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 | | From: | John Crighton | | Subject: | Unusual Noise from my front wheel drive car. Daihatsu Charade G11 1985 | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:11:51 GMT |
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 | Hello All,
I am looking for some help and suggestions in finding
the source of a small noise that has been bugging me.
The noise was small several months ago but is
gradually getting louder.
This car, a Daihatsu charade 1985 model G11,
5 speed manual gearbox, has been making a small
BRRRRRRRRRRRRR type sound while rounding
a slight left hand bend in the road at say 70 KM/hr.
Applying pressure to the steering wheel to straighten
up or go round a bend to the right, the noise goes away.
While going round a bend to the left and I ease back
on the accelerator, the noise will lesson or disappear.
I have heard CV joints make a slow CLICK CLICK CLICK
sound when making a U turn but in my case there
is no clicking at all.
The BRRRRRRRRRRR (type of sound one makes
while saying it is cold today) sounds to me to be too
fast for wheel bearing noise but I am just a DIY
hobbyist/enthusiast so I could be quite wrong.
This noise has been gradually getting worse for about
several months, the tyres were replaced a few months
ago so I know that the noise is not coming from the
tyres. I got good wear out of the old tyres so that to me
suggests the wheel alignment is OK.
Any suggestions as to what I should check and
look at? Thanking you in advance.
Regards,
John Crighton
Hornsby
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| | From: | Ben Thomas | | Subject: | Re: Unusual Noise from my front wheel drive car. Daihatsu Charade | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:30:07 GMT |
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| John Crighton wrote:
> Hello All,
> I am looking for some help and suggestions in finding
> the source of a small noise that has been bugging me.
> The noise was small several months ago but is
> gradually getting louder.
> This noise has been gradually getting worse for about
> several months, the tyres were replaced a few months
> ago so I know that the noise is not coming from the
> tyres. I got good wear out of the old tyres so that to me
> suggests the wheel alignment is OK.
>
Just to clarify, the noise started before the tyres were change, right?
--
Ben Thomas - Software Engineer - Melbourne, Australia
2001 manual 2.2l Holden Astra SRi - a real pleasure to drive;
Michelin Preceda - $250 each but last a lot longer than $200 tyres;
Alpine Type S speakers and amp, JVC MP3 CD playing head-unit.
Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not
relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither
given nor endorsed by it.
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| | From: | John Crighton | | Subject: | Re: Unusual Noise from my front wheel drive car. Daihatsu Charade G11 1985 | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:04:24 GMT |
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| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:30:07 GMT, Ben Thomas
wrote:
>John Crighton wrote:
>> Hello All,
>> I am looking for some help and suggestions in finding
>> the source of a small noise that has been bugging me.
>> The noise was small several months ago but is
>> gradually getting louder.
>
>> This noise has been gradually getting worse for about
>> several months, the tyres were replaced a few months
>> ago so I know that the noise is not coming from the
>> tyres. I got good wear out of the old tyres so that to me
>> suggests the wheel alignment is OK.
>>
>
>Just to clarify, the noise started before the tyres were change, right?
>
>--
>Ben Thomas - Software Engineer - Melbourne, Australia
Hello Ben,
that is correct.
Regards,
John Crighton
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| | From: | OzOne | | Subject: | Re: Unusual Noise from my front wheel drive car. Daihatsu Charade G11 1985 | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:03:04 +1100 |
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| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:04:24 GMT, john_c@tpg.com.au (John Crighton)
scribbled thusly:
>Hello Ben,
>that is correct.
>Regards,
>John Crighton
Umm have you checked the wheel nuts?
Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
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| | From: | John Crighton | | Subject: | Re: Unusual Noise from my front wheel drive car. Daihatsu Charade G11 1985 | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:17:31 GMT |
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| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:03:04 +1100, OzOne <> wrote:
>
>Umm have you checked the wheel nuts?
>
>
>Oz1...of the 3 twins.
Hello Oz1,
yes, the wheel nuts are tight.
Regards,
John Crighton
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| | From: | OzOne | | Subject: | Re: Unusual Noise from my front wheel drive car. Daihatsu Charade G11 1985 | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:31:30 +1100 |
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| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:17:31 GMT, john_c@tpg.com.au (John Crighton)
scribbled thusly:
>On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:03:04 +1100, OzOne <> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Umm have you checked the wheel nuts?
>>
>>
>>Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>
>Hello Oz1,
>yes, the wheel nuts are tight.
>Regards,
>John Crighton
OK, check the boots on the CV joints. If they're split then it's
probably a CV dying.
Then again, some tyres get a little noisy after a few thousand kms.
What are they?
Might be worth rotating them to see what happens.
Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
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| | From: | John Crighton | | Subject: | Re: Unusual Noise from my front wheel drive car. Daihatsu Charade G11 1985 | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:08:58 GMT |
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| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:31:30 +1100, OzOne <> wrote:
>
>OK, check the boots on the CV joints. If they're split then it's
>probably a CV dying.
>
>Then again, some tyres get a little noisy after a few thousand kms.
>What are they?
>Might be worth rotating them to see what happens.
>
>
>Oz1...of the 3 twins.
Hello Oz1,
The CV joint on its way out seems like a good bet.
Jason had the same drumming noise with his car.
About 3 years ago the passenger side outer boot
was replaced so it looks like I didn't find the split
in the boot quick enough. I thought I did but there
you go.
Regards,
John Crighton
Hornsby
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| | From: | Jason James | | Subject: | Re: Unusual Noise from my front wheel drive car. Daihatsu Charade G11 1985 | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:49:51 +1100 |
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"John Crighton" wrote in message
news:41f0476e.13772137@News.individual.net...
> Hello All,
> I am looking for some help and suggestions in finding
> the source of a small noise that has been bugging me.
> The noise was small several months ago but is
> gradually getting louder.
>
> This car, a Daihatsu charade 1985 model G11,
> 5 speed manual gearbox, has been making a small
> BRRRRRRRRRRRRR type sound while rounding
> a slight left hand bend in the road at say 70 KM/hr.
> Applying pressure to the steering wheel to straighten
> up or go round a bend to the right, the noise goes away.
>
> While going round a bend to the left and I ease back
> on the accelerator, the noise will lesson or disappear.
>
> I have heard CV joints make a slow CLICK CLICK CLICK
> sound when making a U turn but in my case there
> is no clicking at all.
>
> The BRRRRRRRRRRR (type of sound one makes
> while saying it is cold today) sounds to me to be too
> fast for wheel bearing noise but I am just a DIY
> hobbyist/enthusiast so I could be quite wrong.
>
> This noise has been gradually getting worse for about
> several months, the tyres were replaced a few months
> ago so I know that the noise is not coming from the
> tyres. I got good wear out of the old tyres so that to me
> suggests the wheel alignment is OK.
>
> Any suggestions as to what I should check and
> look at? Thanking you in advance.
>
> Regards,
> John Crighton
> Hornsby
When the CVs in my old TN Magna started to go,..the car would make a
'finger-drumming' sound as it went around sweeping curves,..left or right.
CVs on those HOS lasted less than 120,000ks before showing considerable
wear.
Jason
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| | From: | John Crighton | | Subject: | Re: Unusual Noise from my front wheel drive car. Daihatsu Charade G11 1985 | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:47:30 GMT |
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| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:49:51 +1100, "Jason James"
wrote:
>
>"John Crighton" wrote in message
>news:41f0476e.13772137@News.individual.net...
>> Hello All,
>> I am looking for some help and suggestions in finding
>> the source of a small noise that has been bugging me.
>> The noise was small several months ago but is
>> gradually getting louder.
>>
>> This car, a Daihatsu charade 1985 model G11,
>> 5 speed manual gearbox, has been making a small
>> BRRRRRRRRRRRRR type sound while rounding
>> a slight left hand bend in the road at say 70 KM/hr.
>> Applying pressure to the steering wheel to straighten
>> up or go round a bend to the right, the noise goes away.
>>
>> While going round a bend to the left and I ease back
>> on the accelerator, the noise will lesson or disappear.
>>
>> I have heard CV joints make a slow CLICK CLICK CLICK
>> sound when making a U turn but in my case there
>> is no clicking at all.
>>
>> The BRRRRRRRRRRR (type of sound one makes
>> while saying it is cold today) sounds to me to be too
>> fast for wheel bearing noise but I am just a DIY
>> hobbyist/enthusiast so I could be quite wrong.
>>
>> This noise has been gradually getting worse for about
>> several months, the tyres were replaced a few months
>> ago so I know that the noise is not coming from the
>> tyres. I got good wear out of the old tyres so that to me
>> suggests the wheel alignment is OK.
>>
>> Any suggestions as to what I should check and
>> look at? Thanking you in advance.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Crighton
>> Hornsby
>
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>When the CVs in my old TN Magna started to go,..the car would make a
>'finger-drumming' sound as it went around sweeping curves,..left or right.
>CVs on those HOS lasted less than 120,000ks before showing considerable
>wear.
>
>Jason
>
>
Hello Jason,
yes, the "finger drumming" sound is a much better description.
That is exactly what the sound is like!
I was assuming the slow Click Click Click noise while making
hard left or hard right turns was the first sign of wear on a CV
joint. There is 292,000 Ks on the odomter, second engine but
original CV joints, so looks they have lasted quite well.
Thanks for that Jason.
Regards,
John Crighton
Hornsby
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| | From: | adam_c | | Subject: | Re: Unusual Noise from my front wheel drive car. Daihatsu Charade G11 1985 | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:01:20 +1100 |
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| I would have gone for wheel bearings as an early diagnosis.
Check your CV's by going to a big carpark, throw it in reverse, put the
steering on full lock, and reverse the car. You should hear the clicking
noise then. Do it in each direction.
Adam
"John Crighton" wrote in message
news:41f0747a.25305260@News.individual.net...
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:49:51 +1100, "Jason James"
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"John Crighton" wrote in message
> >news:41f0476e.13772137@News.individual.net...
> >> Hello All,
> >> I am looking for some help and suggestions in finding
> >> the source of a small noise that has been bugging me.
> >> The noise was small several months ago but is
> >> gradually getting louder.
> >>
> >> This car, a Daihatsu charade 1985 model G11,
> >> 5 speed manual gearbox, has been making a small
> >> BRRRRRRRRRRRRR type sound while rounding
> >> a slight left hand bend in the road at say 70 KM/hr.
> >> Applying pressure to the steering wheel to straighten
> >> up or go round a bend to the right, the noise goes away.
> >>
> >> While going round a bend to the left and I ease back
> >> on the accelerator, the noise will lesson or disappear.
> >>
> >> I have heard CV joints make a slow CLICK CLICK CLICK
> >> sound when making a U turn but in my case there
> >> is no clicking at all.
> >>
> >> The BRRRRRRRRRRR (type of sound one makes
> >> while saying it is cold today) sounds to me to be too
> >> fast for wheel bearing noise but I am just a DIY
> >> hobbyist/enthusiast so I could be quite wrong.
> >>
> >> This noise has been gradually getting worse for about
> >> several months, the tyres were replaced a few months
> >> ago so I know that the noise is not coming from the
> >> tyres. I got good wear out of the old tyres so that to me
> >> suggests the wheel alignment is OK.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions as to what I should check and
> >> look at? Thanking you in advance.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> John Crighton
> >> Hornsby
> >
> >
> >When the CVs in my old TN Magna started to go,..the car would make a
> >'finger-drumming' sound as it went around sweeping curves,..left or
right.
> >CVs on those HOS lasted less than 120,000ks before showing considerable
> >wear.
> >
> >Jason
> >
> >
>
> Hello Jason,
> yes, the "finger drumming" sound is a much better description.
> That is exactly what the sound is like!
> I was assuming the slow Click Click Click noise while making
> hard left or hard right turns was the first sign of wear on a CV
> joint. There is 292,000 Ks on the odomter, second engine but
> original CV joints, so looks they have lasted quite well.
> Thanks for that Jason.
> Regards,
> John Crighton
> Hornsby
>
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| | From: | John Crighton | | Subject: | Re: Unusual Noise from my front wheel drive car. Daihatsu Charade G11 1985 | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:14:06 GMT |
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| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:01:20 +1100, "adam_c"
wrote:
>I would have gone for wheel bearings as an early diagnosis.
>
>Check your CV's by going to a big carpark, throw it in reverse, put the
>steering on full lock, and reverse the car. You should hear the clicking
>noise then. Do it in each direction.
>
>Adam
>
Hello Adam,
I will do that right now. I have to go on an errand.
Thanks for that tip.
Regards,
John Crighton
Hornsby
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| | From: | sheik yerbouti | | Subject: | Re: Unusual Noise from my front wheel drive car. Daihatsu Charade G11 1985 | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:43:58 +1100 |
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| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:01:20 +1100, "adam_c"
wrote:
>I would have gone for wheel bearings as an early diagnosis.
>
>Check your CV's by going to a big carpark, throw it in reverse, put the
>steering on full lock, and reverse the car. You should hear the clicking
>noise then. Do it in each direction.
>
wheel bearings tend to graunch more don't they?
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| | From: | Jason James | | Subject: | Re: Unusual Noise from my front wheel drive car. Daihatsu Charade G11 1985 | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 05:57:41 +1100 |
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"sheik yerbouti" wrote in message
news:c7u1v0pvtshds4b9er74p1kb674t7l3voo@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:01:20 +1100, "adam_c"
> wrote:
>
> >I would have gone for wheel bearings as an early diagnosis.
> >
> >Check your CV's by going to a big carpark, throw it in reverse, put the
> >steering on full lock, and reverse the car. You should hear the clicking
> >noise then. Do it in each direction.
> >
> wheel bearings tend to graunch more don't they?
Wheel bearings that have broken thru the case-hardening in their
ball-tracks, make a continuos low growling sound which changes in level as
the road-wheels go over long undulations in the road. CVs have 5 balls which
move a short distance back and forth in their tracks on turning. When worn,
they give an interrupted sound ewhich varies in speed depending on the speed
of the car. When they are getting real bad they start to click as the balls
are jolted forward and back in their now very worn tracks. You can on some
cars, actually observe the road wheel jerking on slow turns (if you put your
cruit out the window to take a look)
Jason
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