Hi,
I'm hoping someone may have an elegant solution to this problem. My laptop
computer gets used in a number of work environments and at home, where I
connect to either wired or wireless networks. In addition I also sometimes
use it with a CDMA data card. Connecting to the various networks is no
problem, however since there are about 5 different ISP's used, whenever I
want to send an email, I have to reconfigure my email software to the
appropriate ISP's outgoing mail server. If I forget, the email is routed
back to me as undeliverable because relaying is denied by the various email
servers.
I experimented by running in Linux and using sendmail to directly handle
email enquiries, but then I had my mail routed back to me because the IP
address was blacklisted as a dynamic address. Linux was only a temporary
attempted solution anyway, as I need to be able to run in Windows for most
things.
To further complicate matters, I have a couple of applications that send
emails themselves, so they need to have their outgoing mail server altered
also.
I can think of a few solutions, but I don't know if the appropriate software
or services are available for these solutions. The things I have thought of
are as follows:
1. If somewhere on the net there is a reliable email server that allows
relaying, but uses authentication so that it isn't blacklisted as a spam
source. Preferably free, but would be prepared to pay a small fee for this.
Then I could just set this as my outgoing server and forget about it.
2. Software that runs on my computer that will either auto-detect which
network I'm on, or pop up to ask me which network. This software would act
as an SMTP forwarder, so I would set localhost as the outgoing mail server
in my email apps, then this software would automatically forward the email
to the appropriate ISP's server, based on the network that I am on.
Anyone know of any solutions to this problem? surely I'm not the only one
who uses my laptop at multiple locations and hence has to use different mail
servers.

From:	Richard Rudek
Subject:	Re: Dynamically Changing Outgoing Email Server
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:27:00 +1100

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:38:51 +1000, "Graham Fountain"
wrote:

>Hi,
>I'm hoping someone may have an elegant solution to this problem. My laptop
>computer gets used in a number of work environments and at home, where I
>connect to either wired or wireless networks. In addition I also sometimes
>use it with a CDMA data card. Connecting to the various networks is no
>problem, however since there are about 5 different ISP's used, whenever I
>want to send an email, I have to reconfigure my email software to the
>appropriate ISP's outgoing mail server. If I forget, the email is routed
>back to me as undeliverable because relaying is denied by the various email
>servers.

[snip]

>2. Software that runs on my computer that will either auto-detect which
>network I'm on, or pop up to ask me which network. This software would act
>as an SMTP forwarder, so I would set localhost as the outgoing mail server
>in my email apps, then this software would automatically forward the email
>to the appropriate ISP's server, based on the network that I am on.
>Anyone know of any solutions to this problem? surely I'm not the only one
>who uses my laptop at multiple locations and hence has to use different mail
>servers.
>

I'll throw this in as an un-backed suggestion, as, I don't really have
time to help you. But you could try setting up your *outgoing* email
server to use a "local domain" name, and then write a script to change a
HOSTS file entry for that "local domain", as you switch, or log onto
different ISP's/Networks. That way, you are dynamically changing the
outgoing mail server to the appropriate one - which hopefully isn't
using a dynamic IP or black listed ... :)

A downside that I can forsee with this simple setup, is that you will
likely need to have the same mail account userid and passwords, on each
of the mail servers.

Another might be related to firewall or security features running on
your system, that prevent modification of the HOSTS file.

There might also be a way to do this with the email client, if it
supports scripting. Preferably not using dodgy "local domain" entries
with the HOSTS file.

______________________________________________________
Richard Rudek. MicroDek, Chatswood, Sydney, Australia.
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From:	Martin Taylor
Subject:	Re: Dynamically Changing Outgoing Email Server
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:43:59 +1000

Graham said....

> Hi,
> I'm hoping someone may have an elegant solution to this problem. My
> laptop computer gets used in a number of work environments and at home,
> where I connect to either wired or wireless networks. In addition I also
> sometimes use it with a CDMA data card. Connecting to the various
> networks is no problem, however since there are about 5 different ISP's
> used, whenever I want to send an email, I have to reconfigure my email
> software to the appropriate ISP's outgoing mail server. If I forget,
> the email is routed back to me as undeliverable because relaying is
> denied by the various email servers.

I am an Austarnet customer. I have a casual account with it. It costs $5
an hour billed to credit card. However, my main ISP is Netspace ADSL.
Because Austarnet is routed through Comindico, its customers need to set
their email SMTP config to "allow authentication". This allows them to
post from any ISP.

I was an Austarnet dialup customer until ADSL became available. When I
shifted to Netspace, I kept the use of the austarnet address because its
service is far superior to that of Netspace's.

You don't need to log in in order to maintain the account. So, for me,
it effectively has become a free email service, and an excellent one at
that. It has a great anti-spam and anti-virus service, and it all can be
configured via its webmail service.

It's something to consider. Yahoo.com.au and gmail.com email addresses
allow remote access using a standard email client as well. (that's what
I do with this address that I use here in Usenet). But access is slow.

From:	Geoffw
Subject:	Re: Dynamically Changing Outgoing Email Server
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:09:10 +1100

postcast server free edition

www.postcastserver.com

"Graham Fountain" wrote in message
news:hFrHd.181$g05.6546@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> Hi,
> I'm hoping someone may have an elegant solution to this
problem. My laptop
> computer gets used in a number of work environments and at
home, where I
> connect to either wired or wireless networks. In addition
I also sometimes
> use it with a CDMA data card. Connecting to the various
networks is no
> problem, however since there are about 5 different ISP's
used, whenever I
> want to send an email, I have to reconfigure my email
software to the
> appropriate ISP's outgoing mail server. If I forget, the
email is routed
> back to me as undeliverable because relaying is denied by
the various email
> servers.
> I experimented by running in Linux and using sendmail to
directly handle
> email enquiries, but then I had my mail routed back to me
because the IP
> address was blacklisted as a dynamic address. Linux was
only a temporary
> attempted solution anyway, as I need to be able to run in
Windows for most
> things.
> To further complicate matters, I have a couple of
applications that send
> emails themselves, so they need to have their outgoing
mail server altered
> also.
> I can think of a few solutions, but I don't know if the
appropriate software
> or services are available for these solutions. The things
I have thought of
> are as follows:
> 1. If somewhere on the net there is a reliable email
server that allows
> relaying, but uses authentication so that it isn't
blacklisted as a spam
> source. Preferably free, but would be prepared to pay a
small fee for this.
> Then I could just set this as my outgoing server and
forget about it.
> 2. Software that runs on my computer that will either
auto-detect which
> network I'm on, or pop up to ask me which network. This
software would act
> as an SMTP forwarder, so I would set localhost as the
outgoing mail server
> in my email apps, then this software would automatically
forward the email
> to the appropriate ISP's server, based on the network that
I am on.
> Anyone know of any solutions to this problem? surely I'm
not the only one
> who uses my laptop at multiple locations and hence has to
use different mail
> servers.
>
>

From:	Graham Fountain
Subject:	Re: Dynamically Changing Outgoing Email Server
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:05:29 +1000

"Geoffw" wrote in message
news:3570mbF4hlav1U1@individual.net...
> postcast server free edition
>
> www.postcastserver.com
I should add however, in addition to my other post in reply to this, that if
other mail servers didn't block mail coming from dynamic IP's, and if
Telstra did route port 25 traffic, then postcastserver would most likely
work like a treat, so thankyou for the suggestion :-)
I might actually look into writing something myself. Thinking about it, all
it needs to do is sit resident and listen on port 25 for incoming
connections from localhost. it will have a list of known email servers,
which i could just click over when i change networks. Whenever the software
encounters a connection on port 25, it opens a connectin to the currently
active outgoing server, and relays the information verbatim to it.
I'll post here if and when I get something working. In the meantime I'll
keep searching for pre-built solutions.
Thanks for those who bothered to answer :-)
>
>
>
>
> "Graham Fountain" wrote in message
> news:hFrHd.181$g05.6546@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>> Hi,
>> I'm hoping someone may have an elegant solution to this
> problem. My laptop
>> computer gets used in a number of work environments and at
> home, where I
>> connect to either wired or wireless networks. In addition
> I also sometimes
>> use it with a CDMA data card. Connecting to the various
> networks is no
>> problem, however since there are about 5 different ISP's
> used, whenever I
>> want to send an email, I have to reconfigure my email
> software to the
>> appropriate ISP's outgoing mail server. If I forget, the
> email is routed
>> back to me as undeliverable because relaying is denied by
> the various email
>> servers.
>> I experimented by running in Linux and using sendmail to
> directly handle
>> email enquiries, but then I had my mail routed back to me
> because the IP
>> address was blacklisted as a dynamic address. Linux was
> only a temporary
>> attempted solution anyway, as I need to be able to run in
> Windows for most
>> things.
>> To further complicate matters, I have a couple of
> applications that send
>> emails themselves, so they need to have their outgoing
> mail server altered
>> also.
>> I can think of a few solutions, but I don't know if the
> appropriate software
>> or services are available for these solutions. The things
> I have thought of
>> are as follows:
>> 1. If somewhere on the net there is a reliable email
> server that allows
>> relaying, but uses authentication so that it isn't
> blacklisted as a spam
>> source. Preferably free, but would be prepared to pay a
> small fee for this.
>> Then I could just set this as my outgoing server and
> forget about it.
>> 2. Software that runs on my computer that will either
> auto-detect which
>> network I'm on, or pop up to ask me which network. This
> software would act
>> as an SMTP forwarder, so I would set localhost as the
> outgoing mail server
>> in my email apps, then this software would automatically
> forward the email
>> to the appropriate ISP's server, based on the network that
> I am on.
>> Anyone know of any solutions to this problem? surely I'm
> not the only one
>> who uses my laptop at multiple locations and hence has to
> use different mail
>> servers.
>>
>>
>
>

From:	Gregory Toomey
Subject:	Re: Dynamically Changing Outgoing Email Server
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:02:58 +1000

Geoffw wrote:

> postcast server free edition
>
> www.postcastserver.com
>
Does it do imcoming mail?
Does it need a domain for incoming mail?
What happens with incoming mail when you PC is switched off?

gtoomey

From:	Graham Fountain
Subject:	Re: Dynamically Changing Outgoing Email Server
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:52:36 +1000

"Geoffw" wrote in message
news:3570mbF4hlav1U1@individual.net...
> postcast server free edition
>
> www.postcastserver.com
>
This appears to do pretty much the same as when I was experimenting with
Sendmail on Linux, so that the email application is configured to use
localhost as the SMTP server, then Postcast will then resend the email in
the same manner that proper email server software does. This did half work.
However a lot of destination email servers use block lists to minimise spam,
and block email coming from IP's that are known dial-up addresses. The
solution is to use the ISP's email server, so I need some way to quickly and
easily dynamically change the outgoing mail server.
I have also found out that bigpond also block port 25 traffic from being
routed through them, unless it goes via their mail server, so using another
mail server on the web, or using something like postcast/sendmail will be no
good when I have to use a bigpond service.
>
>
>
> "Graham Fountain" wrote in message
> news:hFrHd.181$g05.6546@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>> Hi,
>> I'm hoping someone may have an elegant solution to this
> problem. My laptop
>> computer gets used in a number of work environments and at
> home, where I
>> connect to either wired or wireless networks. In addition
> I also sometimes
>> use it with a CDMA data card. Connecting to the various
> networks is no
>> problem, however since there are about 5 different ISP's
> used, whenever I
>> want to send an email, I have to reconfigure my email
> software to the
>> appropriate ISP's outgoing mail server. If I forget, the
> email is routed
>> back to me as undeliverable because relaying is denied by
> the various email
>> servers.
>> I experimented by running in Linux and using sendmail to
> directly handle
>> email enquiries, but then I had my mail routed back to me
> because the IP
>> address was blacklisted as a dynamic address. Linux was
> only a temporary
>> attempted solution anyway, as I need to be able to run in
> Windows for most
>> things.
>> To further complicate matters, I have a couple of
> applications that send
>> emails themselves, so they need to have their outgoing
> mail server altered
>> also.
>> I can think of a few solutions, but I don't know if the
> appropriate software
>> or services are available for these solutions. The things
> I have thought of
>> are as follows:
>> 1. If somewhere on the net there is a reliable email
> server that allows
>> relaying, but uses authentication so that it isn't
> blacklisted as a spam
>> source. Preferably free, but would be prepared to pay a
> small fee for this.
>> Then I could just set this as my outgoing server and
> forget about it.
>> 2. Software that runs on my computer that will either
> auto-detect which
>> network I'm on, or pop up to ask me which network. This
> software would act
>> as an SMTP forwarder, so I would set localhost as the
> outgoing mail server
>> in my email apps, then this software would automatically
> forward the email
>> to the appropriate ISP's server, based on the network that
> I am on.
>> Anyone know of any solutions to this problem? surely I'm
> not the only one
>> who uses my laptop at multiple locations and hence has to
> use different mail
>> servers.
>>
>>
>
>

From:	Gregory Toomey
Subject:	Re: Dynamically Changing Outgoing Email Server
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:52:54 +1000

Graham Fountain wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm hoping someone may have an elegant solution to this problem. My
> laptop computer gets used in a number of work environments and at home,
> where I connect to either wired or wireless networks. In addition I also
> sometimes use it with a CDMA data card. Connecting to the various networks
> is no problem, however since there are about 5 different ISP's used,
> whenever I want to send an email, I have to reconfigure my email software
> to the
> appropriate ISP's outgoing mail server. If I forget, the email is routed
> back to me as undeliverable because relaying is denied by the various
> email servers.
> I experimented by running in Linux and using sendmail to directly handle
> email enquiries, but then I had my mail routed back to me because the IP
> address was blacklisted as a dynamic address. Linux was only a temporary
> attempted solution anyway, as I need to be able to run in Windows for most
> things.
> To further complicate matters, I have a couple of applications that send
> emails themselves, so they need to have their outgoing mail server altered
> also.
> I can think of a few solutions, but I don't know if the appropriate
> software or services are available for these solutions. The things I have
> thought of are as follows:
> 1. If somewhere on the net there is a reliable email server that allows
> relaying, but uses authentication so that it isn't blacklisted as a spam
> source. Preferably free, but would be prepared to pay a small fee for
> this. Then I could just set this as my outgoing server and forget about
> it. 2. Software that runs on my computer that will either auto-detect
> which network I'm on, or pop up to ask me which network. This software
> would act as an SMTP forwarder, so I would set localhost as the outgoing
> mail server in my email apps, then this software would automatically
> forward the email to the appropriate ISP's server, based on the network
> that I am on. Anyone know of any solutions to this problem? surely I'm not
> the only one who uses my laptop at multiple locations and hence has to use
> different mail servers.

The main issue is that if you use ISP X, and configure your email client for
ISP Y, then you will probably get this relaying error.

I can think of some simple solutions, which rely on you getting a new email
address hosted by an INDEPENDENT ISP eg

1. get a yahoo.com.au email address (free)

2. use a commercial provider like http://pobox.com/

3. register your own domain (say grahamfountain.com $5/year), then use a
cheap hosting service like http://affordablehost.com/cpanel.shtml
(US36/year) but just for email. With Cpanel you can control the
authentication.
I've used bigpond dialup/dodo dialup/dodo broadband with windows & linux
this method & its fine.

gtoomey

From:	Tina - AffordableHOST, Inc.
Subject:	Re: Dynamically Changing Outgoing Email Server
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:21:32 -0500

"Gregory Toomey" wrote in message
news:35771vF4ihganU1@individual.net...
> Graham Fountain wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I'm hoping someone may have an elegant solution to this problem. My
>> laptop computer gets used in a number of work environments and at home,
>> where I connect to either wired or wireless networks. In addition I also
>> sometimes use it with a CDMA data card. Connecting to the various
>> networks
>> is no problem, however since there are about 5 different ISP's used,
>> whenever I want to send an email, I have to reconfigure my email software
>> to the
>> appropriate ISP's outgoing mail server. If I forget, the email is routed
>> back to me as undeliverable because relaying is denied by the various
>> email servers.
>> I experimented by running in Linux and using sendmail to directly handle
>> email enquiries, but then I had my mail routed back to me because the IP
>> address was blacklisted as a dynamic address. Linux was only a temporary
>> attempted solution anyway, as I need to be able to run in Windows for
>> most
>> things.
>> To further complicate matters, I have a couple of applications that send
>> emails themselves, so they need to have their outgoing mail server
>> altered
>> also.
>> I can think of a few solutions, but I don't know if the appropriate
>> software or services are available for these solutions. The things I have
>> thought of are as follows:
>> 1. If somewhere on the net there is a reliable email server that allows
>> relaying, but uses authentication so that it isn't blacklisted as a spam
>> source. Preferably free, but would be prepared to pay a small fee for
>> this. Then I could just set this as my outgoing server and forget about
>> it. 2. Software that runs on my computer that will either auto-detect
>> which network I'm on, or pop up to ask me which network. This software
>> would act as an SMTP forwarder, so I would set localhost as the outgoing
>> mail server in my email apps, then this software would automatically
>> forward the email to the appropriate ISP's server, based on the network
>> that I am on. Anyone know of any solutions to this problem? surely I'm
>> not
>> the only one who uses my laptop at multiple locations and hence has to
>> use
>> different mail servers.
>
> The main issue is that if you use ISP X, and configure your email client
> for
> ISP Y, then you will probably get this relaying error.
>
> I can think of some simple solutions, which rely on you getting a new
> email
> address hosted by an INDEPENDENT ISP eg
>
> 1. get a yahoo.com.au email address (free)
>
> 2. use a commercial provider like http://pobox.com/
>
> 3. register your own domain (say grahamfountain.com $5/year), then use a
> cheap hosting service like http://affordablehost.com/cpanel.shtml
> (US36/year) but just for email. With Cpanel you can control the
> authentication.

I'd like to add that we also open up an alternative to Port 25, so that if
our customers' ISP blocks that port, they will still be able to use their
domain and hosting account from us for outgoing email. Even if you don't
choose us, you should be able to ask your host to open up an alternate port
for you.

--Tina
--
http://www.AffordableHOST.com - Multi-Domain & Reseller Cpanel Hosting
++ 20% Discount Coupon Code ++: newsgroup
Serving the web since 1997

From:	Graham Fountain
Subject:	Re: Dynamically Changing Outgoing Email Server
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:00:13 +1000

"Gregory Toomey" wrote in message
news:35771vF4ihganU1@individual.net...
> Graham Fountain wrote:

> The main issue is that if you use ISP X, and configure your email client
> for
> ISP Y, then you will probably get this relaying error.
yep, that's exactly what the problem is.
>
> I can think of some simple solutions, which rely on you getting a new
> email
> address hosted by an INDEPENDENT ISP eg
That was one of the solutions I considered too. I have since found out
though that telstra block port 25 traffic from being routed on their network
unless going via their mail server as a method of reducing spam. as a result
an independent server would need to use a different TCP port.
>
> 1. get a yahoo.com.au email address (free)
yep- i'm aware of yahoo/hotmail et al. yahoo can't be used via outlook/oe,
hotmail can be. Neither can be used via the proprietary software I also need
to use.
>
> 2. use a commercial provider like http://pobox.com/
I looked at their site - it appears to only handle incoming mail, not
outgoing mail. Incoming mail isn't a problem, I can use POP from any network
to retrieve my incoming mail.
>
> 3. register your own domain (say grahamfountain.com $5/year), then use a
> cheap hosting service like http://affordablehost.com/cpanel.shtml
> (US36/year) but just for email. With Cpanel you can control the
> authentication.
Again I can't see anything for outgoing mail, only incoming mail. Unless it
is hidden away somewhere in their website.

> I've used bigpond dialup/dodo dialup/dodo broadband with windows & linux
> this method & its fine.
What do you set as your outgoing mail server?
>
> gtoomey

From:	Rod Speed
Subject:	Re: Dynamically Changing Outgoing Email Server
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:02:00 +1100

"Graham Fountain" wrote in message
news:srKHd.333$K36.4655@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>
> "Gregory Toomey" wrote in message
> news:35771vF4ihganU1@individual.net...
>> Graham Fountain wrote:
>
>> The main issue is that if you use ISP X, and configure your email client for
>> ISP Y, then you will probably get this relaying error.
> yep, that's exactly what the problem is.
>>
>> I can think of some simple solutions, which rely on you getting a new email
>> address hosted by an INDEPENDENT ISP eg
> That was one of the solutions I considered too. I have since found out though
> that telstra block port 25 traffic from being routed on their network unless
> going via their mail server as a method of reducing spam. as a result an
> independent server would need to use a different TCP port.
>>
>> 1. get a yahoo.com.au email address (free)

> yep- i'm aware of yahoo/hotmail et al. yahoo can't be used via outlook/oe,

Yes it can with yahoo.com.au

> hotmail can be. Neither can be used via the proprietary software I also need
> to use.

>> 2. use a commercial provider like http://pobox.com/

> I looked at their site - it appears to only handle incoming mail, not outgoing
> mail. Incoming mail isn't a problem, I can use POP from any network to
> retrieve my incoming mail.

>> 3. register your own domain (say grahamfountain.com $5/year), then use a
>> cheap hosting service like http://affordablehost.com/cpanel.shtml
>> (US36/year) but just for email. With Cpanel you can control the
>> authentication.

> Again I can't see anything for outgoing mail, only incoming mail. Unless it is
> hidden away somewhere in their website.

>> I've used bigpond dialup/dodo dialup/dodo broadband with windows & linux
>> this method & its fine.

> What do you set as your outgoing mail server?

From:	E.
Subject:	Re: Dynamically Changing Outgoing Email Server
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:54:35 +1100

Rod Speed wrote:
> "Graham Fountain" wrote in message
> news:srKHd.333$K36.4655@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>
>>"Gregory Toomey" wrote in message
>>news:35771vF4ihganU1@individual.net...
>>
>>>Graham Fountain wrote:
>>
>>>The main issue is that if you use ISP X, and configure your email client for
>>>ISP Y, then you will probably get this relaying error.
>>
>>yep, that's exactly what the problem is.
>>
>>>I can think of some simple solutions, which rely on you getting a new email
>>>address hosted by an INDEPENDENT ISP eg
>>
>>That was one of the solutions I considered too. I have since found out though
>>that telstra block port 25 traffic from being routed on their network unless
>>going via their mail server as a method of reducing spam. as a result an
>>independent server would need to use a different TCP port.
>>
>>>1. get a yahoo.com.au email address (free)
>
>
>>yep- i'm aware of yahoo/hotmail et al. yahoo can't be used via outlook/oe,
>
>
> Yes it can with yahoo.com.au

Yahoo email address can be used with OE/Outbreak/Any mail client with
yahoopops - search for it on sourceforge.net
E.

From:	Rod Speed
Subject:	Re: Dynamically Changing Outgoing Email Server
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:08:24 +1100

"E." wrote in message
news:35b56jF4kq79pU1@individual.net...
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> "Graham Fountain" wrote in message
>> news:srKHd.333$K36.4655@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>>
>>>"Gregory Toomey" wrote in message
>>>news:35771vF4ihganU1@individual.net...
>>>
>>>>Graham Fountain wrote:
>>>
>>>>The main issue is that if you use ISP X, and configure your email client for
>>>>ISP Y, then you will probably get this relaying error.
>>>
>>>yep, that's exactly what the problem is.
>>>
>>>>I can think of some simple solutions, which rely on you getting a new email
>>>>address hosted by an INDEPENDENT ISP eg
>>>
>>>That was one of the solutions I considered too. I have since found out though
>>>that telstra block port 25 traffic from being routed on their network unless
>>>going via their mail server as a method of reducing spam. as a result an
>>>independent server would need to use a different TCP port.
>>>
>>>>1. get a yahoo.com.au email address (free)
>>
>>
>>>yep- i'm aware of yahoo/hotmail et al. yahoo can't be used via outlook/oe,
>>
>>
>> Yes it can with yahoo.com.au
>
> Yahoo email address can be used with OE/Outbreak/Any mail client with
> yahoopops - search for it on sourceforge.net

What's the point when yahoo.com.au supports POP3/SMTP ?

From:	E.
Subject:	Re: Dynamically Changing Outgoing Email Server
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:26:47 +1100

Rod Speed wrote:
> "E." wrote in message
> news:35b56jF4kq79pU1@individual.net...
>
>>Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>>"Graham Fountain" wrote in message
>>>news:srKHd.333$K36.4655@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Gregory Toomey" wrote in message
>>>>news:35771vF4ihganU1@individual.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Graham Fountain wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The main issue is that if you use ISP X, and configure your email client for
>>>>>ISP Y, then you will probably get this relaying error.
>>>>
>>>>yep, that's exactly what the problem is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I can think of some simple solutions, which rely on you getting a new email
>>>>>address hosted by an INDEPENDENT ISP eg
>>>>
>>>>That was one of the solutions I considered too. I have since found out though
>>>>that telstra block port 25 traffic from being routed on their network unless
>>>>going via their mail server as a method of reducing spam. as a result an
>>>>independent server would need to use a different TCP port.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>1. get a yahoo.com.au email address (free)
>>>
>>>
>>>>yep- i'm aware of yahoo/hotmail et al. yahoo can't be used via outlook/oe,
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes it can with yahoo.com.au
>>
>>Yahoo email address can be used with OE/Outbreak/Any mail client with
>>yahoopops - search for it on sourceforge.net
>
>
> What's the point when yahoo.com.au supports POP3/SMTP ?
>
Is it free or subscription?
E.

From:	Rod Speed
Subject:	Re: Dynamically Changing Outgoing Email Server
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:32:39 +1100

"E." wrote in message
news:35bl4sF4k12qeU1@individual.net...
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> "E." wrote in message
>> news:35b56jF4kq79pU1@individual.net...
>>
>>>Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Graham Fountain" wrote in message
>>>>news:srKHd.333$K36.4655@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Gregory Toomey" wrote in message
>>>>>news:35771vF4ihganU1@individual.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Graham Fountain wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>The main issue is that if you use ISP X, and configure your email client
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>ISP Y, then you will probably get this relaying error.
>>>>>
>>>>>yep, that's exactly what the problem is.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I can think of some simple solutions, which rely on you getting a new
>>>>>>email
>>>>>>address hosted by an INDEPENDENT ISP eg
>>>>>
>>>>>That was one of the solutions I considered too. I have since found out
>>>>>though that telstra block port 25 traffic from being routed on their
>>>>>network unless going via their mail server as a method of reducing spam. as
>>>>>a result an independent server would need to use a different TCP port.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>1. get a yahoo.com.au email address (free)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>yep- i'm aware of yahoo/hotmail et al. yahoo can't be used via outlook/oe,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes it can with yahoo.com.au
>>>
>>>Yahoo email address can be used with OE/Outbreak/Any mail client with
>>>yahoopops - search for it on sourceforge.net
>>
>>
>> What's the point when yahoo.com.au supports POP3/SMTP ?
> Is it free or subscription?

free with yahoo.com.au
subs with yahoo.com

From:	E.
Subject:	Re: Dynamically Changing Outgoing Email Server
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:28:47 +1100

Rod Speed wrote:

> "E." wrote in message
> news:35bl4sF4k12qeU1@individual.net...
>
>>Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>>"E." wrote in message
>>>news:35b56jF4kq79pU1@individual.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Graham Fountain" wrote in message
>>>>>news:srKHd.333$K36.4655@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Gregory Toomey" wrote in message
>>>>>>news:35771vF4ihganU1@individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Graham Fountain wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The main issue is that if you use ISP X, and configure your email client
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>ISP Y, then you will probably get this relaying error.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>yep, that's exactly what the problem is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I can think of some simple solutions, which rely on you getting a new
>>>>>>>email
>>>>>>>address hosted by an INDEPENDENT ISP eg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That was one of the solutions I considered too. I have since found out
>>>>>>though that telstra block port 25 traffic from being routed on their
>>>>>>network unless going via their mail server as a method of reducing spam. as
>>>>>>a result an independent server would need to use a different TCP port.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>1. get a yahoo.com.au email address (free)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>yep- i'm aware of yahoo/hotmail et al. yahoo can't be used via outlook/oe,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes it can with yahoo.com.au
>>>>
>>>>Yahoo email address can be used with OE/Outbreak/Any mail client with
>>>>yahoopops - search for it on sourceforge.net
>>>
>>>
>>>What's the point when yahoo.com.au supports POP3/SMTP ?
>>
>>Is it free or subscription?
>
>
> free with yahoo.com.au
> subs with yahoo.com
Certainly makes life a lot easier.
E.

From:	Gregory Toomey
Subject:	Re: Dynamically Changing Outgoing Email Server
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:03:47 +1000

Graham Fountain wrote:

>
> "Gregory Toomey" wrote in message
> news:35771vF4ihganU1@individual.net...
>> Graham Fountain wrote:
>
>> The main issue is that if you use ISP X, and configure your email client
>> for
>> ISP Y, then you will probably get this relaying error.
> yep, that's exactly what the problem is.
>>
>> I can think of some simple solutions, which rely on you getting a new
>> email
>> address hosted by an INDEPENDENT ISP eg
> That was one of the solutions I considered too. I have since found out
> though that telstra block port 25 traffic from being routed on their
> network unless going via their mail server as a method of reducing spam.
> as a result an independent server would need to use a different TCP port.
>>
>> 1. get a yahoo.com.au email address (free)
> yep- i'm aware of yahoo/hotmail et al. yahoo can't be used via outlook/oe,
> hotmail can be. Neither can be used via the proprietary software I also
> need to use.
>>
>> 2. use a commercial provider like http://pobox.com/
> I looked at their site - it appears to only handle incoming mail, not
> outgoing mail. Incoming mail isn't a problem, I can use POP from any
> network to retrieve my incoming mail.
>>
>> 3. register your own domain (say grahamfountain.com $5/year), then use a
>> cheap hosting service like http://affordablehost.com/cpanel.shtml
>> (US36/year) but just for email. With Cpanel you can control the
>> authentication.
> Again I can't see anything for outgoing mail, only incoming mail. Unless
> it is hidden away somewhere in their website.
>
>> I've used bigpond dialup/dodo dialup/dodo broadband with windows & linux
>> this method & its fine.
> What do you set as your outgoing mail server?
>>
>> gtoomey

Outgoing mail (via a Mail Transfer Agent) is included in all hosting
packages where you host your own domain. You just set up your email client
to point to the domain.

eg I host www.gregorytoomey.com in Dallas Texas and use it for
incoming/outgoing mail MTA, but I use dodo for my local ISP.

You need to know the difference between a mail transfer agent (eg
sendmail/postfix) which generally runs 24hours/day, and mail delivery agent
(eg outlook) which you run on your pc.
My email client points to gregorytoomey.com for incoming and outdoing, not
dodo.

gtoomey