a history of
>doing.
>
>Members of the public are always welcome.
>
>
>
--
Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm
"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."
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| | From: | Qolon | | Subject: | Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household & the Kitchen Sink | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:44:18 GMT |
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| Thank-you for acknowledging my previous post which clearly conveys to you
the consequence as the nature course of nature for you failing to take
accountability for your actions on newsgroup discussion forums.
Your further posts will be ignored, except in instances where it is
requisite to provide refutation of 'ad hominem when it is not only without
substance, unreasonable but unlawful'.
- dolf
"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
message news:g7vou0tt0u6965o9d3j8h55b5nmpvmjfrv@4ax.com...
Not at all, I found Peter Bowditch's site long after I saw your posts
and looked into your past postings.
I'm happy to be a character witness for Peter, but I doubt he needs
one.
And you will continue to post your nonsense. I'm not stopping you, am
I?
QOLON NOTE:
"Qolon" wrote in message
news:nN_Gd.122620$K7.81484@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Actually it has been my only subject of discourse upon the Internet over the
past nine years. The consideration is that your 'ad hominem is not only
without substance, unreasonable but unlawful' and therefore doesn't
constitute a humble opinion as you suggest.
I'm prepared to await the outcome of any considerations by the Illawarra
Astronomical Society and other substantial legal claims before undertaking
any action over pursuing a claim for damages as loss of reputation and
future employment and life opportunites to be made against Mr. Bowditch as
President of the Australian Skeptics Society whose www-page ratbags.com is
the impetus for your own accusations.
I would suggest that if your characterisations as unfounded impugnities
result in 'loss of reputation and future employment and life opportunites',
that I am quite entitled to seek reparations for the remaining natural term
of my life, from yourself and the organisations which not only define your
life circumstance, but whose status you enjoy as the basis for your bravado
and pretense as obdurated obstinance and self-infatuation.
There doesn't seem to be a need to respond further to your posts, as I've
made my intentions known and you will no doubt continue to engage with the
same predictability.
- dolf
-
"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
message news:bisou09liaj1llrkjjq84t00209dg1i19m@4ax.com...
Not according to your history, IMHO.
QOLON NOTE:
No-one is objecting to you expressing an opinion--what is being objected to
is your ad hominem which is not only without substance, unreasonable but
unlawful!
- dolf
"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
message news:67nou0leihs33r2icjrt5rhpohj7qvrdhj@4ax.com...
I love it when kooks accuse people of being fascist. It shows they
don't like to have their reality bubble pricked.
It's usenet, and I can express an opinion. Get used to it.
You will note he was referring to you, and publishing HIS email
address TWICE in several usenet groups is pretty close to a breach of
the AUP you agreed to. In fact it could be argued that that was a
deliberate attempt to invite spam to his email address.
But of course it looks like that's something you have a history of
doing.
Members of the public are always welcome.
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| | From: | Qolon | | Subject: | Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household & the Kitchen Sink | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:57:21 GMT |
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| Thank-you for acknowledging my previous post which clearly conveys to you
the consequence as the natural course of nature for you failing to take
accountability for your actions on newsgroup discussion forums.
Your further posts will be ignored, except in instances where it is
requisite to provide refutation of 'ad hominem when it is not only without
substance, unreasonable but unlawful'.
- dolf
"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
message news:g7vou0tt0u6965o9d3j8h55b5nmpvmjfrv@4ax.com...
Not at all, I found Peter Bowditch's site long after I saw your posts
and looked into your past postings.
I'm happy to be a character witness for Peter, but I doubt he needs
one.
And you will continue to post your nonsense. I'm not stopping you, am
I?
QOLON NOTE:
"Qolon" wrote in message
news:nN_Gd.122620$K7.81484@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Actually it has been my only subject of discourse upon the Internet over the
past nine years. The consideration is that your 'ad hominem is not only
without substance, unreasonable but unlawful' and therefore doesn't
constitute a humble opinion as you suggest.
I'm prepared to await the outcome of any considerations by the Illawarra
Astronomical Society and other substantial legal claims before undertaking
any action over pursuing a claim for damages as loss of reputation and
future employment and life opportunites to be made against Mr. Bowditch as
President of the Australian Skeptics Society whose www-page ratbags.com is
the impetus for your own accusations.
I would suggest that if your characterisations as unfounded impugnities
result in 'loss of reputation and future employment and life opportunites',
that I am quite entitled to seek reparations for the remaining natural term
of my life, from yourself and the organisations which not only define your
life circumstance, but whose status you enjoy as the basis for your bravado
and pretense as obdurated obstinance and self-infatuation.
There doesn't seem to be a need to respond further to your posts, as I've
made my intentions known and you will no doubt continue to engage with the
same predictability.
- dolf
-
"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
message news:bisou09liaj1llrkjjq84t00209dg1i19m@4ax.com...
Not according to your history, IMHO.
QOLON NOTE:
No-one is objecting to you expressing an opinion--what is being objected to
is your ad hominem which is not only without substance, unreasonable but
unlawful!
- dolf
"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
message news:67nou0leihs33r2icjrt5rhpohj7qvrdhj@4ax.com...
I love it when kooks accuse people of being fascist. It shows they
don't like to have their reality bubble pricked.
It's usenet, and I can express an opinion. Get used to it.
You will note he was referring to you, and publishing HIS email
address TWICE in several usenet groups is pretty close to a breach of
the AUP you agreed to. In fact it could be argued that that was a
deliberate attempt to invite spam to his email address.
But of course it looks like that's something you have a history of
doing.
Members of the public are always welcome.
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| | From: | Qolon | | Subject: | Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household & the Kitchen Sink | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:04:57 GMT |
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| A Jewish person is defined by their membership of a Jewish synagogue, a
Christian by their membership of a Christian community, a Muslim by their
membership of an Islamic community of religious faith. It seems plausible
that Mr Wally Angelsea may therefore be characterised by his membership with
the Illawarra Astromonical Society and that he makes comments as a conflict
of interests.
As I indicated previously to him, I don't understand the impetus for Mr
Wally Angelsea publicly engaging within his adverse characterisations of my
archaelogical, philosophical and theological interests and how they might
related to effecting an emendation of the Letters Patent to the Australian
Constitution of 1901.
I am uncertain in the circumstance where I am on the basis of an alternative
chronological, mathematical noumenon as space/time overlay which was
sufficiently robust enough to effect the inclusion of protection of
autonomous and sovereign rights as Section 116 of the Australian
Constitution of 1901. And on the validity of that premise, questioning the
merit of astrological based symbolic theological and philosophical [systems]
that have since the Pythagorean philosophical conception of an onomantic
form of number, has not only been the basis for architecting language
systems, forms of governance and religious systems, but historically
responsible for untold human misery, holocaust and loss of life.
I have conveyed to him that I am prepared to await the outcome of any
considerations by the Illawarra Astronomical Society and other substantial
legal claims before undertaking any action over pursuing a claim for damages
as loss of reputation and future employment and life opportunites to be made
against Mr. Bowditch as President of the Australian Skeptics Society whose
www-page ratbags.com is the impetus for your own accusations.
I would suggest that if his characterisations as unfounded impugnities
result in 'loss of reputation and future employment and life opportunites',
that I am quite entitled to seek reparations for the remaining natural term
of my life, from him and the organisations which not only define his life
circumstance, but whose status he enjoys as the basis for his bravado and
pretense as obdurated obstinance and self-infatuation.
Further action by Mr. Wally Angelsea will result in such a legal claim being
made against him, the Illawarra Astronomical Society, Mr Bowditch (with whom
Mr Wally Angelsea claims such an acquaintance with, as to be happy to be a
personal character witness for) and the Australian Skeptics Society of whom
Mr Bowditch is President.
I've made my intentions known and Mr Wally Angelsea's and the Illawarra
Astronomical Society's further posts will be ignored, except in instances
where it is requisite to provide refutation of 'ad hominem when it is not
only without substance, unreasonable but unlawful' pursuant to Section 8 of
Victoria's (Australia) Racial and Religious Tolerance Act 2001 Act No.
47/2001. He will no doubt continue to engage with the same predictability.
I have once again for sake of transparency of action, conveyed this
information as our correspondence within the public sphere to newsgroups
aus.religion.christian, aus.general, aus.politics,
alt.politics.homouality, alt.religion.sabbath-keeper, aus.legal,
soc.culture.australian where Wally Anglesea's infractions have taken place.
Your Respectfully
Dolf Boek
Melbourne, Victoria
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Russell" <@prominence.net.au>
To: "Dolf Boek" <@bigpond.net.au>
Cc: "Wally Anglesea" <@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household
& the Kitchen Sink
Dear Mr Boek,
The IAS Executive Committee met last night. After perusing Mr Anglesea's
Usenet postings, we can see no evidence whatsoever that he has violated any
clause of the IAS constitution. At no time did he act as a representative
of the IAS. His postings were made as an individual Australian citizen. Any
actions that he makes as an individual are not a concern of the IAS.
After due consideration of all the facts, we have decided that your
complaint is frivolous.
If you don't like what Mr Anglesea says, hire a barrister and take him to
court. Do NOT make any attempt to drag the IAS into this.
In the meantime, the IAS Executive has consulted its solicitor, and
observes the following:
- It's clear that your intention was to use Mr Anglesea's incidental
connection with the IAS as a threatening and harassing action to intimidate
him. As such, Mr Anglesea is entitled to pursue legal actions against you.
- You are also in breach of Telstra's Section 2.1(c) (c) of its acceptable
use policy. This is grounds to remove your Internet connection too.
- We explicitly asked you to NOT post any further emails to Usenet. You
did. You are now in violation of several clauses of the Federal privacy
laws. Penalty: two years in gaol.
- We asked you to NOT write to us again. You did. Your email is in
violation of the federal anti-spam legislation. The fine for each violation
is $50K. Your original e-mail was spam, too. That's $100K in fines.
OK. So far, you are up for two years in gaol and $100k.
And now for the personal part:
If you check very carefully, my email address does NOT appear in any public
forum. By publishing my address on a number of Usenet forums of which I am
not a member, you have exposed my address to spam attacks. Worse, you have
slandered me by associating my name with forums I have no interest in,
whatsoever.
My professional reputation is very important to me. You have damaged it.
This not only doubles the penalties mentioned above, but adds my defamation
costs too.
I'm not happy. This makes my friend Tom happy. Tom's a QC. You may have
heard of him? Tom Shand? I went to Uni with his son.
You have two choices:
- remove all of your postings from Usenet, immediately upon reading this
sentence. Then leave me and the IAS alone. If I receive ONE spam on my
private email, you will not enjoy it.
- expect a knock on the door from the sheriff tomorrow, and you'll be in
court the next day. And in gaol the day after.
Here's my hint: choose the first option.
Steve.
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| | From: | Wally Anglesea™ | | Subject: | Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household & the Kitchen Sink | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:12:01 GMT |
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| On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:04:57 GMT, "Qolon" wrote:
>A Jewish person is defined by their membership of a Jewish synagogue, a
>Christian by their membership of a Christian community, a Muslim by their
>membership of an Islamic community of religious faith. It seems plausible
>that Mr Wally Angelsea may therefore be characterised by his membership with
>the Illawarra Astromonical Society and that he makes comments as a conflict
>of interests.
ROFL You crawled over my website to find contacts in an attempt to
stir up trouble by finding contacts to whine to. Good job I keep my
customers off my personal site, isn't it?.
And that ain't ad-hominem, it's a plain simple fact.
>
>As I indicated previously to him, I don't understand the impetus for Mr
>Wally Angelsea publicly engaging within his adverse characterisations of my
>archaelogical, philosophical and theological interests and how they might
>related to effecting an emendation of the Letters Patent to the Australian
>Constitution of 1901.
>
>I am uncertain in the circumstance where I am on the basis of an alternative
>chronological, mathematical noumenon as space/time overlay which was
>sufficiently robust enough to effect the inclusion of protection of
>autonomous and sovereign rights as Section 116 of the Australian
>Constitution of 1901. And on the validity of that premise, questioning the
>merit of astrological based symbolic theological and philosophical [systems]
>that have since the Pythagorean philosophical conception of an onomantic
>form of number, has not only been the basis for architecting language
>systems, forms of governance and religious systems, but historically
>responsible for untold human misery, holocaust and loss of life.
>
>I have conveyed to him that I am prepared to await the outcome of any
>considerations by the Illawarra Astronomical Society and other substantial
>legal claims before undertaking any action over pursuing a claim for damages
>as loss of reputation and future employment and life opportunites to be made
>against Mr. Bowditch as President of the Australian Skeptics Society whose
>www-page ratbags.com is the impetus for your own accusations.
>
>I would suggest that if his characterisations as unfounded impugnities
>result in 'loss of reputation and future employment and life opportunites',
>that I am quite entitled to seek reparations for the remaining natural term
>of my life, from him and the organisations which not only define his life
>circumstance, but whose status he enjoys as the basis for his bravado and
>pretense as obdurated obstinance and self-infatuation.
>
>Further action by Mr. Wally Angelsea will result in such a legal claim being
>made against him, the Illawarra Astronomical Society, Mr Bowditch (with whom
>Mr Wally Angelsea claims such an acquaintance with, as to be happy to be a
>personal character witness for) and the Australian Skeptics Society of whom
>Mr Bowditch is President.
>
>I've made my intentions known and Mr Wally Angelsea's and the Illawarra
>Astronomical Society's further posts will be ignored, except in instances
>where it is requisite to provide refutation of 'ad hominem when it is not
>only without substance, unreasonable but unlawful' pursuant to Section 8 of
>Victoria's (Australia) Racial and Religious Tolerance Act 2001 Act No.
>47/2001. He will no doubt continue to engage with the same predictability.
>
>I have once again for sake of transparency of action, conveyed this
>information as our correspondence within the public sphere to newsgroups
>aus.religion.christian, aus.general, aus.politics,
>alt.politics.homouality, alt.religion.sabbath-keeper, aus.legal,
>soc.culture.australian where Wally Anglesea's infractions have taken place.
And I've included alt.usenet.kooks, because that's appropriate IMHO.
>
>Your Respectfully
>
>
>
>
>Dolf Boek
>Melbourne, Victoria
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Russell" <@prominence.net.au>
>To: "Dolf Boek" <@bigpond.net.au>
>Cc: "Wally Anglesea" <@bigpond.net.au>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:14 PM
>Subject: Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household
>& the Kitchen Sink
>
>
>Dear Mr Boek,
>
>The IAS Executive Committee met last night. After perusing Mr Anglesea's
>Usenet postings, we can see no evidence whatsoever that he has violated any
>clause of the IAS constitution. At no time did he act as a representative
>of the IAS. His postings were made as an individual Australian citizen. Any
>actions that he makes as an individual are not a concern of the IAS.
>
>After due consideration of all the facts, we have decided that your
>complaint is frivolous.
>
>If you don't like what Mr Anglesea says, hire a barrister and take him to
>court. Do NOT make any attempt to drag the IAS into this.
>
>In the meantime, the IAS Executive has consulted its solicitor, and
>observes the following:
>
>- It's clear that your intention was to use Mr Anglesea's incidental
>connection with the IAS as a threatening and harassing action to intimidate
>him. As such, Mr Anglesea is entitled to pursue legal actions against you.
>
>- You are also in breach of Telstra's Section 2.1(c) (c) of its acceptable
>use policy. This is grounds to remove your Internet connection too.
>
>- We explicitly asked you to NOT post any further emails to Usenet. You
>did. You are now in violation of several clauses of the Federal privacy
>laws. Penalty: two years in gaol.
>
>- We asked you to NOT write to us again. You did. Your email is in
>violation of the federal anti-spam legislation. The fine for each violation
>is $50K. Your original e-mail was spam, too. That's $100K in fines.
>
>OK. So far, you are up for two years in gaol and $100k.
>
>And now for the personal part:
>
>If you check very carefully, my email address does NOT appear in any public
>forum. By publishing my address on a number of Usenet forums of which I am
>not a member, you have exposed my address to spam attacks. Worse, you have
>slandered me by associating my name with forums I have no interest in,
>whatsoever.
>
>My professional reputation is very important to me. You have damaged it.
>This not only doubles the penalties mentioned above, but adds my defamation
>costs too.
>
>I'm not happy. This makes my friend Tom happy. Tom's a QC. You may have
>heard of him? Tom Shand? I went to Uni with his son.
>
>You have two choices:
>
>- remove all of your postings from Usenet, immediately upon reading this
>sentence. Then leave me and the IAS alone. If I receive ONE spam on my
>private email, you will not enjoy it.
>
>- expect a knock on the door from the sheriff tomorrow, and you'll be in
>court the next day. And in gaol the day after.
>
>Here's my hint: choose the first option.
>
>Steve.
>
>
--
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http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm
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|
|
| | From: | Qolon | | Subject: | Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household & the Kitchen Sink | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:26:11 GMT |
|
|
| An incorrect assertion on your part. Your own www-page appears to be a
cacophony with no panache and finesse by which one would describe it as
acquainted with design.
As I conveyed previously, "I am uncertain as to why the Society ought to be
aggrieved as you suggest, by the transparency of procedure. It is not
as though you don't have a public presence within this medium:
."
Its my view, that you are now simply operating from primal incommensurate
dichotomies of desire as appetite as the impetus for engaging in further
justifications as bravado and pretense as obdurated obstinance and
self-infatuation--your opinion cannot therefore be defined as humble.
Thank-you again for acknowledging the actions previously undertaken.
- dolf
"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
message news:seuqu01n8gk2sf6vbd7156f57veuhksdej@4ax.com...
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:04:57 GMT, "Qolon" wrote:
>A Jewish person is defined by their membership of a Jewish synagogue, a
>Christian by their membership of a Christian community, a Muslim by their
>membership of an Islamic community of religious faith. It seems plausible
>that Mr Wally Angelsea may therefore be characterised by his membership
with
>the Illawarra Astronomical Society and that he makes comments as a conflict
>of interests.
ROFL You crawled over my website to find contacts in an attempt to
stir up trouble by finding contacts to whine to. Good job I keep my
customers off my personal site, isn't it?.
And that ain't ad-hominem, it's a plain simple fact.
>
>As I indicated previously to him, I don't understand the impetus for Mr
>Wally Angelsea publicly engaging within his adverse characterisations of my
>archaelogical, philosophical and theological interests and how they might
>relate to effecting an emendation of the Letters Patent to the Australian
>Constitution of 1901.
>
>I am uncertain in the circumstance where I am on the basis of an
alternative
>chronological, mathematical noumenon as space/time overlay which was
>sufficiently robust enough to effect the inclusion of protection of
>autonomous and sovereign rights as Section 116 of the Australian
>Constitution of 1901. And on the validity of that premise, questioning the
>merit of astrological based symbolic theological and philosophical
[systems]
>that have since the Pythagorean philosophical conception of an onomantic
>form of number, has not only been the basis for architecting language
>systems, forms of governance and religious systems, but historically
>responsible for untold human misery, holocaust and loss of life.
>
>I have conveyed to him that I am prepared to await the outcome of any
>considerations by the Illawarra Astronomical Society and other substantial
>legal claims before undertaking any action over pursuing a claim for
damages
>as loss of reputation and future employment and life opportunites to be
made
>against Mr. Bowditch as President of the Australian Skeptics Society whose
>www-page ratbags.com is the impetus for [his] own accusations.
>
>I would suggest that if his characterisations as unfounded impugnities
>result in 'loss of reputation and future employment and life opportunites',
>that I am quite entitled to seek reparations for the remaining natural term
>of my life, from him and the organisations which not only define his life
>circumstance, but whose status he enjoys as the basis for his bravado and
>pretense as obdurated obstinance and self-infatuation.
>
>Further action by Mr. Wally Angelsea will result in such a legal claim
being
>made against him, the Illawarra Astronomical Society, Mr Bowditch (with
whom
>Mr Wally Angelsea claims such an acquaintance with, as to be happy to be a
>personal character witness for) and the Australian Skeptics Society of whom
>Mr Bowditch is President.
>
>I've made my intentions known and Mr Wally Angelsea's and the Illawarra
>Astronomical Society's further posts will be ignored, except in instances
>where it is requisite to provide refutation of 'ad hominem when it is not
>only without substance, unreasonable but unlawful' pursuant to Section 8 of
>Victoria's (Australia) Racial and Religious Tolerance Act 2001 Act No.
>47/2001. He will no doubt continue to engage with the same predictability.
>
>I have once again for sake of transparency of action, conveyed this
>information as our correspondence within the public sphere to newsgroups
>aus.religion.christian, aus.general, aus.politics,
>alt.politics.homouality, alt.religion.sabbath-keeper, aus.legal,
>soc.culture.australian where Wally Anglesea's infractions have taken place.
And I've included alt.usenet.kooks, because that's appropriate IMHO.
>
>Your Respectfully
>
>
>
>
>Dolf Boek
>Melbourne, Victoria
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Russell" <@prominence.net.au>
>To: "Dolf Boek" <@bigpond.net.au>
>Cc: "Wally Anglesea" <@bigpond.net.au>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:14 PM
>Subject: Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household
>& the Kitchen Sink
>
>
>Dear Mr Boek,
>
>The IAS Executive Committee met last night. After perusing Mr Anglesea's
>Usenet postings, we can see no evidence whatsoever that he has violated any
>clause of the IAS constitution. At no time did he act as a representative
>of the IAS. His postings were made as an individual Australian citizen. Any
>actions that he makes as an individual are not a concern of the IAS.
>
>After due consideration of all the facts, we have decided that your
>complaint is frivolous.
>
>If you don't like what Mr Anglesea says, hire a barrister and take him to
>court. Do NOT make any attempt to drag the IAS into this.
>
>In the meantime, the IAS Executive has consulted its solicitor, and
>observes the following:
>
>- It's clear that your intention was to use Mr Anglesea's incidental
>connection with the IAS as a threatening and harassing action to intimidate
>him. As such, Mr Anglesea is entitled to pursue legal actions against you.
>
>- You are also in breach of Telstra's Section 2.1(c) (c) of its acceptable
>use policy. This is grounds to remove your Internet connection too.
>
>- We explicitly asked you to NOT post any further emails to Usenet. You
>did. You are now in violation of several clauses of the Federal privacy
>laws. Penalty: two years in gaol.
>
>- We asked you to NOT write to us again. You did. Your email is in
>violation of the federal anti-spam legislation. The fine for each violation
>is $50K. Your original e-mail was spam, too. That's $100K in fines.
>
>OK. So far, you are up for two years in gaol and $100k.
>
>And now for the personal part:
>
>If you check very carefully, my email address does NOT appear in any public
>forum. By publishing my address on a number of Usenet forums of which I am
>not a member, you have exposed my address to spam attacks. Worse, you have
>slandered me by associating my name with forums I have no interest in,
>whatsoever.
>
>My professional reputation is very important to me. You have damaged it.
>This not only doubles the penalties mentioned above, but adds my defamation
>costs too.
>
>I'm not happy. This makes my friend Tom happy. Tom's a QC. You may have
>heard of him? Tom Shand? I went to Uni with his son.
>
>You have two choices:
>
>- remove all of your postings from Usenet, immediately upon reading this
>sentence. Then leave me and the IAS alone. If I receive ONE spam on my
>private email, you will not enjoy it.
>
>- expect a knock on the door from the sheriff tomorrow, and you'll be in
>court the next day. And in gaol the day after.
>
>Here's my hint: choose the first option.
>
>Steve.
>
>
--
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http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm
"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."
|
|
| | From: | Wally Anglesea™ | | Subject: | Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household & the Kitchen Sink | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:45:07 GMT |
|
|
| On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:26:11 GMT, "Qolon" wrote:
>An incorrect assertion on your part. Your own www-page appears to be a
>cacophony with no panache and finesse by which one would describe it as
>acquainted with design.
Whereas yours is a reflection of your obsession. My webpages serve
their purpose, as no doubt yours do. Style and content is all up to
the individual. That's the beauty of the Internet.
>
>As I conveyed previously, "I am uncertain as to why the Society ought to be
>aggrieved as you suggest, by the transparency of procedure. It is not
>as though you don't have a public presence within this medium:
>."
And I neither included links to the society in my sig files in my
replies to you, nor represented anything I said as a reflection of the
societies views. Nothing in my postings *whatsoever* suggested I am a
member of the IAS. You had to go looking.
So, you decided to look to see who you could whine to.
*YOU* decided to expose the private email address of a 3rd party to
usenet groups. Heretofore that email address has been spam free. Your
inclusion of it as such even after being asked politely to refrain
from doing so, is mischievous, and deliberate, and can be considered a
breach of the AUP you agreed to, and if he now gets spam to that email
address it can be directly attributed to your actions.
I won't complain, because I Bellevue in freedom of speech ('ill leave
that to the individual concerned).
Fascists, though seem to object to freedom of speech, I've noticed,
and try to shut down opposing views.
Sound familiar?
>
>Its my view, that you are now simply operating from primal incommensurate
>dichotomies of desire as appetite as the impetus for engaging in further
>justifications as bravado and pretense as obdurated obstinance and
>self-infatuation--your opinion cannot therefore be defined as humble.
>
>Thank-you again for acknowledging the actions previously undertaken.
>
>- dolf
>
>"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
>message news:seuqu01n8gk2sf6vbd7156f57veuhksdej@4ax.com...
>On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:04:57 GMT, "Qolon" wrote:
>
>
>>A Jewish person is defined by their membership of a Jewish synagogue, a
>>Christian by their membership of a Christian community, a Muslim by their
>>membership of an Islamic community of religious faith. It seems plausible
>>that Mr Wally Angelsea may therefore be characterised by his membership
>with
>>the Illawarra Astronomical Society and that he makes comments as a conflict
>>of interests.
>
>
>ROFL You crawled over my website to find contacts in an attempt to
>stir up trouble by finding contacts to whine to. Good job I keep my
>customers off my personal site, isn't it?.
>
>And that ain't ad-hominem, it's a plain simple fact.
>
>
>>
>>As I indicated previously to him, I don't understand the impetus for Mr
>>Wally Angelsea publicly engaging within his adverse characterisations of my
>>archaelogical, philosophical and theological interests and how they might
>>relate to effecting an emendation of the Letters Patent to the Australian
>>Constitution of 1901.
>>
>>I am uncertain in the circumstance where I am on the basis of an
>alternative
>>chronological, mathematical noumenon as space/time overlay which was
>>sufficiently robust enough to effect the inclusion of protection of
>>autonomous and sovereign rights as Section 116 of the Australian
>>Constitution of 1901. And on the validity of that premise, questioning the
>>merit of astrological based symbolic theological and philosophical
>[systems]
>>that have since the Pythagorean philosophical conception of an onomantic
>>form of number, has not only been the basis for architecting language
>>systems, forms of governance and religious systems, but historically
>>responsible for untold human misery, holocaust and loss of life.
>>
>>I have conveyed to him that I am prepared to await the outcome of any
>>considerations by the Illawarra Astronomical Society and other substantial
>>legal claims before undertaking any action over pursuing a claim for
>damages
>>as loss of reputation and future employment and life opportunites to be
>made
>>against Mr. Bowditch as President of the Australian Skeptics Society whose
>>www-page ratbags.com is the impetus for [his] own accusations.
>>
>>I would suggest that if his characterisations as unfounded impugnities
>>result in 'loss of reputation and future employment and life opportunites',
>>that I am quite entitled to seek reparations for the remaining natural term
>>of my life, from him and the organisations which not only define his life
>>circumstance, but whose status he enjoys as the basis for his bravado and
>>pretense as obdurated obstinance and self-infatuation.
>>
>>Further action by Mr. Wally Angelsea will result in such a legal claim
>being
>>made against him, the Illawarra Astronomical Society, Mr Bowditch (with
>whom
>>Mr Wally Angelsea claims such an acquaintance with, as to be happy to be a
>>personal character witness for) and the Australian Skeptics Society of whom
>>Mr Bowditch is President.
>>
>>I've made my intentions known and Mr Wally Angelsea's and the Illawarra
>>Astronomical Society's further posts will be ignored, except in instances
>>where it is requisite to provide refutation of 'ad hominem when it is not
>>only without substance, unreasonable but unlawful' pursuant to Section 8 of
>>Victoria's (Australia) Racial and Religious Tolerance Act 2001 Act No.
>>47/2001. He will no doubt continue to engage with the same predictability.
>>
>>I have once again for sake of transparency of action, conveyed this
>>information as our correspondence within the public sphere to newsgroups
>>aus.religion.christian, aus.general, aus.politics,
>>alt.politics.homouality, alt.religion.sabbath-keeper, aus.legal,
>>soc.culture.australian where Wally Anglesea's infractions have taken place.
>
>
>And I've included alt.usenet.kooks, because that's appropriate IMHO.
>
>>
>>Your Respectfully
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Dolf Boek
>>Melbourne, Victoria
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:14 PM
>>Subject: Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household
>>& the Kitchen Sink
>>
>>
>>Dear Mr Boek,
>>
>>The IAS Executive Committee met last night. After perusing Mr Anglesea's
>>Usenet postings, we can see no evidence whatsoever that he has violated any
>>clause of the IAS constitution. At no time did he act as a representative
>>of the IAS. His postings were made as an individual Australian citizen. Any
>>actions that he makes as an individual are not a concern of the IAS.
>>
>>After due consideration of all the facts, we have decided that your
>>complaint is frivolous.
>>
>>If you don't like what Mr Anglesea says, hire a barrister and take him to
>>court. Do NOT make any attempt to drag the IAS into this.
>>
>>In the meantime, the IAS Executive has consulted its solicitor, and
>>observes the following:
>>
>>- It's clear that your intention was to use Mr Anglesea's incidental
>>connection with the IAS as a threatening and harassing action to intimidate
>>him. As such, Mr Anglesea is entitled to pursue legal actions against you.
>>
>>- You are also in breach of Telstra's Section 2.1(c) (c) of its acceptable
>>use policy. This is grounds to remove your Internet connection too.
>>
>>- We explicitly asked you to NOT post any further emails to Usenet. You
>>did. You are now in violation of several clauses of the Federal privacy
>>laws. Penalty: two years in gaol.
>>
>>- We asked you to NOT write to us again. You did. Your email is in
>>violation of the federal anti-spam legislation. The fine for each violation
>>is $50K. Your original e-mail was spam, too. That's $100K in fines.
>>
>>OK. So far, you are up for two years in gaol and $100k.
>>
>>And now for the personal part:
>>
>>If you check very carefully, my email address does NOT appear in any public
>>forum. By publishing my address on a number of Usenet forums of which I am
>>not a member, you have exposed my address to spam attacks. Worse, you have
>>slandered me by associating my name with forums I have no interest in,
>>whatsoever.
>>
>>My professional reputation is very important to me. You have damaged it.
>>This not only doubles the penalties mentioned above, but adds my defamation
>>costs too.
>>
>>I'm not happy. This makes my friend Tom happy. Tom's a QC. You may have
>>heard of him? Tom Shand? I went to Uni with his son.
>>
>>You have two choices:
>>
>>- remove all of your postings from Usenet, immediately upon reading this
>>sentence. Then leave me and the IAS alone. If I receive ONE spam on my
>>private email, you will not enjoy it.
>>
>>- expect a knock on the door from the sheriff tomorrow, and you'll be in
>>court the next day. And in gaol the day after.
>>
>>Here's my hint: choose the first option.
>>
>>Steve.
>>
>>
--
Find out about Australia's most dangerous Doomsday Cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm
"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down."
|
|
| | From: | Qolon | | Subject: | Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household & the Kitchen Sink | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:09:30 GMT |
|
|
| There is an incorrect statement which I need to correct, namely:
'*YOU* decided to expose the private email address of a 3rd party to
usenet groups. Heretofore that email address has been spam free. Your
inclusion of it as such even after being asked politely to refrain
from doing so, is mischievous, and deliberate, and can be considered a
breach of the AUP you agreed to, and if he now gets spam to that email
address it can be directly attributed to your actions." [Wally Anglesea]
"If you check very carefully, my email address does NOT appear in any public
forum. By publishing my address on a number of Usenet forums of which I am
not a member, you have exposed my address to spam attacks. Worse, you have
slandered me by associating my name with forums I have no interest in,
whatsoever." [Steve Russell]
Apart from publicly conveying my complaint to the public and published
address Enquiries@ias.ozastro.org, I have at no stage subjected the email
addresses of "Stephen Russell" <@prominence.net.au> or "Wally Anglesea"
<@bigpond.net.au> to public disclosure.
However, I have no confidence that the matter was in reality addressed by
the Illawarra Astonomical Society's executive committee as per my request to
have the matter tabled at either of their 8 February or 8 March meetings for
considerations--do the rules of your Society allow the executive to form
within 24 hours notice and take action upon a draft and informal request for
details of the procedure as to how the Society might formally address the
matter?
Doesn't such a formal complaint need to be in writing to PO Box 1814,
Wollongong 2522?
- dolf
-
"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
message news:u50ru05rimsonjajl08qso4m7q9v31mjfs@4ax.com...
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:26:11 GMT, "Qolon" wrote:
>An incorrect assertion on your part. Your own www-page appears to be a
>cacophony with no panache and finesse by which one would describe it as
>acquainted with design.
Whereas yours is a reflection of your obsession. My webpages serve
their purpose, as no doubt yours do. Style and content is all up to
the individual. That's the beauty of the Internet.
>
>As I conveyed previously, "I am uncertain as to why the Society ought to be
>aggrieved as you suggest, by the transparency of procedure. It is not
>as though you don't have a public presence within this medium:
>."
And I neither included links to the society in my sig files in my
replies to you, nor represented anything I said as a reflection of the
societies views. Nothing in my postings *whatsoever* suggested I am a
member of the IAS. You had to go looking.
So, you decided to look to see who you could whine to.
*YOU* decided to expose the private email address of a 3rd party to
usenet groups. Heretofore that email address has been spam free. Your
inclusion of it as such even after being asked politely to refrain
from doing so, is mischievous, and deliberate, and can be considered a
breach of the AUP you agreed to, and if he now gets spam to that email
address it can be directly attributed to your actions.
I won't complain, because I Bellevue in freedom of speech ('ill leave
that to the individual concerned).
Fascists, though seem to object to freedom of speech, I've noticed,
and try to shut down opposing views.
Sound familiar?
>
>Its my view, that you are now simply operating from primal incommensurate
>dichotomies of desire as appetite as the impetus for engaging in further
>justifications as bravado and pretense as obdurated obstinance and
>self-infatuation--your opinion cannot therefore be defined as humble.
>
>Thank-you again for acknowledging the actions previously undertaken.
>
>- dolf
>
>"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
>message news:seuqu01n8gk2sf6vbd7156f57veuhksdej@4ax.com...
>On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:04:57 GMT, "Qolon" wrote:
>
>
>>A Jewish person is defined by their membership of a Jewish synagogue, a
>>Christian by their membership of a Christian community, a Muslim by their
>>membership of an Islamic community of religious faith. It seems plausible
>>that Mr Wally Angelsea may therefore be characterised by his membership
>with
>>the Illawarra Astronomical Society and that he makes comments as a
conflict
>>of interests.
>
>
>ROFL You crawled over my website to find contacts in an attempt to
>stir up trouble by finding contacts to whine to. Good job I keep my
>customers off my personal site, isn't it?.
>
>And that ain't ad-hominem, it's a plain simple fact.
>
>
>>
>>As I indicated previously to him, I don't understand the impetus for Mr
>>Wally Angelsea publicly engaging within his adverse characterisations of
my
>>archaelogical, philosophical and theological interests and how they might
>>relate to effecting an emendation of the Letters Patent to the Australian
>>Constitution of 1901.
>>
>>I am uncertain in the circumstance where I am on the basis of an
>alternative
>>chronological, mathematical noumenon as space/time overlay which was
>>sufficiently robust enough to effect the inclusion of protection of
>>autonomous and sovereign rights as Section 116 of the Australian
>>Constitution of 1901. And on the validity of that premise, questioning the
>>merit of astrological based symbolic theological and philosophical
>[systems]
>>that have since the Pythagorean philosophical conception of an onomantic
>>form of number, has not only been the basis for architecting language
>>systems, forms of governance and religious systems, but historically
>>responsible for untold human misery, holocaust and loss of life.
>>
>>I have conveyed to him that I am prepared to await the outcome of any
>>considerations by the Illawarra Astronomical Society and other substantial
>>legal claims before undertaking any action over pursuing a claim for
>damages
>>as loss of reputation and future employment and life opportunites to be
>made
>>against Mr. Bowditch as President of the Australian Skeptics Society whose
>>www-page ratbags.com is the impetus for [his] own accusations.
>>
>>I would suggest that if his characterisations as unfounded impugnities
>>result in 'loss of reputation and future employment and life
opportunites',
>>that I am quite entitled to seek reparations for the remaining natural
term
>>of my life, from him and the organisations which not only define his life
>>circumstance, but whose status he enjoys as the basis for his bravado and
>>pretense as obdurated obstinance and self-infatuation.
>>
>>Further action by Mr. Wally Angelsea will result in such a legal claim
>being
>>made against him, the Illawarra Astronomical Society, Mr Bowditch (with
>whom
>>Mr Wally Angelsea claims such an acquaintance with, as to be happy to be a
>>personal character witness for) and the Australian Skeptics Society of
whom
>>Mr Bowditch is President.
>>
>>I've made my intentions known and Mr Wally Angelsea's and the Illawarra
>>Astronomical Society's further posts will be ignored, except in instances
>>where it is requisite to provide refutation of 'ad hominem when it is not
>>only without substance, unreasonable but unlawful' pursuant to Section 8
of
>>Victoria's (Australia) Racial and Religious Tolerance Act 2001 Act No.
>>47/2001. He will no doubt continue to engage with the same predictability.
>>
>>I have once again for sake of transparency of action, conveyed this
>>information as our correspondence within the public sphere to newsgroups
>>aus.religion.christian, aus.general, aus.politics,
>>alt.politics.homouality, alt.religion.sabbath-keeper, aus.legal,
>>soc.culture.australian where Wally Anglesea's infractions have taken
place.
>
>
>And I've included alt.usenet.kooks, because that's appropriate IMHO.
>
>>
>>Your Respectfully
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Dolf Boek
>>Melbourne, Victoria
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Stephen Russell" <@prominence.net.au>
>>To: "Dolf Boek" <@bigpond.net.au>
>>Cc: "Wally Anglesea" <@bigpond.net.au>
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:14 PM
>>Subject: Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution:
Household
>>& the Kitchen Sink
>
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:14 PM
>>Subject: Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution:
Household
>>& the Kitchen Sink
>>
>>
>>Dear Mr Boek,
>>
>>The IAS Executive Committee met last night. After perusing Mr Anglesea's
>>Usenet postings, we can see no evidence whatsoever that he has violated
any
>>clause of the IAS constitution. At no time did he act as a representative
>>of the IAS. His postings were made as an individual Australian citizen.
Any
>>actions that he makes as an individual are not a concern of the IAS.
>>
>>After due consideration of all the facts, we have decided that your
>>complaint is frivolous.
>>
>>If you don't like what Mr Anglesea says, hire a barrister and take him to
>>court. Do NOT make any attempt to drag the IAS into this.
>>
>>In the meantime, the IAS Executive has consulted its solicitor, and
>>observes the following:
>>
>>- It's clear that your intention was to use Mr Anglesea's incidental
>>connection with the IAS as a threatening and harassing action to
intimidate
>>him. As such, Mr Anglesea is entitled to pursue legal actions against you.
>>
>>- You are also in breach of Telstra's Section 2.1(c) (c) of its acceptable
>>use policy. This is grounds to remove your Internet connection too.
>>
>>- We explicitly asked you to NOT post any further emails to Usenet. You
>>did. You are now in violation of several clauses of the Federal privacy
>>laws. Penalty: two years in gaol.
>>
>>- We asked you to NOT write to us again. You did. Your email is in
>>violation of the federal anti-spam legislation. The fine for each
violation
>>is $50K. Your original e-mail was spam, too. That's $100K in fines.
>>
>>OK. So far, you are up for two years in gaol and $100k.
>>
>>And now for the personal part:
>>
>>If you check very carefully, my email address does NOT appear in any
public
>>forum. By publishing my address on a number of Usenet forums of which I am
>>not a member, you have exposed my address to spam attacks. Worse, you have
>>slandered me by associating my name with forums I have no interest in,
>>whatsoever.
>>
>>My professional reputation is very important to me. You have damaged it.
>>This not only doubles the penalties mentioned above, but adds my
defamation
>>costs too.
>>
>>I'm not happy. This makes my friend Tom happy. Tom's a QC. You may have
>>heard of him? Tom Shand? I went to Uni with his son.
>>
>>You have two choices:
>>
>>- remove all of your postings from Usenet, immediately upon reading this
>>sentence. Then leave me and the IAS alone. If I receive ONE spam on my
>>private email, you will not enjoy it.
>>
>>- expect a knock on the door from the sheriff tomorrow, and you'll be in
>>court the next day. And in gaol the day after.
>>
>>Here's my hint: choose the first option.
>>
>>Steve.
>>
>>
--
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|
| | From: | Wally Anglesea™ | | Subject: | Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household & the Kitchen Sink | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:26:53 GMT |
|
|
| On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:09:30 GMT, "Qolon" wrote:
>There is an incorrect statement which I need to correct, namely:
>
>'*YOU* decided to expose the private email address of a 3rd party to
>usenet groups. Heretofore that email address has been spam free. Your
>inclusion of it as such even after being asked politely to refrain
>from doing so, is mischievous, and deliberate, and can be considered a
>breach of the AUP you agreed to, and if he now gets spam to that email
>address it can be directly attributed to your actions." [Wally Anglesea]
>
>"If you check very carefully, my email address does NOT appear in any public
>forum. By publishing my address on a number of Usenet forums of which I am
>not a member, you have exposed my address to spam attacks. Worse, you have
>slandered me by associating my name with forums I have no interest in,
>whatsoever." [Steve Russell]
>
>Apart from publicly conveying my complaint to the public and published
>address Enquiries@ias.ozastro.org, I have at no stage subjected the email
>addresses of "Stephen Russell" <@prominence.net.au> or "Wally Anglesea"
><@bigpond.net.au> to public disclosure.
>
>However, I have no confidence that the matter was in reality addressed by
>the Illawarra Astonomical Society's executive committee as per my request to
>have the matter tabled at either of their 8 February or 8 March meetings for
>considerations--do the rules of your Society allow the executive to form
>within 24 hours notice and take action upon a draft and informal request for
>details of the procedure as to how the Society might formally address the
>matter?
The comittee met, and your claim was effectively dealt with, as you
have been advised.
The meetings listed are general meetings, not executive comittee
meetings, which are held on different occasions as required.
As I said previously, members of the public are welcome to attend
public meetings. If you attend we can discuss both your position, and
I'm sure we will also have a lively debate about your astrological
claims.
>
>Doesn't such a formal complaint need to be in writing to PO Box 1814,
>Wollongong 2522?
You already lodged a complaint, and that was dealt with. Lodging
another would seem to be superfluous, and a waste of time, but I can't
stop you sending a letter, nor would I do so.
>
>- dolf
>-
>
>"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
>message news:u50ru05rimsonjajl08qso4m7q9v31mjfs@4ax.com...
>On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:26:11 GMT, "Qolon" wrote:
>
>>An incorrect assertion on your part. Your own www-page appears to be a
>>cacophony with no panache and finesse by which one would describe it as
>>acquainted with design.
>
>Whereas yours is a reflection of your obsession. My webpages serve
>their purpose, as no doubt yours do. Style and content is all up to
>the individual. That's the beauty of the Internet.
>
>>
>>As I conveyed previously, "I am uncertain as to why the Society ought to be
>>aggrieved as you suggest, by the transparency of procedure. It is not
>>as though you don't have a public presence within this medium:
>>."
>
>And I neither included links to the society in my sig files in my
>replies to you, nor represented anything I said as a reflection of the
>societies views. Nothing in my postings *whatsoever* suggested I am a
>member of the IAS. You had to go looking.
>
>So, you decided to look to see who you could whine to.
>
> *YOU* decided to expose the private email address of a 3rd party to
>usenet groups. Heretofore that email address has been spam free. Your
>inclusion of it as such even after being asked politely to refrain
>from doing so, is mischievous, and deliberate, and can be considered a
>breach of the AUP you agreed to, and if he now gets spam to that email
>address it can be directly attributed to your actions.
>
>I won't complain, because I Bellevue in freedom of speech ('ill leave
>that to the individual concerned).
>
>Fascists, though seem to object to freedom of speech, I've noticed,
>and try to shut down opposing views.
>
>Sound familiar?
>
>
>
>>
>>Its my view, that you are now simply operating from primal incommensurate
>>dichotomies of desire as appetite as the impetus for engaging in further
>>justifications as bravado and pretense as obdurated obstinance and
>>self-infatuation--your opinion cannot therefore be defined as humble.
>>
>>Thank-you again for acknowledging the actions previously undertaken.
>>
>>- dolf
>>
>>"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
>>message news:seuqu01n8gk2sf6vbd7156f57veuhksdej@4ax.com...
>>On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:04:57 GMT, "Qolon" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>A Jewish person is defined by their membership of a Jewish synagogue, a
>>>Christian by their membership of a Christian community, a Muslim by their
>>>membership of an Islamic community of religious faith. It seems plausible
>>>that Mr Wally Angelsea may therefore be characterised by his membership
>>with
>>>the Illawarra Astronomical Society and that he makes comments as a
>conflict
>>>of interests.
>>
>>
>>ROFL You crawled over my website to find contacts in an attempt to
>>stir up trouble by finding contacts to whine to. Good job I keep my
>>customers off my personal site, isn't it?.
>>
>>And that ain't ad-hominem, it's a plain simple fact.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>As I indicated previously to him, I don't understand the impetus for Mr
>>>Wally Angelsea publicly engaging within his adverse characterisations of
>my
>>>archaelogical, philosophical and theological interests and how they might
>>>relate to effecting an emendation of the Letters Patent to the Australian
>>>Constitution of 1901.
>>>
>>>I am uncertain in the circumstance where I am on the basis of an
>>alternative
>>>chronological, mathematical noumenon as space/time overlay which was
>>>sufficiently robust enough to effect the inclusion of protection of
>>>autonomous and sovereign rights as Section 116 of the Australian
>>>Constitution of 1901. And on the validity of that premise, questioning the
>>>merit of astrological based symbolic theological and philosophical
>>[systems]
>>>that have since the Pythagorean philosophical conception of an onomantic
>>>form of number, has not only been the basis for architecting language
>>>systems, forms of governance and religious systems, but historically
>>>responsible for untold human misery, holocaust and loss of life.
>>>
>>>I have conveyed to him that I am prepared to await the outcome of any
>>>considerations by the Illawarra Astronomical Society and other substantial
>>>legal claims before undertaking any action over pursuing a claim for
>>damages
>>>as loss of reputation and future employment and life opportunites to be
>>made
>>>against Mr. Bowditch as President of the Australian Skeptics Society whose
>>>www-page ratbags.com is the impetus for [his] own accusations.
>>>
>>>I would suggest that if his characterisations as unfounded impugnities
>>>result in 'loss of reputation and future employment and life
>opportunites',
>>>that I am quite entitled to seek reparations for the remaining natural
>term
>>>of my life, from him and the organisations which not only define his life
>>>circumstance, but whose status he enjoys as the basis for his bravado and
>>>pretense as obdurated obstinance and self-infatuation.
>>>
>>>Further action by Mr. Wally Angelsea will result in such a legal claim
>>being
>>>made against him, the Illawarra Astronomical Society, Mr Bowditch (with
>>whom
>>>Mr Wally Angelsea claims such an acquaintance with, as to be happy to be a
>>>personal character witness for) and the Australian Skeptics Society of
>whom
>>>Mr Bowditch is President.
>>>
>>>I've made my intentions known and Mr Wally Angelsea's and the Illawarra
>>>Astronomical Society's further posts will be ignored, except in instances
>>>where it is requisite to provide refutation of 'ad hominem when it is not
>>>only without substance, unreasonable but unlawful' pursuant to Section 8
>of
>>>Victoria's (Australia) Racial and Religious Tolerance Act 2001 Act No.
>>>47/2001. He will no doubt continue to engage with the same predictability.
>>>
>>>I have once again for sake of transparency of action, conveyed this
>>>information as our correspondence within the public sphere to newsgroups
>>>aus.religion.christian, aus.general, aus.politics,
>>>alt.politics.homouality, alt.religion.sabbath-keeper, aus.legal,
>>>soc.culture.australian where Wally Anglesea's infractions have taken
>place.
>>
>>
>>And I've included alt.usenet.kooks, because that's appropriate IMHO.
>>
>>>
>>>Your Respectfully
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dolf Boek
>>>Melbourne, Victoria
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Stephen Russell" <@prominence.net.au>
>>>To: "Dolf Boek" <@bigpond.net.au>
>>>Cc: "Wally Anglesea" <@bigpond.net.au>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:14 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution:
>Household
>>>& the Kitchen Sink
>>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:14 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution:
>Household
>>>& the Kitchen Sink
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Mr Boek,
>>>
>>>The IAS Executive Committee met last night. After perusing Mr Anglesea's
>>>Usenet postings, we can see no evidence whatsoever that he has violated
>any
>>>clause of the IAS constitution. At no time did he act as a representative
>>>of the IAS. His postings were made as an individual Australian citizen.
>Any
>>>actions that he makes as an individual are not a concern of the IAS.
>>>
>>>After due consideration of all the facts, we have decided that your
>>>complaint is frivolous.
>>>
>>>If you don't like what Mr Anglesea says, hire a barrister and take him to
>>>court. Do NOT make any attempt to drag the IAS into this.
>>>
>>>In the meantime, the IAS Executive has consulted its solicitor, and
>>>observes the following:
>>>
>>>- It's clear that your intention was to use Mr Anglesea's incidental
>>>connection with the IAS as a threatening and harassing action to
>intimidate
>>>him. As such, Mr Anglesea is entitled to pursue legal actions against you.
>>>
>>>- You are also in breach of Telstra's Section 2.1(c) (c) of its acceptable
>>>use policy. This is grounds to remove your Internet connection too.
>>>
>>>- We explicitly asked you to NOT post any further emails to Usenet. You
>>>did. You are now in violation of several clauses of the Federal privacy
>>>laws. Penalty: two years in gaol.
>>>
>>>- We asked you to NOT write to us again. You did. Your email is in
>>>violation of the federal anti-spam legislation. The fine for each
>violation
>>>is $50K. Your original e-mail was spam, too. That's $100K in fines.
>>>
>>>OK. So far, you are up for two years in gaol and $100k.
>>>
>>>And now for the personal part:
>>>
>>>If you check very carefully, my email address does NOT appear in any
>public
>>>forum. By publishing my address on a number of Usenet forums of which I am
>>>not a member, you have exposed my address to spam attacks. Worse, you have
>>>slandered me by associating my name with forums I have no interest in,
>>>whatsoever.
>>>
>>>My professional reputation is very important to me. You have damaged it.
>>>This not only doubles the penalties mentioned above, but adds my
>defamation
>>>costs too.
>>>
>>>I'm not happy. This makes my friend Tom happy. Tom's a QC. You may have
>>>heard of him? Tom Shand? I went to Uni with his son.
>>>
>>>You have two choices:
>>>
>>>- remove all of your postings from Usenet, immediately upon reading this
>>>sentence. Then leave me and the IAS alone. If I receive ONE spam on my
>>>private email, you will not enjoy it.
>>>
>>>- expect a knock on the door from the sheriff tomorrow, and you'll be in
>>>court the next day. And in gaol the day after.
>>>
>>>Here's my hint: choose the first option.
>>>
>>>Steve.
>>>
>>>
--
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|
|
| | From: | Qolon | | Subject: | Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution: Household & the Kitchen Sink | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:26:12 GMT |
|
|
| Wally with regards to your statement, "As I said previously, members of the
public are welcome to attend public meetings. If you attend we can discuss
both your position, and I'm sure we will also have a lively debate about
your astrological claims." [Wally Anglesea]
As I have previously indicated, I make no astrological claims however my
"...activity relates to an archaelogical, philosophical and theological
interests and how they might relate to effecting an emendation of the
Letters Patent to the Australian Constitution of 1901. I am uncertain in the
circumstance where I am on the basis of an alternative chronological,
mathematical noumenon as space/time overlay which was sufficiently robust
enough to effect the inclusion of protection of autonomous and sovereign
rights as Section 116 of the Australian Constitution of 1901. And on the
validity of that premise, questioning the merit of astrological based
symbolic theological and philosophical systems that have since the
Pythagorean philosophical conception of an onomantic form of number, has not
only been the basis for architecting language systems, forms of governance
and religious systems, but historically responsible for untold human misery,
holocaust and loss of life."
Thus you are continuing to make unfounded characterisations.
Furthermore with respect to my draft email enquiry to Equiries and
Sectretary of the Illawarra Astronomical Society as to the process by which
I can direct a written complaint over conduct of members, Mr Stephen Russell
at 2047 hours on Monday, 17 January 2005 asserts: "You are very right to
point out Mr Anglesea's forthright attacks upon you.
Please be assured that your e-mail will receive all of the consideration it
deserves from our committee. However, no further correspondence will be
entered into until the facts of the situation are verified, as per clause
10.9.i of our constitution."
This would appear to be substantially correct in relation to the principles
of complaint as conveyed by Section 11 of the Associations Incorporation
Regulation 1999 No 484, namely:
"On receiving such a complaint, the committee:
(a) must cause notice of the complaint to be served on the member
concerned, and
(b) must give the member at least 14 days from the time the notice is
served within which to make submissions to the committee in connection with
the complaint, and
(c) must take into consideration any submissions made by the member in
connection with the complaint."
However as I previously indicated, I have no confidence that the matter was
in reality addressed by the Illawarra Astonomical Society's executive
committee as per my request to have the matter tabled at either of their 8
February or 8 March meetings for considerations. Mr. Stephen Russell
indicates that the matter was addressed within 24 hours of my enquiry: "The
IAS Executive Committee met last night. After perusing Mr Anglesea's Usenet
postings, we can see no evidence whatsoever that he has violated any clause
of the IAS constitution. At no time did he act as a representative of the
IAS. His postings were made as an individual Australian citizen. Any actions
that he makes as an individual are not a concern of the IAS.
After due consideration of all the facts, we have decided that your
complaint is frivolous.
If you don't like what Mr Anglesea says, hire a barrister and take him to
court. Do NOT make any attempt to drag the IAS into this." [Mr. Stephen
Russell by email on Tuesday, 18 January 2005 10:14 PM]
Do the rules of your Society allow the executive to form within 24 hours
notice and take action upon a draft and informal request for details of the
procedure as to how the Society might formally address the matter? Section
18 of the Associations Incorporation Act 1984 No 143 appears to place
restrictions by act or omission, directly or indirectly, knowingly concerned
in or party to a contravention by the association, namely:
"(1) Subject to this Act, an incorporated association shall not:
(a) exercise any power that the association is prohibited, by the rules of
the association, from exercising,
(b) exercise any power contrary to a restriction on the exercise of that
power contained in the rules of the association, or
(c) do any act otherwise than in pursuance of the objects of the
association.
(2) An officer of an incorporated association shall not be in any way, by
act or omission, directly or indirectly, knowingly concerned in or party to
a contravention by the association of subsection (1)".
I anticipate today making an application in writing to the NSW Registry of
Co-operatives & Associations PO Box 22 154 Russell Street Bathurst NSW 2795
in order to ascertain the precise details of the "Registration of rules and
alteration to rules of co-operatives" and whether the Illawarra Astronomical
Society operates by the model rules as defined by the governing Acts and
Regulations, or by a modified set of rules as this statement by Mr Stephen
Russell seem to imply: "per clause 10.9.i of our constitution".
Following the clarification of the Association's rules, a written formal
complaint will be directed to the Illawarra Astronomical Society situated at
PO Box 1814, Wollongong 2522 so that the matter may be appropriately tabled
at their General Meeting and a consideration made as to whether the
Executive Committee deems it necessary to investigate the conduct of its
members.
- dolf
"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
message news:rq2ru0tgovt94nfm051lh160srgt2in3e6@4ax.com...
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:09:30 GMT, "Qolon" wrote:
>There is an incorrect statement which I need to correct, namely:
>
>'*YOU* decided to expose the private email address of a 3rd party to
>usenet groups. Heretofore that email address has been spam free. Your
>inclusion of it as such even after being asked politely to refrain
>from doing so, is mischievous, and deliberate, and can be considered a
>breach of the AUP you agreed to, and if he now gets spam to that email
>address it can be directly attributed to your actions." [Wally Anglesea]
>
>"If you check very carefully, my email address does NOT appear in any
public
>forum. By publishing my address on a number of Usenet forums of which I am
>not a member, you have exposed my address to spam attacks. Worse, you have
>slandered me by associating my name with forums I have no interest in,
>whatsoever." [Steve Russell]
>
>Apart from publicly conveying my complaint to the public and published
>address Enquiries@ias.ozastro.org, I have at no stage subjected the email
>addresses of "Stephen Russell" <@prominence.net.au> or "Wally Anglesea"
><@bigpond.net.au> to public disclosure.
>
>However, I have no confidence that the matter was in reality addressed by
>the Illawarra Astonomical Society's executive committee as per my request
to
>have the matter tabled at either of their 8 February or 8 March meetings
for
>considerations--do the rules of your Society allow the executive to form
>within 24 hours notice and take action upon a draft and informal request
for
>details of the procedure as to how the Society might formally address the
>matter?
The comittee met, and your claim was effectively dealt with, as you
have been advised.
The meetings listed are general meetings, not executive comittee
meetings, which are held on different occasions as required.
As I said previously, members of the public are welcome to attend
public meetings. If you attend we can discuss both your position, and
I'm sure we will also have a lively debate about your astrological
claims.
>
>Doesn't such a formal complaint need to be in writing to PO Box 1814,
>Wollongong 2522?
You already lodged a complaint, and that was dealt with. Lodging
another would seem to be superfluous, and a waste of time, but I can't
stop you sending a letter, nor would I do so.
>
>- dolf
>-
>
>"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
>message news:u50ru05rimsonjajl08qso4m7q9v31mjfs@4ax.com...
>On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:26:11 GMT, "Qolon" wrote:
>
>>An incorrect assertion on your part. Your own www-page appears to be a
>>cacophony with no panache and finesse by which one would describe it as
>>acquainted with design.
>
>Whereas yours is a reflection of your obsession. My webpages serve
>their purpose, as no doubt yours do. Style and content is all up to
>the individual. That's the beauty of the Internet.
>
>>
>>As I conveyed previously, "I am uncertain as to why the Society ought to
be
>>aggrieved as you suggest, by the transparency of procedure. It is not
>>as though you don't have a public presence within this medium:
>>."
>
>And I neither included links to the society in my sig files in my
>replies to you, nor represented anything I said as a reflection of the
>societies views. Nothing in my postings *whatsoever* suggested I am a
>member of the IAS. You had to go looking.
>
>So, you decided to look to see who you could whine to.
>
> *YOU* decided to expose the private email address of a 3rd party to
>usenet groups. Heretofore that email address has been spam free. Your
>inclusion of it as such even after being asked politely to refrain
>from doing so, is mischievous, and deliberate, and can be considered a
>breach of the AUP you agreed to, and if he now gets spam to that email
>address it can be directly attributed to your actions.
>
>I won't complain, because I Bellevue in freedom of speech ('ill leave
>that to the individual concerned).
>
>Fascists, though seem to object to freedom of speech, I've noticed,
>and try to shut down opposing views.
>
>Sound familiar?
>
>
>
>>
>>Its my view, that you are now simply operating from primal incommensurate
>>dichotomies of desire as appetite as the impetus for engaging in further
>>justifications as bravado and pretense as obdurated obstinance and
>>self-infatuation--your opinion cannot therefore be defined as humble.
>>
>>Thank-you again for acknowledging the actions previously undertaken.
>>
>>- dolf
>>
>>"Wally AngleseaT" wrote in
>>message news:seuqu01n8gk2sf6vbd7156f57veuhksdej@4ax.com...
>>On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:04:57 GMT, "Qolon" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>A Jewish person is defined by their membership of a Jewish synagogue, a
>>>Christian by their membership of a Christian community, a Muslim by their
>>>membership of an Islamic community of religious faith. It seems
plausible
>>>that Mr Wally Angelsea may therefore be characterised by his membership
>>with
>>>the Illawarra Astronomical Society and that he makes comments as a
>conflict
>>>of interests.
>>
>>
>>ROFL You crawled over my website to find contacts in an attempt to
>>stir up trouble by finding contacts to whine to. Good job I keep my
>>customers off my personal site, isn't it?.
>>
>>And that ain't ad-hominem, it's a plain simple fact.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>As I indicated previously to him, I don't understand the impetus for Mr
>>>Wally Angelsea publicly engaging within his adverse characterisations of
>my
>>>archaelogical, philosophical and theological interests and how they might
>>>relate to effecting an emendation of the Letters Patent to the Australian
>>>Constitution of 1901.
>>>
>>>I am uncertain in the circumstance where I am on the basis of an
>>alternative
>>>chronological, mathematical noumenon as space/time overlay which was
>>>sufficiently robust enough to effect the inclusion of protection of
>>>autonomous and sovereign rights as Section 116 of the Australian
>>>Constitution of 1901. And on the validity of that premise, questioning
the
>>>merit of astrological based symbolic theological and philosophical
>>[systems]
>>>that have since the Pythagorean philosophical conception of an onomantic
>>>form of number, has not only been the basis for architecting language
>>>systems, forms of governance and religious systems, but historically
>>>responsible for untold human misery, holocaust and loss of life.
>>>
>>>I have conveyed to him that I am prepared to await the outcome of any
>>>considerations by the Illawarra Astronomical Society and other
substantial
>>>legal claims before undertaking any action over pursuing a claim for
>>damages
>>>as loss of reputation and future employment and life opportunites to be
>>made
>>>against Mr. Bowditch as President of the Australian Skeptics Society
whose
>>>www-page ratbags.com is the impetus for [his] own accusations.
>>>
>>>I would suggest that if his characterisations as unfounded impugnities
>>>result in 'loss of reputation and future employment and life
>opportunites',
>>>that I am quite entitled to seek reparations for the remaining natural
>term
>>>of my life, from him and the organisations which not only define his life
>>>circumstance, but whose status he enjoys as the basis for his bravado and
>>>pretense as obdurated obstinance and self-infatuation.
>>>
>>>Further action by Mr. Wally Angelsea will result in such a legal claim
>>being
>>>made against him, the Illawarra Astronomical Society, Mr Bowditch (with
>>whom
>>>Mr Wally Angelsea claims such an acquaintance with, as to be happy to be
a
>>>personal character witness for) and the Australian Skeptics Society of
>whom
>>>Mr Bowditch is President.
>>>
>>>I've made my intentions known and Mr Wally Angelsea's and the Illawarra
>>>Astronomical Society's further posts will be ignored, except in instances
>>>where it is requisite to provide refutation of 'ad hominem when it is not
>>>only without substance, unreasonable but unlawful' pursuant to Section 8
>of
>>>Victoria's (Australia) Racial and Religious Tolerance Act 2001 Act No.
>>>47/2001. He will no doubt continue to engage with the same
predictability.
>>>
>>>I have once again for sake of transparency of action, conveyed this
>>>information as our correspondence within the public sphere to newsgroups
>>>aus.religion.christian, aus.general, aus.politics,
>>>alt.politics.homouality, alt.religion.sabbath-keeper, aus.legal,
>>>soc.culture.australian where Wally Anglesea's infractions have taken
>place.
>>
>>
>>And I've included alt.usenet.kooks, because that's appropriate IMHO.
>>
>>>
>>>Your Respectfully
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dolf Boek
>>>Melbourne, Victoria
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Stephen Russell" <@prominence.net.au>
>>>To: "Dolf Boek" <@bigpond.net.au>
>>>Cc: "Wally Anglesea" <@bigpond.net.au>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:14 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution:
>Household
>>>& the Kitchen Sink
>>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:14 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [HTML/GIF] Republicans Ignore Truth of Constitution:
>Household
>>>& the Kitchen Sink
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Mr Boek,
>>>
>>>The IAS Executive Committee met last night. After perusing Mr Anglesea's
>>>Usenet postings, we can see no evidence whatsoever that he has violated
>any
>>>clause of the IAS constitution. At no time did he act as a representative
>>>of the IAS. His postings were made as an individual Australian citizen.
>Any
>>>actions that he makes as an individual are not a concern of the IAS.
>>>
>>>After due consideration of all the facts, we have decided that your
>>>complaint is frivolous.
>>>
>>>If you don't like what Mr Anglesea says, hire a barrister and take him to
>>>court. Do NOT make any attempt to drag the IAS into this.
>>>
>>>In the meantime, the IAS Executive has consulted its solicitor, and
>>>observes the following:
>>>
>>>- It's clear that your intention was to use Mr Anglesea's incidental
>>>connection with the IAS as a threatening and harassing action to
>intimidate
>>>him. As such, Mr Anglesea is entitled to pursue legal actions against
you.
>>>
>>>- You are also in breach of Telstra's Section 2.1(c) (c) of its
acceptable
>>>use policy. This is grounds to remove your Internet connection too.
>>>
>>>- We explicitly asked you to NOT post any further emails to Usenet. You
>>>did. You are now in violation of several clauses of the Federal privacy
>>>laws. Penalty: two years in gaol.
>>>
>>>- We asked you to NOT write to us again. You did. Your email is in
>>>violation of the federal anti-spam legislation. The fine for each
>violation
>>>is $50K. Your original e-mail was spam, too. That's $100K in fines.
>>>
>>>OK. So far, you are up for two years in gaol and $100k.
>>>
>>>And now for the personal part:
>>>
>>>If you check very carefully, my email address does NOT appear in any
>public
>>>forum. By publishing my address on a number of Usenet forums of which I
am
>>>not a member, you have exposed my address to spam attacks. Worse, you
have
>>>slandered me by associating my name with forums I have no interest in,
>>>whatsoever.
>>>
>>>My professional reputation is very important to me. You have damaged it.
>>>This not only doubles the penalties mentioned above, but adds my
>defamation
>>>costs too.
>>>
>>>I'm not happy. This makes my friend Tom happy. Tom's a QC. You may have
>>>heard of him? Tom Shand? I went to Uni with his son.
>>>
>>>You have two choices:
>>>
>>>- remove all of your postings from Usenet, immediately upon reading this
>>>sentence. Then leave me and the IAS alone. If I receive ONE spam on my
>>>private email, you will not enjoy it.
>>>
>>>- expect a knock on the door from the sheriff tomorrow, and you'll be in
>>>court the next day. And in gaol the day after.
>>>
>>>Here's my hint: choose the first option.
>>>
>>>Steve.
>>>
>>>
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