It is now 1.00 a.m. in Sydney and I have given it a whole hour just in case
daylight saving had some impact on the prediction.

Unfortunately for those Melburnians waiting patiently for Melbourne to
become Australia's best city to live in, I regret to inform you that Sydney
is still here so you lot might have to wait a bit longer.

From:	jg
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:43:24 GMT

"Moses Lim" wrote in message
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> It is now 1.00 a.m. in Sydney and I have given it a whole hour just in
case
> daylight saving had some impact on the prediction.
>
> Unfortunately for those Melburnians waiting patiently for Melbourne to
> become Australia's best city to live in, I regret to inform you that
Sydney
> is still here so you lot might have to wait a bit longer.

Geez, just the thought of the amount of destruction required across the
country to make Melbourne the best city to live in...

From:	PPPoE
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:13:19 +1100

"jg" wrote in message
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>
> "Moses Lim" wrote in message
> news:_EPGd.122071$K7.49940@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> It is now 1.00 a.m. in Sydney and I have given it a whole hour just in
> case
>> daylight saving had some impact on the prediction.
>>
>> Unfortunately for those Melburnians waiting patiently for Melbourne to
>> become Australia's best city to live in, I regret to inform you that
> Sydney
>> is still here so you lot might have to wait a bit longer.
>
> Geez, just the thought of the amount of destruction required across the
> country to make Melbourne the best city to live in...

Melbourne was voted the WORLDS most liveable city. I suspect you lot have
been listening to your own propaganda too much.

ps. I live in QLD!

--
PPPoE
+++ ath0

From:	jg
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:09:20 GMT

"PPPoE" wrote in message
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>
> "jg" wrote in message
> news:gaQGd.122098$K7.112577@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> > "Moses Lim" wrote in message
> > news:_EPGd.122071$K7.49940@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> It is now 1.00 a.m. in Sydney and I have given it a whole hour just in
> > case
> >> daylight saving had some impact on the prediction.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately for those Melburnians waiting patiently for Melbourne to
> >> become Australia's best city to live in, I regret to inform you that
> > Sydney
> >> is still here so you lot might have to wait a bit longer.
> >
> > Geez, just the thought of the amount of destruction required across the
> > country to make Melbourne the best city to live in...
>
>
> Melbourne was voted the WORLDS most liveable city. I suspect you lot have
> been listening to your own propaganda too much.
>
By who... Geelong?

From:	Ugly
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:05:45 +1100

>
> Melbourne was voted the WORLDS most liveable city.

by who? Melbourneites? I can't think of a worse place to live... Maybe
Hobart

From:	dicko
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:41:56 +1100

"Ugly" wrote in message
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>
>>
>> Melbourne was voted the WORLDS most liveable city.
>
> by who? Melbourneites? I can't think of a worse place to live... Maybe
> Hobart

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/04/world.cities/

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Melbourne and Vancouver are the best cities in the
world for expatriates to live in, according to a survey by the Economist
Intelligence Unit.
Both Australia and Canada fared well in the survey, with the west Australian
city of Perth ranking third, and Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide tying in
eighth place.

From:	Steve nunya
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:37:42 +1030

dicko wrote in message <41ef6ee1_1@news.iprimus.com.au>...
>
>"Ugly" wrote in message
>news:w6GHd.237$K36.2500@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>>
>>>
>>> Melbourne was voted the WORLDS most liveable city.
>>
>> by who? Melbourneites? I can't think of a worse place to live... Maybe
>> Hobart
>
>http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/04/world.cities/
>
>LONDON, England (CNN) -- Melbourne and Vancouver are the best cities in the
>world for expatriates to live in, according to a survey by the Economist
>Intelligence Unit.
>Both Australia and Canada fared well in the survey, with the west
Australian
>city of Perth ranking third, and Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide tying in
>eighth place.
>
>
So five in the top eight.
all state rivalry aside, thats a great effort.
No wonder we love this country.
esp when you consider Hobart, Darwin and Canberra are
more large country towns (which is not a bad thing) on the world stage.

From:	jg
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:47:02 GMT

"Ugly" wrote in message
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>
> >
> > Melbourne was voted the WORLDS most liveable city.
>
> by who? Melbourneites? I can't think of a worse place to live... Maybe
> Hobart
>
>
Hobart doesn't have the shitty traffic. Come on Melbourne defies comparison,
it's unfair to name any city in connection with it.

From:	Ugly
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:53:40 +1100

>> > Melbourne was voted the WORLDS most liveable city.
>>
>> by who? Melbourneites? I can't think of a worse place to live... Maybe
>> Hobart
>>
>>
> Hobart doesn't have the shitty traffic. Come on Melbourne defies
> comparison,
> it's unfair to name any city in connection with it.
>
Ok Ok, I live in Sydney and it is a shit hole, just like Melbourne. At
least it is mostly warm in Sydney and there are none of those god awful hook
turns!

From:	jg
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:55:52 GMT

"Ugly" wrote in message
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>
> >> > Melbourne was voted the WORLDS most liveable city.
> >>
> >> by who? Melbourneites? I can't think of a worse place to live...
Maybe
> >> Hobart
> >>
> >>
> > Hobart doesn't have the shitty traffic. Come on Melbourne defies
> > comparison,
> > it's unfair to name any city in connection with it.
> >
> Ok Ok, I live in Sydney and it is a shit hole, just like Melbourne. At
> least it is mostly warm in Sydney and there are none of those god awful
hook
> turns!
>
See, there ya go Sydney weather is infinitely better. You can sail, swim etc
in Sydney. What's a hook turn? - Sydney has some pretty tricky
roads/driveways.

From:	PPPoE
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:20:58 +1100

"jg" wrote in message
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>
> "Ugly" wrote in message
> news:FgZHd.41$e77.1472@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>>
>> >> > Melbourne was voted the WORLDS most liveable city.
>> >>
>> >> by who? Melbourneites? I can't think of a worse place to live...
> Maybe
>> >> Hobart
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Hobart doesn't have the shitty traffic. Come on Melbourne defies
>> > comparison,
>> > it's unfair to name any city in connection with it.
>> >
>> Ok Ok, I live in Sydney and it is a shit hole, just like Melbourne. At
>> least it is mostly warm in Sydney and there are none of those god awful
> hook
>> turns!
>>
> See, there ya go Sydney weather is infinitely better. You can sail, swim
> etc
> in Sydney. What's a hook turn? - Sydney has some pretty tricky
> roads/driveways.

Statistically Sydney gets more rain than Melbourne. Melbourne just gets
it's rain when you are not expecting it!

Hook turns are only in the centre of the city, on roads with trams. They
are safer than a normal right hand turn and avoid slowing down the Trams. I
don't understand why people have so much trouble with them. They are
covered in the drivers handbook for getting your licence!

Melbourne traffic is perfect now they have all the new freeways up and
running. I can get from one side of Melbourne to the other (50km distance)
in 20 minutes. Those who don't use the freeways are usually the people who
complain about the traffic!

--
PPPoE
+++ ath0

From:	jg
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:07:37 GMT

"PPPoE" wrote in message
news:35chedF4kn5jgU1@individual.net...
>
> "jg" wrote in message
> news:c3%Hd.126661$K7.20886@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> > "Ugly" wrote in message
> > news:FgZHd.41$e77.1472@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> >>
> >> >> > Melbourne was voted the WORLDS most liveable city.
> >> >>
> >> >> by who? Melbourneites? I can't think of a worse place to live...
> > Maybe
> >> >> Hobart
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > Hobart doesn't have the shitty traffic. Come on Melbourne defies
> >> > comparison,
> >> > it's unfair to name any city in connection with it.
> >> >
> >> Ok Ok, I live in Sydney and it is a shit hole, just like Melbourne. At
> >> least it is mostly warm in Sydney and there are none of those god awful
> > hook
> >> turns!
> >>
> > See, there ya go Sydney weather is infinitely better. You can sail, swim
> > etc
> > in Sydney. What's a hook turn? - Sydney has some pretty tricky
> > roads/driveways.
>
>
> Statistically Sydney gets more rain than Melbourne. Melbourne just gets
> it's rain when you are not expecting it!
>
> Hook turns are only in the centre of the city, on roads with trams. They
> are safer than a normal right hand turn and avoid slowing down the Trams.
I
> don't understand why people have so much trouble with them. They are
> covered in the drivers handbook for getting your licence!
>
> Melbourne traffic is perfect now they have all the new freeways up and
> running. I can get from one side of Melbourne to the other (50km
distance)
> in 20 minutes. Those who don't use the freeways are usually the people
who
> complain about the traffic!
>
....and ppl who live in places with less traffic. Ah I know those right hand
turns, they're not covered in the handbook when you get your license outside
Victoria and if you don't go into Melbourne much... my first experience was
as a visitor with a boat trailer, looking for Parkdale yacht club & never
been to Melbourne. We managed ok but it's hard to make yourself believe it
will go to plan. The sailing was in the worst conditions I have experienced
in 40 years racing and not being content I went back another year & it was
just as shitty. If you can't see the other side of Port Pillip bay it's
raining... if you can see it means it's going to rain.

From:	PPPoE
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:25:50 +1100

"jg" wrote in message
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>
> "PPPoE" wrote in message
> news:35chedF4kn5jgU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "jg" wrote in message
>> news:c3%Hd.126661$K7.20886@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >
>> > "Ugly" wrote in message
>> > news:FgZHd.41$e77.1472@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>> >>
>> >> >> > Melbourne was voted the WORLDS most liveable city.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> by who? Melbourneites? I can't think of a worse place to live...
>> > Maybe
>> >> >> Hobart
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > Hobart doesn't have the shitty traffic. Come on Melbourne defies
>> >> > comparison,
>> >> > it's unfair to name any city in connection with it.
>> >> >
>> >> Ok Ok, I live in Sydney and it is a shit hole, just like Melbourne.
>> >> At
>> >> least it is mostly warm in Sydney and there are none of those god
>> >> awful
>> > hook
>> >> turns!
>> >>
>> > See, there ya go Sydney weather is infinitely better. You can sail,
>> > swim
>> > etc
>> > in Sydney. What's a hook turn? - Sydney has some pretty tricky
>> > roads/driveways.
>>
>>
>> Statistically Sydney gets more rain than Melbourne. Melbourne just gets
>> it's rain when you are not expecting it!
>>
>> Hook turns are only in the centre of the city, on roads with trams. They
>> are safer than a normal right hand turn and avoid slowing down the Trams.
> I
>> don't understand why people have so much trouble with them. They are
>> covered in the drivers handbook for getting your licence!
>>
>> Melbourne traffic is perfect now they have all the new freeways up and
>> running. I can get from one side of Melbourne to the other (50km
> distance)
>> in 20 minutes. Those who don't use the freeways are usually the people
> who
>> complain about the traffic!
>>
> ...and ppl who live in places with less traffic. Ah I know those right
> hand
> turns, they're not covered in the handbook when you get your license
> outside
> Victoria and if you don't go into Melbourne much... my first experience
> was
> as a visitor with a boat trailer, looking for Parkdale yacht club & never
> been to Melbourne. We managed ok but it's hard to make yourself believe it
> will go to plan. The sailing was in the worst conditions I have
> experienced
> in 40 years racing and not being content I went back another year & it was
> just as shitty. If you can't see the other side of Port Pillip bay it's
> raining... if you can see it means it's going to rain.

You towed a boat through the middle of the city, are you crazy? I would not
do that through ANY capital city! There are "city bypass" signs everywhere
to help people go around the city. Especially trucks and trailers. Oh well,
you got there eventually. Glad you didn't get stuck under a bridge or
something. A good map always helps when driving through an unfamiliar city.

Port Phillip bay is known for fast changing weather. It can be glassy calm
for many days in a row, but when a cold front turns up it will change is
less than a hour. The bay is at the bottom of a large land mass with no
mountants for the weather to go over, so it rolls in very fast from bass
straight. If you have been caught out there in bad weather, it is a result
of not heading the warnings in the weather broadcast. If they say there
will be a cool change, they mean it will be bloody awful on the bays :)

--
PPPoE
+++ ath0

From:	jg
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:12:51 GMT

"PPPoE" wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> "jg" wrote in message
> news:ZWfId.128154$K7.85163@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
.....................
.. The sailing was in the worst conditions I have
> > experienced
> > in 40 years racing and not being content I went back another year & it
was
> > just as shitty. If you can't see the other side of Port Pillip bay it's
> > raining... if you can see it means it's going to rain.
>
>
> You towed a boat through the middle of the city, are you crazy? I would
not
> do that through ANY capital city! There are "city bypass" signs
everywhere
> to help people go around the city. Especially trucks and trailers. Oh
well,
> you got there eventually. Glad you didn't get stuck under a bridge or
> something. A good map always helps when driving through an unfamiliar
city.
>

Nah this was only 14 feet long & liftable by 2 ppl. and 25 years ago... to
Black Rock. Bypasses wouldn't go there would they?

> Port Phillip bay is known for fast changing weather. It can be glassy
calm
> for many days in a row, but when a cold front turns up it will change is
> less than a hour. The bay is at the bottom of a large land mass with no
> mountants for the weather to go over, so it rolls in very fast from bass
> straight. If you have been caught out there in bad weather, it is a
result
> of not heading the warnings in the weather broadcast. If they say there
> will be a cool change, they mean it will be bloody awful on the bays :)
>
>
This was a national championship with 100 boats just offshore, 7 heats on
different days run by experienced locals. I wouldn't have let boats out in
it either but if they have a sailing championship there they have to run it
some time eh? There has been at least one year when everyone at a title in
Melbourne had to go home because it was too long a wait for weather decent
enough to have more than 3 heats.

From:	PPPoE
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:03:15 +1100

"jg" wrote in message
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>
> "PPPoE" wrote in message
> news:35e2ubF4iqaapU1@individual.net...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "jg" wrote in message
>> news:ZWfId.128154$K7.85163@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >
> ....................
> . The sailing was in the worst conditions I have
>> > experienced
>> > in 40 years racing and not being content I went back another year & it
> was
>> > just as shitty. If you can't see the other side of Port Pillip bay it's
>> > raining... if you can see it means it's going to rain.
>>
>>
>> You towed a boat through the middle of the city, are you crazy? I would
> not
>> do that through ANY capital city! There are "city bypass" signs
> everywhere
>> to help people go around the city. Especially trucks and trailers. Oh
> well,
>> you got there eventually. Glad you didn't get stuck under a bridge or
>> something. A good map always helps when driving through an unfamiliar
> city.
>>
>
> Nah this was only 14 feet long & liftable by 2 ppl. and 25 years ago... to
> Black Rock. Bypasses wouldn't go there would they?

Yep! They had one back then. it's still there. Get you right around the
outside of the city quickly with no trams or hook turns. Big green signs
with bright green edges saying city bypass. :)

>> Port Phillip bay is known for fast changing weather. It can be glassy
> calm
>> for many days in a row, but when a cold front turns up it will change is
>> less than a hour. The bay is at the bottom of a large land mass with no
>> mountants for the weather to go over, so it rolls in very fast from bass
>> straight. If you have been caught out there in bad weather, it is a
> result
>> of not heading the warnings in the weather broadcast. If they say there
>> will be a cool change, they mean it will be bloody awful on the bays :)
>>
>>
> This was a national championship with 100 boats just offshore, 7 heats on
> different days run by experienced locals. I wouldn't have let boats out in
> it either but if they have a sailing championship there they have to run
> it
> some time eh? There has been at least one year when everyone at a title in
> Melbourne had to go home because it was too long a wait for weather decent
> enough to have more than 3 heats.

Well I cant complain. yesterday was in the 20's, so is today. It will be
in the high 30's from now until Thursday next week, then a big storm for
sure! I'd suggest the organisers need to pick late summer events instead of
winter. Of course they may choose winter on purpose for the extra challenge
:)

--
PPPoE
+++ ath0

From:	jg
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:56:22 GMT

"PPPoE" wrote in message
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>
>
> "jg" wrote in message
> news:T1nId.128927$K7.44226@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
...........
> > Nah this was only 14 feet long & liftable by 2 ppl. and 25 years ago...
to
> > Black Rock. Bypasses wouldn't go there would they?
>
> Yep! They had one back then. it's still there. Get you right around the
> outside of the city quickly with no trams or hook turns. Big green signs
> with bright green edges saying city bypass. :)
>
>
Next time I'll look for a bypass that says Sydney.

...........
> > This was a national championship with 100 boats just offshore, 7 heats
on
> > different days run by experienced locals. I wouldn't have let boats out
in
> > it either but if they have a sailing championship there they have to run
> > it
> > some time eh? There has been at least one year when everyone at a title
in
> > Melbourne had to go home because it was too long a wait for weather
decent
> > enough to have more than 3 heats.
>
> Well I cant complain. yesterday was in the 20's, so is today. It will be
> in the high 30's from now until Thursday next week, then a big storm for
> sure! I'd suggest the organisers need to pick late summer events instead
of
> winter. Of course they may choose winter on purpose for the extra
challenge
> :)
>
This was in January, middle of the season everywhere except Darwin which has
to dodge the stingers. They can do what they like from now on... I'll never
bother to go again.

From:	PPPoE
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:33:11 +1100

"jg" wrote in message
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>
> "PPPoE" wrote in message
> news:35glvsF4kg8ktU1@individual.net...
>>
>>
>> "jg" wrote in message
>> news:T1nId.128927$K7.44226@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >
> ..........
>> > Nah this was only 14 feet long & liftable by 2 ppl. and 25 years ago...
> to
>> > Black Rock. Bypasses wouldn't go there would they?
>>
>> Yep! They had one back then. it's still there. Get you right around
>> the
>> outside of the city quickly with no trams or hook turns. Big green signs
>> with bright green edges saying city bypass. :)
>>
>>
> Next time I'll look for a bypass that says Sydney.

We have one of those too. It is called Sydney Road. You probably call it
the Hume Hwy at your end. :)

>> > This was a national championship with 100 boats just offshore, 7 heats
> on
>> > different days run by experienced locals. I wouldn't have let boats out
> in
>> > it either but if they have a sailing championship there they have to
>> > run
>> > it
>> > some time eh? There has been at least one year when everyone at a title
> in
>> > Melbourne had to go home because it was too long a wait for weather
> decent
>> > enough to have more than 3 heats.
>>
>> Well I cant complain. yesterday was in the 20's, so is today. It will
>> be
>> in the high 30's from now until Thursday next week, then a big storm for
>> sure! I'd suggest the organisers need to pick late summer events instead
> of
>> winter. Of course they may choose winter on purpose for the extra
> challenge
>> :)
>>
> This was in January, middle of the season everywhere except Darwin which
> has
> to dodge the stingers. They can do what they like from now on... I'll
> never
> bother to go again.

Late Jan is hot. Dec and early Jan are often rainy. Spring seems to drag
on an extra month in Melbourne, but that is OK because we have extra summer
too. We often get summer temperatures right up to Easter.

Honestly I think you just got caught out in an unfamiliar city. You would
have expected differences if you were visiting another country, but you were
now prepared/expecting them in your own country.

--
PPPoE
+++ ath0

From:	Moses Lim
Subject:	Re: Prediction of Tsunami in Sydney
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:44:37 GMT

PPPoE wrote:

>
> "jg" wrote in message
> news:gaQGd.122098$K7.112577@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Moses Lim" wrote in message
>> news:_EPGd.122071$K7.49940@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> It is now 1.00 a.m. in Sydney and I have given it a whole hour just in
>> case
>>> daylight saving had some impact on the prediction.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately for those Melburnians waiting patiently for Melbourne to
>>> become Australia's best city to live in, I regret to inform you that
>> Sydney
>>> is still here so you lot might have to wait a bit longer.
>>
>> Geez, just the thought of the amount of destruction required across the
>> country to make Melbourne the best city to live in...
>
>
> Melbourne was voted the WORLDS most liveable city. I suspect you lot have
> been listening to your own propaganda too much.
>
> ps. I live in QLD!
>

Bloody banana bender!! Whatcha expect from a cane toad?? Just becos youse
lot got a bit more sunshine than us suffering souls sth of the border youse
think you got it made. Curses on you!!

On another note, getting any rain up there? We're still dry as the
proverbial nun's here.